Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
LOL, 'lemon fresh' isn't always a great thing, eh Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food A funny story- my husband suddenly decided that he would feed a raw diet to the cats and invested a lot of money in meat and supplements according to a good recipe he found. Not one cat out of about 12 would touch it. Turns out he had purchased (a big!) bottle of lemon-flavored fish oil to put in it I don't think they liked the lemony freshness! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_2:092009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Bridget - new positive kitten - questions about treatment
My Bridget - about 7 months old - has tested positive for FeLV. Someone a while back had mentioned a treatment she'd been using on a litter of positive kittens with good results. My vet, bless him, is willing to try new treatments - he sees a lot of FeLV in his practice - so I'd love to know what this is and where we can get it. Bridget's brother, Chutney, passed away suddenly after Halloween and he'd tested negative just 6 weeks previously. Poor Bridget will be joining the tough positive crowd (all asymptomatic) in my garage (I keep tortoises in it so it's heated and very comfortable): Sunbeam, Baby Girl, Celery and Majestic. Plus she'll meet a couple of 50 pound tortoises! Any help would be most appreciated! thanks! Laura and Bridget ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
I have a non-positive (just a regular old cat- except that he was my first foster and has literally helped foster every cat I have taken in!) that is missing a little tooth on his bottom jaw and another is barely hanging on. It's always been like that- he's only 2. Don't know when he lost it. But he was 2 months when I acquired him as a very sickly, kill animal shelter rescue brought into a no kill rescue, with exposure to everything probably. Started his life on antibiotics and fighting a recurring upper respiratory infection. I eventually fostered and lost 3 other kittens rescued along with him that separately all succumbed to FIP (1 to wet, 2 to dry). Anyway, my boy has no gum disease whatsoever but his vet said it's highly likely he could lose all teeth before middle age. Just due to a rough start in life. It seems to make sense that- altho he's a healthy horse now- when his milk teeth were falling out and being replaced with his adult teeth- he was at his sickest, not getting nutrition, etc., so those adult teeth were not being formed in the best possible circumstances. My vet said this is actually more common than you would think in cats who didn't get adequate COLOSTRUM from their mother through nursing, if any at all :( (this would also be why I love my vet so much-- b/c he talks about colostrum and how important it is!). And remember that all cats have milk teeth they lose naturally and most actually swallow them-- which is totally fine and natural. Altho I did find one of my newest kitten's milk canine on the bed and I felt like I had found a buried treasure! After having so many cats in my life-- kittens, fosters, geriatrics!, this was the first tooth I ever actually found Anyway, I guess my point is that the process of cats losing their teeth for whatever reason, whether it's milk teeth, or due to gingivitis, if it's not actually affecting the cat as far as eating and what not, it's a much more natural process that occurs more than we know (geriatrics regularly lose teeth even if you've kept up with their regular teeth cleaning). It's a much more natural process than us losing our teeth! And with a positive cat, truly the main thing is to minimize their stress-- it's the golden rule of having a positive. So assuming no detrimental effects of letting nature take it's course, I would advocate leaving the teeth alone (of course, following vet's advice for cleaning and treating an active infection). I personally would avoid having a positive's teeth pulled as much as possible. As even avoiding anesthetic if you can in a positive is important. The process of losing teeth for cats is not a big event like for us so I don't think we should do anything to turn it into a stressful event for them! That's my two cents. Caroline Kaufmann Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:12:48 -0500 From: dtshr...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth I should have said before that I had called the vet when I first noticed it, and they said as long as she was eating that she was probably ok. I hate the thought of stressing her out to take her to the vet if it might just fall out and be ok. When I first got her (a year ago), all of her upper and lower tiny teeth were missing. She had very bad breath and gingivitis. After giving her Petzlife oral gel over a period of many months, the vet said her mouth looked very good, and her breath got much better So she's had a history of bad teeth. Thank you for the advice! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
