Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

2010-10-20 Thread Natalie
I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for
cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
abandoned cats at one time.  And when I say feral, you couldn't even get
near them for a long time until they trusted us.  It's easy - you are the
one that controls the door.  Most decide that it's so great inside that they
don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of
experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our
rescue group.  Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't -
but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always
accepted our hospitality very gratefully!  Natalie

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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV
'former feral' - to permenantly indoor.  I don't let out my kitties, but
Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status.  He has the
sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some
evenings.  When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has
started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the
street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were planning
on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time to
break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without your
mom and dad.
 
Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, we
have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap him,
couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called.   I want to make the
leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle him
(picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to stress
him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just
toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us?  
 
He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone too
long, and I don't want him to get depressed.  Adding another FeLV kitty
would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have with
various ailments.  I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse off,
if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV.  Whimsy for now has
been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old.  I hope he's one of the ones
that can sustain health for a long time.  I also don't know how he'd act
around another kitty.  
 
so, in summary - 
 
1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do?
2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him?
 
thank you,
Shannon and Whimsy
 
 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today

2010-10-20 Thread Beth
Will be thinking about little Murphy baby  you, Alice.

Beth
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From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 9:13 PM

This is the craziest roller coaster!!! Geez-Sunday Murphy was a busy bee, all 
happy and jabbering up a storm. He was finally feeling better with a week of 
Lysine under his belt and the sneezing and sniffles were subsiding. Yesterday 
he 
was fairly quiet but I thought he may have done too much the day before. Last 
night he did not eat, went into the spare room and laid on the floor in the 
dark. Not his style, normally he's nearby. This morning he laid in the kitchen 
until he got his meds, then didn't want to eat. I was able to call the vet from 
work and get him in this afternoon. We just got home. His PCV dropped 10 pts to 
28 and may be even lower because he's a bit dehydrated. We will bump the 
Procrit 
up to 2x a week and increase the iron caps to every night instead of every 
other 
night. Maybe we lowered the dose too quicklyhe began the end of July with 
his first crash at 3x a week with the Procrit, then we dropped it to 2x-he 
bounced back so well that we dropped him to once a week when his HCT got to 38 
two weeks ago. His lungs still sound good, but breathing is a little labored 
from being anemic. Ultrasound showed a little fluid around the heart, but 
nothing like the fluid in his chest in July and August, temp is normal, eyes 
clear. So please friends, more little purrayers for my bestest buddy!!  Alice 
and the kiddos!
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Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

2010-10-20 Thread Beth
I agree. 
My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for 
awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame 
outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he 
was eventually fine.

Beth
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--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM

I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for
cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
abandoned cats at one time.  And when I say feral, you couldn't even get
near them for a long time until they trusted us.  It's easy - you are the
one that controls the door.  Most decide that it's so great inside that they
don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of
experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our
rescue group.  Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't -
but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always
accepted our hospitality very gratefully!  Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV
'former feral' - to permenantly indoor.  I don't let out my kitties, but
Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status.  He has the
sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some
evenings.  When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has
started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the
street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were planning
on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time to
break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without your
mom and dad.
 
Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, we
have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap him,
couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called.   I want to make the
leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle him
(picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to stress
him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just
toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us?  
 
He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone too
long, and I don't want him to get depressed.  Adding another FeLV kitty
would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have with
various ailments.  I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse off,
if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV.  Whimsy for now has
been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old.  I hope he's one of the ones
that can sustain health for a long time.  I also don't know how he'd act
around another kitty.  
 
so, in summary - 
 
1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do?
2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him?
 
thank you,
Shannon and Whimsy
 
 


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

2010-10-20 Thread Bonnie Hogue

My experience:
Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally 
sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15 
min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.


Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's never 
offered to sneak out.


Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last 
one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came 
home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to 
rush the door.


Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is having 
some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very 
expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to 
the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not 
behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat 
ruin what furniture I do have.


I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and 
attention tame them.

~Bonnie
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?



I agree.
My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside 
for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one 
former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being 
inside, but he was eventually fine.


Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM

I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for
cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get
near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the
one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that 
they

don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of
experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our
rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't -
but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always
accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an 
FeLV

'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but
Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has 
the

sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some
evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has
started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the
street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were 
planning
on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time 
to
break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without 
your

mom and dad.

Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, 
we
have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap 
him,

couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called. I want to make the
leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle him
(picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to 
stress

him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just
toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us?

He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone too
long, and I don't want him to get depressed. Adding another FeLV kitty
would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have with
various ailments. I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse off,
if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV. Whimsy for now has
been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old. I hope he's one of the 
ones

that can sustain health for a long time. I also don't know how he'd act
around another kitty.

so, in summary -

1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do?
2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him?

thank you,
Shannon and Whimsy





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Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

2010-10-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
box or an aversion to the box or litter.
Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It
is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she
had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
cat and you will have your answer!
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

My experience:
Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally 
sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15 
min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.

Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's never 
offered to sneak out.

Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last

one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came 
home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to 
rush the door.

Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is having

some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very 
expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to 
the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not 
behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat 
ruin what furniture I do have.

I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and 
attention tame them.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I agree.
 My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside

 for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one 
 former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being

 inside, but he was eventually fine.

 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM

 I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for
 cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
 abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get
 near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the
 one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that 
 they
 don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of
 experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our
 rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't -
 but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always
 accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


 I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an 
 FeLV
 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but
 Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has 
 the
 sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some
 evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has
 started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the
 street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were 
 planning
 on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time 
 to
 break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without 
 your
 mom and dad.

 Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, 
 we
 have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap 
 him,
 couldn't handle him. Now 

Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

2010-10-20 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Think like the
cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!

This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink 
much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.  Lucky 
lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league 
drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I 
see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed 
just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most 
expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.  But 
I might need to change the litter more.
Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, 
wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.

Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

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From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE



Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
box or an aversion to the box or litter.
Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. 
It

is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she
had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
cat and you will have your answer!
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive 
them

of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with 
your

greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

My experience:
Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally
sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15
min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.

Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's never
offered to sneak out.

Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the 
last


one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came
home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to
rush the door.

Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is 
having


some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very
expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to
the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not
behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat
ruin what furniture I do have.

I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and
attention tame them.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?



I agree.
My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been 
inside



for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one
former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to 
being



inside, but he was eventually fine.

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM

I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now 
for

cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get
near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the
one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that
they
don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of
experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our
rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't -
but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always
accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, October 

Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

2010-10-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his
teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
drool.
The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. 
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

Think like the
cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!

This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink 
much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.  Lucky 
lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league 
drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I 
see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed 
just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most 
expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.  But 
I might need to change the litter more.
Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, 
wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


 Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
 box or an aversion to the box or litter.
 Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. 
 It
 is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
 I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she
 had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
 her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
 something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer!
 L

 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive 
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with 
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

 My experience:
 Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally
 sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15
 min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.

 Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's never
 offered to sneak out.

 Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the 
 last

 one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came
 home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to
 rush the door.

 Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is 
 having

 some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very
 expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to
 the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not
 behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat
 ruin what furniture I do have.

 I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and
 attention tame them.
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message - 
 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I agree.
 My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been 
 inside

 for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one
 former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to 
 being

 inside, but he was eventually fine.

 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

2010-10-20 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Laurie
Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many types 
and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're 
having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought, Wow, 
I bet I could brush this cat's teeth.  Something I would never get away 
with on my other cats.

Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
Thanks for your insights.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked 
his

teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
drool.
The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive 
them

of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with 
your

greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

Think like the
cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!

This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. 
Lucky

lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily. 
But

I might need to change the litter more.
Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress,
wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE



Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
box or an aversion to the box or litter.
Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical.
It
is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where 
she

had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
cat and you will have your answer!
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the 
traces

of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

My experience:
Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally
sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15
min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.

Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's 
never

offered to sneak out.

Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the
last

one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came
home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to
rush the door.

Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is
having

some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very
expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to
the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not
behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat
ruin what furniture I do have.

I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and

Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

2010-10-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Check out www.catinfo.org for her analysis.
It had too much dust for me (we have cats with asthma and allergies) and my
boys ate it!
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

Laurie
Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many types

and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're 
having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought, Wow, 
I bet I could brush this cat's teeth.  Something I would never get away 
with on my other cats.
Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
Thanks for your insights.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


 Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked 
 his
 teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
 drool.
 The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
 She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
 L

 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive 
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with 
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

 Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!

