Re: [Felvtalk] for Kelley OT

2009-08-03 Thread Kelley Saveika
You are SO VERY welcome!
I strongly urge you to read his book - if it is not available at your local
library,  you can get it at Amazon used very cheaply.
http://tinyurl.com/lv2rl4
*
*
*If he comes anywhere near you at all to speak - please do attend.  It will
change your life.  And have your tissues ready.  He is my hero.  I have
heard him speak 3 times now.  I will drive anywhere within an 800 mile
radius just to hear him.  He is that powerful.*

*P.S.  He does not believe in killing FELV+ cats, just because they are
FELV+.
*
I have a copy of his book he signed for me - it says Never doubt we will
succeed,  and though I am not superhuman like he is, and I do sometimes
doubt, when I do doubt I get out my book and look at it and it helps.

Thank you so much for the compliment:):):)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

2009-08-03 Thread Sharyl

Iva, you have already received some great advise.  All any of us can do is 
relate our experiences.  I've had 6 indoor positive kitties mixed with my 
negatives who had their FeLV vaccine and booster.  My negatives get an annual 
FeLV vaccine.  My positives are rescues born with FeLV.  I've lost 3 before 
they were a yr old but the other 3 are 1 and 2 yrs old.  I also have a colony 
I'm TNRing where at least 2 of the females are positive.  It's been 2 yrs since 
I have them spayed and they are still doing OK in the colony.  

I'm glad to read that you have reconsidered PTS.  You don't need to give your 
vet any research as to why you want to keep Becca.  She is your kitty and it is 
your decision.  If the vet won't support your decision then find another vet.
Sharyl

--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:50 AM
 My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was
 diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief history: I adopted
 Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart
 when they were a few months old. They had both been tested
 FeLV negative. But I did notice that a week after I brought
 them home Becca developed large lymph nodes around her neck
 that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought nothing of it and
 thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both came
 home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just
 reacting to it pretty badly. 
  
 Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and
 Casanova) from my neighbor, both FeLV
 negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around
 the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of
 them (Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well,
 a few months ago Kiera was diagnosed with FeLV and was in
 the end stages. She was only 11 months old. I had no choice
 but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed she
 already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped
 eating, and one of the tumors was blocking her intestines.
 There was no hope for her. It was extremely hard to take as
 she was the only furbaby I had really bonded with at that
 point.
  
 Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my
 remaining kitties. We still have no idea how they got it,
 but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart or the SPCA?  They
 are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other
 kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested
 my three remaining cats and one was positive. She has no
 symptoms aside from some bad gum inflammation. She's fairly
 healthy and extremely active. The vet recommended I put her
 to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed and
 the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after
 researching and looking around it appears that 1. If the
 other cats haven't caught it by now chances are they might
 not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy kitties are
 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties
 vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and
 think that after they get their boosters the odds might be
 even slimmer of them getting infected. For
  now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I
 was planning on releasing her in three weeks after the other
 two kitties get their booster shots. 
  
 Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the
 others eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I
 don't want to continue to risk them either. It looks like
 based on my research it is rare for adult cats to get FeLV,
 and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a
 year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good?
 I have to call the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and
 ask for some antibiotics instead, and I want to have some
 good reasons to give her for my change of heart, along with
 some good documentation she can research. I figure I can
 always use the next three weeks to think the decision
 through but if I put her down I can't take it back.  I
 don't know how much longer I'd have with her... but doing
 this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. 
  
 I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last
 kitty, who died from Renal Failure. He was given a few
 months to live and lived for three years under my care. I'm
 not afraid of a little work if it means quality of life for
 her and more time together with minimal risk to my other
 angels.
  
 Help??
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

2009-08-03 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Hi, Iva --

I'm so sorry you lost little Kiera. But that sounds like the right decision
to make for her. 

But for Becca -- you are absolutely right not to kill a healthy cat.  You've
taken the proper precautions with the other kitties. Others on this list
have discovered too late that one of their cats is positive, and still
their healthy cats have not caught FeLV.  You're right, an FeLV+ cat is not
a hotbed of infection to healthy, vaccinated adult cats.

