Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-27 Thread mdurante
Hi, 

We've had several FIV cats and they've all lived well into their teens. We 
didn't even start to see any health problems until they were older. One of our 
FIV cats is about 15 and she has only ever been to the vet for routine things. 
The one thing I would suggest is that you feed a really good quality diet and 
also that you get regular teeth cleanings. FIV cats tend to have teeth 
problems. 


Michele

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 We have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks 
 old. 
 He came back possitive FIV. He was tested again when he was about 9 or 10 
 months old and sad to say, he was still possitive. So I guess he does have 
 FIV. 
 Not sure what to do now. Thanks, Robin P. 
  gary wrote: 
  OK, here we go. 
  
  The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a 
 negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be 
 adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who test 
 positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of age. 
  
  For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affected by the age of the 
 kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) however, it can 
 take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable level after 
 exposure. Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks. The vet is 
 just trying to avoid a false negative. 
  
  Unfortunately, there has not been enough study done to know just how much 
 exposure and for what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat. An 
 article in Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally from 
 mother to offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common. 
 http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml 
  
  They don't reference any data for that. Sort of leaves you in a tough place 
 if you have a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already 
 have 
 it, or do you snatch them away as soon as they are born so they don't get it 
 from milk or grooming? 
  
  Hope that helps. 
  
  Gary 
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens 
  
  
  i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong: 
  
  there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, 
 because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will 
 show 
 their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then. 
  
  is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, 
 which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above 
 then say 3 months is the best age? 
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

2008-07-27 Thread catatonya
I was afraid it sounded like anemia.  Did she test him for hemobart?  Did she 
say it was truly nonregenerative??
  tonya

Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a 
steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would 
only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. 
Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much 
against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month 
or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats 
take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions...
Thanks,
Sue

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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

2008-07-27 Thread catatonya
Any cat can be anemic.  It's just much more serious for felv cats because it is 
often nonregenerative.  In my opinion IF I could afford it, and IF your cat 
handles the stress of the vet ok, I would get the transfusion and see a 
specialist.  Buy some time, in other words.
  tonya

Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Please forgive my ignorance, but I thought it was just something that happens 
with FeLV+ kitties. Isn't the FeLV the reason?
Sue

 Belinda Sauro wrote: 

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Did she bother to find out why his HCT was 8

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-27 Thread catatonya
I don't know why.  I think most people just wait on both tests (at shelters) 
until the kittens are old enough to combo test.  I think you could give the 
leukemia test at any age.  Honestly, if I were taking in a new cat I would not 
even test it as a requisite to taking it in at this point.
  t

MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong:

there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, because 
both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show their 
MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then.

is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, 
which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above 
then say 3 months is the best age? 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-27 Thread MaryChristine
there are MANY MANY things about FIV that make it better than having
FeLV--join the yahoogroup FIVCats2 for accurate info.

MC

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:20 AM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Robin,

 Time now for a Western Blot test, that is the confirmation test for FIV.
  If
 you want to discuss FIV and what to so with this kitty, contact, me off
 list
 and we can talk about it.  There are some things about it that make it
 better than the kitty having FeLV.

 Gary

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  We have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks
  old.  He came back possitive FIV.  He was tested again when he was about
 9
  or 10 months old and sad to say, he was still possitive.  So I guess he
  does have FIV.   Not sure what to do now.  Thanks,  Robin P.
   gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  OK, here we go.
 
