Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Fluid buildup in the chest

2009-10-24 Thread Gloria B. Lane

Hey James,

I've had several FELV cats that developed mediastinal lymphoma.  I  
tried chemo with one of them, but in general, the (traditional)   
treatment was prednisone, and drain the fluid. So I'd take the kitty  
in periodically to have the fluid drained. When they got anemic, then  
1 blood transfusion.


There may be newer or alternative treatments, I hope so.

Ironic, when my sister got sick in NYC in 2003 - breast cancer - and  
got fluid (ascites) in her chest cavity, I said how about draining  
the fluid? and they did. I learned from the cats.  Course the fluid  
always comes back.


I'm so sorry -

Gloria


On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:28 PM, James G Wilson wrote:


Hey all,

Sorry for the off-topic post. But, my male cat, LG, is sick.
Took him to the vet this morning because he wasn't
breathing right. He had 288cc's of fluid built up around his
heart and lungs :( :( :(  They drained the fluid, and his
color came back almost immediately. He's on prednisone
and a diuretic to help curb the fluid buildup...
Unfortunately, there were lots of leukocytes in the fluid
which means a great chance of lymphatic cancer :( :( :(
The prednisone is giving him his appetite back at least.
He hadn't eaten in two days now... And, he was already
too thin.

Does anyone here have any experience with all of this?
LG is twelve years old and quite healthy otherwise.
Thanks for any and all assistance. Best wishes to
everyone!

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Fluid buildup in the chest

2009-10-24 Thread Gloria B. Lane

Very interesting - thanks for posting that -

Gloria


On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:00 PM, S. Jewell wrote:


Belinda,



You would not have heard of it, unless you follow the likes
of Robert Cathcart
http://www.orthomed.com/publications1.html , Linus
Pauling, Hugh Riordan, Irwin Stone, and Ewan Cameron, etc.
regarding intravenous sodium ascorbate for treating disease.




For the past decade I have worked in the distribution of the
Pauling therapy (vitamin C/lysine) for reversing coronary
artery plaques (www.HeartTech.com
http://www.hearttech.com/ ) and as such have many
connections in the alternative medicine circles including
groups that currently treat cancers including stage IV with
intravenous ascorbate, with frequent remissions (especially
with lymphoma).



I also knew about this from my familiarity with Dr.
Cathcart's protocol for intravenous vitamin C in veterinary
medicine.  See
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int
_assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm.



I am also acquainted with Wendell Belfield,
http://www.belfield.com/  DVM, now retired, who knew Linus
Pauling and who in his vet practice reversed FeLV
http://www.belfield.com/pet_health_art2.php  in the early
stages with high dose oral vitamin C, as well as FIP, and
also hip dysplasia, distemper and parvo in dogs.



Lastly, again, this therapy is used at Smith Ridge
Veterinary Clinic in Salem, New York and I have consulted
with Dr. Martin Goldstein and one of his associates on
separate occasions.



To my knowledge, Linus' lymphoma is not mediastinal, as
there has been no fluid retention and no chest mass.  His
spleen remains slightly enlarged, as well as his
submandibular and popliteal lymph nodes.  He is due for a
complete exam, x-rays and workup to see if his remission is
maintaining and whether we need to begin the intravenous
ascorbate again.  After his terminal diagnosis last May 2008
he underwent IV drips during June, July and August and did
fine until his foster caregiver dumped him in January of
this year and I noticed the lymph glands enlarging again
somewhat.  At that time a different vet suggested palliative
care only, though we had come too far not to try and repeat
the drips, which I did again from January through March.



He has had no drip since March and remains active, healthy,
and happy, though the lymph nodes are still palpable.  He
will likely get some more drips in the coming month
depending on what his next workup shows.  The drips are very
benign and do not cause him much discomfort other than
placement of the catheter.  Also, because he has received a
good number of drips the skin on his forearms has toughened
and it has become more difficult to find a place to insert
the catheter (the last was placed in his back leg, which was
a bit more uncomfortable to place).  His cathethers are left
in place for 2-3 days, depending on what he will allow, and
he usually receives two drips in that period of
approximately 12 grams each in ringer's solution (worked up
to over time).



