Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-17 Thread Tracey Shrout
Stacy, I used to use Frontline on my 5 kitties but was always worried about
the toxicity of it. I started researching and found a great list about the
toxicity of flea and tick products on the NRDC (national resource defense
council) website. I've always questioned the safeness of those topical
treatments, and was reassured by my vets, but, come on, how can they be safe
when they say YOU should not get them on YOUR skin? Anyway, I decided to go
with Program. The one I buy is the kind you mix in their food. I was leery
that they wouldn't eat it, but all 5 cats ate it w/no problem. It was one of
the products on the list that was considered to have very low
toxicity. Here's the link:
http://www.greenpaws.org/_docs/GP_productlist.pdf  It lists them in order of
risk. I have had no problem with fleas this year, and 4 of my 5 cats go
outside.


On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and
 confirm if he does have fleas or not.  He eats from only stainless steel or
 ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause the lump
 under his chin.  So far I've found natural flea products with neem oil,
 clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil,
 eucalyptus oil, cedar oil  (combinations of these).   I will ask the vet
 about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas.
 Hope to be flea free,
 Stacy and Spanky

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 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
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 www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All
 kinds of natural products.
 www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to
 spray
 around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can
 use
 the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are
 introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas.
 The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the
 better!

 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

 If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken
 for flea dirt.  Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using
 only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives
 against fleasthe cedar one is good.  We use nematodes to spray around
 the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 create_me_...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

 I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will
 cause severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every
 month  I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will
 deprive the cat of nutrients.
 Beth
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
 Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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 Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

 Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking
 dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs
 around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they
 couldn't be fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm
 here
 in WI this week.

 Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system
 for
 fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat
 him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think
 that
 would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection
 and bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for
 identification.

 Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky

 stacy_zac...@yahoo.com



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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea products

2010-10-17 Thread Lorrie
Thanks for the info..  I have always been wary of all those flea
products as they are pesticides, and the warning about us not getting
it on our skin tells the story!  A little bit on our skin couldn't
possibly be as bad as the entire tube on our cats!

Lorrie and 14 cats in WV

Cats are independent. They don't listen, they don't come when you
call, they like to stay out all night, and when they're home they
like to be left alone to sleep. In other words, every quality women
hate in a man, they love in a cat!

  /\  /\
 (  ^^  )
  


 On 10-17, Tracey Shrout wrote:  I used to use Frontline on my 5
 kitties but was always worried about the toxicity of it. I started
 researching and found a great list about the toxicity of flea and
 tick products on the NRDC (national resource defense council)
 website. I've always questioned the safeness of those topical
 treatments, and was reassured by my vets, but, come on, how can
 they be safe when they say YOU should not get them on YOUR skin?
 Anyway, I decided to go with Program. The one I buy is the kind you
 mix in their food. I was leery that they wouldn't eat it, but all 5
 cats ate it w/no problem. It was one of the products on the list
 that was considered to have very low toxicity. Here's the link:
 http://www.greenpaws.org/_docs/GP_productlist.pdf It lists them in
 order of risk. I have had no problem with fleas this year, and 4 of
 my 5 cats go outside.
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote:
 
  Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and
  confirm if he does have fleas or not.  He eats from only stainless steel or
  ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause the lump
  under his chin.  So far I've found natural flea products with neem oil,
  clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil,
  eucalyptus oil, cedar oil  (combinations of these).   I will ask the vet
  about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas.
  Hope to be flea free,
  Stacy and Spanky
 
  Message: 7
  Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas
  Message-ID: 004401cb6a14$8f137ba0$ad3a72...@net
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
  www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All
  kinds of natural products.
  www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to
  spray
  around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can
  use
  the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are
  introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas.
  The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the
  better!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM
  To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
  Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas
 
  If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken
  for flea dirt.  Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using
  only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives
  against fleasthe cedar one is good.  We use nematodes to spray around
  the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
  create_me_...@yahoo.com
  Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas
 
  I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will
  cause severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every
  month  I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will
  deprive the cat of nutrients.
  Beth
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
  Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas
 
  Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking
  dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs
  around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they
  couldn't be fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm
  here
  in WI this week.
 
  Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system
  for
  fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat
  him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think
  that
  would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection
  and bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for
  

[Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after 2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)

2010-10-17 Thread Alice Flowers
It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy nose. He 
got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he wasn't 
eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat anything 
with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that I 
bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have water 
all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water 
dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats drink 
out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get from 
my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 in 
the 
PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta both 
ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and they 
said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam (he 
already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned the 
fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel 
caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled all 
the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he was 
getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave him 
his 
LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still sleeping 
alot 
Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is 
following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again. 
Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray with 2 
parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into 4 
wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may have 
helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a 
forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and barely 
any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on his 
little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the corner 
of 
the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he and 
Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits and 
waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food! Anyway-that's 
our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little time 
to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune 
system 
is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it?   Alice  (Rosie and Murphy 
too!)
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