Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster
There is no evidence of the FELV vaccine causing a cat to turn FELV positive. There is truth however to the FIV vaccine causing cats to test positive. That is why my clinic requires either tattooing or microchipping if an owner wants the FIV vaccine. Hope this helps. Tanya --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 5:00 PM I have never heard this before and have had FELV cats since 2003, and read up on it, used to more than I do now. I seriously doubt if there's any truth to it at all. Perhaps they're getting mixed up with the FIV vaccine causing a cat to TEST positive for FIV (not turn positive though). Gloria On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Emma Lively wrote: Is it true that the felv vaccine can cause a cat to turn positive in the future? I heard this from a friend and it shocked me because another friend has a healthy cat who received her felv vaccine and booster last year. All her pets are indoor and outdoor animals. She has 1 cat and two dogs. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster
- Original Message - On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Emma Lively wrote: Is it true that the felv vaccine can cause a cat to turn positive in the future? Impossible. The virus used in the FeLV vaccine is a killed virus. The only vaccines that have a *remote* potential to cause disease are Modified Live Virus vaccines. Frank ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
ah, but have you ever TRIED hot sauce? calicos (and honorary ones, such as abysinnians and bengals) actually seem to like it! the age-old benefits of dandelions is why i suggested that, rather than, say, pennyroyal, which while it's a great pesticide, is (if i recall correctly) toxic if ingested. (wonderful to throw around the yard, tho, if you have dogs--enough oil to repel the fleas!) -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv
re-read it folks, the cats were NOT tested with the IFA as far as i can tell--just progressive SNAPs. they state that the IDEXX test is for ANTIGENS (exposure) as i keep emphasizing, so the fact that the cat is ultimately negative on a snap just proves what has actually been known for a long time: 70% of cats will NOT remain viremic! and the very fact that they consistently say HIV for a feline population tells me that they don't know their anal glands from their whiskers: HIV is specific to humans, FIV to cats. (what part of FELINE don't these people get?? ) i also seriously question the reversal of the FIV cats, as i've never seen or heard anything reliable in the literature about WESTERN-BLOT positive FIVs being able to throw off the virus once it's established (which is what the FIV part of the snap tests for, actual antibodies.) i'll send this on to joel for his review, where was this published, j? i can't believe it could have been in a peer-reviewed pub, or that HIV/FIV nomenclature would have been caught. thanks for sharing it, tho. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster
this is an old myth that continues to make the rounds. the FeLV virus does not, and cannot, cause a cat to become positive. in fact, there is anecdotal evidence on this list, that vaccinating a truly positive FeLV increases their lifespan! (anyone on this list also on Fan-H? gloria, maybe? there was just a discussion on the differences between the kinds of vaccines that looked really good--i don't have the time right now to go grab all the discussion.) as for the FIV vaccine, it doesn't cause FIV either, it just produces antibodies that will make the cat TEST positive on both the SNAP and Western Blot test. bless that vet who realizes this (tho all should), and insists upon identifying the cat's reason for a positive test! MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv
trmckel...@charter.net wrote: Thank you for this information, could you provide a reference, so I could review the original work? I'd also like to strongly caution that even though something looks really good in a research article, it doesn't mean it is effective or even safe, especially when it involves animal testing for use in humans. First hand experience on this one. Thanks, Terry jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: = I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in viral status to negative. I copied and pasted it. EXAMPLES In vivo testing was performed to demonstrate the startling effectiveness of the treatment methods described herein. A series of laboratory tests were conducted on retrovirus-infected cats. In the preferred treatment regimen, the animal suffering from HIV(+), is administered relatively large doses of both water-soluble and fat-soluble antioxidants such as Vitamins C, A and E; an effective amount of at least one glutathione precursor such as N-acetyl cysteine; followed by an NFKB induction inhibitor such as one or more anti-inflammatory steroids or lazaroids. As summarized. in Table 4 below, seven cats heavily infected with HIV or FIV were treated according to the methods described and claimed herein. Each cat weighed approximately 10 to about 18 pounds. The cats were initially treated with a single dosage of an effective amount of an NFKB induction inhibitor, that is an anti-inflammatory