[Felvtalk] need some feedback on testing....

2010-03-12 Thread MaryChristine
this is going out to both the lists, and to some folks very involved in
special-needs rescue. so if i'm telling you things you already know, i
apologize!

there has been, in the past couple of months, a grand increase in the number
of cats testing positive on SNAP/ELISSA tests in shelter and rescue
settings, all over the country. houston/austin TX and the NYC/NJ area are
striking examples of the increase.

what's the reason? switch in test brands to the less expensive or less
accurate? so many cats coming into the system that the tests are being run
by folks who are either less experienced, or too harried to do the tests
correctly? a major injection of the virus into the outdoor-cat population? i
expect that we'd have heard about the latter if it were the case.

of course, we know that a single positive test -- even if done correctly,
with a reputable test -- means nothing more than that the kitty was exposed
to the virus. that a second test, preferably an IFA, performed 90-120 days
after the last possible exposure date, is required to confirm positive
status.

most people--including far too many vets--seem to have missed that basic
fact. in shelter situations, there is almost no chance that they can hold a
cat for retesting, and safe houses are very hard to come by.

i have consistently been telling folks NOT to do an IFA on a kitty who has
just tested positive on an ELISSA, because the IFA also tests only for
antigens--that if said fluffball is working on processing the virus out of
its body, it's gonna test positive on the IFA as well, without that 90-120
window for allowing the cat's immune system to take over.

i was just asked today whether or not it'd be a good idea to immediately
ELISSA-retest a kitty that tested positive in a shelter setting. because of
the huge increase in positive test results being seen right now, and the
fact that a positive result too often means death, i think that retesting at
a private vet's IS probably a good idea.

my question is this: might changing the recommendation, in *shelter-tested
cats*, to an immediate IFA be warranted? if the first test was accurate, and
kitty did test positive for exposure to FeLV, the IFA will show the same
response, and nothing has been lost: kitty still needs to be retested at the
90-120 day interval. if, however, the IFA is negative, because the first
test was really wrong, then we'd know immediately that kitty was fine and
ready for adoption. for vet-tested cats, i wouldn't run the IFA right away,
because of the exposure/antigen reasons (tho vets have self-reported that
doing SNAP tests wrong is on their top ten list of mistakes that make most
often), but with the sharp increase in shelter positives--what do y'all
think?

MC
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Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] need some feedback on testing....

2010-03-12 Thread Belinda Sauro

If it is the difference between life and death, absolutely do the IFA test.

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[Felvtalk] Is anyone here familiar with The Honest Kitchen cat food?

2010-03-12 Thread Avia Rauscher
I came across a mention of this food on Catster, and checked it out 
online. The cat food, Prowl, is listed as dehydrated raw but when I asked if it 
was safe for a FeLV+ cat, the company responded that the chicken is 
essentially cooked and so should be safe. They sent me a nutrition 
information sheet that I could forward to my vet to get her opinion. I left a 
voice mail with my vet asking about the food, but I don't expect to hear from 
her until tomorrow (today is her day off, well deserved).

I was feeding my dog frozen raw for awhile, but the vet I was using at 
that time advised against it, citing salmonella and e. coli exposure risks - 
not uncalled-for, given the big recall Nature's Variety is now conducting! I 
did some research online and got a lot of conflicting viewpoints. So I turn 
again to all of you! Is the risk the same for dehydrated raw? Are any of you 
familiar with this food? What do you think of feeding this type of food to FeLV 
cats?

Thank you!

Avia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed

2010-03-12 Thread dlgegg
I AM SO SORRY FOR YOU.  BABY GIRL IS NOW SAFE AND FREE FROM PAIN, GETTING ALL 
THE NECK RUBS SHE WANTS.  MY PRAYERS FOR YOU.  DORLIS
 LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've 
 had her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it 
 happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we 
 had a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple 
 of days ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head 
 rubs, but by the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I 
 was there. When I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely 
 breathing. I held her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she 
 shuddered, my lights flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, 
 Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last 
 remaining cat of my original FeLV group.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed

2010-03-12 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Laura,I am SO sorry Baby Girl has left.She was so lucky to have such a caring 
mom.Amazing that you said the lights flickered at the moment she passed.She was 
saying good bye.Hugs to you.And give Celery a scratch for me. 
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way

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From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 8:28 PM


Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've had 
her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it 
happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we had 
a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days 
ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, but by 
the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I was there. When 
I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held 
her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she shuddered, my lights 
flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty 
Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original FeLV 
group.
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Re: [Felvtalk] need some feedback on testing....

