Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Maureen Olvey




 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:56:54 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 
 Yikes!  I don't like those statistics at all but I believe it.
 
 I've been feeding ferals at my office for the last 8 years.  Several months 
 back I found one dead and half eaten, then another one went missing not too 
 long after that.  A week or two later I saw a coyote in the parking lot of 
 the office building next to us.  I work at night a lot so I have more of an 
 opportunity to see them than some people.  I stopped leaving food out for my 
 cats at night.  After not seeing the coyote for a while I got back in the bad 
 habit of leaving cat food out at night.  Just last week I walked outside 
 about 10 PM and there was the coyote at the food dish, which isn't too far 
 away from my front door.  The coyote didn't scare me but then I saw my two 
 remaining semi-feral cats running towards me and realized they had been close 
 by while the coyote was eating.  I've stopped leaving food out and hopefully 
 he'll move on.  I'm so scared for my cats at the office.  I wish that if I 
 left a lot of food out for the coyote he'd stay full and leave the cats 
 alone.  I don't think it works that way though.  He'll still want to chase 
 and kill them because of his instinct.
 
 I really wish pet cats could roam outside and enjoy the extra freedom.  But 
 stuff like this has made me more of an advocate of keeping them indoors all 
 the time, unless you have a cat fence or something.  Loose dogs have always 
 been a problem killing cats but I don't remember having a coyote problem as a 
 kid.
 

 
  Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:24:10 -0700
  From: hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
  
  Maureen - I am in GA also, and analysis of coyote stomach contents showed 
  that something like 60% of them contained cat remains. I suspect that's why 
  we have such a coyote problem, even in the suburbs - they are supplied 
  with an endless number of cats as prey - somebody's cat goes missing and 
  they just replace it with another one.
  


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Maureen Olvey

Regarding Amber -

Been doing more reading.  By keeping Amber in the basement you're not putting 
your cats at risk at all so don't feel guilty about that.  One thing said 60% 
of cats exposed to FeLV don't get it.  5-10% put it into a latent stage.  Only 
about 30% get it and die (still too many though).  Sometimes it can take up to 
a year of prolonged exposure for a healthy adult cat to get the virus in it's 
system.  I honestly think with Amber in the basement your cats have no chance 
of getting it.  You have done a wonderful thing by taking her in.

Also - do the IFA test too.  Or do it in a couple months when you re-test if 
the ELISA comes out positive again.  Another website I read said the in office 
ELISA combo test are wrong about 50% of the time.  Wonder how many cats have 
been put down because of that.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:04:47 -0700
 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 I use to have indoor/outdoor cats, but now they are strickly indoor. There 
 are 
 so many dangers outside such as cars, dogs, and the chance of encountering a 
 another cat with felv, for example. I do feel sorry for them sometimes, but I 
 have to say I would trade places with any one of them to live the life of 
 luxury 
 they experinece indoors. They do long to go outside sometimes, but I open 
 up 
 the windows and let them smell the fresh air. I don't feel too guilty about 
 it. 
 LOL
 
 Update on Amber, my felv kitty. I've had her three and a half weeks now and 
 she 
 is looking and feeling so much better! She has gained weight and still has a 
 good appetite. She is so sweet. My husband is building her a kitty palace, 
 which is eight feet long, four feet wide, and six feet tall. We bought a cat 
 tree to put in it so she can climb and get her exercise. I have been keeping 
 her 
 in a much smaller cage (the only on I have) and letting her roam in the 
 basement a few hours a day when I can. I so wish I could bring her upstairs 
 with 
 the other cats, but just don't feel I should take the risk. I am still 
 struggling a little bit with putting them at risk at all, but it is what it 
 is! 
  I still plan to have Amber retested in a couple of months. Whatever happens, 
 I 
 am still glad I have been given the opportunity to make a difference in her 
 life. Jannes 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 8:13:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I am
 responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I would do no
 less.  I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats that I
 rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion will be safe and
 happy for a long time.
 Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many and none
 are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for cats to be
 outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was growing up, until one
 of our kittens was killed by a carUnfortunately, it takes many people to
 understand this only after a tragedy occurs.  When an adopter tells me that
 their cat ALWAYS sat on the front porch, and never leftand they intend
 to do the same with a new adopted cat, I say NO!  Their old cat may have
 indeed done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It takes
 ONLY ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and WHAM!
 Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a window, a
 window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and active.
 More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple ones to really
 elaborate ones, even just a little window screened porch. I don't believe
 that cats need to hunt; if they are homeless and hungry, yes, but there's no
 need for a well-fed cat to kill small wildlife, not for food, but for fun
 and the reflex of chasing something (could be a toy).  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:56 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat
 are the main threat to birds. 
 
 As for keeping cats inside.  I've had cats all my life and they
 have always been indoor/outdoor cats.  All of them have lived to
 16 to 17 years of age unless they've had some genetic problem like
 heart disease.  My cats were all rescues and they lived 

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
Is there any way you could use a full-spectrum light in the basement for
Amber?  I have installed fluorescent  full-spectrum light for the cats in
our garage cat condos; none have been sick for years!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors


Regarding Amber -

Been doing more reading.  By keeping Amber in the basement you're not
putting your cats at risk at all so don't feel guilty about that.  One thing
said 60% of cats exposed to FeLV don't get it.  5-10% put it into a latent
stage.  Only about 30% get it and die (still too many though).  Sometimes it
can take up to a year of prolonged exposure for a healthy adult cat to get
the virus in it's system.  I honestly think with Amber in the basement your
cats have no chance of getting it.  You have done a wonderful thing by
taking her in.

