[Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s

2008-08-03 Thread Laura B
Hi All,
 
I've been reading through this list, lots of great information!  Been trying to 
chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast pace lately, you are all 
very chatty :)  Anyway, Laura, my FeLV + kitty is doing wonderfully.  She had 
several days of loose stool, a few weeks back and I think it was from the 
vetri-science treats that I was giving her, they had lysine (she has herpes) 
and DMG in them.  Once I stopped them, she firmed back up again.  
 
She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who visits Laura 
daily) thinks it might be a bit too much.  But honestly I think having a little 
bit of extra insulalation is good for her, gives her more of a buffer if she 
should become sick.  What do you all think?  She's not fat, but she is very 
solid and borderline a little chunky.  She looks great, all of her fur has 
grown back (she had alot of bald patches when I got her) and her coat is shiny 
and dense.
 
She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I free feed 
dry wellness for her.  Since I currently have a very sick 14 year old, who 
won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite is so healthy, maybe it's 
too much, but again, I think she needs a little extra meat on her on bones.
 
Thanks in advance for any comments, 
 
Laura 
 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s

2008-08-03 Thread Marylyn
I wish Dixie had been a little larger weight wise.  She was so small  
that anemia and the resulting dehydration took her very quickly.  A  
little extra weight might have helped.  Unfortunately, Dixie was very  
good, as most cats are, at disguising health problems.  And you are  
feeding a good food.
On Aug 3, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Laura B wrote:

 Hi All,

 I've been reading through this list, lots of great information!   
 Been trying to chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast  
 pace lately, you are all very chatty :)  Anyway, Laura, my FeLV +  
 kitty is doing wonderfully.  She had several days of loose stool, a  
 few weeks back and I think it was from the vetri-science treats that  
 I was giving her, they had lysine (she has herpes) and DMG in them.   
 Once I stopped them, she firmed back up again.

 She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who  
 visits Laura daily) thinks it might be a bit too much.  But honestly  
 I think having a little bit of extra insulalation is good for her,  
 gives her more of a buffer if she should become sick.  What do you  
 all think?  She's not fat, but she is very solid and borderline a  
 little chunky.  She looks great, all of her fur has grown back (she  
 had alot of bald patches when I got her) and her coat is shiny and  
 dense.

 She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I  
 free feed dry wellness for her.  Since I currently have a very sick  
 14 year old, who won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite  
 is so healthy, maybe it's too much, but again, I think she needs a  
 little extra meat on her on bones.

 Thanks in advance for any comments,

 Laura




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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-03 Thread Debbie Harrison

I have to say from my own personal experiences that you are correct, MC!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s

2008-08-03 Thread Lynne
I agree with you 100% Laura.  If she's enjoying her food that much she must 
be feeling good and if she gets fat so what.  We wouldn't want to stress or 
upset her by taking away food.  A far worse problem is trying to force feed 
them when they're wasting away.

Lynne

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Hi All,

I've been reading through this list, lots of great information! Been trying 
to chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast pace lately, you are 
all very chatty :) Anyway, Laura, my FeLV + kitty is doing wonderfully. She 
had several days of loose stool, a few weeks back and I think it was from 
the vetri-science treats that I was giving her, they had lysine (she has 
herpes) and DMG in them. Once I stopped them, she firmed back up again.

She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who visits Laura 
daily) thinks it might be a bit too much. But honestly I think having a 
little bit of extra insulalation is good for her, gives her more of a 
buffer if she should become sick. What do you all think? She's not fat, 
but she is very solid and borderline a little chunky. She looks great, all 
of her fur has grown back (she had alot of bald patches when I got her) and 
her coat is shiny and dense.

She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I free 
feed dry wellness for her. Since I currently have a very sick 14 year old, 
who won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite is so healthy, maybe 
it's too much, but again, I think she needs a little extra meat on her on 
bones.

Thanks in advance for any comments,

Laura




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Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s

2008-08-03 Thread Sharyl
JMHO but a good appetite is a good thing.  So many if the problems we face 
affect appetite.  She is eating a good diet.  Unless she gets obese I wouldn't 
worry about it.
Sharyl

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From: Laura B [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update  ?'s
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 8:54 AM

Hi All,
 
I've been reading through this list, lots of great information!  Been
trying to chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast pace lately, you
are all very chatty :)  Anyway, Laura, my FeLV + kitty is doing wonderfully. 
She had several days of loose stool, a few weeks back and I think it was from
the vetri-science treats that I was giving her, they had lysine (she has herpes)
and DMG in them.  Once I stopped them, she firmed back up again.  
 