2010-03-12 Thread dlgegg
IS THERE NO WAY THEY CAN ISOLATE THE POSITIVES UNTIL TIME TO RETEST, PUT UP A 
TEMPORARY PARTITION IN THE CAT ROOM?  WE KNOW THAT FELV DIES WHEN THE BODY 
FLUIDS FOR THE POS CAT IS DRY AND NO LONGER CONTAGIOUS SO IT WOULDN'T BE HARD 
TO PREVENT CONTACT.  I HAVE 2 POSITIVES IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH 6 NEGATIVES.  
THEY HAVE HISSING AND SWATTING BATTLES AND NONE OF MY NEGATIVES HAVE BEEN 
CONTAMINATED.  INFACT, MY 2 POSITIVES ARE SO HEALTHY LOOKING THAT NO ONE 
BELIEVES THEY ARE POS.  OF COURSE, ALL MY NEGATIVES ARE VACCINATED, BUT SO 
SHOULD THE NEGATIVES AT THE SHELTER.  WE RETESTED ANNIE AND NITNOY AT 6 MONTHS 
AFTER  THEIR FIRST TEST.  THEY ARE BOTH STILL POSITIVE, BUT SHOWING NO SIGNS OF 
THE DISEASE.
 MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
 this is going out to both the lists, and to some folks very involved in
 special-needs rescue. so if i'm telling you things you already know, i
 apologize!
 
 there has been, in the past couple of months, a grand increase in the number
 of cats testing positive on SNAP/ELISSA tests in shelter and rescue
 settings, all over the country. houston/austin TX and the NYC/NJ area are
 striking examples of the increase.
 
 what's the reason? switch in test brands to the less expensive or less
 accurate? so many cats coming into the system that the tests are being run
 by folks who are either less experienced, or too harried to do the tests
 correctly? a major injection of the virus into the outdoor-cat population? i
 expect that we'd have heard about the latter if it were the case.
 
 of course, we know that a single positive test -- even if done correctly,
 with a reputable test -- means nothing more than that the kitty was exposed
 to the virus. that a second test, preferably an IFA, performed 90-120 days
 after the last possible exposure date, is required to confirm positive
 status.
 
 most people--including far too many vets--seem to have missed that basic
 fact. in shelter situations, there is almost no chance that they can hold a
 cat for retesting, and safe houses are very hard to come by.
 
 i have consistently been telling folks NOT to do an IFA on a kitty who has
 just tested positive on an ELISSA, because the IFA also tests only for
 antigens--that if said fluffball is working on processing the virus out of
 its body, it's gonna test positive on the IFA as well, without that 90-120
 window for allowing the cat's immune system to take over.
 
 i was just asked today whether or not it'd be a good idea to immediately
 ELISSA-retest a kitty that tested positive in a shelter setting. because of
 the huge increase in positive test results being seen right now, and the
 fact that a positive result too often means death, i think that retesting at
 a private vet's IS probably a good idea.
 
 my question is this: might changing the recommendation, in *shelter-tested
 cats*, to an immediate IFA be warranted? if the first test was accurate, and
 kitty did test positive for exposure to FeLV, the IFA will show the same
 response, and nothing has been lost: kitty still needs to be retested at the
 90-120 day interval. if, however, the IFA is negative, because the first
 test was really wrong, then we'd know immediately that kitty was fine and
 ready for adoption. for vet-tested cats, i wouldn't run the IFA right away,
 because of the exposure/antigen reasons (tho vets have self-reported that
 doing SNAP tests wrong is on their top ten list of mistakes that make most
 often), but with the sharp increase in shelter positives--what do y'all
 think?
 
