[Felvtalk] what's wrong with this picture?

2008-11-02 Thread MaryChristine
or, more accurately, with this article?

written by a vet-school professor, how many factual errors can YOU find in
the first, say, three paragraphs?? everytime i read this, i get
angrier--i want to be able to write to the man, but instead i keep finding
myself wanting to report him to the head of the vet school, the state
licensing board, every rescue and animal-welfare in the contiguous states
who might ever mistakenly bring a cat near him...

perhaps i'm just over-reacting. so i'm asking you folks to read the article,
and see if anything jumps out at you.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081021/HEALTH/810210348/1242/health

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Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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[Felvtalk] Murdoch,Cody,Bijou and London

2008-11-02 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Hi all,as you remember I sent out a prayer and good thought request for these 
babies.Well I am happy to report that all four seem to be doing very good right 
now.Bijou did lose her sight,but we think she can still see shadows.Bijou also 
went home with one of our volunteers and seems very happy.Sorry I took so long 
on the update.Thank you ALL so much for your kind words and prayers.may all of 
you and your fuzzer butts stay healthy.
Sherry and my 5 fuzzer butts Rafferty,CouCous,Xander,Tristan and Mystique


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its aweful gaps.
We still would have it no other way


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Seeking homes for cats after death

2008-11-02 Thread Lorrie
We have the same problem here. A bullet is the easiest way to
dispense with an unwanted animal.  I'm sure most rural areas are
the sam way.

Lorrie

On 11-01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 that is my problem, rural area about 2hrs drive from St. Louis,
 with no no kill sanctuary.  i don't know about your area, but
 around here, a bullet is cheaper and easier than dealing with the
 animal is the general opinion.  they all think i am nuts for taking
 in stray cats and dogs.  l take them in, but bring them in my
 house and take them to the vet and spend all that money!  dorlis



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Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!

2008-11-02 Thread catatonya
I'm sure you've had many responses by now, but the answer is a big no.  I've 
got a 10 year old leukemia positive on my bed with me right now.  Fat, sassy, 
and happy.
  tonya

SALLY NORDSTROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been diagnosed with feline 
leukemia. Is this necessarily a death sentence?



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[Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread catatonya
Hi all,
   
  I know many of you have had experience with fip.  My cat sneaker has chronic 
herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.)  he has difficulty breathing, but his 
lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail.  And he is semiferal and hard 
to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.   Anyway, I've noticed he seems 
to have gained weight in his belly.  Would a cat that is over 10 years old 
harbor fip all that time?  Wouldn't he act sicker if that's what it was?  I've 
got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet food.  So I guess it could just be 
weight gain.. but it's a FAT tummy.  Am I being paranoid.  When he breathes 
through his nose it sounds like he has a cold.  There is no sneezing and he has 
no eye discharge or anything.
  thanks in advance for any ideas.
  tonya



   
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Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!

2008-11-02 Thread Gloria Lane
I've got two that are over 10.  I have 3 that are under 4.  I'm giving  
the ones under 4, daily oral interferon alpha - hopefully help them  
make it past 3 yrs.

Gloria


On Nov 2, 2008, at 4:54 PM, catatonya wrote:

 I'm sure you've had many responses by now, but the answer is a big  
 no.  I've got a 10 year old leukemia positive on my bed with me  
 right now.  Fat, sassy, and happy.
  tonya

 SALLY NORDSTROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been diagnosed with  
 feline leukemia. Is this necessarily a death sentence?




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Sally Davis
Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I was in
college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know there were
not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to
antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was never
seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know he was
losing weight.

Sally


On 11/2/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 I know many of you have had experience with fip.  My cat sneaker has
 chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.)  he has difficulty breathing,
 but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail.  And he is
 semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.   Anyway,
 I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly.  Would a cat that
 is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time?  Wouldn't he act sicker if
 that's what it was?  I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet
 food.  So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT
 tummy.  Am I being paranoid.  When he breathes through his nose it sounds
 like he has a cold.  There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or
 anything.
 thanks in advance for any ideas.
 tonya




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-another fip Q

2008-11-02 Thread Laurieskatz
Hi. Another FIP question. My foster cat Tessa has a large belly. She was
spayed and vet said she was full of fat cells. She kind of sways when she
walks. Another vet examined her and said her belly was firm and not spongy
like an FIP belly would be. Any thoughts? She has mostly been isolated but
is occasionally in areas in common with my cats but no direct cat to cat
contact and no sharing of food or water bowls. She has urinated in their
boxes a couple times. Would anyone here be concerned?
Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

2008-11-02 Thread catatonya
my opinion would be leave them together. they've already been together.  the 
ones that are negative may have been positive and fought it off.  if so they 
are probably now immune.
  t

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  My two cents... even though they were all exposed equally. I would keep them
apart. Repeated exposure is needed for infection to occur. So even though
they are not positive now it could still happen. If you get to the point
where the negative kitens are still negative after a few months and have had
their vaccines you may be able to mix them then. For now I would separate.
IMHO

Sally(in VA)


On 10/29/08, SALLY NORDSTROM wrote:

 Ok, guys, now I need more help! I picked the kittens up tonight and after
 I got home, I saw that only one tested positive. Can the other kittens be
 with her? Even though they tested negative, is the Humane Society worried
 that the others will eventually test positive? I don't understand any of
 this!