She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who visits
Laura daily) thinks it might be a bit too much.  But honestly I think having a
little bit of extra insulalation is good for her, gives her more of a
buffer if she should become sick.  What do you all think? 
She's not fat, but she is very solid and borderline a little chunky.  She
looks great, all of her fur has grown back (she had alot of bald patches when I
got her) and her coat is shiny and dense.
 
She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I free feed
dry wellness for her.  Since I currently have a very sick 14 year old, who
won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite is so healthy,
maybe it's too much, but again, I think she needs a little extra meat on her
on bones.
 
Thanks in advance for any comments, 
 
Laura 
 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s

2008-08-03 Thread Chris
My Tucson is a big cat but still a bit on the heavy side but you know, if
she doesn't feel well, she instantly stops eating... Not only does it give
me a signal something's wrong but that extra weight gives us a bit of time
to figure out what's going on.  Of course, she's a bit of a fusspot and
what's going on could be she has an upset tummy, has hairballs, is annoyed
at something or other--But she's had a couple of episodes where her white
blood count really went down low  and she wouldn't eat much of anything for
a few days; again having that extra weight helped get her through it.  

Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  914-720-6888
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Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update  ?'s

Hi All,
 
I've been reading through this list, lots of great information!  Been trying
to chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast pace lately, you are
all very chatty :)  Anyway, Laura, my FeLV + kitty is doing wonderfully. 
She had several days of loose stool, a few weeks back and I think it was
from the vetri-science treats that I was giving her, they had lysine (she
has herpes) and DMG in them.  Once I stopped them, she firmed back up
again.  
 
She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who visits Laura
daily) thinks it might be a bit too much.  But honestly I think having a
little bit of extra insulalation is good for her, gives her more of a
buffer if she should become sick.  What do you all think?  She's not fat,
but she is very solid and borderline a little chunky.  She looks great, all
of her fur has grown back (she had alot of bald patches when I got her) and
her coat is shiny and dense.
 
She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I free
feed dry wellness for her.  Since I currently have a very sick 14 year old,
who won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite is so healthy, maybe
it's too much, but again, I think she needs a little extra meat on her on
bones.
 
Thanks in advance for any comments, 
 
Laura 
 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-03 Thread MaryChristine
and someplace susan little writes about what happens if a cat doesn't get
enough arginine--it dies, if i recall the bottom line, and there was some
question about whether giving lysine interrupted the absorption of arginine
(but as cats die without the former, it was decided that clearly it
didn't.)

thanks, gloria--i'll add this to my list of references, because altho i've
seen the arginine mentioned before, it was only that once, and i've never
seen this explanation before!

see, together, we're a formidable resource!

MC

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate -

 ...from veterinarypartner.com...

• Oral Lysine
 Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an
 amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce.
 The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine.
 We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with
 lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is
 readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule.
 One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative
 propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this
 compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to
 determine if supplementation has been helpful.

 Gloria




 On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

  Hi Wendy
 
  Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I
  believe the
  addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV
  especially if
  they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to
  whether it
  boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a
  cat that
  does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I
  gave
  Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the
  herpes
  virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
  infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether
  you are
  able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant
  to be
  inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.
 
  I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am
  uncertain
  how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff
  and I
  think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If
  you are
  going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
  changed formulation but is it the plus form.
 
  Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so
  passionate.
  Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going
  far
  longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.
  He lived
  another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got
  real bad
  very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in
  case I can
  help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope
  I am
  not put to the test again.
 
  Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'s

2008-08-03 Thread MaryChristine
yeah, i'd much rather have a slightly plumb FeLV than a scrawny one..
that's an excellent point, too, chris, about being able to see the change
more easily when she DOES stop eating



On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My Tucson is a big cat but still a bit on the heavy side but you know, if
 she doesn't feel well, she instantly stops eating... Not only does it give
 me a signal something's wrong but that extra weight gives us a bit of time
 to figure out what's going on.  Of course, she's a bit of a fusspot and
 what's going on could be she has an upset tummy, has hairballs, is annoyed
 at something or other--But she's had a couple of episodes where her white
 blood count really went down low  and she wouldn't eat much of anything for
 a few days; again having that extra weight helped get her through it.

