Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Sharyl
Bonnie,
It is always best to go slow.  After another week you could put Lucky in a 
carrier and set it in a room used by your other cats.  You could put the others 
in his room and let him roam the house for an hour or so.  That give them all a 
chance to get used to each others scent.  It would also give Lucky safe time to 
explore the rest of your home.  Here are some links you might want to read on 
introducing a new cat.

You can add Bach Rescue Remedy to everyone's water.  Feliway diffusers 
strategically placed around your home will help calm everyone.  

http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/tips/introducing_new_cat.html

http://www.fourpaws.org/pages/adopting_pages/introducing_cats.html

http://www.aspcabehavior.org/articles/26/Introducing-Your-Cat-to-a-New-Cat.aspx

Sharyl

--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 11:32 PM
 So here is a question about
 Integrating a New Cat
 I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear
 him meow.  Some even peer under the door and hiss at
 him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door and say
 Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up
 so they can see eachother for a few days?  It's been a
 week and I figured after another week it's time for poor
 Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is vaccinated, of
 course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.
 Help?



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Natalie
A screen is the best thing!  I installed a screen door between a bathroom
and another room, where newcomers get to know others, or it's used as a
sickroom.  That's the best way!
You can take a drop of vanilla, rub between your palms, and then touch all
cats on the sides of their faces where they have the facial pheromones.
They will all smell the same.  Right now, of course, it's also the visual
factor. Feliway spray also great, but costs . Good luck!  It will
happen.  I do it all the time, and now there are about 70 cats living in
coexistence, that doesn't mean that there are no little cliques of cats, no
disagreements, but they know their space!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.  Some even 
peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door 
and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up so they can 
see eachother for a few days?  It's been a week and I figured after another 
week it's time for poor Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is 
vaccinated, of course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.
Help?
- Original Message - 
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


 THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE 
 BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again. 
 Use
 some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
 Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
 them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have 
 absolutely
 no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
 roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it 
 happens
 too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
 nonetheless!.Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 Importance: High

 Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
 keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
 ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
 about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
 trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
 Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
 mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



 On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

  Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
  Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
  keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
  life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
  might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
  My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
  sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
  uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
  that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
  - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE 
  sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
  with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
  FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old
  is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good
  chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6
  weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it
  still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if
  the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it
  cannot be eliminated from the body.
 I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.
  I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them
  together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I
  don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg
  turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.
 
  Hope this helps,
  Tanya
 
  --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Thanks, Sharyl.
I slept in Lucky's room with him last night -- he is still nocturnal and 
wakes me up throughout the night.  He slept good last night on the bed with 
me until 4 a.m.
This morning, after everyone had had breakfast, I brought Lucky out into the 
hallway (holding onto him).  My boy-cat Will got a good look, as did Miya 
the rehab'd feral.  Stormy has seen him before.  There was some general 
anxiety, but I figure, it's a start.  I'll get some feliway and try that 
too.  The worse part now is his meowing and pawing the door at night.  I'm 
exhausted!
- Original Message - 
From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



Bonnie,
It is always best to go slow.  After another week you could put Lucky in a 
carrier and set it in a room used by your other cats.  You could put the 
others in his room and let him roam the house for an hour or so.  That 
give them all a chance to get used to each others scent.  It would also 
give Lucky safe time to explore the rest of your home.  Here are some 
links you might want to read on introducing a new cat.


You can add Bach Rescue Remedy to everyone's water.  Feliway diffusers 
strategically placed around your home will help calm everyone.


http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/tips/introducing_new_cat.html

http://www.fourpaws.org/pages/adopting_pages/introducing_cats.html

http://www.aspcabehavior.org/articles/26/Introducing-Your-Cat-to-a-New-Cat.aspx

Sharyl

--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:


From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 11:32 PM
So here is a question about
Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom. The other 3 hear
him meow. Some even peer under the door and hiss at
him. So, what's next? Just open the door and say
Hello, everyone!? Or maybe put a screen or fence up
so they can see eachother for a few days? It's been a
week and I figured after another week it's time for poor
Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is vaccinated, of
course). I'm stressing out over what to do.
Help?






