[Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be leaving 
this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, weak, 
frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all the 
time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every 
room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't 
care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor.  He 
won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking 
him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he 
isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or 
wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so 
we could know for sure.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced  
with problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to  
your heartnot your mind but your heart.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be  
leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty  
much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not  
using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about  
everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest  
thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care about  
that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor.  He  
won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him  
by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a  
blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't  
tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end.  I wish they were  
allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure.


Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal communicator.  And 
no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We agreed though that we are going to 
before making a decision.  My husband said he got so angry last night for what 
Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make 
some changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing about getting 
angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and reminded him 
that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no one will get 
angry at him.  He's always been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want 
to lose him.  SO we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out 
and see if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you know 
yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe a ton 
of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I can almost predict what Len's 
vet will do.  Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray.  
I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, we'll take 
him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at 
night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal 
communicator in my area.

Again, thanks girls for the advice.
Lynne 
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  Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with 
problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your 
heartnot your mind but your heart.

  On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:


I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be 
leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, 
weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all 
the time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in 
every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I 
don't care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the 
floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him 
by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare 
like he isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys 
living or wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their 
lives so we could know for sure.

Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn


On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm?  Perhaps  
try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever  
anxieties he may have?  I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue  
Remedy.  This is assuming he is having some problems because of  
anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems.   
Just ideas.


If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone.
Here is the emails of two I know personally:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Judy Guetig Greenberg).   
You can email them and ask questions re their qualifications,  
prices, etc.  There are wonderful articles on the internet if you  
Google for them.  This is a website that has some information on  
it:  http://www.horizonvetserv.com  You can do this yourself but you  
may find  that you are too close to the situation.  As always, I am  
putting this on the table.  Take what works for you and leave the  
rest.  If none of it feels right to you, do not feel bad.   We are  
all on our own paths and they are not the same.


Good luck.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal  
communicator.  And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We  
agreed though that we are going to before making a decision.  My  
husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done  
but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some  
changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing about  
getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's  
doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps  
himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him.  He's always  
been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him.  SO  
we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see  
if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you know  
yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and  
prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I  
can almost predict what Len's vet will do.  Prednisone and  
antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray.  I've practically  
broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, we'll take him  
in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes  
at night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an  
animal communicator in my area.


Again, thanks girls for the advice.
Lynne

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
Thanks again Marylyn.  I had just sat down to do some googling for Len.  We 
have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable 
flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room.  We're also able to 
leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough 
that intruders could get in.  The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out 
there during the day.  It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my 
mom was with Alzheimer's.  | want to do some searching about medications too, 
perhaps sedative and/or calming type products.  I have cat nip growing all over 
the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff.  I am also going to 
look for the Feliway.  It's certainly worth a try.  We're not going to give up 
on him yet.  I just don't think it's quite the time.

Lynne
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  On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Marylyn wrote:


Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm?  Perhaps try 
some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever anxieties he may 
have?  I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue Remedy.  This is assuming he 
is having some problems because of anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety 
over the problems.  Just ideas.  


If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone.   Here is 
the emails of two I know personally:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ann Baumbach)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Judy Guetig Greenberg).  You can email them and ask 
questions re their qualifications, prices, etc.  There are wonderful articles 
on the internet if you Google for them.  This is a website that has some 
information on it:  http://www.horizonvetserv.com  You can do this yourself but 
you may find  that you are too close to the situation.  As always, I am putting 
this on the table.  Take what works for you and leave the rest.  If none of it 
feels right to you, do not feel bad.   We are all on our own paths and they are 
not the same.


Good luck. 

On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote:


  Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal communicator.  
And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We agreed though that we are 
going to before making a decision.  My husband said he got so angry last night 
for what Lennie had done but says he doesn't want to have him put down if we 
can make some changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing 
about getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's doing and 
reminded him that there may come a day that he craps himself and hopefully no 
one will get angry at him.  He's always been very close to Len, and I know he 
doesn't want to lose him.  SO we are going to make an appointment to have him 
checked out and see if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you 
know yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and prescribe 
a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I can almost predict what 
Len's vet will do.  Prednisone and antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an 
x-ray.  I've practically broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, 
we'll take him in for treatment and work on making a plan to help with 
mistakes at night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an 
animal communicator in my area.