  The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a
  negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can
  be adopted without the chance of FIV.  We all know that MOST kittens who
  test positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months
  of age.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-27 Thread MaryChristine
still seems like it doesn't make sense--i know better than most that it
takes an adult cat 90 to 120 days to develop antigens after exposure, so why
then do so many articles say that you can test kittens at any age? why not
just SAY that a test result isn't valid in kittens before then? seems to me
that this is another one of those, we really don't know, so each of us will
make it up as we go along, situations. I WANT ONE ANSWER, darn it! i don't
care what it is, i just want one that everyone can agree upon, is that
really too much to ask? (yeah, that was a rhetorical question.)

and unfortunately, not enough vets seem to know that FIV kittens will show
their mom's antibodies, and, subsequently, fewer shelters and rescues do.

in EITHER case, a single test should never be taken as definitive--and all
the major vet schools, and professional associations and literature have
said so for years. hasn't made a whole lot of difference.

thanks for the link to the shelter med article, tho, as it confirms some of
what i'd been seeing the journals, that transplacental transmission was no
longer being considered the main vector.
hopefully, i'll be able to find those links again. (i have everything
saved--it's just finding it again that can be problematical... )

MC

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:54 AM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  OK, here we go.

 The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a
 negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be
 adopted without the chance of FIV.  We all know that MOST kittens who test
 positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months  of age.

 For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affected by the age of the
 kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) however, it
 can take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable level after
 exposure.  Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks.  The vet
 is just trying to avoid a false negative.

 Unfortunately, there has not been enough study done to know just how much
 exposure and for what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat.
 An article in Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally
 from mother to offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more
 common.  http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml

 They don't reference any data for that.  Sort of leaves you in a tough
 place if you have a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the
 kittens already have it, or do you snatch them away as soon as they are born
 so they don't get it from milk or grooming?

 Hope that helps.

 Gary

 - Original Message -
  *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

 i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong:

 there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age,
 because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will
 show their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond)
 then.

 is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV,
 which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned
 above then say 3 months is the best age?




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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-27 Thread catatonya
I would just keep doing whatever you're doing.  Having fiv is one of the 'best' 
things to have if you have to have a health problem and you're a cat.
  t

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks 
old. He came back possitive FIV. He was tested again when he was about 9 or 10 
months old and sad to say, he was still possitive. So I guess he does have FIV. 
Not sure what to do now. Thanks, Robin P.
 gary wrote: 
 OK, here we go.
 
 The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to obtain a 
 negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and can be 
 adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who test 
 positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of age.
 
 For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affected by the age of the 
 kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) however, it can 
 take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable level after 
 exposure. Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks. The vet is 
 just trying to avoid a false negative.
 
 Unfortunately, there has not been enough study done to know just how much 
 exposure and for what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat. An 
 article in Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally from 
 mother to offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common. 
 http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml
 
 They don't reference any data for that. Sort of leaves you in a tough place 
 if you have a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already 
 have it, or do you snatch them away as soon as they are born so they don't 
 get it from milk or grooming? 
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Gary 
 - Original Message - 
 From: MaryChristine 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
 
 
 i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong:
 
 there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age, 
 because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will 
 show their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) 
 then.
 
 is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for FeLV, 
 which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned above 
 then say 3 months is the best age? 
 
 
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

2008-07-27 Thread wendy
Sue,
I don't want to scare you, but 8 is dangerously low, and the member who stated 
if you don't do something very soon, Buzzy will die, is correct.  The labored 
breathing is due to the lack of oxygen in the the blood from the anemia, and 
could be causing the heart murmur as well.  My kitty died from anemia and it 
was a tough road.  Had I to do it differently, I would have had him put on 
doxycycline right away, because of the high rate of incorrect hemobart test 
results (hemobart is common in FeLV+ cats).  The steroid shot will help him 
feel better temporarily, but it's not because the anemia is reversing.  So the 
source of the anemia needs to be treated.  The transfusion will help also, but 
is only temporary, making kitty seem to come back to life for around 8-14 
days or so.  It might buy kitty time for other treatments to kick in, but the 
type of anemia is important in determining whether or not treatments will even 
work.  Epogen can be great
 in some cases, but sometimes with Epogen/Procrit, cats develop an allergy to 
it, and can reject it eventually, so Epogen is often a last resort.  It's a 
Catch-22 with Epogen, because often it takes a while to kick in, but sometimes 
it's not known whether to use it or not as opposed to other treatments, due to 
the rejection rates, until it's too late.  Even so, I would do the doxy and 
steriods for sure.  Make sure you take some pictures of Buzzy if you are able 
to, in case the anemia cannot be reversed, and spoil him rotten.  I hate to 
sound like a Debbie-downer, but anemia is serious, and over the 
last two+ years, I have seen several cats here claimed by it.  Never lose hope 
though.  It will help you and Buzzy through this, no matter what the outcome.  
Please keep us posted.  
Prayers going out for Buzzy and you and your husband,
Wendy
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- Original Message 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:45:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic

      Bailey was on the other name for the procrit, it is epogen.  
Bailey bacame anemic and we did a bone marrow aspirate and tested for 
hemobartonella.  I had him on doxy even though he tested negative.  He 
had precancerous cells in his marrow and the oncologist my vet consulted 
with, he was her mentor in vet school, said to put him on epogen and a 
fairly high dose of prednisolone, where I live it is a bit cheaper than 
procrit.  His HCT went down before it went up, we started the epogen 
when it was 18%, it went to 15%, then started going up.  When he passed 
from undiagnosed pancreatic cancer, his HCT was still normal at 32% or 33%.

It is normally dosed at 3 times a week to start, with the cat being 
carefully monitored to make sure it doesn't go up too quickly.  It took 
6 weeks for Bailey's HCT to go from 15% to 40%, once it got to 40% we 
spread the dose to once a week, that kept it at 32% to 34% which is 
normal.  It is fairly common for the HCT to go down and can take up to 3 
weeks, with some cats even longer, before it goes up.

We did every test we could think of to find the cancer we suspected, my 
vet didn't feel comfortable treating for cancer without knowing what 
kind or where.  We never found it, it was upon his death we found out 
what and where.

If you don't do something quickly Buzzy will die, if he is having 
breathing problems he is in extreme danger.  I lost my Frankie to this 
when he started breathing funny I took him to the vet, his HCT was 6%, 
my then vet didn't express to me how dangerous this or how close to 
death he was, so I took him home to decide whether or not to do the 
transfusion, he died that night.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-27 Thread Debbie Harrison

Michele (and others)...not being sarcastic...I really need to know!!
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:23:16 
+Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
Hi, 
 
We've had several FIV cats and they've all lived well into their teens. We 
didn't even start to see any health problems until they were older. One of our 
FIV cats is about 15 and she has only ever been to the vet for routine things. 
The one thing I would suggest is that you feed a really good quality diet and 
also that you get regular teeth cleanings. FIV cats tend to have teeth 
problems. 
 
Michele
 
-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  We 
have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old.  
He came back possitive FIV. He was tested again when he was about 9 or 10  
months old and sad to say, he was still possitive. So I guess he does have FIV. 
 Not sure what to do now. Thanks, Robin P.   gary wrote:   OK, here we 
go. The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to 
obtain a  negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and 
can be  adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who 
test  positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of 
age. For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affect ed by the 
age of the  kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) 
however, it can  take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable 
level after  exposure. Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks. 
The vet is  just trying to avoid a false negative. Unfortunately, 
there has not been enough study done to know just how much  exposure and for 
what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat. An  article in 
Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally from  mother to 
offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common.  
http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml They don't 
reference any data for that. Sort of leaves you in a tough place  if you have 
a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already have  it, or do 
you snatch them away as soon as they ar e born so they don't get it  from milk 
or grooming? Hope that helps. Gary   - Original Message 
-   From: MaryChristine   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   Sent: 
Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval 
for kittens   i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong:
 there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age,  
because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show 
 their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then. 
is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for 
FeLV,  which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned 
above  then say 3 months is the best age?   ;
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-27 Thread Debbie Harrison

well...that went poorly...I was asking what constitutes a good diet for cats 
these days...please.Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted!