I think probably a lot of people on this list will advise you to run
screaming from a vet who advises euthanizing a cat just in case. You don't
have to justify your decision not to kill Becca to anyone including the vet.
If she's not good with that, and will not use this as an opportunity to get
up to speed on FeLV (and continues to tell people to kill healthy cats!) you
should really look for another vet. You can call around and ask the vets'
philosophy on FeLV. 

Good luck with Becca. I know you'll get lots of good advice on this list.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Iva Lark Emily
Seaberg
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief
history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart
when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative.
But I did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large
lymph nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought
nothing of it and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both
came home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to
it pretty badly. 
 
Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my
neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around
the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them
(Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera
was diagnosed with FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months
old. I had no choice but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed
she already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and
one of the tumors was blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It
was extremely hard to take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded
with at that point.
 
Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We
still have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart
or the SPCA?  They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other
kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three
remaining cats and one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad
gum inflammation. She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet
recommended I put her to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed
and the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after researching and
looking around it appears that 1. If the other cats haven't caught it by now
chances are they might not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy
kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties
vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and think that after
they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of them getting
infected. For  now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I
was planning on releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get
their booster shots. 
 
Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others
eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue
to risk them either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult
cats to get FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a
year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call
the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics
instead, and I want to have some good reasons to give her for my change of
heart, along with some good documentation she can research. I figure I can
always use the next three weeks to think the decision through but if I put
her down I can't take it back.  I don't know how much longer I'd have with
her... but doing this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. 
 
I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died
from Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three
years under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of
life for her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels.
 
Help??
 
Iva
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

2009-08-03 Thread MaryChristine
regardless of how becca became infected, everyone in the house has
already been exposed to her by now, and euthanizing her is like the
proverbial shutting the barn door.

as others have said, adults cats have a very high level of immunity to
the virus--suggest that your vet read
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia
for the 70% stat. additionally, NEW research is showing that even in
those cats who do continue to test positive, some of them never
progress to becoming systematic, and are not actually contagious.
(that info was given in a petsmart webinar late last year, and i
haven't been able to find the actual citation.)

also, as mentioned, there is NO evidence of a vaccinated TRUE negative
(ie, one tested twice, with enough time in between tests for the virus
to actually have taken hold) ever to become positive from living with
a TRUE positive (likewise, one tested twice, to make sure that it
doesn't throw the virus off.) there are many folks who have had
vaccinated negatives living with positives for many years, with NO
infection.

everyone, and everything living is gonna die at some point--and when
we start killing off things because they MIGHT get sick at some point,
it doesn't bode well for any living thing. it's awful to find out that
one has inadvertently exposed one of our furkids to an illness, but
once it's happened, it's happened--i know i don't stop loving the
positive one

glad you found us.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

2009-08-03 Thread Sander, Sue
-+

Rebecca,  Thank you for this valuable information.

Susan 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

regardless of how becca became infected, everyone in the house has
already been exposed to her by now, and euthanizing her is like the
proverbial shutting the barn door.

as others have said, adults cats have a very high level of immunity to
the virus--suggest that your vet read
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=
feline%2cleukemia
for the 70% stat. additionally, NEW research is showing that even in
those cats who do continue to test positive, some of them never progress
to becoming systematic, and are not actually contagious.
(that info was given in a petsmart webinar late last year, and i haven't
been able to find the actual citation.)

also, as mentioned, there is NO evidence of a vaccinated TRUE negative
(ie, one tested twice, with enough time in between tests for the virus
to actually have taken hold) ever to become positive from living with a
TRUE positive (likewise, one tested twice, to make sure that it doesn't
throw the virus off.) there are many folks who have had vaccinated
negatives living with positives for many years, with NO infection.

everyone, and everything living is gonna die at some point--and when we
start killing off things because they MIGHT get sick at some point, it
doesn't bode well for any living thing. it's awful to find out that one
has inadvertently exposed one of our furkids to an illness, but once
it's happened, it's happened--i know i don't stop loving the positive
one

glad you found us.





