Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas
Stacy, I used to use Frontline on my 5 kitties but was always worried about the toxicity of it. I started researching and found a great list about the toxicity of flea and tick products on the NRDC (national resource defense council) website. I've always questioned the safeness of those topical treatments, and was reassured by my vets, but, come on, how can they be safe when they say YOU should not get them on YOUR skin? Anyway, I decided to go with Program. The one I buy is the kind you mix in their food. I was leery that they wouldn't eat it, but all 5 cats ate it w/no problem. It was one of the products on the list that was considered to have very low toxicity. Here's the link: http://www.greenpaws.org/_docs/GP_productlist.pdf It lists them in order of risk. I have had no problem with fleas this year, and 4 of my 5 cats go outside. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and confirm if he does have fleas or not. He eats from only stainless steel or ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause the lump under his chin. So far I've found natural flea products with neem oil, clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil, eucalyptus oil, cedar oil (combinations of these). I will ask the vet about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas. Hope to be flea free, Stacy and Spanky Message: 7 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas Message-ID: 004401cb6a14$8f137ba0$ad3a72...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All kinds of natural products. www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to spray around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can use the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas. The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the better! -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken for flea dirt. Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives against fleasthe cedar one is good. We use nematodes to spray around the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will cause severe anemia comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every month I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will deprive the cat of nutrients. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they couldn't be fleas. I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here in WI this week. Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for fleas. I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat him. He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that would be good for him now. We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection and bloodwork. I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for identification. Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea products
Thanks for the info.. I have always been wary of all those flea products as they are pesticides, and the warning about us not getting it on our skin tells the story! A little bit on our skin couldn't possibly be as bad as the entire tube on our cats! Lorrie and 14 cats in WV Cats are independent. They don't listen, they don't come when you call, they like to stay out all night, and when they're home they like to be left alone to sleep. In other words, every quality women hate in a man, they love in a cat! /\ /\ ( ^^ ) On 10-17, Tracey Shrout wrote: I used to use Frontline on my 5 kitties but was always worried about the toxicity of it. I started researching and found a great list about the toxicity of flea and tick products on the NRDC (national resource defense council) website. I've always questioned the safeness of those topical treatments, and was reassured by my vets, but, come on, how can they be safe when they say YOU should not get them on YOUR skin? Anyway, I decided to go with Program. The one I buy is the kind you mix in their food. I was leery that they wouldn't eat it, but all 5 cats ate it w/no problem. It was one of the products on the list that was considered to have very low toxicity. Here's the link: http://www.greenpaws.org/_docs/GP_productlist.pdf It lists them in order of risk. I have had no problem with fleas this year, and 4 of my 5 cats go outside. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and confirm if he does have fleas or not. He eats from only stainless steel or ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause the lump under his chin. So far I've found natural flea products with neem oil, clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil, eucalyptus oil, cedar oil (combinations of these). I will ask the vet about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas. Hope to be flea free, Stacy and Spanky Message: 7 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas Message-ID: 004401cb6a14$8f137ba0$ad3a72...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All kinds of natural products. www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to spray around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can use the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas. The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the better! -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken for flea dirt. Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives against fleasthe cedar one is good. We use nematodes to spray around the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will cause severe anemia comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every month I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will deprive the cat of nutrients. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they couldn't be fleas. I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here in WI this week. Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for fleas. I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat him. He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that would be good for him now. We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection and bloodwork. I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for
[Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after 2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)
It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy nose. He got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he wasn't eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat anything with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that I bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have water all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats drink out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get from my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 in the PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta both ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and they said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam (he already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned the fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled all the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he was getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave him his LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still sleeping alot Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again. Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray with 2 parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into 4 wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may have helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and barely any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on his little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the corner of the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he and Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits and waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food! Anyway-that's our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little time to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune system is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it? Alice (Rosie and Murphy too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org