Lukey was Linus' best friend and we never expected Lukey to
die first.  A flood in Louisville back in August triggered
what we now suspect in Lukey was dry FIP, though at the time
it went undiagnosed and the focus was placed on
administering the Imulan LTCI.  Had I known we were dealing
with FIP, we may well have reversed it using the same
protocol as we used for Linus.  In fact, Lukey received two
IV vitamin C drips and with each he seemed improved, though
again, we didn't really know that we may be dealing with FIP
at that time and so I did not think to continue the
intravenous drips, thinking that they would do little to
help his nonregenerative anemia that began to appear weeks
after his initial possible FIP symptoms of anorexia,
lethargy, borderline low lymphocyte count, and chronic fever
that we could not attribute to infection, etc.  In
retrospect, that is exactly what we should have done for the
FIP symptoms.





Sally Jewell





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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread gary
Hi Belinda,

Sorry your little kitty is so sick, an HCT of 16% is serious, but not yet
critical.  The critical part is how fast it is dropping, 10% and under is
critical.  I have had a couple that were so fast nothing could be done.

Now the bad news, you missed.  There wouldn't be much wetness from .15 cc
and there won't be any if it goes in. The dosage is almost correct (probably
close enough) but the actual correct dosage is .16 cc.  If it were me, I
would do it again, even if some of it got in, he needs the whole dose and a
bit over won't hurt him.  I have had a couple of misses myself and there is
just what seems to be a tiny bit of wetness.  If you want to check and see
just how little fluid that really is, just use one of the old syringes and
take up .15 of water and squirt it on his fur.

I don't want to discourage you, but sometimes Epogen works and sometimes it
doesn't.  Also, it takes awhile to get the full benefit of it, sometimes as
long as 2 - 3 weeks.

Presently, I am trying Acemannan Immunostimulant on a couple of FeLV kittens
and it seems to be working.  The smaller kitten I didn't get a HCT on to
start with, he had pale gums and a URI.  The other had an HCT of 18%, after
3 shots of Acemannan (one a week) his HCT just before his fourth shot was
32%.  Both kittens seem to be doing well now.  I wish I had had some of this
when I lost a couple of my adult FeLV cats that got really sick.  I've
spoken to the vet who did the trials and he said it brought some of the test
cats back from death's door.  Of course, it is not 100% effective, works for
some and they lost some.  He said about one third of the calls he gets about
it are from vets who want to try it on their own FeLV or FIV cats.

The down side of it is it is a little expensive and only a vet can buy it.
My vet charges me $125 for four 10 ml vials and I think that may be his cost
or close to it as I was told it was about $175.  The protocol is one shot a
week for 6 weeks and then one a month.  It is dosed at 1 mg per kg. Fred
would need 3.2 mg, the stuff is 1 mg per ml, so 10 mg per bottle or about 3
shots for Fred. The other downside is the first 6 shots are given IP
(through the abdominal wall) so I have the vet do these and even he doesn't
like it.  The monthly shots can be given sub-q. 

The instructions say once it is mixed you have to use it in 4 hours, but the
vet who did the trials said you can keep it in the fridge for a week or in
the freezer for a month.  The two kittens I have use almost a third of a
bottle (it comes in two bottle pairs, one with the powder and one with
saline) and you mix the saline with the powder.  I have them save the saline
bottle and after the first sots I have them take half of what is left and
put it in the saline bottle and I freeze one and put one in the fridge.

Gary   

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

 Gary,
   I got the 1ml 2000 IU and Fred weighs 7lb 2oz.  I am using a insulin 
syringe that is 1/2 cc and was told to give Fred .15 or on the 15 line 
on the syringe.  Does that sound right to you, his HCT was 16% on 
Tuesday, he got his first shot today and his fur felt wet after, not 
much but a bit, I hope I didn't miss and he didn't really get it.  I was 
afraid to do more but he is so weak if I did miss I am really afraid he 
won't make it to Sunday when I give him the next dose.

Any suggestions.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread MaryChristine
thanks for the report on the acemannan, gary--i've heard really good things
about it, not necessarily in terms of cure, but re: giving cats some
additional months or years of quality time with their humans.

AND there's research behind it.

also thanks, as usual, for making the math of dosages clear: i know that
sometimes i have trouble making sense out of it, and have learned that
you're the one to run to!