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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue
(www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)

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[Felvtalk] How to long to separate negative/positive kitties?

2009-08-03 Thread Iva Lark Emily Seaberg
Thank you everyone for the warm welcome! It was very reassuring to read all of 
your posts, especially those with multi-cat mixed households. I spoke to the 
vet this morning and she was actually ok with my decision, but she wants me to 
keep my positive kitty isolated for now. She didn't say how long, though I know 
she is hoping for indefinitely. We are putting Becca on antibiotics for her 
oral inflammation and then steroids, which I know will temporarily decrease her 
immune system more but could be worth it in helping her fight the virus back? 
 
Anyway, here is my dilemna. Currently, Becca is isolated in my master 
bedroom/bath. All the cats are unhappy about this. The two negative kitties sit 
outside the door and reach their paws under to her. They meow at me with a 
clear Umm, Mom we want our sister back. and they try and sneak in there. She 
in turn tries to sneak out and is seeming a bit down. She's exceptionally 
affectionate when we go in there, more so than usual, but she's not eating as 
much and seems almost a bit depressed. She kept me up all night trying to love 
on me. I also know it is a small space and can get lonely. Now, I've read what 
everyone said about stressing her and I don't want to do that, so here's my 
dilemna. How long should she be quarantined for? The negative kitties JUST got 
their first vaccine on Friday and won't be at full protection until they get 
their boosters in 2.5 weeks. Should I keep her in there until at least then? 
Should I just let her out now? I really
 really want to minimize the negative's risk of exposure because I don't want 
them to be infected. 
 
I did read the articles everyone mentioned and it was still unclear to me where 
in the articles it says that it is safe to expose a negative to a positive. It 
still said they could infect, but no odds were mentioned, so therefore they 
should be separated. See below:
 
Uninfected cats in a household with infected cats should be vaccinated; 
however, other means of protecting uninfected cats (eg, physical separation) 
should also be used. Constant exposure to FeLV-infected cats is likely to 
result in viral transmission regardless of vaccination status. 
 
In ~70% of adult cats, viremia and virus shedding are transient, lasting only 
1-16 wk. A few cats continue to shed virus in secretions for several weeks to 
months after they cease to be viremic. Virus may persist in bone marrow for a 
longer period, but even this latent, or sequestered, infection usually 
disappears within 6 mo. Some FeLV-exposed cats (~30%) do not mount an adequate 
immune response and go on to become persistently (ie, permanently) viremic. 
Persistently viremic cats develop fatal diseases after a variable time period
 
What if she's just now in the shedding stage? Is she considered persisently 
viremic at this point as she's had gum issues for a few months? Does that mean 
she is currently shedding the virus?
 
I almost wonder if the positives that aren't infecting the negatives aren't at 
the viral shedding stage.  Is it really safe to expose the other kitties? 
Should I keep her quarantined for the next 2.5 weeks or does it really matter? 
I'm torn. On one hand I don't want to stress her unnecessarily, especially when 
I'm about to have to give her antibiotics twice a day and steroids twice a day. 
She is going to hate that. I don't want her to lose weight either, she's always 
been a tiny, dainty thing and she doesn't have any weight to lose! On the other 
hand I don't want to infect my other babies and I can't help but worry that to 
let her out now, before they have full vaccine protection at least, much less 
before the steroids have a chance to calm her virus down would be to stack the 
odds against them. 
 
I need advice!
 
Iva
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Re: [Felvtalk] How to long to separate negative/positive kitties?

2009-08-03 Thread Belinda Sauro
Almost all of the info you are going to find online is outdated.  My 
vet told me the vaccination is 85 to 90% effective and that an adult cat 
has little chance of getting infected, even if not vaccinated.  All I 
can say is Bailey lived with as many as 8 house mates and not one of 
them ever became FeLV +.  He and Joey were best buds and they would 
groom, even touching tongue to tongue and I had Joey PRC (DNA test) 
tested to make sure and he was negative.  Bailey lived with his house 
mates for 11 years so I feel pretty comfortable mixing.  If I were to 
have another positive I wouldn't be worried about mixing as long as they 
weren't viciously hostile to each other.


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