Re: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-20 Thread tamara stickler
Not to worry about the boy named Sadie.  I went to school with a guy named 
Sadee,...he was a Russian/Italian guy..and it was a family name!


   
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  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:11 PM
  Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
  
On that note, I was told many times by the initial rescuer of these kittens 
that they are all females.  The vet clinic that did their fvrcps, wormings, 
etc., marked them as all females.  I thought all got spayed yesterday.  But 
since I have had them, I kept calling the black one him and he and bud 
and lil guy and had to correct myself a lot.  Well, apparently not b/c I was 
right.  I am one of those people who just gets a sense of sex with cats- even 
teeny kittens- right away and I am usually never wrong.  So that is why this 
bothered me so much that I was told they were all girls b/c I just didn't get 
that from the black one.  But I went ahead and named them b/c I thought, well 
the 1st vet clinic said they were all girls  But when I went to check the 
black one's sutures tonight, the belly wasn't shaved and I was like what the 
H?  Low and behold, we have teeny little balls that were removed!  I was so 
happy-- mostly just to know that I was right GD it!  But I
 wish I hadn't named them.  I had named them: Ladee (sounds like Lady)- grey 
 white; Babee baby- all grey; and Sadee Sadie- my black one!  The double 
ee's are in honor of Monkee of course.  I thought those were about the cutest 
names ever and Sadee was my favorite.  I thought they would be fun to market 
with those names!  Oh well, back to the drawing board.  




   
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Re: OT: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-20 Thread Beth Noren
My crew of born-in-a-brush-pile kitties acted like that at first.  They were
7-8 weeks old when we brought them into our house.  We had them quarantined
in our bedroom, got a positve FELV test, and kept them in there until we
could run a confirming test 3 months later, and get our adult kitty
vaccinated and boostered.  So they were locked in with us a lng time.
They hid under the bed for the first couple of weeks, then finally began
playing with wand toys.  It was a big deal the first time they chased the
toy up onto my lap.  Even after they came out of quarantine, we shook a
treat bag to get them to get them to come back for bedtime.  Now they are
total mushballs, even Miss Moxie, who was the hissiest, spittinist one of
the bunch.  If it's possible, I think confinement in your bedroom is
perfect, because your in there for long stretches of time every day and your
pretty non-threatening while your sleeping.  Well, it's perfect for the
kittens, anyway.  Once they warm up to you and decide
1-4 AM is play time, it gets a little rough...

Good luck,
Beth



On Dec 19, 2007 3:59 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat.  We are
 estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost
 3 lbs).  They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this
 man's farm and had her kittens in the barn.  I don't know too many details,
 but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so
 they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter.  They were not taken into
 the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught
 and brought to me.  So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to
 get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can
 be socialized enough to be adopted out.  If not, they will have to
 re-released to the barn.  She doesn't have the time/resources to take on
 this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest
 kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens-
 that's my forte!  And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen
 in a loong time (aw the irony).  (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I
 have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted!
 The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and
 he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is growing on
 me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling underweight
 darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone through
 a whole thing of Nutrical!  He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho they
 are the same age, but there's been improvement.  He isn't show-ready yet so
 I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.).

 Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens!  Other than
 just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss.  They're
 not really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if
 you didn't touch them.  They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick
 them up by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball
 and they just kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and
 don't engage.  So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling
 little docile things you can just hold forever, but it's not so.  I know if
 you put them on the ground, they would be off and under something and you'd
 never find them again.  It's like they go into survival mode when you hold
 them, so people think they are fun to hold, but really, these little things
 are dying on the inside while you are doing it!  They never purr when I
 scratch them or handle them.  They will hiss sometimes when they first see
 me or I reach for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore
 it.  Of course, they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave
 them, but we are making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with
 feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing.


 *Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting
 them to engage with people- and even like them?  *I hold them together as
 a group all wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by
 them all having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored
 only one of them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and
 easier to hold than the other two.  It's actually really sad to see the
 effect that that favoritism had on these babies!  *I just want to be doing
 all that I can b/c if they can't be socialized, they will have to be
 released and I will feel like it's partly my fault-- I feel like I can't
 fail here.   *It would be especially sad b/c these little things are cute
 cute!  They have those big round apple heads and pudgy faces and huge
 round eyes and they have medium fur that is 

New to the list

2007-12-20 Thread emilyumc
Hi there



My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson 
(status yet unknown).




I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on 
prednesone and doxycline... 




He's not eating and he's quite thin.




The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i 
bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have 
them tested? 




I'm so sad. 




Any help would be greatly appreciated... 




