Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat

2009-02-19 Thread Maria Ianiro
Thank you for all of your opinions and advice.

I went ahead with the feline distemper vaccination. Bernie has been
totally fine since  The vet's plan was to do another shot in 1
month and the final shot a month after that.  I think once the kitten
series is done, I may stop.  Bernie is an indoor cat and the frequent
visits to the vet are changing his personality. He is very scared of
strangers and car rides now.  Additionally, every vet visit adds up...
normally it is  1 vet visit fee and the shots... this is 3 vet visit
fees and shots.

My vet also explained to me that Bernie was more likely to have a
reaction to the shot because he is allergic to it rather than from
being felv+.  I'm sure there are many opinions on that subject though.

MaryChristine...you mentioned that research seemed to have stopped for
so long and just recently have begun again.  Are there any non profit
groups out there actively researching this disease?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat

2009-02-19 Thread Jane Lyons

Hi Maria
There is a current, non profit research project being conducted by  
Dr. Jean Dodds DVM
and Dr. Ronald Schultz called the Rabies Challenge (Google it). It is  
a seven year project
in which they intend to prove that one rabies vaccination will  
protect an animal for its lifetime.

Rabies is the first vaccine in the project.
It is also their belief that animals are over vaccinated and that the  
economics of veterinary
practices are dependent on yearly (now 3year) vaccination protocols.   
Between pharmaceutical
companies and professional group pressure, many vets choose not to  
change or re-examine

their protocols.
Happy that Bernie is fine.
Jane



On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Maria Ianiro wrote:


Thank you for all of your opinions and advice.

I went ahead with the feline distemper vaccination. Bernie has been
totally fine since  The vet's plan was to do another shot in 1
month and the final shot a month after that.  I think once the kitten
series is done, I may stop.  Bernie is an indoor cat and the frequent
visits to the vet are changing his personality. He is very scared of
strangers and car rides now.  Additionally, every vet visit adds up...
normally it is  1 vet visit fee and the shots... this is 3 vet visit
fees and shots.

My vet also explained to me that Bernie was more likely to have a
reaction to the shot because he is allergic to it rather than from
being felv+.  I'm sure there are many opinions on that subject though.

MaryChristine...you mentioned that research seemed to have stopped for
so long and just recently have begun again.  Are there any non profit
groups out there actively researching this disease?

Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] Shots when FelV pos.

2009-02-19 Thread Heather
Was it an anaphylactic shock reaction?   I lost a 5 month old little feral
girl, she died right after having her rabies shot--she was not tested though
I'm guessing likely negative.

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 I had a 5 month old kitten die when he got his shots. I didn't know
 he was even positive for FelV until he got his shots, and when he got
 terribly sick I rushed him to the vet and he was FelV pos.  I should
 add this was a kitten I planned to adopt out, and it was his second
 shot which I gave him.  I usually give the shots because it is SO
 expensive to take kittens to the vet. I have given shots many times,
 which I'm sure a lot of you do, and this is the first and only time
 I had problems.  After this I had to test all the rest of the kittens
 from that litter, and half were FelV pos and the rest neg.

 Lorrie

 On 02-18, Jane Lyons wrote:
  Hi
  I would think twice about vaccinating a positive kitten. I know that
  the vet that
  I use would not vaccinate a positive cat because vaccines can stress
  and assault
  a fragile and compromised immune system.
 
   Can you postpone the appointment and give yourself some
  time to do some research and talk to other people for different
  viewpoints?
  Does your kitten go outdoors?
 
  There is a really good book on the subject that describes the
  benefits and risks
  associated with vaccines.
   http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Guide-Dogs-Cats-Should/dp/1881217345/
  ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=123
 
  I know this subject is controversial subject, but I think it is worth
  taking the time to educate
  yourself on all the possibilities.
 
  Jane

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[Felvtalk] Shots when FelV pos.

2009-02-19 Thread Lorrie
No it wasn't anaphylactic shock or the kitten would have died right
away.  She got sick the next day.  She was so weak she just fell
over and apparently the shot stressed her immune system too much. 
She must have been fairly far advanced with FelV, as she was always 
much more quiet than the other kittens.  