MC

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[Felvtalk] Renee'

2009-10-24 Thread lexingtongrn
I have a gray/white cat we (SunsetFelines) rescued behind a used car lot.  
She's  10-12 months old, leukemia positive and living a crate for a good while 
now.   Renee's permanent home fell through the day I was to deliver her.  She's 
well mannered and very sweet. She's had all her vet care. She would be good for 
someone that already has a leukemia positive cat or for someone with vaccinated 
cats.  I live in SC and would be willing to drive her to surrounding states or 
fly Renee' to you.  I know this is a long shot but I feel sorry for her in the 
crate and have way too many cats myself.  My e-mail address is 
lexington...@yahoo.com.

Paula


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Renee'

2009-10-24 Thread MaryChristine
hey, paula!

has she been retested with the IFA?

(folks, this is the group who sent a FeLV up to gary last year, was it? who
can remember!)

MC


On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:21 PM, lexingtongrn lexington...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I have a gray/white cat we (SunsetFelines) rescued behind a used car lot.
 She's  10-12 months old,


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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread dlgegg
thank you


 Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Dorlis,
 Here is the link to the yahoo anemia group.
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/
 
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Fri, 10/23/09, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Cc: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
  Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 9:02 PM
  Sharyl,  i missed the lik for
  anemia, could you send it again?  asking because Lil
  Bit did have a kidney infection and her count dropped
  1  point.  we gave her fluids and anitbiotics and
  in 1 week, she had bounced back.  so far no repeats,
  BUT.  DORLIS
   Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
  wrote: 
   
   Amy,
   Epogen is very effective for treating non-regenerative
  anemia.  Treatment is not started until the HCT or PCV
  is below 20 and usually in the mid-teens. The Anemia group I
  gave you the link for has more info on treatment protocol.
   Sharyl
   
   --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
  wrote:
   
From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 1:32 AM
A few years ago I had a kitty with
Chronic Renal Failure. Towards the end he was
  extremely
anemic and we did the Epogen. I'm so glad we did
  it because
it did buy us some time. I decided to try the
  Epogen when it
became clear he was not making new blood cells,
  his anemia
became extreme and we knew that without help he
  would die
from it, a slow, lethargic and very sad death. I
  wanted to
give him a chance and the Epogen did. My vet
  talked to UC
Davis about his unique situation (he also had
  high blood
pressure and a heart problem) and we gave him a
  really
really low dose. I believe typically they give it
  3-4 times
a week and we gave it once a week. It was such a
  low dose
the vet thought it might not work, but it did and
  actually
better than we anticipated.

So, I can't speak for the FeLV stuff, but I can
  say the
Epogen wasn't as evil as I was expecting to be
  from what I
had heard word of mouth. We used it very
  cautiously, and it
seemed to make a big difference. You just really
  have to
watch it, start off slow. It is easier to add
  treatments
then try and slow it down and you don't want
  their values
increasing too fast.

Good luck,

Iva

- Original Message - 
 Message: 7
 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

 
 So I've been posting about my cat Wolfie who
  has been
losing weight since about mid 2006, from 15.4 lbs
  down to
10.8 lbs today.  His last visit was on July 2nd
  and he
had a HCT of 29.  He also tested positive for
Mycoplasma haemominutum previously called
  Haemobartonella
felis small form.  He's been on doxy, pred, and
Pet-Tinic twice daily for almost a month.
 
 My vet thought he looked great today and he
  hasn't
lost any weight since his last visit but he's not
  gaining
and his HCT is still going down.  We took a tiny
  amount
of blood and sent it out for a reticulocyte
  count. I've lost
almost all my leuk positives to anemia in the end
  (except
for one to lymphoma and one to neurological
  issues) and I'm
really bummed out by the news.  I was hoping
  treating
the Hemobart would help the HCT even though my
  vet wasn't as
optimistic.
 
 I'm just wondering how most people here lose
  their
leuk positives.  It seems all of mine do so
  well, are
completely asymptomatic and then out of nowhere
  they stop
making red blood cells, the HCT starts to drop,
  and it is
downhill from there.  My vet wrote me a 10 page
  letter
on everything that could cause weight loss and
  anemia and we
have eliminated almost all the possibilities I
  think. 
We haven't done a digestive panel yet because it
  takes 4 mls
of blood and I don't want to do that with his HCT
  dropping.
If the reticulocyte test comes back and shows he
  is making
red blood cells, we will start investigating
  digestive
issues or anything else that could be causing his
  lower
HCT.  If it comes back as nonregenerative
  anemia, is
there anything I can do?  I know there is the
  option of
Epogen and I'm looking into that.  Anything else
  or do
I just spend time with him and wait?  I hate
  this point
where they are feeling fine, looking fine, and I
  know it's
only
 a matter of time :(  This guy has been with
  me
longer than any of my other positives and I'd do
  anything to
help him but I'm afraid there's nothing else I
  can do. 
Thoughts?
 