steroid dose of DEPO-MEDROL (20-25 mg) and a series of oral dosages of a glutathione precursor, N-acetyl cysteine. The amount of N-acetyl cysteine administered with food to each cat was 1,200 mg per day. In addition, large dosages of fat-soluble and water-soluble antibxidants, Vitamins E, C, and A were administered to the cats orally every day by mixing in cat food. Vitamin E was administered at a dosage of 400 IU per day to each cat and Vitamin C was administered at a level of 500 mg per day to each cat. Vitamins A, K, and copper and zinc were also administered via 1 PET TABS per day to each cat. PET TABS is a commercially available multivitamin for pets such as cats, and is available from Smith-Kline Beecham. The treated cats: were monitored by ELISA assay for feline leukemia viruses antigen/feline immunodeficiency virus antibody test (CITE PRO COMBO: Programmed Biodetection available from IDEXX Corp. of Portland, Me.) for about two weeks. Of the seven cats tested, all seven appeared to have been cured from their earlier infection of feline leukemia, feline AIDS or both. The treatment process lasted one to two months of continual treatment with N-acetyl cysteine and high dosages of Vitamins C, E and A and periodic administration of anti-inflammatory steroids. TABLE 4 EFFECT OF ANTIRETROVIRAL THERAPY ON RETROVIRUS-INFECTED CATS Age Sex Name Assay Symptoms Assay 8 F Champagne FELV(+), hair loss, lost teeth FELV(-), FIV(+) FIV(-) 8 M Precious FELV(+), vomiting, dental FELV(-), FIV(+) problems FIV(-) 9 F Missy FELV(+), Bloody diarrhea, FELV(-), FIV(+) problems dental FIV(-) 11 M Sampson FIV(+) vomiting, gum red FIV(-) 8 M Josey FELV(+) teeth loss, no FELV(-)appetite, lungproblem 10 M Patch FIV(+) poor appetite, FIV(-)lethargy 12 M Bud FIV(+) weight loss, no FIV(-) appetite Notes 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPO-MEDROL (anti-inflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered N-acetyl cysteine, 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champagne, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems, bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retrovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. Treatments were performed by a licensed veterinarian. The treatment methods were also performed by a second veterinarian. The second set of treatments were also successful. In an optional treatment
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv vaccine and booster
Nope don't know about that list mc but interested. I'll check it out. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 11:00 AM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: this is an old myth that continues to make the rounds. the FeLV virus does not, and cannot, cause a cat to become positive. in fact, there is anecdotal evidence on this list, that vaccinating a truly positive FeLV increases their lifespan! (anyone on this list also on Fan-H? gloria, maybe? there was just a discussion on the differences between the kinds of vaccines that looked really good--i don't have the time right now to go grab all the discussion.) as for the FIV vaccine, it doesn't cause FIV either, it just produces antibodies that will make the cat TEST positive on both the SNAP and Western Blot test. bless that vet who realizes this (tho all should), and insists upon identifying the cat's reason for a positive test! MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] folks in NYC metro area DESPERATELY needed for fostering/holding FeLVs for retesting
PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST RESPONSIBLY GRANTED! (actually, i'm begging.) as many of you know, for whatever reasons, there is an epidemic of FeLV cats in shelters and rescues all over the country. in none of these cases do the receiving groups seem to understand about the SNAP test being for EXPOSURE, not infection; and even in the very few cases where they do, they don't have room to hold them, anyway. many of these cats are not only asymptomatic, but very healthy--and many were clearly housecats tossed out onto the streets, possibly because their humans couldn't afford their care any longer. in that case, their having recently been exposed is even more likely than in more street-experienced cats. what they need are halfway houses: felv-savvy places to hang out, even in a condo cage if that's all that's available, until their little furry bodies have had a chance to process out the virus, or, if truly positive, to lounge around until their forever homes appear. if you have EVER, ever considered fostering, now is a time of great need--for all cats and dogs, but most especially for these very misunderstood (and usually misdiagnosed) dears. (lots of FIVs coming in, too, but the western blot can be run immediately after the snap, so there's no waiting time required.) if you can help, PLEASE emeow me, and i'll not only add you to my own contact list, but let you know which other groups to contact! MC--but you knew that, didn't you? -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Do you know why....
If a cat tests negative for feline leukemia why does the vet recommend a second test in two months? What are the possibilities of the same cat testing positive the second time? Reyna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