 This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
 much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. 
 Lucky
 lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
 drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
 see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
 just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
 expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily. 
 But
 I might need to change the litter more.
 Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress,
 wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
 Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

 - Original Message - 
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


 Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
 box or an aversion to the box or litter.
 Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical.
 It
 is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
 I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where 
 she
 had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
 her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
 something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer!
 L

 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the 
 traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

 My experience:
 Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally
 sneak out, only to go directly under 

[Felvtalk] Supplements for Felv+ Kitten

2010-10-20 Thread M C
Can anyone recommend good supplements for a felv+ kitten? Kitten is a stray, 3 
mos, and siblings tested negative all on the snap ELISA. So far, we're giving 
her Hi Vite Drops, Nutrical, Royal Canin Babycat, Innova wet to all 3. We will 
retest in 1 month, and if positive, then retest again on the IFA (we know the 
drill). Should we add Missing Link in addition to the above, or is that 
overkill/not going to help? Any other supplements to try? Someone recommended a 
product called EZ CLEAR but it seems to be used for cats with cancer, don't 
know 
how much help it would be for felv. I also wonder if anyone has tried 
Interferon, or is that after a felv+ diagnosis has been confirmed?

Thanks in advance,

C



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Indoor/outdoor cats

2010-10-20 Thread Lorrie
You are very fortunate.. All but two of our cats rush out the
door at every opportunity.  We have 14 cats and they were all rescued
outside cats, and love it out there.  Only two of them never try to
get out, but there is no way we can stop the others. We are too old 
at ages 77  88 and they are much faster than we are!  Fortunately 
we live on a dead end road in the woods with no traffic, so they are 
quite safe. They are unbelievably good about coming in before dark 
in case any predators are lurking. This compromise of indoor/outdoor
works for us, but I think it all depends on where you live as to 
whether your cats can go outside.

Lorrie

On 10-20, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
 My experience:
 Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally 
 sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15 
 min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.
 
 Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. 
 He's never offered to sneak out.
 
 Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the 
 last one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she 
 came home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers 
 to rush the door.
 
 Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He
 is having some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps,
 but is very expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed
 (yuk).  We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract
 infection.  I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. 
 Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have.
 
 I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and 
 attention tame them.
 Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today

2010-10-20 Thread Sally Davis
Murphy is in my prayers as well. I remember all to well the rollercoaster
ride.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

2010-10-20 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Excellent web site, Laurie -- thanks for sending it along.  I learned a lot!
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie



Check out www.catinfo.org for her analysis.
It had too much dust for me (we have cats with asthma and allergies) and 
my

boys ate it!
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive 
them

of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with 
your

greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

Laurie
Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many 
types


and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're
having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought, 
Wow,

I bet I could brush this cat's teeth.  Something I would never get away
with on my other cats.
Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
Thanks for your insights.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE



Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked
his
teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
drool.
The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the 
traces

of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

Think like the
cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!

This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.
Lucky
lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.
But
I might need to change the litter more.
Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the 
mattress,

wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the 
litter

box or an aversion to the box or litter.
Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical.
It
is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where
she
had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats 
stalks

her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like 
the

cat and you will have your answer!
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the
traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
To: 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

2010-10-20 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
 kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV. Whimsy for now
 has
 been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old. I hope he's one of the
 ones
 that can sustain health for a long time. I also don't know how he'd act
 around another kitty.

 so, in summary -

 1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do?
 2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him?

 thank you,
 Shannon and Whimsy





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Re: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today

2010-10-20 Thread nise...@yahoo.com
Get better soon Mr. Murphy! And say hi to Ms. Rosie also.

Thoughts  purrayers from Kris  Avis ( Max the Dog)





From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:13:19 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today

This is the craziest roller coaster!!! Geez-Sunday Murphy was a busy bee, all 
happy and jabbering up a storm. He was finally feeling better with a week of 
Lysine under his belt and the sneezing and sniffles were subsiding. Yesterday 
he 

was fairly quiet but I thought he may have done too much the day before. Last 
night he did not eat, went into the spare room and laid on the floor in the 
dark. Not his style, normally he's nearby. This morning he laid in the kitchen 
until he got his meds, then didn't want to eat. I was able to call the vet from 
work and get him in this afternoon. We just got home. His PCV dropped 10 pts to 
28 and may be even lower because he's a bit dehydrated. We will bump the 
Procrit 

up to 2x a week and increase the iron caps to every night instead of every 
other 

night. Maybe we lowered the dose too quicklyhe began the end of July with 
his first crash at 3x a week with the Procrit, then we dropped it to 2x-he 
bounced back so well that we dropped him to once a week when his HCT got to 38 
two weeks ago. His lungs still sound good, but breathing is a little labored 
from being anemic. Ultrasound showed a little fluid around the heart, but 
nothing like the fluid in his chest in July and August, temp is normal, eyes 
clear. So please friends, more little purrayers for my bestest buddy!!  Alice 
and the kiddos!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-10-20 Thread paola cresti
late reply but I hadn't been reading my emails for a while and am jsut catching 
up now.
thanks for this tip too, much appreciated.