 Amy



Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread dlgegg
you probably did, just that i am playing late night catch up on e-mails and 
most likely missed it.  dorlis  double thank you
 gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: 
 I thought I had answered this when the subject first came up, but with my
 memory, you never know.  They don't have much of a website, it most has a
 few links to download forms. 
 http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=538876   It is faster to just
 call them if you want to find out if they have what you are looking for and
 how much that will be.  You can also have your vet or doctor call in the
 script.  Phone number is 1-877-453-4566.
 
 Gary
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:55 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: MaryChristine
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
 
 I NEVER HEARDOF WALMART SPECIALITY PHARMACY BEFORE.  DORLIS
  MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
  well, actually i very vaguely think that i might have been mentioned
  years ago in terms of getting fluids, but since i'm not sure, i
  wouldn't know where to find where i might have filed it!
  
  MC
  
  On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM, MaryChristinetwelvehousec...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   gary, is there a link to walmart's specialty pharmacy? i've never
   heard of it as an entity before
  
   thanks!
  
   MC
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mystique Please add to the CLS

2009-10-24 Thread dlgegg
prayers for you.  i lost 6 last year, i know how your heart aches.  dorlis
 Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: 
 Sherry,  I'm so sorry you lost Mystique.  I know how sad you
 are, as I've gone through these losses so many times, and 
 you never get hardened to it.  It hurts terribly every time
 we lose one of our babies.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-23, Sherry DeHaan wrote:
 
  My heart is heavy this morning.My beautiful Mystique had to cross
  the bridge yesterday. She was with me for almost 2 yrs and had the
  happiest and sweetest personality. She always talked to me and
  followed me everywhere. I told her she is going to go to sleep for a
  short time and when she wakes up my mom will be there waiting for
  her to carry on loving her,and she will not be sick any longer.She
  has MANY wonderful souls up there with her.In a way I guess she is
  the lucky one.I miss you my Tiki Tiki Boom Booms. Sherry ? ?
  
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mystique Please add to the CLS :(

2009-10-24 Thread dlgegg
Pat, my prayers go out to you.  i lost 6 last year and now have 6 more babies 
sent to me.  dorlis
 Pat Kachur katn...@charter.net wrote: 
 My little Mandy passed yesterday afternoon.  In addition to her leukemia, 
 she was partially blind, totally deaf and had a benign tumor which was on 
 its way to keeping her from being able to walk, and recovering from a UTI. 
 But until just two days ago, she was happy, eating a lot, purring.  She 
 passed very peacefully.  But, even with 6 other cats, she has left a big 
 hole in my life.  I miss everything about her.  She was about 9 years old.
 
 Pat
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 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mystique Please add to the CLS :(
 
 
 Sherry, I am so sorry to hear you had to let your little girl go. I like
 what you told her about her short sleep and your mom. I can tell she was
 loved. The ones that talk leave big noise holes in our lives. It was so
 deathly quiet after Keisha passed. She purred constantly ...a very large
 purr. Even though I had five other cats and have six again, it's a lot
 quieter here now.
 Laurie and tribe
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
 Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:33 AM
 To: Felvtalk
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mystique Please add to the CLS :(
 
 My heart is heavy this morning.My beautiful Mystique had to cross the bridge
 yesterday.She was with me for almost 2 yrs and had the happiest and sweetest
 personality.She always talked to me and followed me everywhere.I told her
 she is going to go to sleep for a short time and when she wakes up my mom
 will be there waiting for her to carry on loving her,and she will not be
 sick any longer.She has MANY wonderful souls up there with her.In a way I
 guess she is the lucky one.I miss you my Tiki Tiki Boom Booms.
 