 --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
 wrote:

  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM
  Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See
  Jean Dodds'
  and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The
  paragraph below is taken
  from the website.) Kerry M.
 
  http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
 
  All packages of vaccinations carry warnings
  that they should be
  injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats,
  vaccine
  manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or
  nursing cats.
  However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although
  they might
  not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops,
  DVM, a
  holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes
  that
  chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected
  directly into the
  blood stream, which is an unnatural route of
  infection. (7) This causes
  the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the
  offending virus
  molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's
  immune system is too
  weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can
  develop a
  reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that
  is
  introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick
  animals to
  fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to
  which they
  have been vaccinated.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
  SALLY
  NORDSTROM
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests
  positive
 
  Another question. My kittens tested positive with the
  ELISA test. May
  they have their vaccines? Mom gets tested Friday. If
  positive, may she
  have her vaccines? May she be spayed?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!

2008-11-02 Thread SALLY NORDSTROM
Thanks for your response, Tonya.  I found out a lot of things, one of which is 
to stop crying, calm down and get to work.  I have a wonderful vet who looked 
at the paper work and said only 1 of four kittens tested positive.  We tested 
Mom - negative.  We will test the positive kitten with the more definitive test 
in a few weeks.  In the meantime, I need to place the three negatives - I am 
willing to pay for their second ELISA test, and am telling people that we don't 
know right now.  All we know is that they must be the only cats in the house 
until we find out, and that if positive, they can live long and healthy lives 
with other positives.

They are spayed/neutered, have their first shots and have been wormed.  They 
are sociable and self-confident.  If anyone can help out by opening their home, 
or know someone who can, please contact me!

Thanks to everyone on this site who has helped me so much.  Whatever happens, I 
know I'll always have you guys.

Cowardice asks the question, is it safe?    Vanity asks the question, is it 
popular?    But conscience asks the question, is it right?  Dr. Martin Luther 
King, Jr.     Sally   


--- On Sun, 11/2/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 4:54 PM
 I'm sure you've had many responses by now, but the
 answer is a big no.  I've got a 10 year old leukemia
 positive on my bed with me right now.  Fat, sassy, and
 happy.
   tonya
 
 SALLY NORDSTROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been
 diagnosed with feline leukemia. Is this necessarily a death
 sentence?
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

2008-11-02 Thread SALLY NORDSTROM
My vet said to keep them together, that's what I did.  I kinda figured they 
should be separate, but my vet doesn't seem real concerned since Mom tested 
negative.  The way she put it was that right now, anyway, we have 4 negatives 
and a positive.  Apparently, because they are only 8 weeks old, if mom is 
indeed negative, they would have been exposed at about 3-4 weeks old and it 
would be unlikely that mom would have let any other cats that close to them.  
(this is a litter I found in my alley)

Any thoughts?

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:51 PM
 my opinion would be leave them together. they've already
 been together.  the ones that are negative may have been
 positive and fought it off.  if so they are probably now
 immune.
   t
 
 Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   My two cents... even though they were all exposed
 equally. I would keep them
 apart. Repeated exposure is needed for infection to occur.
 So even though
 they are not positive now it could still happen. If you get
 to the point
 where the negative kitens are still negative after a few
 months and have had
 their vaccines you may be able to mix them then. For now I
 would separate.
 IMHO
 
 Sally(in VA)
 
 
 On 10/29/08, SALLY NORDSTROM wrote:
 
  Ok, guys, now I need more help! I picked the kittens
 up tonight and after
  I got home, I saw that only one tested positive. Can
 the other kittens be
  with her? Even though they tested negative, is the
 Humane Society worried
  that the others will eventually test positive? I
 don't understand any of
  this!
 