Consider using PetzLife Brush Away or an additive to the cat's water that helps with teeth too since the cat has a history of dental problems. Hi Caroline. Good to know you are still around. On Nov 20, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have a non-positive (just a regular old cat- except that he was my first foster and has literally helped foster every cat I have taken in!) that is missing a little tooth on his bottom jaw and another is barely hanging on. It's always been like that- he's only 2. Don't know when he lost it. But he was 2 months when I acquired him as a very sickly, kill animal shelter rescue brought into a no kill rescue, with exposure to everything probably. Started his life on antibiotics and fighting a recurring upper respiratory infection. I eventually fostered and lost 3 other kittens rescued along with him that separately all succumbed to FIP (1 to wet, 2 to dry). Anyway, my boy has no gum disease whatsoever but his vet said it's highly likely he could lose all teeth before middle age. Just due to a rough start in life. It seems to make sense that- altho he's a healthy horse now- when his milk teeth were falling out and being replaced with his adult teeth- he was at his sickest, not getting nutrition, etc., so those adult teeth were not being formed in the best possible circumstances. My vet said this is actually more common than you would think in cats who didn't get adequate COLOSTRUM from their mother through nursing, if any at all :( (this would also be why I love my vet so much-- b/c he talks about colostrum and how important it is!). And remember that all cats have milk teeth they lose naturally and most actually swallow them-- which is totally fine and natural. Altho I did find one of my newest kitten's milk canine on the bed and I felt like I had found a buried treasure! After having so many cats in my life-- kittens, fosters, geriatrics!, this was the first tooth I ever actually found Anyway, I guess my point is that the process of cats losing their teeth for whatever reason, whether it's milk teeth, or due to gingivitis, if it's not actually affecting the cat as far as eating and what not, it's a much more natural process that occurs more than we know (geriatrics regularly lose teeth even if you've kept up with their regular teeth cleaning). It's a much more natural process than us losing our teeth! And with a positive cat, truly the main thing is to minimize their stress-- it's the golden rule of having a positive. So assuming no detrimental effects of letting nature take it's course, I would advocate leaving the teeth alone (of course, following vet's advice for cleaning and treating an active infection). I personally would avoid having a positive's teeth pulled as much as possible. As even avoiding anesthetic if you can in a positive is important. The process of losing teeth for cats is not a big event like for us so I don't think we should do anything to turn it into a stressful event for them! That's my two cents. Caroline Kaufmann Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:12:48 -0500 From: dtshr...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth I should have said before that I had called the vet when I first noticed it, and they said as long as she was eating that she was probably ok. I hate the thought of stressing her out to take her to the vet if it might just fall out and be ok. When I first got her (a year ago), all of her upper and lower tiny teeth were missing. She had very bad breath and gingivitis. After giving her Petzlife oral gel over a period of many months, the vet said her mouth looked very good, and her breath got much better So she's had a history of bad teeth. Thank you for the advice! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget - new positive kitten - questions about treatment
Laura, I am glad to hear your vet is willing to try something. It is so hard to watch these healthy young beautiful felv kittens and cats deteriorate so rapidly and die. The treatments I am aware of include interferon - an oral preparation most vets are familiar with and cheap, LTCI (an immunomodulator produced by Imulan, it is a subcutaneous injection - you can check their website and contact them or have your vet do so), Acemannan or ambotrose (either a intraperitoneal injection or oral supplement made by Mannetech I believe is their name you can google ambotrose). I have heard that early on in the disease high dose iv vitamin c can change viral status. Other holistic approaches/alternative meds include Wei Qi Booster (chinese herbal) and raw diet. There are other things out there, but I am not too familiar with them, a group A strep product (it's a bacterial derivative tried in the past with some success, but I haven't seen or heard much recently about it) You really have 50 pound tortoises, wow, that's something else. That is a world I am utterly unfamiliar with. Do they all get along? Well good luck and God bless. If you need any more specifics just let me know. Jenny On 11/20/09, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: My Bridget - about 7 months old - has tested positive for FeLV. Someone a while back had mentioned a treatment she'd been using on a litter of positive kittens with good results. My vet, bless him, is willing to try new treatments - he sees a lot of FeLV in his practice - so I'd love to know what this is and where we can get it. Bridget's brother, Chutney, passed away suddenly after Halloween and he'd tested negative just 6 weeks previously. Poor Bridget will be joining the tough positive crowd (all asymptomatic) in my garage (I keep tortoises in it so it's heated and very comfortable): Sunbeam, Baby Girl, Celery and Majestic. Plus she'll meet a couple of 50 pound tortoises! Any help would be most appreciated! thanks! Laura and Bridget ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] re loose teeth- but not really