 Sherry
 
 
 
 
 
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 Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Acemannan Immunostimulant Update

2009-10-24 Thread Sharyl
Gary, thanks for the update one Acemannan Immunostimulant.  Sounds promising.
Sharyl 

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 12:54 PM
 Hi Belinda,
 
 Sorry your little kitty is so sick, an HCT of 16% is
 serious, but not yet
 critical.  The critical part is how fast it is
 dropping, 10% and under is
 critical.  I have had a couple that were so fast
 nothing could be done.
 
 Now the bad news, you missed.  There wouldn't be much
 wetness from .15 cc
 and there won't be any if it goes in. The dosage is almost
 correct (probably
 close enough) but the actual correct dosage is .16
 cc.  If it were me, I
 would do it again, even if some of it got in, he needs the
 whole dose and a
 bit over won't hurt him.  I have had a couple of
 misses myself and there is
 just what seems to be a tiny bit of wetness.  If you
 want to check and see
 just how little fluid that really is, just use one of the
 old syringes and
 take up .15 of water and squirt it on his fur.
 
 I don't want to discourage you, but sometimes Epogen works
 and sometimes it
 doesn't.  Also, it takes awhile to get the full
 benefit of it, sometimes as
 long as 2 - 3 weeks.
 
 Presently, I am trying Acemannan Immunostimulant on a
 couple of FeLV kittens
 and it seems to be working.  The smaller kitten I
 didn't get a HCT on to
 start with, he had pale gums and a URI.  The other had
 an HCT of 18%, after
 3 shots of Acemannan (one a week) his HCT just before his
 fourth shot was
 32%.  Both kittens seem to be doing well now.  I
 wish I had had some of this
 when I lost a couple of my adult FeLV cats that got really
 sick.  I've
 spoken to the vet who did the trials and he said it brought
 some of the test
 cats back from death's door.  Of course, it is not
 100% effective, works for
 some and they lost some.  He said about one third of
 the calls he gets about
 it are from vets who want to try it on their own FeLV or
 FIV cats.
 
 The down side of it is it is a little expensive and only a
 vet can buy it.
 My vet charges me $125 for four 10 ml vials and I think
 that may be his cost
 or close to it as I was told it was about $175.  The
 protocol is one shot a
 week for 6 weeks and then one a month.  It is dosed at
 1 mg per kg. Fred
 would need 3.2 mg, the stuff is 1 mg per ml, so 10 mg per
 bottle or about 3
 shots for Fred. The other downside is the first 6 shots are
 given IP
 (through the abdominal wall) so I have the vet do these and
 even he doesn't
 like it.  The monthly shots can be given sub-q. 
 
 The instructions say once it is mixed you have to use it in
 4 hours, but the
 vet who did the trials said you can keep it in the fridge
 for a week or in
 the freezer for a month.  The two kittens I have use
 almost a third of a
 bottle (it comes in two bottle pairs, one with the powder
 and one with
 saline) and you mix the saline with the powder.  I
 have them save the saline
 bottle and after the first sots I have them take half of
 what is left and
 put it in the saline bottle and I freeze one and put one in
 the fridge.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Renee'

2009-10-24 Thread gary
Yes, it is.

Gary

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hey, paula!

has she been retested with the IFA?

(folks, this is the group who sent a FeLV up to gary last year, was it? who
can remember!)

MC


On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:21 PM, lexingtongrn lexington...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I have a gray/white cat we (SunsetFelines) rescued behind a used car lot.
 She's  10-12 months old,



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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Fluid buildup in the chest

2009-10-24 Thread James G Wilson
Thanks to everyone for the well wishes and suggestions 
on LG's chest fluid. Thankfully, he is not FeLV+. This fluid 
just seemed to come out of nowhere because he is so 
healthy otherwise. He is on prednisone and a diuretic 
(salix- 12.5mg). He is going to the litterbox about every 
three hours to pee now. He is eating, and I saw him drink 
some water just awhile ago. 

I was worried about how to pill LG because he is so 
stubborn about such things. The vet gave (sold!) me 
these treats called LeanTreats from NutriSentials. I was 
skeptical since LG is so finicky. I put the pills in the treat 
and squished it up and put it front of him. He sniffed it for 
a bit, licked it once and then acted like he was going to 
walk away. Then, he came right back and wolfed it down 
in one bite! I was shocked! :)  So, he's getting his pills.