On 02-19, Heather wrote:
 Was it an anaphylactic shock reaction?   I lost a 5 month old little feral
 girl, she died right after having her rabies shot--she was not tested though
 I'm guessing likely negative.
 
 On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:
 
  I had a 5 month old kitten die when he got his shots. I didn't know
  he was even positive for FelV until he got his shots, and when he got
  terribly sick I rushed him to the vet and he was FelV pos.  I should
  add this was a kitten I planned to adopt out, and it was his second
  shot which I gave him.  I usually give the shots because it is SO
  expensive to take kittens to the vet. I have given shots many times,
  which I'm sure a lot of you do, and this is the first and only time
  I had problems.  After this I had to test all the rest of the kittens
  from that litter, and half were FelV pos and the rest neg.
 
  Lorrie
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat

2009-02-19 Thread Christy Buchin

We decided to by pass the vaccines for our FeLV cat.  We figure his body has 
been through enough, so we did not want to subject him to the exposure.  Our 
Vet agreed with that decision.
 
 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:59:20 -0500
 From: mian...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat
 
 Hi everyone
 
 
 My kitten Bernie was diagnosed with Felv about 2 months after we got him
 home from the shelter. He was on interferon for 45 days, retested, and is
 still positive. When we got him from the shelter he did not have his second
 set of vaccinations yet. He is now 8 months old.
 
 I am taking him to the vet tonight to get the shots. The vet said she would
 split up the doses so his body could handle them. I think I will go back in
 3 weeks and get the rest. I am still a little nervous about him getting the
 shots and becoming sick.
 
 He was symptom free for about 40 days and then he had a bad day where he
 wouldn't eat. Otherwise, he has been acting like a normal kitten. No more
 soft stool, good appetite (besides his bad day), good energy. Still give
 him interferon once a day.
 
 Has anyone had an experience with the vaccinations? Is there a good chance
 he could die from the shots? I know he needs them.. but I am nervous about
 it.
 
 Also, I decided to keep my non Felv cat (Brady) with Bernie. The vet told us
 to get Brady re-tested in 3 1/2 months. He tested negative the first time.
 My question is, how often should you have your non Felv Cat tested? I was
 thinking once a year would be ok? Every 3 1/2 months sounds like too
 much.
 
 Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Assisted Feeding

2009-02-19 Thread Christy Buchin

Dawn,

I am not sure what State you live in, however, the first transfusion for a cat 
can be from any donor cat.  After that however, you need to have the correct 
type.  Because our cat has B blood, which is very rare, we searched and found a 
animal blood bank that was within driving distance for us.  You can also have 
it shipped express.  It cost about $200 for the blood.  Just an FYI in case you 
did not know about that.

Best Wishes!  
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:42:30 -0500
 From: mdgallo...@aol.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Assisted Feeding
 
 Thank you all so much for your information and especially for your kind words 
 and prayers. Macy has been sleeping most of the day and when she does walk, 
 she tires so easily and her back legs seem to be going. I had to go to 
 physical therapy today and who cam in but the vet. I gave her the update and 
 she said that she needs a transfusion. My son, the vet tech, has 7 cats so 
 he's taking them in tomorrow to see if any of them are a match. I also have a 
 negative cat that they'll check. Unfortunately, my husband and I have to go 
 out of town tomorrow and won't return until Sunday evening. It is a comfort 
 that she'll be in good hands with my son.
 
 Please pray that we'll find a donor and that the transfusion is successful. 
 Thank you all so much.
 
 Dawn
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat

2009-02-19 Thread gblane
Sorry, didn't see your message till today.