  --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  wrote:
 
   From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in
 tests positive
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM
   Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a
 positive cat. See
   Jean Dodds'
   and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here.
 (The
   paragraph below is taken
   from the website.) Kerry M.
  
   http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
  
   All packages of vaccinations carry
 warnings
   that they should be
   injected only in healthy animals. In the case of
 cats,
   vaccine
   manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant
 or
   nursing cats.
   However, many pets are not healthy when
 vaccinated although
   they might
   not have outward signs of health problems.
 Charles Loops,
   DVM, a
   holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North
 Carolina, notes
   that
   chemically killed viruses or bacteria are
 injected
   directly into the
   blood stream, which is an unnatural route of
   infection. (7) This causes
   the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight
 off the
   offending virus
   molecules and render them harmless. If the
 animal's
   immune system is too
   weakened, he or she cannot fight off these
 viruses and can
   develop a
   reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a
 virus that
   is
   introduced through a vaccination may be too much
 for sick
   animals to
   fight off. They then may fall ill from the very
 disease to
   which they
   have been vaccinated.
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of
   SALLY
   NORDSTROM
   Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in
 tests
   positive
  
   Another question. My kittens tested positive with
 the
   ELISA test. May
   they have their vaccines? Mom gets tested Friday.
 If
   positive, may she
   have her vaccines? May she be spayed?
  
  
 
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 above by
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread catatonya
thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food.  he's been exposed 
to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year now... 
we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know...
  t

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I was in
college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know there were
not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to
antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was never
seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know he was
losing weight.

Sally


On 11/2/08, catatonya wrote:

 Hi all,

 I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has
 chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty breathing,
 but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is
 semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. Anyway,
 I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a cat that
 is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act sicker if
 that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet
 food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT
 tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it sounds
 like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or
 anything.
 thanks in advance for any ideas.
 tonya




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Beth Noren
Hi Tonya,
I lost one 12 week old to suspected wet FIP 2 years ago.  She had a chronic
URI and began having fevers that stopped responding to antibiotics.  When
her belly very first started to swell I noticed it, but the vet couldn't see
it (or perhaps didn't want me to worry too much prematurely?)  It quickly
became obvious, (swayed, stuck out to the sides, hung way down, felt a bit
like a water balloon) and was accompanied by anorexia and a very pronounced
spine.  From the first signs of swelling to the end was maybe 3 weeks or
less?  Hope sneakers is ok, if he's still eating good and no fevers
then that's a good sign.

Beth

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:49 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food.  he's been
 exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year
 now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know...
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Kelley Saveika
Well, it isn't a matter of harboring FIP.  FIP is a mutation of coronavirus,
which many/most cats, especially those who have been through kill shelters,
have been exposed to at one time or another.  Most cats can carry
coronavirus throughout their lives with no ill effects.  There is no way to
tell in which cats the virus will mutate.  Cats who live in single cat
households generally clear the virus over time, with multiple cat
households.

Wet food does not typically cause weight gain, if anything it would cause
weight loss.

There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule
out FIP.  Most vets do not know about it.  If the cat does indeed have wet
FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think
a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is
wrong.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:02 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

  I know many of you have had experience with fip.  My cat sneaker has
 chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.)  he has difficulty breathing,
 but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail.  And he is
 semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.   Anyway,
 I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly.  Would a cat that
 is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time?  Wouldn't he act sicker if
 that's what it was?  I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet food.
  So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT tummy.  Am I
 being paranoid.  When he breathes through his nose it sounds like he has a
 cold.  There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or anything.
  thanks in advance for any ideas.
  tonya




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-another fip Q

2008-11-02 Thread Beth Noren
Hi Laurie,
If there are no other symptoms (fever, pronounced spine) then I
wouldn't worry.  Wet FIP
normally progresses pretty quickly, from my experience and what I've
read.  When I lost my Alice to it it was maybe 3 weeks or less from first
noticing symptoms to having her so swollen and unresponsive to meds that we
had to pts.
As you may already know, FIP isn't directly contagious from cat to cat.
Instead, the usually harmless but very contagious feline corona virus, which
is present in a majority of shelter and cattery cats, happens to mutate into
deadly FIP within a specific cat.  So it IF Tessa has FIP, your
others likely already have FCoV, even just with limited casual contact, but
unlikely that it would mutate into FIP in another of your cats.
Some strains of FCoV do seem to make deadly mutations easier than others,
and genetics may make some cats more susceptible than others.  In my case,
Alice's siblings are all still here at 2.5 years...

Wouldn't worry too much,
Beth



On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi. Another FIP question. My foster cat Tessa has a large belly. She was
 spayed and vet said she was full of fat cells. She kind of sways when she
 walks. Another vet examined her and said her belly was firm and not spongy
 like an FIP belly would be. Any thoughts? She has mostly been isolated but
 is occasionally in areas in common with my cats but no direct cat to cat
 contact and no sharing of food or water bowls. She has urinated in their
 boxes a couple times. Would anyone here be concerned?
 Thanks
 Laurie et al

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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Beth Noren
I think it's called Rivalta's test?

Beth

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule
 out FIP.  Most vets do not know about it.  If the cat does indeed have wet
 FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think
 a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is
 wrong.



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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Kelley Saveika
That's it - thanks!

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think it's called Rivalta's test?

 Beth


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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Beth Noren
Here's a link with a good explanation:

http://marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html

Beth  :o)

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's it - thanks!

 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I think it's called Rivalta's test?
 
  Beth



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