Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

2008-07-19 Thread Laura B
Sharyl,   Thank you for helping these cats, I went through a very similiar situation with a colony around the corner from me (where my Laura came from).  It was about 50 cats and kittens, that had been inbreeding for 10+ years before the man who was feeding them (he couldn't afford vet care)

[Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread Sharyl
Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat.  Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter).  Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm   You vet should have several

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
thank you! Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels.

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
My cat will eat this new kd the best (it is a wetter creamier formula). The problem is that they cannot keep it in stock. Hill's keeps selling out of it! The vet's office and I are both furious with them. My cats won't eat any of the other vet. formulas they have (canned). They'll eat

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a

[Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread Sharyl
Tonya, you just do what you can do.  For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration.  Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake.  Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink.  Mine

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Sharyl
Tonya, I don't belong to this group.  It is listed in the Links on the Assist Feeding Group.  Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome) http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211   Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets.  Most vets carry them.  Pets Mart may as

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, you

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
And thank you for the prayers. I just wish I were retired as well! lol. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
thanks. i had him going on the pill pockets until i added the amoxy and the baby aspirin. it was just too much and he started hiding from me. :( t thank you for the link. I went through this with another cat about 4 years ago (hyper-t) but she didn't hide from me. t

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
lol. i was still a member, just set to no mail. doh! Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, I don't belong to this group. It is listed in the Links on the Assist Feeding Group. Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome)

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread Sharyl
Tonya, with a Crea level of 2.5 most kitties can drink enough to maintain adequate hydration so I wouldn't stress out about giving him fluids.  Just add a little water to his canned food and put lots of bowls/glasses of water around for him to drink from.   I give fluids solo also.  Pequita

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

2008-07-19 Thread MaryChristine
it IS you, i thought it was my imagination! this is my FRIEND!!! oh, joy, oh, happiness, oh, never mind, you guys will NEVER understand! MC On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharyl, since I am new to this site...I can offer little in the way

[Felvtalk] slight positives v very very very positives?

2008-07-19 Thread MaryChristine
there's no such thing as very very very, or very very or very positive, or faint positive: there is positive, or there is negative. give me a couple of days and i will even be able to give you the reference from a far more reputable source than myself, because i just found it for sure the other

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

2008-07-19 Thread MaryChristine
just wondering if you are working with alley cat allies, and following their protocol re: testing and releasing/treating FeLV cats? my understanding is that they do not endorse euthanizing positive, asymptomatic cats, so testing daisy would only give you some health information. i believe they

Re: [Felvtalk] slight positives v very very very positives?

2008-07-19 Thread TatorBunz
I totally agree with you on this MC It's either positive or negative! In a message dated 7/19/2008 11:54:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: there's no such thing as very very very, or very very or very positive, or faint positive: there is positive, or there is

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread gary
I've never had a problem with any cat by crushing amoxi tablets in food. Had one cat on tapazole crushed in food with no problem. I doubt it would work with the aspirin, pretty bitter stuff. Gary - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent:

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread catatonya
He won't come to me to eat canned food anymore. :( t gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never had a problem with any cat by crushing amoxi tablets in food. Had one cat on tapazole crushed in food with no problem. I doubt it would work with the aspirin, pretty bitter stuff.

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread MaryChristine
i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to clip a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Debbie Harrison
Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen...Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread MaryChristine
okay, everyone, in harmony now, GET A NEW VET! it's a major problem now that cats are living long enough for it to manifest! if you like the vet, keep him for vaccinations and things, but if he doesn't know about this yet, he's not whom you need for your dear. as ever, objectively yours, MC

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

2008-07-19 Thread Debbie Harrison
LOL, MCyou NOE I lubs yu!Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:38:09 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies it IS you, i thought it was my imagination!this is my FRIEND!!! oh, joy, oh,

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread gary
What is he eating? Gary - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem He won't come to me to eat canned food anymore. :( t gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Marylyn
If you can crate him and cover his crate with a sheet sprayed with Feliway it might helpmaybe put Rescue Rememdy in his water. On Jul 19, 2008, at 10:26 AM, catatonya wrote: My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread Sharyl
MC, I think you mean Tanya's web site where they use clothes pins.  Here is the link. http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick Usually folks just have to use the clothes pins for the 1st few times.   Here is another link for giving Sub Q fluids that was my bible when I

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Sharyl
Debbie, if your vet doesn't think cats get hyperthyroidism then you desperately need to find a new vet.  Here is a link to more info. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/thyroid.html Most folks start out treating with meds to see how the cats responds.  Some will be candidates for radiotherapy.  Be

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Pat Kachur
I completely agreeI have had three cats over the years who had this disease. And many people I know have also had cats who suffered from it. Can't imagine a vet not knowing. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19,

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Sharyl
If he has had the run of the house crating him may feel like punishment to him.   I give mine safe places.  When they are in their safe place I don't mess with them.  I also make a point of picking them up for some love every time we cross paths.  I don't want them to think the only time I pick

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread MaryChristine
that's the one! thanks i had seen that quite awhile ago, and then forgotten about it, because i don't have any cats who fight me for fluids--but i got a huge kick out of their being a scientific research paper done on it, talking about which nerves were involved, whether the cat really seemed

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
LOL, MC! But absolutely correctamundo. At one point we had two hyper-t cats, and they took the same pills (tapezole/methimazole) in different dosages. We used to keep whole, half and quarter pills pre-cut in 3 separate pill bottles. Pill splitting day was like an exercise in higher math... I

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

2008-07-19 Thread Sharyl
Thanks MC for explaining the ELISHA test.  I had Mattie tested when her Mom. Daisy, was spayed.  A lady here on the Eastern Shore drives up to MD once a month to a vet who does low cost spaying for rescues.   She doesn't know anything about FeLV and just relayed the vets comments.    Sissy and

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Debbie Harrison
Thanks for the linkI printed it out and will mail it to the vet.Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:10:28 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem Debbie, if your vet doesn't think cats get hyperthyroidism

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Lynne
Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine __ NOD32 3282 (20080719) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods

2008-07-19 Thread Belinda Sauro
Yes I did that with Fred he would turn around and bite me, so we did the clothes pins. He didn't get all mellow and happy BUT he couldn't reach me to bite me so after using the clothes pins for a week or so he just gave up and decided to give in. Now I just go pick him up and carry him

Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-19 Thread Belinda Sauro
We discovered Freds early CRF when we were checking him for hyper-t, barely hyper-t also, we were watching him for that because he had a very tiny bump there, but his thyroid test was normal, including the TFree4. Once my vet felt like it had gotten a bit bigger we tested again and he was