  Again, thanks girls for the advice.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn


On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote:

You are listening to your heart.  This is good.  Try some fresh  
catnip now that he is having problems.  Tastes change and a few  
leaves won't hurt a thing.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks again Marylyn.  I had just sat down to do some googling for  
Len.  We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it  
with easily cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his  
night time room.  We're also able to leave the patio door open  
enough for him to go out there but not wide enough that intruders  
could get in.  The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out  
there during the day.  It's at night when the problems arise, kind  
of like my mom was with Alzheimer's.  | want to do some searching  
about medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type  
products.  I have cat nip growing all over the place but neither of  
our cats care about the stuff.  I am also going to look for the  
Feliway.  It's certainly worth a try.  We're not going to give up  
on him yet.  I just don't think it's quite the time.


Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread wendy
Hi Lynne,
I am so sorry that your kitty isn't doing well.  Do you think he's dehydrated 
at all?  Because if he is, subQ fluids will make him feel better until it is 
time to go.  I know how torturous it is to go through this waiting period, so 
please be very kind and gentle with yourself.  You can deal with this, and I 
know you want to for your kitty's sake.  Praying for strength for you.
Wendy

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I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be leaving 
this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, weak, 
frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all the 
time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every 
room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't 
care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor.  He 
won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking 
him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he 
isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or 
wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so 
we could know for sure.
 
Lynne


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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also 
called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just 
vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.  That 
I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I 
always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear 
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender 
guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

Lynne
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  On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote:


You are listening to your heart.  This is good.  Try some fresh catnip now 
that he is having problems.  Tastes change and a few leaves won't hurt a thing.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote:


  Thanks again Marylyn.  I had just sat down to do some googling for Len.  
We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily cleanable 
flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room.  We're also able to 
leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not wide enough 
that intruders could get in.  The patio is screened in and he enjoys being out 
there during the day.  It's at night when the problems arise, kind of like my 
mom was with Alzheimer's.  | want to do some searching about medications too, 
perhaps sedative and/or calming type products.  I have cat nip growing all over 
the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff.  I am also going to 
look for the Feliway.  It's certainly worth a try.  We're not going to give up 
on him yet.  I just don't think it's quite the time.

  Lynne
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[Felvtalk] Format

2008-08-02 Thread Dawn Morrison
Is there a way to format how we receive the posts? I find it very difficult to 
see where one post begins/ends.
There used to be numbers in the body that corresponded with the top of the 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
Thank you Wendy.  I don't think he's dehydrated.  He has always been a water 
lover.  Bob changes his water several times a day when I'm at work so he always 
has fresh water.  Len always drinks after he eats.  I think it's a pretty 
simple matter of senile dementia.  I swear it's like watching my mom die all 
over again, only he's a cat.  The wasting away is so familiar.  If he were to 
stop eating and drinking we'd be off to the vet in a flash for the inevitable.  
For now I think we will just try keeping him as comfortable as we can, pay a 
lot of attention to him and watch him closely.  Snowy knows he'a not well and 
always steps aside if he is coming toward her.  The other night we were out in 
the grass and to show you how hard it is for Len to make a decision, Snowy was 
laying in his path and rather than walk around, he stopped, looked confused and 
proceded to walk over top of her.  She just watched in amazement.  The poor old 
guy.
Lynne
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  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:00 PM
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  Hi Lynne,



  I am so sorry that your kitty isn't doing well.  Do you think he's dehydrated 
at all?  Because if he is, subQ fluids will make him feel better until it is 
time to go.  I know how torturous it is to go through this waiting period, so 
please be very kind and gentle with yourself.  You can deal with this, and I 
know you want to for your kitty's sake.  Praying for strength for you.



  Wendy


   
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~ 





  I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be leaving 
this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, weak, 
frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all the 
time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every 
room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't 
care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floo r.  
He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him by 
picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare 
like he isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys 
living or wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their 
lives so we could know for sure.

  Lynne



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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn


On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential  
oil that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an  
expert in cats, says.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19


This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not  
carrying it.  Oh well.



On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:

I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.   
I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able  
to carry it, just vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will  
try some fresh catnip.  That I have no problem in finding.  Before  
I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the pillows with  
lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear Snowball enjoys it  
as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender guy but  
who knows.  I'll try anything.


Lynne



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[Felvtalk] OT Dementia

2008-08-02 Thread Sally Davis
Lynne

I am sure you have already googled it, but these seemed to be a reasonanle
expaination of Feline dementia. I am always learning

http://cat-care.suite101.com/article.cfm/does_your_cat_have_alzheimers

I too have emailed an animal communicator I used during the time when I lost
so many kitties to feline leukemia. It was a great comfort. It has been
almost two years since I emailed her, so hopefully she uses the same email
address.