I guess the main questions I have are these. How long 
before the fluid builds up again? He's on seven days 
straight of the pred and diuretic.. then it goes to every 
other day. I was given 20 pills each. He's breathing SO 
MUCH better today- no heavy breaths at all. Even after 
they drained the fluid yesterday, he was still breathing a 
bit heavy. But, that could have been the stress of it all too. 
I just want the best for him- a good quality of life for as 
long as he wants it... Thanks again for everyone's 
assistance. Best wishes to all.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Hi Gary,
  Fred's anemia is not FeLV related, he is negative, would the 
acemannan still be something to consider if the anemia is from 
insufficient renal function vs FeLV+ status?  He is non regenerative 
anemia because of the renal insufficiency.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread MaryChristine
belinda, i can't remember if the archives from a couple of years ago
survived the server issues, but there was a LOT of discussion on the list
just over two years ago, i think, when hideyo was trying to obtain
some--during the period it wasn't available for some administrative problem.
i think that a lot of the research involving it was cited back then. i know
folks have used it for lymphomas from injection-site sarcomas, tho i DON'T
think it was the, immunostimulant formulation: not sure that one existed
then.

if i recall tho, both hideyo and paolo? from south america had good
experiences with talking with the company. (i may be fantasizing all of
this, but i'm pretty sure i'm not.)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread Belinda Sauro
   Thanks MC, I wrote to Hideyo and I think she wrote back will have to 
double check, I ended up getting the epogen because I needed to get Fred 
started on something right away and they could get that in 1 day.  He 
gets his second shot tomorrow.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Gary,
  I tried the test with a used syringe and Fred's fur wasn't anywhere 
near that wet yesterday so I think I figured out what happened.  When I 
tented and started giving him the shot, when he felt the epo going in he 
started to move and I pushed against him harder to keep him from pulling 
the syringe out so I think at that point the syringe may have gone in 
farther and out the other side ... but I think it was towards the end of 
the shot so didn't lose too much.  I am going to give him a little extra 
tomorrow though, his HCT has been slowly dropping over 4 or 5 years, he 
was at 28% when we first diagnosed him hyper-t  CRF 4 years ago and I 
know he was CRF a good year before that, someone had been peeing a lot 
for a while but I couldn't pin point who.  over the last year his HCT 
was between 24% and 20% but since a month ago it went to 16%.  My vet 
checked for bleeding there isn't any so it is because of his CRF.  We 
will check him again in 2 weeks after starting the epo.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread MaryChristine
keeping all paws crossed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Fluid buildup in the chest

2009-10-24 Thread Belinda Sauro

Hi James,
  Glad to hear LG is feeling better, I will pray he continues to 
improve and does well.  Just curious they did check him for heart 
disease right?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread James G Wilson
MC, Belinda and all, 

Yes, the archives are intact. They are on a separate 
server, so they weren't affected by the issues we had 
back in July of '08. Belinda, I typed in Acemannan just to 
be sure. Here's the url: 
http://www.mail-
archive.com/search?q=acemannanl=felvt...@felineleuk
emia.org

I hope that helps. We too are keeping fingers and paws 
crossed for Fred. Best wishes to all.

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Fluid buildup in the chest

2009-10-24 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I guess it depends.  I don't know where the fluid comes from, whether  
FELV or not, maybe it's all the same.  With my sister, it was coming  
from the liver, being taken over by cancer and putting out fluid in  
the process.  But  that was a different type of cancer.  Wonder if it  
comes from the blood itself.


Gloria



On Oct 24, 2009, at 2:36 PM, James G Wilson wrote:


Thanks to everyone for the well wishes and suggestions
on LG's chest fluid. Thankfully, he is not FeLV+. This fluid
just seemed to come out of nowhere because he is so
healthy otherwise. He is on prednisone and a diuretic
(salix- 12.5mg). He is going to the litterbox about every
three hours to pee now. He is eating, and I saw him drink
some water just awhile ago.

I was worried about how to pill LG because he is so
stubborn about such things. The vet gave (sold!) me
these treats called LeanTreats from NutriSentials. I was
skeptical since LG is so finicky. I put the pills in the treat
and squished it up and put it front of him. He sniffed it for
a bit, licked it once and then acted like he was going to
walk away. Then, he came right back and wolfed it down
in one bite! I was shocked! :)  So, he's getting his pills.