 MC
 -- 
 Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
 Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
 MaryChristine
 Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed

2010-03-12 Thread create_me_new
I'm so sorry you lost her,  so soon after Frosty Paws. At least she didn't 
suffer for a long time. I'm hoping your house stays healthy for a while now.
Beth
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From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:28:45 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed

Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've had 
her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it 
happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we had 
a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days 
ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, but by 
the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I was there. When 
I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held 
her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she shuddered, my lights 
flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty 
Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original FeLV 
group.
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2010-03-12 Thread dlgegg
WHEN I WAS VERY YOUNG A DR. USED GENTIAN VIOLET ON ME FOR RINGWORM.  WORKED, 
HAIR IN THAT AREA HAS ALWAYS BEEN THICKER AND CURLIER.
 Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
 
 Topically I've used Golden Seal for ringworm, and it works well.  If that 
 doesn't work I try Gentian Violet (which is  very purple 
 and messy but has always worked well).   Orally I've used Grisiofulvin once 
 or twice.  I have one FIV kitty with skin issues right 
 now and am using Sebazole (sp) and seems to work well for him. I get a wet 
 rag and apply it topially, with warm water.   Not sure 
 what his skin problem is, though, probably not ringworm.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 --- Original Message ---
 From: Diane Tyler[mailto:drty...@spenserslegacy.org]
 Sent: 3/3/2010 6:23:45 PM
 To  : felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc  : 
 Subject : RE: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 
  I've had lots of success using Program for ringworm. I've used it twice:
 this year and several years ago for groups of four or more cats. The dosage
 suggestions can be found at this website:
 
  http://www.vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html 
 
 I know lots of people might not agree that this is an effective treatment,
 but again, it has worked for me and is certainly a lot less stressful than
 bathing or dipping.
 
 Good luck!
 
 Diane
 
 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote:
 
  just wondering if anyone had a FeLV baby with ringworm?  Whimsy is not
  inside yet, but has started to yank his own fur out - he's got a few red
  spots suddenly that look similiar to scraped knees in people.  I'm planning
  on doing a skin scrape per my vet's instructions but I'm concerned if a) the
  test takes time to send to a lab is ok to bring him in? b) I won't be able
  to bathe him / nor do the sulfar dips, so it would have to be oral meds c)
  can I treat him while he's outside for this?
 
  I can't risk our whole household being infected especially with two other
  immune supressed kitties.
 
  ugh, this throws a curve ball into the plan.  This just started about 1 wk
  ago with lesions appearing about 3 days ago.  I was hoping to get him back
  to the vet and inside over the next week.
 
  Thanks so much, these posts are so helpful and interesting.
  Shannon
 
  anyone else's experiences would be interesting to hear.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] any advice

2010-03-12 Thread dlgegg
MY 2 BABIES HAD JUST BEEN SPAYED AND NEUTERED AND VET SAID DON'T GIVE FOOD OR 
LET OUT UNTIL THE AM.  THEY WERE PRACTICALLY RIPPING THE CARRIERS APART AND 
SCREAMING TO GET OUT.  SO I LET THEM OUT AND THEY STOPPED THE SCREAMING.  ALL 
THEY WANTED WAS T SIT ON MY LAP AND SNUGGLE AND THEY FELT THEY WERE BEING 
PUNISHED.  THEN THEY WANTED TO EAT, SO I PUT 1 JAR BABY FOOD IN A BOWL AND 
ADDED 1 JAR OF WARM WATER.  THEY SCARFED IT DOWN IN NO TIME AND NEVER LOOKED 
BACK.  BY THE NEXT MORNING THEY WERE CLIMBING THE ROCK FIREPLACE.  SO BBY FOOD 
IS GOOD.
 Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Jeanne, you already received some good advise about feeding Scooter.  The 
 Feline Assist Feeding group has some good files that will help you assist 
 feed Scooter.  Here is the link.
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
 
 I've found food to be the best appetite stimulant.  Often several small meals 
 works better than a couple of larger meals.  Gently warmed meat baby food (no 
 onions or garlic) is a favorite at our house.  Mine prefer Gerber's 2 Chicken 
 and Gravy.  The advantage is a jar has 100 calories. 
 