I've had 10 or 15 FELV cats over the last 6 years.  I have 5 now.  Two of the
current cats, Oliver and Chloe, came from a lady in Oklahoma who had to give
them up because of family problems.  Her vet there vaccinated them regularly
against FELV, as a way to deal with the FELV.  I'd never heard of that,  always
believed that was not appropriate.  HOWEVER -  these are the only FELV cats I've
had that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure.

had that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure. Anyhow - I also have a friend
with 1 FELV and 1 non-FELV cat who are great buddies, had them since they were
kittens.  She's kept the FELV cat on interferon daily, and they're doing great -
now beyond 4 years old, no problems.  She's had them tested once or twice - the
FELV- cat stays negative.

Gloria




Christy Buchin cstet...@hotmail.com wrote :


 We decided to by pass the vaccines for our FeLV cat.  We figure his body has
 been through enough, so we did not want to subject him to the exposure.  Our

 gt; Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:59:20 -0500
 gt; From: mian...@gmail.com
 gt; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 gt; Subject: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat
 gt;
 gt; Hi everyone
 gt;
 gt;
 gt; My kitten Bernie was diagnosed with Felv about 2 months after we got him
 gt; home from the shelter. He was on interferon for 45 days, retested, and is
 Vet agreed with that decision. gt; still positive. When we got him from the
 gt; set of vaccinations yet. He is now 8 months old.
 gt;
 shelter he did not have his second gt; I am taking him to the vet tonight to
 get the shots. The vet said she would gt; split up the doses so his body
 could handle them. I think I will go back in gt; 3 weeks and get the rest. I
 gt; shots and becoming sick.
 gt;
 gt; He was symptom free for about 40 days and then he had a bad day where he
 gt; wouldn't eat. Otherwise, he has been acting like a normal kitten. No more
 gt; soft stool, good appetite (besides his bad day), good energy. Still give
 gt; him interferon once a day.
 gt;
 am still a little nervous about him getting the gt; Has anyone had an
 experience with the vaccinations? Is there a good chance gt; he could die
 gt; it.
 gt;
 from the shots? I know he needs them.. but I am nervous about gt; Also, I
 decided to keep my non Felv cat (Brady) with Bernie. The vet told us gt; to
 gt; My question is, how often should you have your non Felv Cat tested? I was
 gt; thinking once a year would be ok? Every 3 1/2 months sounds like too
 gt; much.
 gt;
 gt; Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat

2009-02-19 Thread Laurieskatz
Well this is VERY interesting to me. My FeLV+ cats were always vaccinated
for FeLV, too (before AND after the vet knew they were positive). Stripes
lived to 16 years and Squeaky lived to age 22 years.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
gbl...@aristotle.net
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: gbl...@aristotle.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat

Sorry, didn't see your message till today.

I've had 10 or 15 FELV cats over the last 6 years.  I have 5 now.  Two of
the
current cats, Oliver and Chloe, came from a lady in Oklahoma who had to give
them up because of family problems.  Her vet there vaccinated them regularly
against FELV, as a way to deal with the FELV.  I'd never heard of that,
always
believed that was not appropriate.  HOWEVER -  these are the only FELV cats
I've
had that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure.

had that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure. Anyhow - I also have a friend
with 1 FELV and 1 non-FELV cat who are great buddies, had them since they
were
kittens.  She's kept the FELV cat on interferon daily, and they're doing
great -
now beyond 4 years old, no problems.  She's had them tested once or twice -
the
FELV- cat stays negative.

Gloria




Christy Buchin cstet...@hotmail.com wrote :


 We decided to by pass the vaccines for our FeLV cat.  We figure his body
has
 been through enough, so we did not want to subject him to the exposure.
Our