I think my message was too long with the threads prior, so I am re-posting only it. Of course I am still around! Busy with work tho mostly :( I'm on Facebook with a lot of felv members and that's how I mostly keep up with them. I also violated all the rules and became a traitor- rescuing and keeping a monster dog I found abandoned near my work. And horror of horrors...are you ready for this? I don't think you are! He's likely a pit, rott mix and started out as a clear predator. And here I am with cats. And he was like, yummy, mommy filled her house with prey! I took him in in March and the first 6 mths of my becoming a dog person was HELL ON EARTH! I prayed to Monkee every night! He sucked up all of my non-work time, so in no way did I feel it was right or fair to bring any fosters into the house until I had the beast more de-sensitized to cats and I already felt like I was neglecting my Yoda cat. And I had no time for fosters anyway b/c the 48 lbs of shear muscle required his daily runs, weekend trips to the park for trail running, taking him to obedience classes, tons of at home training and working to integrate him with my moms dogs and by integrate- I really mean, not kill my moms dogs, and time spooning his mommy on the couch. All in all, it was the hardest thing I have ever done...become a real dog person. Actually I pretty much became a dog trainer. I had to! I named him Normandee (Normandy)- the double ee a tribute to The Monkee of course. As horrible as that all sounds, he's never gotten a cat, the cats are fine with him, he's pretty de-sensitized to them but we have some more work to do as new cats to him-- it's like, oh I can't eat mommy's cat, but that one is for me! And it's not like me, Normandee and Yoda are all spooning together on the couch or anything. UGH. Cats are so much easier-- and this is coming from someone who had four die in my arms...I mean really. I have told Normandee not to ever make me chose b/c he will lose out! He took that to heart and has done nothing but accept the structure and training with undying love. It honestly surprises even me when I look back on how much I have accomplished with this dog and to realize that nothing is impossible. Our dog trainer is always singing my praises because she admits that even she wouldn't have taken on a dog like him, but the turn-around I have worked so hard for is nothing short of amazing. Now that the beasty is under control, I have a brand spanking new foster cat (after not fostering for a year)...a white and black female tuxie-- similar markings to Monkee. She's been living outside and had a tipped ear so I knew she'd been spayed by likely the fix-only and re-release group so I was on pins and needles when she went for vetting. I think me, the vet and the tech were all scared of the results since she had been outside and only fixed...the chances of a positive test are so much higher. And for me, gosh, I was having flash backs to Monkee's first vet visit b/c her markings are so like his...and the vet's face when she came back in the room and I just started crying, I was like, I can't go through this again with a cat that looks like him! Thankfully, all her tests are negative!!! Now I just have to work on the slow introduction to my two monsters- Yoda and his adopted brother Smokey that I took in in August when my best friend found two kittens in her garage, she kept one, despite being allergic to cats and I agreed to foster Smokey to adoption but I don't believe neither Yoda or I can part with him now. They are my Yin and Yang. And I felt bad for Yoda living the life of the cat that fosters other cats and becoming best friends with fosters, only to have them either die or be adopted! I felt bad for his revolving door life. Smokey is still a kitten so I have not yet neutered him and he is an alpha male like no other. The dogs are afraid of him (ironically, that includes the beast dog)! So I will end 2009 with NO losses-- be it due to felv, fip or beast dog-- and knowing I saved 4 lives this year (3 cats, and 1 dog from hell), and got one kitten adopted without even lifting a finger other than to type a few emails (one of my foster's parent's saw a kitten on the rescue site and wanted my help connecting her with the powers that be to adopt her)...and I have to say it feels really good!!! Monkee works in the most mysterious ways. I have learned to just go with it and not question it too much. How else would I end up with a pit/rott, gargoyle-looking, mommy's-baby dog!? I hope everyone is doing well. Find me on facebook if you are on there! caroline kaufmann _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
Re: [Felvtalk] re loose teeth- but not really