I guess the main questions I have are these. How long
before the fluid builds up again? He's on seven days
straight of the pred and diuretic.. then it goes to every
other day. I was given 20 pills each. He's breathing SO
MUCH better today- no heavy breaths at all. Even after
they drained the fluid yesterday, he was still breathing a
bit heavy. But, that could have been the stress of it all too.
I just want the best for him- a good quality of life for as
long as he wants it... Thanks again for everyone's
assistance. Best wishes to all.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research  Support)
http://www.facebook.com/crambone
http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread Jane Lyons

Gary are their side effects to the Acemannan?
I have never heard about it from my vets, although they always seem the
last to know. My cat is Felv but stable now although she has  
stomatitis. Do you think it

might help?
Thanks
Jane
On Oct 24, 2009, at 12:54 PM, gary wrote:


Hi Belinda,

Sorry your little kitty is so sick, an HCT of 16% is serious, but  
not yet
critical.  The critical part is how fast it is dropping, 10% and  
under is
critical.  I have had a couple that were so fast nothing could be  
done.


Now the bad news, you missed.  There wouldn't be much wetness from . 
15 cc
and there won't be any if it goes in. The dosage is almost correct  
(probably
close enough) but the actual correct dosage is .16 cc.  If it were  
me, I
would do it again, even if some of it got in, he needs the whole  
dose and a
bit over won't hurt him.  I have had a couple of misses myself and  
there is
just what seems to be a tiny bit of wetness.  If you want to check  
and see
just how little fluid that really is, just use one of the old  
syringes and

take up .15 of water and squirt it on his fur.

I don't want to discourage you, but sometimes Epogen works and  
sometimes it
doesn't.  Also, it takes awhile to get the full benefit of it,  
sometimes as

long as 2 - 3 weeks.

Presently, I am trying Acemannan Immunostimulant on a couple of  
FeLV kittens
and it seems to be working.  The smaller kitten I didn't get a HCT  
on to
start with, he had pale gums and a URI.  The other had an HCT of  
18%, after
3 shots of Acemannan (one a week) his HCT just before his fourth  
shot was
32%.  Both kittens seem to be doing well now.  I wish I had had  
some of this

when I lost a couple of my adult FeLV cats that got really sick.  I've
spoken to the vet who did the trials and he said it brought some of  
the test
cats back from death's door.  Of course, it is not 100% effective,  
works for
some and they lost some.  He said about one third of the calls he  
gets about

it are from vets who want to try it on their own FeLV or FIV cats.

The down side of it is it is a little expensive and only a vet can  
buy it.
My vet charges me $125 for four 10 ml vials and I think that may be  
his cost
or close to it as I was told it was about $175.  The protocol is  
one shot a
week for 6 weeks and then one a month.  It is dosed at 1 mg per kg.  
Fred
would need 3.2 mg, the stuff is 1 mg per ml, so 10 mg per bottle or  
about 3

shots for Fred. The other downside is the first 6 shots are given IP
(through the abdominal wall) so I have the vet do these and even he  
doesn't

like it.  The monthly shots can be given sub-q.

The instructions say once it is mixed you have to use it in 4  
hours, but the
vet who did the trials said you can keep it in the fridge for a  
week or in
the freezer for a month.  The two kittens I have use almost a third  
of a

bottle (it comes in two bottle pairs, one with the powder and one with
saline) and you mix the saline with the powder.  I have them save  
the saline
bottle and after the first sots I have them take half of what is  
left and
put it in the saline bottle and I freeze one and put one in the  
fridge.


Gary

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda  
Sauro

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

 Gary,
   I got the 1ml 2000 IU and Fred weighs 7lb 2oz.  I am using a  
insulin

syringe that is 1/2 cc and was told to give Fred .15 or on the 15 line
on the syringe.  Does that sound right to you, his HCT was 16% on
Tuesday, he got his first shot today and his fur felt wet after, not
much but a bit, I hope I didn't miss and he didn't really get it.   
I was
afraid to do more but he is so weak if I did miss I am really  
afraid he

won't make it to Sunday when I give him the next dose.

Any suggestions.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread gary
Hi Belinda,

OK, just didn't want him to miss out.  I didn't realize he wasn't FeLV
positive. I don't think the Acemannan would be of help with his CRF, Epogen
is the way to go for that.  Are you on the FCRF yahoo list?  Lots of good
info on just about every therapy and support for crf kitties there.  They
usually suggest you start Epogen at 20%, but 16% isn't bad.  You may have
mentioned this before, but do you have to give him fluids regularly?