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Michele (and others)...not being sarcastic...I really need to know!! 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:23:16 
+Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
Hi, 
 
We've had several FIV cats and they've all lived well into their teens. We 
didn't even start to see any health problems until they were older. One of our 
FIV cats is about 15 and she has only ever been to the vet for routine things. 
The one thing I would suggest is that you feed a really good quality diet and 
also that you get regular teeth cleanings. FIV cats tend to have teeth 
problems. 
 
Michele
 
-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  We 
have had a kitten since last summer when he was about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old.  
He came back possitive FIV. He was tested again when he was about 9 or 10  
months old and sad to say, he was still possitive. So I guess he does have FIV. 
 Not sure what to do now. Thanks, Robin P.   gary wrote:   OK, here we 
go. The only reason to test a kitten for FIV before 6 months is to 
obtain a  negative test and know for certain the kitten does NOT have FIV and 
can be  adopted without the chance of FIV. We all know that MOST kittens who 
test  positive for FIV will test negative when retested around 6 months of 
age. For FeLV, the accuracy of the test itself is not affect ed by the 
age of the  kitten (at least I have never seen any data to indicate that) 
however, it can  take 1 to 3 months to develop FeLV antigens to a detectable 
level after  exposure. Some feel they are detectable in as little as 2 weeks. 
The vet is  just trying to avoid a false negative. Unfortunately, 
there has not been enough study done to know just how much  exposure and for 
what length of time it takes to infect a kitten or a cat. An  article in 
Shelter Medicine says, FeLV can be spread transplacentally from  mother to 
offspring, but spread via nursing or grooming is more common.  
http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_feline_felv.shtml They don't 
reference any data for that. Sort of leaves you in a tough place  if you have 
a know FeLV queen about to give birth, do the kittens already have  it, or do 
you snatch them away as soon as they ar e born so they don't get it  from milk 
or grooming? Hope that helps. Gary   - Original Message 
-   From: MaryChristine   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   Sent: 
Friday, July 25, 2008 1:19 PM   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval 
for kittens   i guess the question is this, tho i may be wrong:
 there is no point in testing for FIV until at least six months of age,  
because both the ELISA and western blot test antibodies, and kittens will show 
 their MOM'S antibodies until (and often for two or three motnsh beyond) then. 
is the only reason that the article i just read said you can test for 
FeLV,  which tests antigens instead of antibodies? why would the vet mentioned 
above  then say 3 months is the best age?   ;
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)

2008-07-27 Thread wendy
Hey Tonya,
I lost my 18 yr. old Julie to hyperT/kidney failure in December.  Instead of 
trying to chase Shaft for oral meds, I would suggest trying the transdermal 
Tapazole/Methimazole.  I ordered Julie's through Pet Health Pharmacy online; 
they are very reasonable compared to my vet/other pharmacies price-wise and 
have great service and customer service.  The transdermal can be rubbed into 
the tip of Shaft's ear, which is SOO much easier than trying to pill!  You 
will probably have to adjust and readjust dosing, as the hyperT is never 
completely cured.  The meds just regulate the progression of the disease, 
slowing it down.  I belonged to the hyperT group for two+ years and learned a 
lot there.  One of the problems with the meds is often overdosing of meds.  
Many vets prescribe 5 mg 2x daily when starting doses should only be 1.25 to 
2.5 mg 2x daily.  The meds have to be given every 12 hours because they are out 
of the system after about
 12 hours.  
The other thing you can consider is the radioactive iodine (I-131) treatment.  
It's expensive; anywhere from $800 to $2000 depending on what part of the U.S. 
you have the treatment done in.  It's a cure, when it works, which is often.  
It kills the bad cells in the thyroid and leaves the good cells alone.  Had I 
had the money and had Julie not had kidney issues as well and had she been 
younger, I would have most assuredly gone with this treatment.  
Hyper T often masks kidney disease, so often people find they are dealing with 
CRF as well as hyperT once the hyperT is regulated, and if this is the case, 
you often have to balance to two with the meds, meaning you can't fully treat 
the hyperT, as the kidney's act up.  If Shaft does have CRF after you get him 
regulated (you'll need to have his bloodwork done 4-6 hours after dosing with 
Tapazole/Methamizole to check both kidneys and T4 level, about 2 weeks after 
meds have been started), then subQ fluids are a must.  
The hyperT Yahoo group is great.  Also, heart murmur is often caused by 
overworking thyroid, so that can disappear/improve after hyperT is regulated 
with meds.
Hope this helps Shaft!
:)
Wendy
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My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight.  Everyone here has been so 
sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was 
leaving for a week's vacation).  I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as 
soon as I got back.  That's what it was.  The vet detected a heart murmer as 
well.  He is an estimated 18 years old.  He had a fever and the vet put him on 
some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course.
 