Sally

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
Really? I make linen spray with the smallest amount of lavender essential oil 
for it's aromatic effect only.  It's known to be calming and also good for 
headaches.  Snowy never gets any on her directly, we just like going to bed 
with the nice scent in the air.  I will read up on that however.  But for now 
I'm going to order the Feliway.  

Lynne
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  On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:


Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential oil 
that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, 
says.
  
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19




  This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not 
carrying it.  Oh well.


On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:


  I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also 
called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just 
vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.  That 
I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I 
always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear 
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender 
guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

  Lynne





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Re: [Felvtalk] OT Dementia

2008-08-02 Thread Lynne
No I haven't Sally but I will now.
Thanks
Lynne
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  To: FeLV Talk 
  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:48 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] OT Dementia


  Lynne

  I am sure you have already googled it, but these seemed to be a reasonanle 
expaination of Feline dementia. I am always learning

  http://cat-care.suite101.com/article.cfm/does_your_cat_have_alzheimers

  I too have emailed an animal communicator I used during the time when I lost 
so many kitties to feline leukemia. It was a great comfort. It has been almost 
two years since I emailed her, so hopefully she uses the same email address. 

  Sally
   
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Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior 
Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and  Spike  Please Visit my Message 
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[Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability

2008-08-02 Thread MaryChristine
most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a brief
period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state of michigan
decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it refused to put it
through the years of clinical trials involved, since no OTHER state was
treating it as a drug. it is now available in pet stores again, so i guess
the state gave that little money-making scheme up.


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 On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential oil
 that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats,
 says.


 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19

 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not
 carrying it.  Oh well.


 On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:

 I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also
 called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just
 vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.
 That I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with
 Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming
 herb.  I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture
 Len as a lavender guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties

2008-08-02 Thread Jennifer
Sally, your Zoe looks like my Isobel!

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--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 12:43 AM

Hi 
 
I have enjoyed the pictures. I added a couple to my website plus a little story 
told though JJ's eyes. I hope you enjoy it.
 
http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=78
 
I will always miss my Junior. 
 
Sally
 
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Hi everyone.  Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel and Ash.  
Check them out :)  Thanks Belinda!

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 

        ~ loving mama to ~
          Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)

          Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
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From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM



   Hi Jennifer,
  I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their 
kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see.

Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them 

you can do that.  I will put them in your own album.  Let me know what
 
you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less.  
The album is here:

http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties

2008-08-02 Thread Jennifer
Thank you!

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:27 AM


Great photos Jennifer. Thanks for sending them. It's great toconnect faces with 
names. They are beautiful.
Jane
On Aug 1, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Jennifer wrote:
Hi everyone.  Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel and Ash.  
Check them out :)  Thanks Belinda!

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        ~ loving mama to ~
            Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
            Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
            Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM

   Hi Jennifer,
  I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their 
kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see.

Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them 
you can do that.  I will put them in your own album.  Let me know what
 
you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less.  
The album is here:

http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Jennifer
I'm so sorry to hear that :(  It's really really tough when they get older.  

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Subject: [Felvtalk] a decision
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:33 PM



 
 

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 
19 year old should be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  
He is pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is 
not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about everywhere.  
We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest thing for people who 
come 
over to have to see but I don't care about that.  Last night he pooped in 
one and then pooped on the floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  
I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to 
him and there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body 
anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end.  I 
wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so we could know for 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Jennifer
Do they really work?  I've heard really bad stories about pet psychics.  I'm 
sure animals can be tapped into because they have brains, they have feelings, 
they can think...but I don't know...the whole thing seems a bit hoaky.  I'd 
like to be proven wrong though. 

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
        ~ loving mama to ~
            Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
            Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
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--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:43 PM

Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced with 
problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true to your 
heart.not your mind but your heart.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:
I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be leaving 
this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf, weak, 
frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box all the 
time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every 
room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't 
care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the floor.  He 
won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to stimulate him by picking 
him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is just a blank stare like he 
isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or 
wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so 
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[Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread Jennifer
What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties

2008-08-02 Thread Sally Davis
you are welcome...

I believe Zoe and JJ came from a house across the street from me. A
household with young kids. Both of them are wild and full of energy. They
both wanted to climb and get up in high places. JJ will literally climb the
door frame of my bedroom. I do not see how he holds on. He also chases
imaginary things, I think is Junior(angel).

Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread gary
There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people with FeLV 
and FIV cats as an immune support.  I use this on my cats.

Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet.  Your 
supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with cholesterol and I 
really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of pilling them everyday.  
I suppose you could give it with food that didn't have cholesterol, but most of 
those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't interested.  I tried egg whites 
and they didn't go for that either.  If anyone knows how to get Moducare into 
the cats without pilling and without cholesterol, please let me know.

Transfer Factor.  I don't have any experience with this one so I won't comment 
on it.

Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats.

And I am sure there are many others.

Gary

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  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements


What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy?

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~ loving mama to ~
  Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
  Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
  Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)

   




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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread Jennifer
Thanks Gary.  These are veterinarian prescribed, or they can be purchased OTC 
at PetSmart or something?  Ash sees his vet on the 14th so I am going to ask 
him just to be sure.  I just wanted to go in there with some supplement names 
to throw at him.  Thanks again!

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
        ~ loving mama to ~
            Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
            Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
            Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Sat, 8/2/08, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 8:33 PM



 
 

There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many 
people with FeLV and FIV cats as an immune support.  I use this on my 
cats.
 
Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my 
cats yet.  Your supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds 
with cholesterol and I really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of 
pilling them everyday.  I suppose you could give it with food that didn't 
have cholesterol, but most of those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't 
interested.  I tried egg whites and they didn't go for that either.  
If anyone knows how to get Moducare into the cats without pilling and without 
cholesterol, please let me know.
 
Transfer Factor.  I don't have any experience with this 
one so I won't comment on it.
 
Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ 
cats.
 
And I am sure there are many others.
 
Gary
 

  - Original Message - 
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  Jennifer 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 
  PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements
  

  


  What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them 
healthy?

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  
LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
        
~ loving mama to ~
       
   Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
       
   Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
       
   Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread wendy
I believe that L-lysine (pure) is very important in boosting the immune 
system.  It's an anti-viral and a natural amino acid.  It cannot be overdosed 
as it's water soluble.  Some people love Vitamin C, but I don't have any 
personal experience using that with my cats.  Best Friends Animal Sanctuary 
gives intra-muscular shots (versus IV, as some people do) to their FeLV+'s of 
Immuno-Regulin once a week I believe (although it might just be monthly or 
bi-monthly).
:)
Wendy

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements


What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread gary
These are all OTC, do an online search for the best price.  For Lysine: I 
buy it in a one pound container, last time I paid $17.88 including shipping 
(about 800 doses at 500mg). It's powder and I just disolve it in a little 
water and pour it on their food, it has no taste or smell.  You can buy it 
anyplace they sell vitamins in capsule form.  I give them 250mg twice a day 
if they aren't having any problems and 500mg twice a day if they are 
fighting off something or recovering.

Moducare: I think I paid about $37 at puritan.com and got free shipping at 
that time.

I haven't purchased the others yet.

Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements


Thanks Gary.  These are veterinarian prescribed, or they can be purchased 
OTC at PetSmart or something?  Ash sees his vet on the 14th so I am going to 
ask him just to be sure.  I just wanted to go in there with some supplement 
names to throw at him.  Thanks again!

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
~ loving mama to ~
  Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
  Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Alice hanson
Pet-co has feliway. I swear by it. It has gotten me and my kitties thru some 
very rough times. It really does work.
alice
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  On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:


Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential oil 
that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats, 
says. 
  
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19
 




  This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not 
carrying it.  Oh well.


On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:


  I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also 
called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just 
vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.  That 
I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I 
always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear 
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender 
guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

  Lynne



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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread Jennifer
Thank you so much for your help.  I appreciate it 

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            Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
            Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 9:31 PM

These are all OTC, do an online search for the best price.  For Lysine: I 
buy it in a one pound container, last time I paid $17.88 including shipping 
(about 800 doses at 500mg). It's powder and I just disolve it in a little 
water and pour it on their food, it has no taste or smell.  You can buy it 
anyplace they sell vitamins in capsule form.  I give them 250mg twice a day 
if they aren't having any problems and 500mg twice a day if they are 
fighting off something or recovering.

Moducare: I think I paid about $37 at puritan.com and got free shipping at 
that time.

I haven't purchased the others yet.

Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements


Thanks Gary.  These are veterinarian prescribed, or they can be purchased 
OTC at PetSmart or something?  Ash sees his vet on the 14th so I am going to 
ask him just to be sure.  I just wanted to go in there with some supplement 
names to throw at him.  Thanks again!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread MaryChristine
here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline
Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org),

Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections.
Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect
against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus-
specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out
the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. (
[EMAIL PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!)

this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same
thing repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my
files, and if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have
repeated this over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS.
it's a marvelous thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's
probably the only thing that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and
practitioners of every other purrsuasion and specialty agree upon.

we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and
finding out the details and veracity.

please.

MC

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:33 PM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people
 with FeLV and FIV cats as an immune support.  I use this on my cats.

 Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet.
 Your supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with
 cholesterol and I really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of
 pilling them everyday.  I suppose you could give it with food that didn't
 have cholesterol, but most of those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't
 interested.  I tried egg whites and they didn't go for that either.  If
 anyone knows how to get Moducare into the cats without pilling and without
 cholesterol, please let me know.

 Transfer Factor.  I don't have any experience with this one so I won't
 comment on it.

 Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats.

 And I am sure there are many others.

 Gary


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 *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Supplements

   What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread Sally Davis
There is this  feral cat where I work. She has been fixed and her ear has
been clipped. Getting her to a vet would be impossible as I imagine she
would not get in a trap again. That being said she is very friendly to one
lady at work who feeds her canned food. Anyway for the past couple months
she has had on and off runny eyes and nose. She sneezes. Well figuring there
was a chance it was herpes virus I gave Pat Junior's left over Lysine. In a
weeks time she started clearing up. Baby Girl is feeling much better.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-02 Thread wendy
And again, I defend my stance.  Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered 
immune function.  Period.  Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as 
opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER!  And keeping the immune 
system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking 
in.  That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two 
most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things 
help the immune system stay strong.  The quote you sent says specificially that 
even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no 
effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY 
KNOW.  Which means they don't know for sure it does not.  
 
Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the 
feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own.  It must 
come from food/external sources.  Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, 
bone, and other tissues.  Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone 
marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as 
lymphoma and anemia.  While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, 
it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone 
and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the 
implications on the bone marrow.
 
I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not 
directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication.  If there are, could you 
kindly post those studies MC?  And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be 
appreciated by me especially.
 
Respectfully,
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- Original Message 
From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:08:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements


here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline 
Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), 

Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections.
Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect
against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus-
specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out
the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!)

this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing 
repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and 
if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this 
over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous 
thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing 
that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other 
purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. 

we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and 
finding out the details and veracity.

please.

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Thank goodness I have never had that problem and my vets (both regular  
and holistic) believe in it,  use it and sell it.  I do not like the  
plug in version at all though.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a  
brief period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state  
of michigan decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it  
refused to put it through the years of clinical trials involved,  
since no OTHER state was treating it as a drug. it is now available  
in pet stores again, so i guess the state gave that little money- 
making scheme up.



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wrote:


On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential  
oil that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an  
expert in cats, says.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19


This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets  
not carrying it.  Oh well.



On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:

I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.   
I also called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able  
to carry it, just vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I  
will try some fresh catnip.  That I have no problem in finding.   
Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I always spritz the  
pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear  
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len  
as a lavender guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties

2008-08-02 Thread Jane Lyons
Sally, Junior was so handsome. Funny, I always pictured him as a grey  
and white kittie.

I'm happy to have finally met him. I can imagine how much you miss him.

Jane
On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:44 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

JJ is adorable
Sharyl

--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 8:43 PM


Hi

I have enjoyed the pictures. I added a couple to my website plus a  
little story told though JJ's eyes. I hope you enjoy it.


http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=78

I will always miss my Junior.

Sally

On 8/1/08, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everyone.  Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel  
and Ash.  Check them out :)  Thanks Belinda!


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  Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
  Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM

Hi Jennifer,
  I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their
kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see.

Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them



you can do that.  I will put them in your own album.  Let me know what

you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Can you confine him to an area where he will cause no harm?  Perhaps  
try some sort of sedatives or catnip or ? to relieve whatever  
anxieties he may have?  I am a big believer in Feliway and Rescue  
Remedy.  This is assuming he is having some problems because of  
anxiety and/or is picking up on your anxiety over the problems.  Just  
ideas.


If there are no a/cs in your area, most will consult by phone.   Here  
is the emails of two I know personally:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
(Ann Baumbach)[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Judy Guetig Greenberg).  You  
can email them and ask questions re their qualifications, prices,  
etc.  There are wonderful articles on the internet if you Google for  
them.  This is a website that has some information on it:  http://www.horizonvetserv.com 
  You can do this yourself but you may find  that you are too close  
to the situation.  As always, I am putting this on the table.  Take  
what works for you and leave the rest.  If none of it feels right to  
you, do not feel bad.   We are all on our own paths and they are not  
the same.