Gary

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

Gary,
   I tried the test with a used syringe and Fred's fur wasn't anywhere 
near that wet yesterday so I think I figured out what happened.  When I 
tented and started giving him the shot, when he felt the epo going in he 
started to move and I pushed against him harder to keep him from pulling 
the syringe out so I think at that point the syringe may have gone in 
farther and out the other side ... but I think it was towards the end of 
the shot so didn't lose too much.  I am going to give him a little extra 
tomorrow though, his HCT has been slowly dropping over 4 or 5 years, he 
was at 28% when we first diagnosed him hyper-t  CRF 4 years ago and I 
know he was CRF a good year before that, someone had been peeing a lot 
for a while but I couldn't pin point who.  over the last year his HCT 
was between 24% and 20% but since a month ago it went to 16%.  My vet 
checked for bleeding there isn't any so it is because of his CRF.  We 
will check him again in 2 weeks after starting the epo.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread gary
I don't believe I have seen any side effects listed anywhere and the two I
have on it have just gotten their 4th shot with no noticeable side effects.
One is just about 11 weeks old and pretty small, the other about 5 months
and both seem to be doing fine.

I don't really know if it would help with the stomatitis, but you can call
the vet that is the company's technical assistance guy for Acemannan.  It is
made by VPL and their tech asst. page is 
http://www.vpl.com/techinfo.php Dr. Greg Biehle is his name and he is very
good about talking to people about it.  I talked to him and my vet talked to
him.  My vet said they were very impressed with him.  Ask him about the
stomatitis.  I think he only works in the morning and has some days he is in
surgery, but he will call you back.

Gary

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Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

Gary are their side effects to the Acemannan?
I have never heard about it from my vets, although they always seem the
last to know. My cat is Felv but stable now although she has  
stomatitis. Do you think it
might help?
Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread dlgegg
Hi Belinda,

i have only given fluids to my Lil Bit, but i learned fast to put the bag in 
water same temperature as my body.  first time i gave her fluids, she nearly 
jumped out of my lap.  it was room temperature (70) and cold to her.  next day 
i put the bag in the sink with warm water until it was comfortable to me.  at 
least it was closer to her body temperature and she didn't mind it very much.  
at least she didn't try to get away from me.  GARY need to weigh in on this as 
i am not sure you should warm up the Epogen.  dorlis
 gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: 
 Hi Belinda,
 
 OK, just didn't want him to miss out.  I didn't realize he wasn't FeLV
 positive. I don't think the Acemannan would be of help with his CRF, Epogen
 is the way to go for that.  Are you on the FCRF yahoo list?  Lots of good
 info on just about every therapy and support for crf kitties there.  They
 usually suggest you start Epogen at 20%, but 16% isn't bad.  You may have
 mentioned this before, but do you have to give him fluids regularly?
 
 Gary
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
 Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:33 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
 
 Gary,
I tried the test with a used syringe and Fred's fur wasn't anywhere 
 near that wet yesterday so I think I figured out what happened.  When I 
 tented and started giving him the shot, when he felt the epo going in he 
 started to move and I pushed against him harder to keep him from pulling 
 the syringe out so I think at that point the syringe may have gone in 
 farther and out the other side ... but I think it was towards the end of 
 the shot so didn't lose too much.  I am going to give him a little extra 
 tomorrow though, his HCT has been slowly dropping over 4 or 5 years, he 
 was at 28% when we first diagnosed him hyper-t  CRF 4 years ago and I 
 know he was CRF a good year before that, someone had been peeing a lot 
 for a while but I couldn't pin point who.  over the last year his HCT 
 was between 24% and 20% but since a month ago it went to 16%.  My vet 
 checked for bleeding there isn't any so it is because of his CRF.  We 
 will check him again in 2 weeks after starting the epo.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

2009-10-24 Thread dlgegg
prayres for Fred  dorlis
 Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: 
 Thanks MC, I wrote to Hideyo and I think she wrote back will have to 
 double check, I ended up getting the epogen because I needed to get Fred 
 started on something right away and they could get that in 1 day.  He 
 gets his second shot tomorrow.
 
 
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