On Nov 20, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: nn I think my message was too long with the threads prior, so I am re- posting only it. Of course I am still around! Busy with work tho mostly :( I'm on Facebook with a lot of felv members and that's how I mostly keep up with them. I also violated all the rules and became a traitor- rescuing and keeping a monster dog I found abandoned near my work. And horror of horrors...are you ready for this? I don't think you are! He's likely a pit, rott mix and started out as a clear predator. And here I am with cats. And he was like, yummy, mommy filled her house with prey! I took him in in March and the first 6 mths of my becoming a dog person was HELL ON EARTH! I prayed to Monkee every night! He sucked up all of my non-work time, so in no way did I feel it was right or fair to bring any fosters into the house until I had the beast more de-sensitized to cats and I already felt like I was neglecting my Yoda cat. And I had no time for fosters anyway b/ c the 48 lbs of shear muscle required his daily runs, weekend trips to the park for trail running, taking him to obedience classes, tons of at home training and working to integrate him with my moms dogs and by integrate- I really mean, not kill my moms dogs, and time spooning his mommy on the couch. All in all, it was the hardest thing I have ever done...become a real dog person. Actually I pretty much became a dog trainer. I had to! I named him Normandee (Normandy)- the double ee a tribute to The Monkee of course. As horrible as that all sounds, he's never gotten a cat, the cats are fine with him, he's pretty de-sensitized to them but we have some more work to do as new cats to him-- it's like, oh I can't eat mommy's cat, but that one is for me! And it's not like me, Normandee and Yoda are all spooning together on the couch or anything. UGH. Cats are so much easier-- and this is coming from someone who had four die in my arms...I mean really. I have told Normandee not to ever make me chose b/c he will lose out! He took that to heart and has done nothing but accept the structure and training with undying love. It honestly surprises even me when I look back on how much I have accomplished with this dog and to realize that nothing is impossible. Our dog trainer is always singing my praises because she admits that even she wouldn't have taken on a dog like him, but the turn-around I have worked so hard for is nothing short of amazing. Now that the beasty is under control, I have a brand spanking new foster cat (after not fostering for a year)...a white and black female tuxie-- similar markings to Monkee. She's been living outside and had a tipped ear so I knew she'd been spayed by likely the fix-only and re-release group so I was on pins and needles when she went for vetting. I think me, the vet and the tech were all scared of the results since she had been outside and only fixed...the chances of a positive test are so much higher. And for me, gosh, I was having flash backs to Monkee's first vet visit b/c her markings are so like his...and the vet's face when she came back in the room and I just started crying, I was like, I can't go through this again with a cat that looks like him! Thankfully, all her tests are negative!!! Now I just have to work on the slow introduction to my two monsters- Yoda and his adopted brother Smokey that I took in in August when my best friend found two kittens in her garage, she kept one, despite being allergic to cats and I agreed to foster Smokey to adoption but I don't believe neither Yoda or I can part with him now. They are my Yin and Yang. And I felt bad for Yoda living the life of the cat that fosters other cats and becoming best friends with fosters, only to have them either die or be adopted! I felt bad for his revolving door life. Smokey is still a kitten so I have not yet neutered him and he is an alpha male like no other. The dogs are afraid of him (ironically, that includes the beast dog)! So I will end 2009 with NO losses-- be it due to felv, fip or beast dog-- and knowing I saved 4 lives this year (3 cats, and 1 dog from hell), and got one kitten adopted without even lifting a finger other than to type a few emails (one of my foster's parent's saw a kitten on the rescue site and wanted my help connecting her with the powers that be to adopt her)...and I have to say it feels really good!!! Monkee works in the most mysterious ways. I have learned to just go with it and not question it too much. How else would I end up with a pit/rott, gargoyle-looking, mommy's-baby dog!? I hope everyone is doing well. Find me on facebook if you are on there! caroline kaufmann _ Hotmail:
[Felvtalk] Angelica's miracle comeback from FIP and how it occurred