 Christiane Biagi
 914-632-4672
 Cell:  914-720-6888
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura B
 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:54 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update  ?'s

 Hi All,

 I've been reading through this list, lots of great information!  Been
 trying
 to chime in but having trouble keeping up with the fast pace lately, you
 are
 all very chatty :)  Anyway, Laura, my FeLV + kitty is doing wonderfully.
 She had several days of loose stool, a few weeks back and I think it was
 from the vetri-science treats that I was giving her, they had lysine (she
 has herpes) and DMG in them.  Once I stopped them, she firmed back up
 again.

 She's gained quite a bit of weight, my neighbor/pet sitter (who visits
 Laura
 daily) thinks it might be a bit too much.  But honestly I think having a
 little bit of extra insulalation is good for her, gives her more of a
 buffer if she should become sick.  What do you all think?  She's not fat,
 but she is very solid and borderline a little chunky.  She looks great, all
 of her fur has grown back (she had alot of bald patches when I got her) and
 her coat is shiny and dense.

 She eats a full can and 1/2 of wellness per day (5.5 oz can) plus I free
 feed dry wellness for her.  Since I currently have a very sick 14 year old,
 who won't eat, I'm just thrilled that Laura's appetite is so healthy, maybe
 it's too much, but again, I think she needs a little extra meat on her on
 bones.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-03 Thread Gloria B. Lane
Ain't we great :)

At 02:58 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote:
and someplace susan little writes about what happens if a cat doesn't get
enough arginine--it dies, if i recall the bottom line, and there was some
question about whether giving lysine interrupted the absorption of arginine
(but as cats die without the former, it was decided that clearly it
didn't.)

thanks, gloria--i'll add this to my list of references, because altho i've
seen the arginine mentioned before, it was only that once, and i've never
seen this explanation before!

see, together, we're a formidable resource!

MC

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate -
 
  ...from veterinarypartner.com...
 
 • Oral Lysine
  Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an
  amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce.
  The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine.
  We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with
  lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is
  readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule.
  One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative
  propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this
  compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to
  determine if supplementation has been helpful.
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
 
  On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
   Hi Wendy
  
   Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I
   believe the
   addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV
   especially if
   they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to
   whether it
   boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a
   cat that
   does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I
   gave
   Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the
   herpes
   virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
   infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether
   you are
   able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant
   to be
   inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.
  
   I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am
   uncertain
   how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff
   and I
   think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If
   you are
   going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
   changed formulation but is it the plus form.
  
   Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so
   passionate.
   Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going
   far
   longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.
   He lived
   another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got
   real bad
   very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in
   case I can
   help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope
   I am
   not put to the test again.
  
   Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-03 Thread Gloria B. Lane
Ain't we great :)

At 02:58 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote:
and someplace susan little writes about what happens if a cat doesn't get
enough arginine--it dies, if i recall the bottom line, and there was some
question about whether giving lysine interrupted the absorption of arginine
(but as cats die without the former, it was decided that clearly it
didn't.)

thanks, gloria--i'll add this to my list of references, because altho i've
seen the arginine mentioned before, it was only that once, and i've never
seen this explanation before!

see, together, we're a formidable resource!

MC

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate -
 
  ...from veterinarypartner.com...
 
 • Oral Lysine
  Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an
  amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce.
  The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine.
  We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with
  lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is
  readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule.
  One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative
  propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this
  compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to
  determine if supplementation has been helpful.
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
 
  On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
   Hi Wendy
  
   Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I
   believe the
   addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV
   especially if
   they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to
   whether it
   boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a
   cat that
   does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I
   gave
   Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the
   herpes
   virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
   infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether
   you are
   able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant
   to be
   inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.
  
   I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am
   uncertain
   how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff
   and I
   think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If
   you are
   going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
   changed formulation but is it the plus form.
  
   Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so
   passionate.
   Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going
   far
   longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.
   He lived
   another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got
   real bad
   very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in
   case I can
   help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope
   I am
   not put to the test again.
  
   Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

2008-08-03 Thread Sally Davis
Yep we are. I did not think to add the explanation of how the L Lysine
works.

Thanks Gloria

Sally



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Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update ?'

2008-08-03 Thread Sally Davis
Hi Laura

I have to agree with Sharyl. I kept Junior a bit on the chunky side for the
same reason. He went from a low weight of 10.5 pounds after being DX'd to
about 12.5 pounds which was a little above his normal weight. He was still
chunky when he was sent on his journey. I am glad he did not go through a
wasting stage. He always had a good appetite.

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