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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Awesome -- it gives me Hope!!!
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



A screen is the best thing!  I installed a screen door between a bathroom
and another room, where newcomers get to know others, or it's used as a
sickroom.  That's the best way!
You can take a drop of vanilla, rub between your palms, and then touch all
cats on the sides of their faces where they have the facial pheromones.
They will all smell the same.  Right now, of course, it's also the visual
factor. Feliway spray also great, but costs . Good luck!  It will
happen.  I do it all the time, and now there are about 70 cats living in
coexistence, that doesn't mean that there are no little cliques of cats, 
no

disagreements, but they know their space!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.  Some even
peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door
and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up so they can
see eachother for a few days?  It's been a week and I figured after 
another

week it's time for poor Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is
vaccinated, of course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.
Help?
- Original Message - 
From: dlg...@windstream.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE
BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again.
Use
some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have
absolutely
no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have 
a

roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it
happens
too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
 Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
 keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
 life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
 might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
 My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
 sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
 uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
 that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
 - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE
 sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


   How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
 with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
 FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old
 is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good
 chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6
 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it
 still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if
 the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it
 cannot be eliminated from the body.
I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.
 I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them
 together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I
 don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg
 turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.

 Hope 

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2010-09-21 Thread Natalie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introductions

2010-09-21 Thread Lorrie
A screen door is what I use. After my cats have looked at
the newcomer for a couple of weeks they are well acquainted
when I let the new one out.

Lorrie

On 09-21, Natalie wrote:

 A screen is the best thing!  I installed a screen door between a
 bathroom and another room, where newcomers get to know others, or
 it's used as a sickroom.  That's the best way! You can take a drop
 of vanilla, rub between your palms, and then touch all cats on the
 sides of their faces where they have the facial pheromones. They
 will all smell the same.  Right now, of course, it's also the
 visual factor. Feliway spray also great, but costs . Good luck! 
 It will happen.  I do it all the time, and now there are about 70
 cats living in coexistence, that doesn't mean that there are no
 little cliques of cats, no disagreements, but they know their
 space!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:33 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 Importance: High
 
 So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat I've got
 Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.  Some even
 peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?  Just open
 the door and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or
 fence up so they can see eachother for a few days?  It's been a
 week and I figured after another week it's time for poor Lucky to
 join the crowd (after everyone is vaccinated, of course).  I'm
 stressing out over what to do. Help?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Cougar Clan
Check with your vet re the time the vaccinations need to be  
effective.  I suspect it is more than a week or two.  It has taken 6  
weeks for a dog and two cats to semi-make peace.  Don't rush it.  All  
that will happen is that everyone, including you, will be stressed  
out.  Take your time.  I know it is hard but do it for all your sakes.

On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.   
Some even peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?   
Just open the door and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a  
screen or fence up so they can see eachother for a few days?  It's  
been a week and I figured after another week it's time for poor  
Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is vaccinated, of course).   
I'm stressing out over what to do.

Help?
- Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME  
THE BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.

 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out  
again. Use

some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't  
release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have  
absolutely
no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to  
have a
roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some  
it happens
too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch  
potatoes,

nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar  
Clan

Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I  
live

trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
 Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and  
7.  I
 keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to  
that
 life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his  
age, he

 might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
 My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter  
box

 sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
 uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I  
know

 that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
 - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE  sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


   How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
 with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
 FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How  
old

 is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good
 chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6
 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it
 still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see  
if

 the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it
 cannot be eliminated from the body.
I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive  
cat.

 I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them
 together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I
 don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg
 turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.

 Hope this helps,
 Tanya

 --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
 All vaccines are only about 80%
 effectiveI really don't have much
 experience with this because I have two very healthy
 FeLV+ cats, living
 separately from others. But I would think that if
 retested, being only a
 weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
 seems to have been
 really run down, the immune system was definitely
 compromised, fighting an
 infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread paola cresti


Melinda,
I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away 
from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small 
patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather 
small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they 
have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside 
and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out 
easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of them 
if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one 
meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half 
feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's 
adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. 

When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them 
in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the 
garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at 
intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I 
noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's 
so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had 
to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him 
out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to 
taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks 
like 
a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's 
going 
and if I call him back.

There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who 
is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the 
outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he 
took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then 
took 
him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it 
and that was the last time he chased him.

They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you 
want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please 
you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad 
that they would be made to feel that way.

Paola





From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most 
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the 
likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another 
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states and 
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.  The 
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 
mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes 
outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since 
she 
got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't 
worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of 
hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.  


Thanks again for your input and concern.  

Melinda and  Fuji  
On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:
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