For those of you who saw my earlier post about my kitten Angelica and have wondered how vitamin C could have possibly saved her from FIP, I thought that perhaps the information below would help to explain it and convince others to try this highly effective and completely benign treatment for infections and viruses in their own cats. According to the pioneer in vitamin C research Dr. Fred Klenner, vitamin C intravenously works as an oxidizing agent in massive amounts, i.e., 5-150 grams, for certain pathological conditions), and neutralizes toxins, viruses and histamine. The more serious the condition, the more C is required. The ascorbic acid enters all cells and proceeds to take up the protein coats being manufactured by the virus nucleic acid, thus preventing the assembly of new virus units. Cells expand, rupture and die, but there are no virus particles available to enter and infect new cells. If a virus has invaded a cell, the Vitamin C contributes to its breakdown to adenosine deaminase, which converts adenosine to inosine. Purines are formed which are catabolized (broken down) and cannot be used to make more virus nucleic acid. Viral nucleic acid has a protein coat which protects this parasite as it rides the blood or lymph highway to gain specific cell entry. It is possible that if the ascorbic acid can remove that protective protein coat in the blood stream or in the cells, the white cell phagocytes and immune globulin could then neutralize these vulnerable virus particles. Ascorbic acid also joins with the available virus protein, making a new macromolecule which acts as the repressor factor (interferon?) and multiplication of new virus bodies is inhibited. Anyway, Angelica is home tonight - no fever, eating like a pig, and playing with her remaining brother Tommy. Today was her last drip and tonight you would never know she had been sick. FINALLY with the help of my progressive and most helpful vet were able to save one of our cats thanks to the miracle of vitamin C! If only I had gotten Chuckie on the drip sooner he would likely still be alive. It breaks my heart to see my remaining two kittens playing together now without Chuckie, though I will always smile and think of him when I look at our miracle girl Angelica, for he paid the ultimate price to save his sister. Because of Chuckie I knew just what to do and what NOT to do to save Angelica, so he did not die in vain. Anyway, I thought this might help clarify why and how the intravenous vitamin C works on these viruses and pathogens. Few cats ever survive FIP but thanks to Wendell Belfield, DVM, Linus Pauling and the great vitamin C pioneers before them, mine did, and I will be forever grateful. :-) If you need more information or have questions about Angelica's treatment, feel free to ask. Sally Snyder Jewell Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Angelica's miracle comeback from FIP and how it occurred
For those of you who saw my earlier post about my kitten Angelica and have wondered how vitamin C could have possibly saved her from FIP, I thought that perhaps the information below would help to explain it and convince others to try this highly effective and completely benign treatment for infections and viruses in their own cats. According to the pioneer in vitamin C research Dr. Fred Klenner, vitamin C intravenously works as an oxidizing agent in massive amounts, i.e., 5-150 grams, for certain pathological conditions), and neutralizes toxins, viruses and histamine. The more serious the condition, the more C is required. The ascorbic acid enters all cells and proceeds to take up the protein coats being manufactured by the virus nucleic acid, thus preventing the assembly of new virus units. Cells expand, rupture and die, but there are no virus particles available to enter and infect new cells. If a virus has invaded a cell, the Vitamin C contributes to its breakdown to adenosine deaminase, which converts adenosine to inosine. Purines are formed which are catabolized (broken down) and cannot be used to make more virus nucleic acid. Viral nucleic acid has a protein coat which protects this parasite as it rides the blood or lymph highway to gain specific cell entry. It is possible that if the ascorbic acid can remove that protective protein coat in the blood stream or in the cells, the white cell phagocytes and immune globulin could then neutralize these vulnerable virus particles. Ascorbic acid also joins with the available virus protein, making a new macromolecule which acts as the repressor factor (interferon?) and multiplication of new virus bodies is inhibited. Anyway, Angelica is home tonight - no fever, eating like a pig, and playing with her remaining brother Tommy. Today was her last drip and tonight you would never know she had been sick. FINALLY with the help of my progressive and most helpful vet were able to save one of our cats thanks to the miracle of vitamin C! If only I had gotten Chuckie on the drip sooner he would likely still be alive. It breaks my heart to see my remaining two kittens playing together now without Chuckie, though I will always smile and think of him when I look at our miracle girl Angelica, for he paid the ultimate price to save his sister. Because of Chuckie I knew just what to do and what NOT to do to save Angelica, so he did not die in vain. Anyway, I thought this might help clarify why and how the intravenous vitamin C works on these viruses and pathogens. Few cats ever survive FIP but thanks to Wendell Belfield, DVM, Linus Pauling and the great vitamin C pioneers before them, mine did, and I will be forever grateful. :-) If you need more information or have questions about Angelica's treatment, feel free to ask. Sally Snyder Jewell Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