From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:22:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

 hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50
 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with
 it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
 environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000
 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 
 Melinda,
 I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away
 
 from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street,
 small
 patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
 rather
 small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as
 they
 have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm
 outside
 and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out
 easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of
 them
 if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one
 
 meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is
 half
 feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's
 adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find
 her.
 
 When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close
 them
 in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...
 
 Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the
 garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him
 at
 intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I
 noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because
 he's
 so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door.
 Had
 to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed
 him
 out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to
 taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks
 like
 a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's
 going
 and if I call him back.
 
 There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel
 (who
 is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the
 outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once
 he
 took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then
 took
 him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got
 it
 and that was the last time he chased him.
 
 They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what
 you
 want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to
 please
 you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so
 sad
 that they would be made to feel that way.
 
 Paola
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most
 strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the
 
 likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with
 another
 cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states
 and
 have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.
 The
 speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about
 25
 mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes
 outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since
 she
 got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I
 won't
 worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of
 
 hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.
 
 
 Thanks again for your input and concern.
 
 Melinda and  Fuji
 On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-10-20 Thread paola cresti
hadn't heard of several of those, only been using nature's miracle nad it 
usually takes a lot of it (using it on clothes)

have used the baking soda for litter boxes, especially since I started using 
chicken feed, or also chicken/rabbit/small animal corn bedding, still waaay 
cheaper than any kitty litter, but I have a hard time with the corn smell



From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:56:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been
hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What
Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals.  I've tried
spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've
scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot
longer. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

 hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.





 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

 If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is  
 a 50/50
 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all  
 surfaces with
 it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
 environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a  
 1,000
 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



 Melinda,
 I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the  
 city away

 from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the  
 street,
 small
 patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
 rather
 small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the  
 patio) as
 they
 have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if  
 I'm
 outside
 and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can  
 get out
 easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  
 2 of
 them
 if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive...  
 well one

 meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and  
 one is
 half
 feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but  
 she's
 adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to  
 find
 her.

 When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I  
 close
 them
 in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

 Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room  
 is the
 garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him.  
 Call him
 at
 intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up  
 on and I
 noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly  
 because
 he's
 so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing  
 the door.
 Had
 to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I  
 followed
 him
 out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while  
 prior to
 taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual  
 walks
 like
 a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from  
 where he's
 going
 and if I call him back.

 There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+  
 Angel
 (who
 is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just  
 visit the
 outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before  
 so once
 he
 took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady  
 and then
 took
 him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow  
 he got
 it
 and that was the last time he chased him.

 They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure  
 out what
 you
 want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants  
 to
 please
 you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but  
 it's so
 sad
 that they would be made to feel that way.

 Paola




 
 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dostoyevsky

2010-10-20 Thread Laurieskatz
:)

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dostoyevsky

On 10-10, Laurieskatz wrote:
 
 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't
 deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent.
 Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are
 without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your
 appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you -
 alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 
TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN!   Thanks for these words of wisdom! 


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[Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking

2010-10-20 Thread Alice Flowers
He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to 
give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the 
vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box 
and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He 
spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually 
walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some 
food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I 
gave 
him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I 
don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this 
for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing 
and 
drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. 
 Alice
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking

2010-10-20 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Sending love and light to you and Murphy that this all resolves and he is 
feeling better soon.  Take care of yourselves, too folks.

Peace.
- Original Message - 
From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:44 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking


He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little 
syringe to
give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from 
the
vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter 
box
and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. 
He
spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he 
actually
walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and 
some
food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. 
I gave
him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but 
I
don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like 
this
for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the 
sneezing and
drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day 
long.

Alice
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