Good luck.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks Marylyn and Sally.  I have never heard of an animal  
communicator.  And no Sally I haven't taken him to the vet.  We  
agreed though that we are going to before making a decision.  My  
husband said he got so angry last night for what Lennie had done but  
says he doesn't want to have him put down if we can make some  
changes that may help him.  I gave my husband a good lashing about  
getting angry about a poor old senile guy not knowing what he's  
doing and reminded him that there may come a day that he craps  
himself and hopefully no one will get angry at him.  He's always  
been very close to Len, and I know he doesn't want to lose him.  SO  
we are going to make an appointment to have him checked out and see  
if there is anything to help him.  The only problem is, you know  
yourself that some vets will order every test ever invented and  
prescribe a ton of medication that honestly serves no purpose.  I  
can almost predict what Len's vet will do.  Prednisone and  
antibiotics, more blood work maybe even an x-ray.  I've practically  
broke the bank with BooBoo, Snowy and Len.  Still, we'll take him in  
for treatment and work on making a plan to help with mistakes at  
night.  AND I am going to search around to see if there is an animal  
communicator in my area.


Again, thanks girls for the advice.
Lynne
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced  
with problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true  
to your heartnot your mind but your heart.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should  
be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is  
pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is  
not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about  
everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest  
thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care  
about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the  
floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to  
stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and  
there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body  
anymore.  I just can't tell if  he enjoys living or wants it to  
end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so  
we could know for sure.


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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread gary
Curious, PetSmart online still sells it.  I suppose this could be some odd 
state regulation, but if it were me, I would call another PetSmart in your 
state and ask if they sell it.  Might not be practical for you to go there 
(closest one to me is 3 hours) but I would sure want to know if what they said 
was true.

Gary
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  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision


  I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also 
called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just 
vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.  That 
I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with Snowball I 
always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming herb.  I swear 
Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture Len as a lavender 
guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

  Lynne
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Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision




On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Marylyn wrote:


  You are listening to your heart.  This is good.  Try some fresh catnip 
now that he is having problems.  Tastes change and a few leaves won't hurt a 
thing.

  On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Lynne wrote:


Thanks again Marylyn.  I had just sat down to do some googling for Len. 
 We have a nice back room, the laundry room, just redid it with easily 
cleanable flooring so we've decided that will be his night time room.  We're 
also able to leave the patio door open enough for him to go out there but not 
wide enough that intruders could get in.  The patio is screened in and he 
enjoys being out there during the day.  It's at night when the problems arise, 
kind of like my mom was with Alzheimer's.  | want to do some searching about 
medications too, perhaps sedative and/or calming type products.  I have cat nip 
growing all over the place but neither of our cats care about the stuff.  I am 
also going to look for the Feliway.  It's certainly worth a try.  We're not 
going to give up on him yet.  I just don't think it's quite the time.

Lynne
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-02 Thread wendy
And again, I defend my stance.  Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered 
immune function.  Period.  Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as 
opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER!  And keeping the immune 
system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking 
in.  That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two 
most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things 
help the immune system stay strong.  The quote you sent says specificially that 
even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no 
effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY 
KNOW.  Which means they don't know for sure it does not.  
Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the 
feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own.  It must 
come from food/external sources.  Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, 
bone, and other tissues.  Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone 
marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as 
lymphoma and anemia.  While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, 
it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone 
and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the 
implications on the bone marrow.
I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not 
directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication.  If there are, could you 
kindly post those studies MC?  And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be 
appreciated by me especially.
Respectfully,
Wendy

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements


here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline 
Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), 

Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections.
Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect
against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus-
specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out
the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!)

this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing 
repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and 
if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this 
over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous 
thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing 
that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other 
purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. 

we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and 
finding out the details and veracity.

please.

MC


On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:33 PM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people with FeLV 
and FIV cats as an immune support.  I use this on my cats.
 
Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet.  Your 
supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with cholesterol and I 
really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of pilling them everyday.  
I suppose you could give it with food that didn't have cholesterol, but most of 
those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't interested.  I tried egg whites 
and they didn't go for that either.  If anyone knows how to get Moducare into 
the cats without pilling and without cholesterol, please let me know.
 
Transfer Factor.  I don't have any experience with this one so I won't comment 
on it.
 
Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats.
 
And I am sure there are many others.
 
Gary
 
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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements

What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy?

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
I've used them and have had very good luck.  How do you know what a  
baby without words wants?  Or how one cop can sense where the bad guy  
is hiding when dozens others can't?  Or the feeling you get when  
sometime is just really wrong?  There are charlatans out there  
unfortunately.  You are the only person who can decide if it is right  
for you right now.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Jennifer wrote:

Do they really work?  I've heard really bad stories about pet  
psychics.  I'm sure animals can be tapped into because they have  
brains, they have feelings, they can think...but I don't know...the  
whole thing seems a bit hoaky.  I'd like to be proven wrong though.


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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a decision
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:43 PM

Some people, including me, contact animal communicators when faced  
with problems.  If you are open to this, try it and what rings true  
to your heartnot your mind but your heart.

On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Lynne wrote:

I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should  
be leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is  
pretty much deaf, weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is  
not using his litter box all the time and is peeing just about  
everywhere.  We have put litter boxes in every room, not the nicest  
thing for people who come over to have to see but I don't care  
about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on the  
floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to  
stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and  
there is just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body  
anymore.  I just can't tell if he enjoys living or wants it to  
end.  I wish they were allowed to talk just once in their lives so  
we could know for sure.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Ferals will frequently get back in the cage..I have had to release  
the five who stay at my Mom's more times than I can count and so have  
her neighbors.
On Aug 2, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 There is this  feral cat where I work. She has been fixed and her  
 ear has been clipped. Getting her to a vet would be impossible as I  
 imagine she would not get in a trap again. That being said she is  
 very friendly to one lady at work who feeds her canned food. Anyway  
 for the past couple months she has had on and off runny eyes and  
 nose. She sneezes. Well figuring there was a chance it was herpes  
 virus I gave Pat Junior's left over Lysine. In a weeks time she  
 started clearing up. Baby Girl is feeling much better.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-02 Thread Sally Davis
Hi Wendy

Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the
addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if
they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it
boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that
does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave
Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes
virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are
able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be
inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain
how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I
think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are
going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
changed formulation but is it the plus form.

Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate.
Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far
longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived
another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got  real bad
very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can
help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am
not put to the test again.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-02 Thread Marylyn
Colostrum is wonderful as far as I am concerned for any stressed  
animal.  The two feral kittens I have been adopted by are getting it  
daily.  They had a hard beginning.  I want them to have everything I  
can think of to help them overcome it.  They are also getting  
probiotics, grain free food etc.  They have not been tested for FeLV  
or FIV yet.  And I have not had them vaccinated for anything.  They  
are inside so, as far as I am concerned, I can give them some extra  
time to gain weight and just be.   I have been told that colostrum can  
be used if Transfer Factor is out of the question.  I have used it on  
cats.  Please remember I believe in a combination of traditional and  
alternative vets.  The first place Dixie Louise went after we took  
execution off the table was to Dr. Betty Boswell.  Betty saw her  
regularly until the day she died.  Dixie was extremely healthy until  
very shortly (like days) before she left this world and her exit was  
fairly easy and quick.


On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Hi Wendy

 Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I  
 believe the
 addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV  
 especially if
 they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to  
 whether it
 boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a  
 cat that
 does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I  
 gave
 Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the  
 herpes
 virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
 infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether  
 you are
 able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant  
 to be
 inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

 I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am  
 uncertain
 how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff  
 and I
 think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If  
 you are
 going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
 changed formulation but is it the plus form.

 Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so  
 passionate.
 Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going  
 far
 longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.  
 He lived
 another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got   
 real bad
 very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in  
 case I can
 help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope  
 I am
 not put to the test again.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

2008-08-02 Thread Sally Davis
I will let Pat know. I imagine she needs her rabies vacination as I am sure
it has been more than 3 years. Actually there is a couple feral colonies
nearby and they are trapped and neutered etc she has never gone into the
traps.