 gt; Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:59:20 -0500
 gt; From: mian...@gmail.com
 gt; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 gt; Subject: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat
 gt;
 gt; Hi everyone
 gt;
 gt;
 gt; My kitten Bernie was diagnosed with Felv about 2 months after we got
him
 gt; home from the shelter. He was on interferon for 45 days, retested,
and is
 Vet agreed with that decision. gt; still positive. When we got him from
the
 gt; set of vaccinations yet. He is now 8 months old.
 gt;
 shelter he did not have his second gt; I am taking him to the vet tonight
to
 get the shots. The vet said she would gt; split up the doses so his body
 could handle them. I think I will go back in gt; 3 weeks and get the
rest. I
 gt; shots and becoming sick.
 gt;
 gt; He was symptom free for about 40 days and then he had a bad day where
he
 gt; wouldn't eat. Otherwise, he has been acting like a normal kitten. No
more
 gt; soft stool, good appetite (besides his bad day), good energy. Still
give
 gt; him interferon once a day.
 gt;
 am still a little nervous about him getting the gt; Has anyone had an
 experience with the vaccinations? Is there a good chance gt; he could die
 gt; it.
 gt;
 from the shots? I know he needs them.. but I am nervous about gt; Also, I
 decided to keep my non Felv cat (Brady) with Bernie. The vet told us gt;
to
 gt; My question is, how often should you have your non Felv Cat tested? I
was
 gt; thinking once a year would be ok? Every 3 1/2 months sounds like too
 gt; much.
 gt;
 gt; Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV vaccine for FelV positive cats?

2009-02-19 Thread Lorrie
Hi, Gloria,  Let me get this straightYour vet vaccinated FelV
positive cats with the FelV vaccine to deal with FelV.  I understood
that once a cat was FelV positive the vaccine was not going to change
it's status, and the cat would still remain positive.  Does anyone else
know anything about this?

Lorrie


 On 02-19,
gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 Sorry, didn't see your message till today.
 
 I've had 10 or 15 FELV cats over the last 6 years.  I have 5 now. 
 Two of the current cats, Oliver and Chloe, came from a lady in
 Oklahoma who had to give them up because of family problems.  Her
 vet there vaccinated them regularly against FELV, as a way to deal
 with the FELV.  I'd never heard of that, always believed that was
 not appropriate.  HOWEVER - these are the only FELV cats I've had
 that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure.
 
 had that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure. Anyhow - I also have
 a friend with 1 FELV and 1 non-FELV cat who are great buddies, had
 them since they were kittens.  She's kept the FELV cat on
 interferon daily, and they're doing great - now beyond 4 years old,
 no problems.  She's had them tested once or twice - the FELV- cat
 stays negative.
 
 Gloria
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV vaccine for FelV positive cats?

2009-02-19 Thread TANYA NOE
At the clinic where I work we only usually give positive cats the distemper 
portion. The FELV portion is of no value good or bad to a positive cat. In fact 
it is yet another vaccine component the cats body must deal with.
Hope this heps.
Tanya


--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV vaccine for FelV positive cats?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 4:33 PM
 Hi, Gloria,  Let me get this straightYour vet
 vaccinated FelV
 positive cats with the FelV vaccine to deal with FelV.  I
 understood
 that once a cat was FelV positive the vaccine was not going
 to change
 it's status, and the cat would still remain positive. 
 Does anyone else
 know anything about this?
 
 Lorrie
 
 
  On 02-19,
 gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
  Sorry, didn't see your message till today.
  
  I've had 10 or 15 FELV cats over the last 6 years.
  I have 5 now. 
  Two of the current cats, Oliver and Chloe, came from a
 lady in
  Oklahoma who had to give them up because of family
 problems.  Her
  vet there vaccinated them regularly against FELV, as a
 way to deal
  with the FELV.  I'd never heard of that, always
 believed that was
  not appropriate.  HOWEVER - these are the only FELV
 cats I've had
  that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure.
  
  had that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure. Anyhow
 - I also have
  a friend with 1 FELV and 1 non-FELV cat who are great
 buddies, had
  them since they were kittens.  She's kept the FELV
 cat on
  interferon daily, and they're doing great - now
 beyond 4 years old,
  no problems.  She's had them tested once or twice
 - the FELV- cat
  stays negative.
  
  Gloria
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV vaccine for FelV positive cats?

2009-02-19 Thread G. Lane
Well, not exactly - what actually happened was I obtained 2 cats from 
a lady in Oklahoma, and she was a vet tech.  She knew they were FELV 
positive, and had them for several years.  HER VET (not mine) had 
vaccinated them for FELV regularly, and believed that it was helpful 
to FELV cats.