Problem.  He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down 
him.  I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides.  
Should I stress him out with the chase down?  Crate him for a while?  He 
doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on 
Monday.  We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better.
 
Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice?  I am 
quickly losing my mind. la la la la.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-27 Thread wendy
Funny you say this about the gerber (or BeechNut) baby food.  Chicken and gravy 
was Julie's favorite, and when she would not eat anything else, she scarfed 
this stuff down!!!  It saved her life several times when she stopped eating and 
towards the end of her life, she lived on it, plus boiled chicken and chicken 
broth.  
Make sure whatever baby food you buy does not contain garlic or onions.  I 
think tomatoes are also linked to anemia in cats, but not sure on this.
Pepcid (original) was also a life-saver for her a few times when she stopped 
eating when her stomach acted up.  
:)
Wendy

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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:54:34 AM
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Tonya, I don't belong to this group.  It is listed in the Links on the Assist 
Feeding Group. 
Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome)
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211
 
Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets.  Most vets carry them.  Pets Mart 
may as well.  Mine caught on the 2nd dose  and now avoid them like the plague.  
 
Pequita would get hysterical and foam at the mouth whenever I tried to pill 
her.  But she loves Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy baby food.  I crush her meds, 
dissolve them in 1-2 cc of water and add them to a couple of tsp of Gerbers.  
She laps it right up.
 
Shaft really needs the Tapazole to get his thyroid regulated.  If Pill Pockets 
don't work try the baby food.  Any meat variety works just make sure it doesn't 
have onions or garlic in it.    Also the Gerber 2 Chicken and gravy has 100 
calories per jar so it would help with the wt issue.
Sharyl

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From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:26 AM


My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight.  Everyone here has been so 
sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was 
leaving for a week's vacation).  I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as 
soon as I got back.  That's what it was.  The vet detected a heart murmer as 
well.  He is an estimated 18 years old.  He had a fever and the vet put him on 
some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course.
 
Problem.  He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down 
him.  I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides.  
Should I stress him out with the chase down?  Crate him for a while?  He 
doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on 
Monday.  We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better.
 
Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice?  I am 
quickly losing my mind. la la la la.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-27 Thread wendy
P.S. Julie also loved deli meat!!!

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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
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- Original Message 
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Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:49:19 PM
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Funny you say this about the gerber (or BeechNut) baby food.  Chicken and gravy 
was Julie's favorite, and when she would not eat anything else, she scarfed 
this stuff down!!!  It saved her life several times when she stopped eating and 
towards the end of her life, she lived on it, plus boiled chicken and chicken 
broth.  
 
Make sure whatever baby food you buy does not contain garlic or onions.  I 
think tomatoes are also linked to anemia in cats, but not sure on this.
 
Pepcid (original) was also a life-saver for her a few times when she stopped 
eating when her stomach acted up.  
 
:)
Wendy

 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~



- Original Message 
From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:54:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem


Tonya, I don't belong to this group.  It is listed in the Links on the Assist 
Feeding Group. 
Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome)
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211
 
Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets.  Most vets carry them.  Pets Mart 
may as well.  Mine caught on the 2nd dose  and now avoid them like the plague.  
 