THank you thank you thank you... 








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RE: New to the list

2007-12-20 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Get Nutrical- either from your vet, or a lot of pet stores have it- just ask 
them for it.  It's a high calorie supplement for cats.  You need to be giving 
this to him.  If he likes it enough, he may just lick it off your fingers.  
Most cats do like the taste of it.  But to get the maximum amount into him, mix 
it into wet food really good.  Also, start feeding him kitten wet food- 
Wellness brand kitten is really really good.  Kitten food is richer, so it 
may stimulate his appetite more and he'll be very happy getting it!  Most 
important, kitten food is high calorie, whereas adult cat food is not.  He 
needs all the calories he can get right now.  
 
For a cat that is struggling weight-wise, the recommended amount of Nutrical is 
a tablespoon a day.  If you can get just 1 tablespoon in him by mixing into wet 
food and/or by him licking it directly off your fingers, that alone (even 
without him eating food) with stave off fatty liver disease- which can be 
fatal and is the most dangerous thing you face with a cat not 
eating/undernourished.
 
I have a non-felv undernourished 6 mth old kitten (looks 3-4 mths though) that 
I am nursing back to health- he gets a whole tablespoon of Nutrical added to 
1/2 a small can of Wellness kitten food at night.  He's improved markedly- the 
nutrical helps a lot.   
 
Others can address your other questions.  Best thing to do is scan the archives 
for subject lines and read those threads.  All you questions have been 
addressed in previous posts and you will find these helpful.
 
Caroline 


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Hi Emily,
 
Your only option is NOT to put him to sleep.  
 
As far as the thinness goes, you can learn to syringe feed him.  Sometimes they 
pull through episodes of illness and sometimes not.
 
I would have the brothers tested - but if they're going to be infected they 
likely already have been, since they have been together so long.  Some people 
on this list mix + and -, and some don't.  After testing, if they are negative, 
I'd definitely get them vaccinated against FELV, though.  Have they ever been 
vaccinated against it before? 
There are lots of people here who know more about FELV than I do.  I just 
wanted you to know someone's out here listening, someone cares, and you aren't 
alone.
 
This is a great list, welcome.
On Dec 20, 2007 10:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi there 

My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson 
(status yet unknown).

I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on 
prednesone and doxycline... 

He's not eating and he's quite thin.

The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i 
bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have 
them tested? 

I'm so sad. 

Any help would be greatly appreciated... 

THank you thank you thank you... 




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RE: New to the list

2007-12-20 Thread Christiane Biagi
Folks on this list much more knowledgable than me will help.  But, how old are 
they?  Have they always been together?  What does the vet say is wrong with 
Moses?  FELV itself is not what is making him sick—what he likely has is any 
one a number  of conditions that FELV cats are more prone to.  As for eating, 
get anything you can into him—baby food (without onion!), tuna water from  can; 
cold cuts; treats; ANYTHING you can.  Try and make it a bit liquidy so he gets 
fluids as well.   

 

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Hi there 

 

My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson 
(status yet unknown).

 

I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on 
prednesone and doxycline... 

 

He's not eating and he's quite thin.

 

The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i 
bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have 
them tested? 

 

I'm so sad. 

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated... 

 

THank you thank you thank you... 

 

 

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RE: New to the list

2007-12-20 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Hi, Emily --
 
I'm sorry Moses is so sick.  As you can see, you're already getting lots
of good ideas on how to treat him.  One important thing is, is your vet
is willing to work with you to help Moses get better?  I hope the fact
that he's given you drugs for him is a good sign in that regard.  The
question is, did the vet suggest putting him to sleep based on his
actual condition (i.e. does Moses seem to have lymphoma, severe anemia,
etc.) or just on the widely held but erroneous opinion that FeLV is an
automatic death sentence?  You should ask your vet if he's willing to
help you on this -- if he's not, maybe you should go vet-shopping.
Unfortunately, once kitties are in crisis, it can be hard to save them,
but if it's a case of them being undernourished or generally sickly
rather than being in the grip of some actual ugly disease, often good
care and good food can bring them out of it.  
 
You've come to a good place for help.  Sending vibes that Moses gains
weight and feels better!
 
Diane R.



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Hi there 

My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and
Samson (status yet unknown).

I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him
on prednesone and doxycline... 

He's not eating and he's quite thin.

The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also -
if i bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them?
Should i have them tested? 

I'm so sad. 

Any help would be greatly appreciated... 

THank you thank you thank you... 