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2008-08-02 Thread Sally Davis
I think Lynne is in Canada. So the regulations may be different. I remember
she could not get immunoregulin for BooBoo when he was so sick.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-02 Thread MaryChristine
lysine won't hurt; some vets say ALL cats should be on it, but i don't think
it's fair for people who are desperately seeking help for their
immune-compromised babies to think that something will do something that it
cannot. as i said, i think it's pretty darned miraculous enough as it is!

and when we talk to the vets who don't want to believe us in the first
place, saying things that are NOT accurate just gives them more reason to
ignore us or minimize us. like the 70% figure that was anecdotal in
sanctuaries and amongst mutli-FeLV homes for so long--it's NOW right there
in the Merck, and they can't ignore THAT--before it made it to the Merck
tho, it was just we crackpots

if we want them to take us seriously, we have to know MORE than they
do--which, as in the old joke about women needing to work twice as hard,
isn't that difficult. we can NEVER underestimate how little knowledge many,
many vets seem to have about FeLV, FIV and FIP.

i could apologize for getting so passionate about this, but i won't, because
it's just SO important that SOMEONE have accurate, current information--and
it seems that it's up to us to be those someones.

MC



On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Wendy

 Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the
 addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if
 they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it
 boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that
 does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave
 Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes
 virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
 infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are
 able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be
 inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

 I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain
 how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I
 think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are
 going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
 changed formulation but is it the plus form.

 Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate.
 Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far
 longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He
 lived
 another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got  real
 bad
 very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I
 can
 help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am
 not put to the test again.

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability

2008-08-02 Thread MaryChristine
and i prefer and have had better luck with the plug-in



On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank goodness I have never had that problem and my vets (both regular and
 holistic) believe in it,  use it and sell it.  I do not like the plug in
 version at all though.

 On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

 most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a brief
 period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state of michigan
 decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it refused to put it
 through the years of clinical trials involved, since no OTHER state was
 treating it as a drug. it is now available in pet stores again, so i guess
 the state gave that little money-making scheme up.


 On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential oil
 that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in cats,
 says.


 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19

 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not
 carrying it.  Oh well.


 On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:

 I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I also
 called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, just
 vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.
 That I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with
 Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a calming
 herb.  I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't picture
 Len as a lavender guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please remove me from the mailing list

2008-08-02 Thread Nazleen Rahmat

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability

2008-08-02 Thread gary
I guess it just depends on the cat(s).  When I put up the plug-ins my chief 
pee'er peed on them.

Gary

- Original Message - 
From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability


 and i prefer and have had better luck with the plug-in



 On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank goodness I have never had that problem and my vets (both regular 
 and
 holistic) believe in it,  use it and sell it.  I do not like the plug in
 version at all though.

 On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

 most vets here don't carry it, as it's not a medicine--but for a brief
 period last year, no STORES could carry it because the state of michigan
 decided that it was a drug, and the company that made it refused to put 
 it
 through the years of clinical trials involved, since no OTHER state was
 treating it as a drug. it is now available in pet stores again, so i 
 guess
 the state gave that little money-making scheme up.


 On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Marylyn wrote:

 Be very careful with lavender.  There is something in the essential oil
 that is poisonous to cats.  Or so my holistic vet, who is an expert in 
 cats,
 says.


 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=apsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=feliwayx=15y=19

 This is the amazon.com link for Feliway.  I cannot imagine vets not
 carrying it.  Oh well.


 On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Lynne wrote:

 I've just called three vet places and none of them carry Feliway.  I 
 also
 called a PetSmart and they told me they are no longer able to carry it, 
 just
 vets.  I may have to order it online.  But I will try some fresh catnip.
 That I have no problem in finding.  Before I go to bed at night with
 Snowball I always spritz the pillows with lavender because it is a 
 calming
 herb.  I swear Snowball enjoys it as much as I do.  I somehow don't 
 picture
 Len as a lavender guy but who knows.  I'll try anything.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-02 Thread Gloria Lane
Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate -

...from veterinarypartner.com...

• Oral Lysine
Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an  
amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce.  
The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine.  
We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with  
lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is  
readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule.  
One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative  
propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this  
compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to  
determine if supplementation has been helpful.

Gloria




On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Hi Wendy

 Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I  
 believe the
 addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV  
 especially if
 they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to  
 whether it
 boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a  
 cat that
 does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I  
 gave
 Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the  
 herpes
 virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
 infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether  
 you are
 able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant  
 to be
 inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

 I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am  
 uncertain
 how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff  
 and I
 think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If  
 you are
 going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
 changed formulation but is it the plus form.

 Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so  
 passionate.
 Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going  
 far
 longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.  
 He lived
 another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got   
 real bad
 very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in  
 case I can
 help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope  
 I am
 not put to the test again.

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: feliway availability

2008-08-02 Thread Kelley Saveika
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 I haven't had luck with the plugins and not tried the spray, but if your
 vet does not sell them, they can both be obtained online.

 Probably cheaper than your vet, too.

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