Pequita would get hysterical and foam at the mouth whenever I tried to pill 
her.  But she loves Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy baby food.  I crush her meds, 
dissolve them in 1-2 cc of water and add them to a couple of tsp of Gerbers.  
She laps it right up.
 
Shaft really needs the Tapazole to get his thyroid regulated.  If Pill Pockets 
don't work try the baby food.  Any meat variety works just make sure it doesn't 
have onions or garlic in it.    Also the Gerber 2 Chicken and gravy has 100 
calories per jar so it would help with the wt issue.
Sharyl

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:26 AM


My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight.  Everyone here has been so 
sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was 
leaving for a week's vacation).  I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as 
soon as I got back.  That's what it was.  The vet detected a heart murmer as 
well.  He is an estimated 18 years old.  He had a fever and the vet put him on 
some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course.
 
Problem.  He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down 
him.  I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides.  
Should I stress him out with the chase down?  Crate him for a while?  He 
doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on 
Monday.  We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better.
 
Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice?  I am 
quickly losing my mind. la la la la.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design

2008-07-27 Thread wendy
I second that!!!
:)
Wendy

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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~



- Original Message 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:49:28 PM
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James and Belinda: you rock!
:)

 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito


My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
- Anonymous



- Original Message 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:12:54 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Admin: New website design

Hey all,

I've finally gotten around to updating our FeLV website 
(with Belinda's help). You can check it out at: 
http://www.felineleukemia.org  
I hope that it is easier to read and loads a bit faster. If 
anyone wishes to help update the content of the site, 
please let me and/or Belinda know privately. Reluctantly, 
I've added a donations page to the site to help offset my 
out-of-pocket costs for maintaining the site. Best wishes.

James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

2008-07-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When Gus my SNAP tested once positive male, was not eating, just lying 
around, but no major signs of illness. I feed him Gerber meat baby food 
with KMR and lysine powder mixed in. He wolfed it down and got over what 
appears to have been a viral URI of a mild nature. He is now back to his 
old self, tearing up the newspaper lining his cage, vocalizing all the 
time. I think it was a combination of a mild viral URI and his being 
depressed about being in a cage for half a day. So when I was hand 
feeding him the baby food, he got the attention he was seeking, so I am 
still feeding him baby food with lysine mixed in.

Sam

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: list to Helene

2008-07-27 Thread wendy
Hi Helene!  I am thinking you are the same Helene from the HyperT group?  If 
so, hello and welcome!  This is Wendy (Julie's mom)
:)
Wendy

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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:09:14 AM
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 I am making sure that I am on the list...although I don't correspond very 
much.  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Terrie Welcome to new members and saying Hello

2008-07-27 Thread wendy
Hey Terrie,
Hope this email finds you well and your mother doing well also.  I'm sorry to 
hear about her.  This has been a tough year for a lot of us.  I have done a 
horrible job of keeping up with the list due to all that's gone on in my life 
in the last year, and frankly, I'm just glad that I'm fixing to start a new one 
(years go August to July for us Edumacators...lol).  I have missed seeing you 
here, as well as some of the other long-time members.
Keep us posted on your mom, and prayers going out for her as well as you and 
your family.
:)
Wendy
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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:56:59 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Welcome to new members and saying Hello

Hi all,
Sorry I haven't posted much these days.
I've been busy as hell in rescue. 
Cats/kittens are coming out of the woodwork!
 
The fact my mother is dying as well. Doctors are only giving her 1-3 months to 
live.
She is still young (66 will be 67 on August 2nd) 
If she hangs on we will be throwing a B-B-Q Birthday for her.
She had us kids when she was young and still got her education as she promised 
my grandparents. My parents were in the military and retired Lab/Dog and 
Siamese Cat breeders. They were respected and recognized in WA. state. 
We traveled the world as youngsters as well.
I'm 50 years old.
 