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Re: New to the list~ feline assisted feeding info

2007-12-20 Thread laurieskatz
Join the yahoo group  feline assisted feeding. GREAT INFO there re importance 
of eating and helping them eat. 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
Important to get nutrition in him immediately.
Start with AD which is easily syringed and high calories.
I would keep him separate from your other kitties for now...
(( hug))
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  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:27 AM
  Subject: Re: New to the list


  Hi Emily,

  Your only option is NOT to put him to sleep.  

  As far as the thinness goes, you can learn to syringe feed him.  Sometimes 
they pull through episodes of illness and sometimes not.

  I would have the brothers tested - but if they're going to be infected they 
likely already have been, since they have been together so long.  Some people 
on this list mix + and -, and some don't.  After testing, if they are negative, 
I'd definitely get them vaccinated against FELV, though.  Have they ever been 
vaccinated against it before? 

  There are lots of people here who know more about FELV than I do.  I just 
wanted you to know someone's out here listening, someone cares, and you aren't 
alone.

  This is a great list, welcome.


  On Dec 20, 2007 10:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi there 


My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson 
(status yet unknown).


I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on 
prednesone and doxycline... 


He's not eating and he's quite thin.


The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if 
i bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have 
them tested? 


I'm so sad. 


Any help would be greatly appreciated... 


THank you thank you thank you... 






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Re: New to the list

2007-12-20 Thread laurieskatz
Me again. Getting to an internal medicine specialist saved Isabella's life. 
Wonder if you have one nearby?
Diane asks good questions and makes a good observation re the meds.
Laurie
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  From: Rosenfeldt, Diane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:22 AM
  Subject: RE: New to the list


  Hi, Emily --

  I'm sorry Moses is so sick.  As you can see, you're already getting lots of 
good ideas on how to treat him.  One important thing is, is your vet is willing 
to work with you to help Moses get better?  I hope the fact that he's given you 
drugs for him is a good sign in that regard.  The question is, did the vet 
suggest putting him to sleep based on his actual condition (i.e. does Moses 
seem to have lymphoma, severe anemia, etc.) or just on the widely held but 
erroneous opinion that FeLV is an automatic death sentence?  You should ask 
your vet if he's willing to help you on this -- if he's not, maybe you should 
go vet-shopping.  Unfortunately, once kitties are in crisis, it can be hard to 
save them, but if it's a case of them being undernourished or generally sickly 
rather than being in the grip of some actual ugly disease, often good care and 
good food can bring them out of it.  

  You've come to a good place for help.  Sending vibes that Moses gains weight 
and feels better!

  Diane R.



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  Hi there 


  My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson 
(status yet unknown).


  I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on 
prednesone and doxycline... 


  He's not eating and he's quite thin.


  The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i 
bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have 
them tested? 


  I'm so sad. 


  Any help would be greatly appreciated... 


  THank you thank you thank you... 





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RE: New to the list

2007-12-20 Thread Chris Behnke
One of my babies, Monty, was diagnosed at 9 months old.  He was incredibly ill 
and the vet didn’t think he would make it and wanted me to put him to sleep as 
well.  I wasn’t ready to give up, so I went to another vet.  3 years 3 months 
later, Monty is still with me and have never been sick since his initial 
diagnosis.   He lives in the same house as his brother (Felv negative), his 
mother (negative), his grandmother (negative), 2 aunts (both negative), 2 
uncles (both negative) and 4 other unrelated cats who are all negative.  We did 
lose one of his aunts and his dad who were both positive.  They all share the 
same space and have for over 4 years.  

 

Chris

 

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Hi there 

 

My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson 
(status yet unknown).

 

I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on 
prednesone and doxycline... 

 

He's not eating and he's quite thin.

 

The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i 
bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have 
them tested? 

 

I'm so sad. 

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated... 

 

THank you thank you thank you... 

 

 

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Kai Please add to the CLS

2007-12-20 Thread Sherry DeHaan
We lost this little Siamese guy on the 15th.Kai and his sister Sataya was left 
in a pee soaked carrier outside of the clinic where jen works a while back.She 
was adopted by one of our volunteers a couple months ago.Kai lost his battle 
with felv.
  Also could you add Junior and Iris to your prayers,they are at the clinic and 
are pretty sick also.Thank you all so much
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Re: Kai Please add to the CLS

2007-12-20 Thread Sally Davis
Sherry

I am so sorry. My prayers are coming your way.

Sallu

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 We lost this little Siamese guy on the 15th.Kai and his sister Sataya was
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 back.She was adopted by one of our volunteers a couple months ago.Kai lost
 his battle with felv.
 Also could you add Junior and Iris to your prayers,they are at the clinic
 and are pretty sick also.Thank you all so much
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