 You can offer it straight or mixed with Scooter's regular food.
 Good luck
 Sharyl 
 
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  From: jeanne ogrady jobarbied...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] any advice
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 2:07 PM
  HI MY CAT SCOOTER HAS FELINE LEUK.
  SHE IS STARTING TO STRUGGLE EATING ON AND OFF. ANY ADVISE
  ABOUT DRUGS TO BOOST THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. OR OTHER METHODS
  THAT ANYONE HAS TRIED. THANKS MUCH APPRECIATED. JEANNE
  
  
        
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: vaccination questions

2010-03-12 Thread dlgegg
AH YES, EXPENSES.  IT IS ALMOST TO THE OINT THAT I SPEND MORE ON THEIR FOOD 
THAN I DO ON MY OWN.  GOOD THING I AM VEGETARIAN, CHEAPER THAN MEAT.
 Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Both of my babies are due for check-ups and I had them run estimates on 
 titres and shots etc.  I personally believe that vaccinations should be 
 reserved for when they're needed medically.  I have signed legal waivers in 
 the past to forgo the rabies shots for my boys.  But when cost is an issue, 
 things get complicated.
 
 current prices @ my clinic:
 
 FVRCP and rabies are each $22
 
 The titre test for panleuk runs $47.50 (venipuncture charge here is $21.24, 
 but they're pulling blood for the CBCs etc, so it's a wash).
 
 The titre test for rabies? $130
  
 It really really really bothers me that the medically reasonable course is 
 over five times the cost
 so while i really believe that a titre before a vaccination is the way to go, 
 i simply can't afford it right now (we're condo-shopping).  and i certainly 
 can't do what i used to and take both kits in at the same time for check-ups!
 
 
 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 
 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
 his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
 - Anonymous
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 1:40:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Subject:  vaccination questions
 
 You can have titre tests done to check the level of antibody in the cat's 
 system. I would say just forgo the vaccinations and/or titres if you are sure 
 that the cat won't be hospitalized or boarded. Many vet hospitals and 
 boarding facilities will not allow an animal to be admitted without proof of 
 vaccination. While a certificate from your vet may get you past any state 
 laws (like in NY) that require rabies vaccination, vet hospitals and boarding 
 facilities are breeding grounds for germs and your kitty may end up exposed 
 and unprotected. My vet pointed this out to me when I brought Horus (who has 
 asthma)  Blackie in for their annuals and questioned annual vaccinations.
 
 Avia
 
 
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[Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat Babies

2010-03-12 Thread M C
Hello,

I'm joining this list serv with a heavy heart. We rescued a young Mom cat  and 
her 4 babies. They appeared healthy for all intents and circumstances.

Mom just tested positive for FeLV, 2 babies also did (one slight positive, the 
other one was definitely positive), and 2 tested negative on the Elisa.

I need some help in deciding what to do...

I'd love some feedback, as the Internet only yields so much useful 
information...

1. If the two kittens tested negative, are they likely negative?

2. Should the positive kitten be separated from the slightly positive one as 
well?

3. If Momma is about 6 mos old, how likely is it that she has FeLV, considering 
2 of the babies also tested for it? Is there a chance she too could fight off 
the infection? At what point should Mom be retested with the PCR or IFA?

4. What supplements or foods should we feed these kitties, to help them fight 
off the virus?

5. How long does Mom have to live, if she is confirmed to have FeLV? What are 
the alternatives? We rescue a lot of kittens and cats, so she will end up 
living in a cage alone unless we can find her a new home, which I doubt is 
going to be very likely. We don't have the funds to send her to a sanctuary, 
and we also have several FIV positive cats we are sanctuarying. Space is also 
an issue, as that is one less cat or litter we can rescue since she will be in 
that cage for a long, long time...

I'd appreciate your insights and thoughts.

Thanks,

Minnie


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed

2010-03-12 Thread D.S.Louis
So sorry to hear of your lossI too have held them as they took their last 
breath.and rocked them
 


 
A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS.

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From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 5:28 PM


Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've had 
her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it 
happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we had 
a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days 
ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, but by 
the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I was there. When 
I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held 
her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she shuddered, my lights 
flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty 
Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original FeLV 
group.
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