I took the cats (here in Arkansas) when she had a family problem and 
couldn't keep the cats.  I have not continued the FELV 
vaccinations.  The cats are fine.


Actually we took 4 cats - kind of long story, but they first went to 
a rescue in Missouri, for a few weeks, and then we got them in 
Arkansas.  One cat died (fatty liver - hepatic lipidosis, as I 
recall).  Another cat died after I was gone on vacation for 2 weeks 
(stress perhaps?).  The other two remaining cats have continued to 
prosper.  I haven't had them tested or vaccinated since I got 
them.I've had them for a few years, have to check when I got them.


Gloria




At 03:33 PM 2/19/2009, you wrote:

Hi, Gloria,  Let me get this straightYour vet vaccinated FelV
positive cats with the FelV vaccine to deal with FelV.  I understood
that once a cat was FelV positive the vaccine was not going to change
it's status, and the cat would still remain positive.  Does anyone else
know anything about this?

Lorrie


 On 02-19,
gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 Sorry, didn't see your message till today.

 I've had 10 or 15 FELV cats over the last 6 years.  I have 5 now.
 Two of the current cats, Oliver and Chloe, came from a lady in
 Oklahoma who had to give them up because of family problems.  Her
 vet there vaccinated them regularly against FELV, as a way to deal
 with the FELV.  I'd never heard of that, always believed that was
 not appropriate.  HOWEVER - these are the only FELV cats I've had
 that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure.

 had that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure. Anyhow - I also have
 a friend with 1 FELV and 1 non-FELV cat who are great buddies, had
 them since they were kittens.  She's kept the FELV cat on
 interferon daily, and they're doing great - now beyond 4 years old,
 no problems.  She's had them tested once or twice - the FELV- cat
 stays negative.

 Gloria


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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV vaccine for FelV positive cats?

2009-02-19 Thread G. Lane
Well, not exactly - what actually happened was I obtained 2 cats from 
a lady in Oklahoma, and she was a vet tech.  She knew they were FELV 
positive, and had them for several years.  HER VET (not mine) had 
vaccinated them for FELV regularly, and believed that it was helpful 
to FELV cats.


I took the cats (here in Arkansas) when she had a family problem and 
couldn't keep the cats.  I have not continued the FELV 
vaccinations.  The cats are fine.


Actually we took 4 cats - kind of long story, but they first went to 
a rescue in Missouri, for a few weeks, and then we got them in 
Arkansas.  One cat died (fatty liver - hepatic lipidosis, as I 
recall).  Another cat died after I was gone on vacation for 2 weeks 
(stress perhaps?).  The other two remaining cats have continued to 
prosper.  I haven't had them tested or vaccinated since I got 
them.I've had them for a few years, have to check when I got them.


Gloria




At 03:33 PM 2/19/2009, you wrote:

Hi, Gloria,  Let me get this straightYour vet vaccinated FelV
positive cats with the FelV vaccine to deal with FelV.  I understood
that once a cat was FelV positive the vaccine was not going to change
it's status, and the cat would still remain positive.  Does anyone else
know anything about this?

Lorrie


 On 02-19,
gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 Sorry, didn't see your message till today.

 I've had 10 or 15 FELV cats over the last 6 years.  I have 5 now.
 Two of the current cats, Oliver and Chloe, came from a lady in
 Oklahoma who had to give them up because of family problems.  Her
 vet there vaccinated them regularly against FELV, as a way to deal
 with the FELV.  I'd never heard of that, always believed that was
 not appropriate.  HOWEVER - these are the only FELV cats I've had
 that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure.

 had that live beyond 10 years old.  Go figure. Anyhow - I also have
 a friend with 1 FELV and 1 non-FELV cat who are great buddies, had
 them since they were kittens.  She's kept the FELV cat on
 interferon daily, and they're doing great - now beyond 4 years old,
 no problems.  She's had them tested once or twice - the FELV- cat
 stays negative.

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