I wanted to let those of you know I'm so sorry to hear of your precious kitties 
that have went to the bridge. The day will come when you will be together again.
 
For you new members this is the best group of people to get support and 
knowledge from.
They have helped me with my FELV kitties and Non-FELV kitties.
Thank you to those that have decided to let their kitties live regardless of 
what their Vets have said.
I have to tell you I have mix both Felv/Non-Felv kitties in my home. 
Nobody that was negative has died from FELV. 
They died of old age or other illnesses.
I do get their vaccinations when needed.
There are some that do separate the Felvs from the Non-Felvs on this group.
 
Anyway enjoy your kitties.
Many can live for years then others like my Taz didn't make it pass 2 years old.
Good food and love is the key factor here.
 
TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-27 Thread Sharyl
Debbie, I don't mean to be sarcastic but it really depends on the issues the 
cat has or doesn't have.  For my CRF kitty I am looking for the lowest 
phosphorus food she'll eat.  Cats with sensitive systems really need grain free 
foods.  
 
For most cats a high quality canned food is usually best.  High quality doesn't 
necessarily mean highest price.  You can go to www.petfooddirect.com and find 
the ingredients for most canned and dry foods.  
 
I avoid anything with garlic/onions or designer ingredients.  Many companies 
are adding ingredients that people take for various health issues without 
testing to see the impact on cats.   For this reason I avoid any food with 
cranberries.  I expect the 1st few ingredients to be a protein in the form of a 
meat.  I avoid any food where the first or second ingredient is a grain.  Cats 
are carnivores not herbivores.
 
All that said I feed my CRF kitty whatever she will eat.  Today it was Fancy 
Feast.  Yesterday it was Friskies.  She refuses to eat any of the renal diets 
or any of the so called 'high quality' foods.  
HTH
Sharyl

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From: Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:41 PM




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well...that went poorly...I was asking what constitutes a good diet for cats 
these days...please.

Debbie (COL)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-27 Thread MaryChristine
my crf kitty, who was fed delicat from the time she was weaned at 4 weeks of
age (i rescued her at years old), and REFUSED to eat anything other than
that--she'd hold her nose and turn calico and BLUE before she'd eat anything
else, WOULD eat a home-made ground turkey diet, with hard-boiled eggs for
taurine, and brown rice to stretch it out (yeah, i know they don't NEED
carbs) then she stopped eating that, too. now she gets whatever it
is she'll eat--fancy feast, friskies, 9 lives--all meat ones, no fish.
i've tried to have the, you have to eat well or you'll DIE, discussion
with her, and she just gazes at me with her green eyes and says, mom, i'm
going to die anyway, in my own time. you know that, i know that. give it a
rest. calicos can be a REAL pain.



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 Debbie, I don't mean to be sarcastic but it really depends on the issues
 the cat has or doesn't have.  For my CRF kitty I am looking for the lowest
 phosphorus food she'll eat.  Cats with sensitive systems really need grain
 free foods.



 For most cats a high quality canned food is usually best.  High quality
 doesn't necessarily mean highest price.  You can go to
 www.petfooddirect.com and find the ingredients for most canned and dry
 foods.



 I avoid anything with garlic/onions or designer ingredients.  Many
 companies are adding ingredients that people take for various health issues
 without testing to see the impact on cats.   For this reason I avoid any
 food with cranberries.  I expect the 1st few ingredients to be a protein in
 the form of a meat.  I avoid any food where the first or second ingredient
 is a grain.  Cats are carnivores not herbivores.



 All that said I feed my CRF kitty whatever she will eat.  Today it was
 Fancy Feast.  Yesterday it was Friskies.  She refuses to eat any of the
 renal diets or any of the so called 'high quality' foods.

 HTH

 Sharyl

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 From: Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:41 PM

  well...that went poorly...I was asking what constitutes a good diet for
 cats these days...please.

 Debbie (COL)
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