Also - do the IFA test too.  Or do it in a couple months when you re-test if
the ELISA comes out positive again.  Another website I read said the in
office ELISA combo test are wrong about 50% of the time.  Wonder how many
cats have been put down because of that.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain



 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:04:47 -0700
 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 I use to have indoor/outdoor cats, but now they are strickly indoor. There
are 
 so many dangers outside such as cars, dogs, and the chance of encountering
a 
 another cat with felv, for example. I do feel sorry for them sometimes,
but I 
 have to say I would trade places with any one of them to live the life of
luxury 
 they experinece indoors. They do long to go outside sometimes, but I
open up 
 the windows and let them smell the fresh air. I don't feel too guilty
about it. 
 LOL
 
 Update on Amber, my felv kitty. I've had her three and a half weeks now
and she 
 is looking and feeling so much better! She has gained weight and still has
a 
 good appetite. She is so sweet. My husband is building her a kitty
palace, 
 which is eight feet long, four feet wide, and six feet tall. We bought a
cat 
 tree to put in it so she can climb and get her exercise. I have been
keeping her 
 in a much smaller cage (the only on I have) and letting her roam in the 
 basement a few hours a day when I can. I so wish I could bring her
upstairs with 
 the other cats, but just don't feel I should take the risk. I am still 
 struggling a little bit with putting them at risk at all, but it is what
it is! 
  I still plan to have Amber retested in a couple of months. Whatever
happens, I 
 am still glad I have been given the opportunity to make a difference in
her 
 life. Jannes 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 8:13:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I am
 responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I would do
no
 less.  I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats that I
 rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion will be safe and
 happy for a long time.
 Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many and none
 are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for cats to be
 outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was growing up, until
one
 of our kittens was killed by a carUnfortunately, it takes many people
to
 understand this only after a tragedy occurs.  When an adopter tells me
that
 their cat ALWAYS sat on the front porch, and never leftand they intend
 to do the same with a new adopted cat, I say NO!  Their old cat may have
 indeed done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It takes
 ONLY ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and WHAM!
 Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a window, a
 window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and active.
 More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple ones to really
 elaborate ones, even just a little window screened porch. I don't believe
 that cats need to hunt; if they are homeless and hungry, yes, but there's
no
 need for a well-fed cat to kill small wildlife, not for food, but for fun
 and the reflex of chasing something (could be a toy).  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:56 AM
 To: 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread MaiMaiPG
I deal with ferals too and all of my house cats have been ferals. One  
cost me two surgeries thanks to biting through a finger...my fault not  
hers.  A lot of older people are on blood thinners, have extremely  
thin skin etc.  I've been scratched more times than I can count.  
Obviously, you have been blessed.  I'm in my 50's and recover fairly  
easily.  I know of too many older people without sufficient support  
who can't recover quickly.  I suspect it has to do with the overall  
health of the individual and the personality of the cat.  Personally,  
I have seen my mother bleed for hours from various (for me)  
insignificant cuts.  As I said, declawing should be the last resort  
but there are times I feel it is justified.



On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Natalie wrote:

That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a  
cat with

claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said,  
bites are a

natural defense for declawed cats!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

Those may be very reasonable options for a lot of people.  However, I
suspect you overestimate the resources available to everyone.  Not
everyone can drive; not everyone has someone who can/will attempt to
trim a cat's nails; not everyone can afford a trip to the vet's every
2-4 weeks; and not every cat can be rehomed.  Mass transit is not
available everywhere.

I agree that it should be a last resort.  However, I am not willing to
condemn everyone who declaws.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Natalie wrote:


A vet, a vet tech, or a friend could do it - surely a better option
than
putting a cat through such torture, not to mention complete
personality
change to being withdrawn, morose, or an unpredictable biter!  Cat
bites are
more dangerous than scratches any time!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

That is a good optionif the owner is able to trim nails and put
SoftPaws on.  A lot of elderly people don't have the physical
dexterity or skills to trim nails.  In fact, I have watched young
people who could not master the task.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Natalie wrote:


A good solution for a problem as you mentioned, is trimming claws
and using
SoftPaws - declawing an older cat can be even worse than for a
kitten at
times...the pain after surgery is supposed to be absolutely
excruciating -
cats either climb the walls in the recover cage or sit in the  
corner,

completely catatonic (according to Dr.Nicholas Dodman).

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

I can see some times where it is either declaw the cat or end its
life.for the safety of an elderly owner for example.  That being
said, Copper and Thomas have their claws and, with a little planning
re furniture, there has been no problem.  Dixie and Ebony kept  
theirs

too.  Ebony caused some problems but, if I had known then  what I
know
now, I could have limited them.  It takes a little work and  
patience,

planning and thinking.  I would encourage anyone who wanted a
declawed
cat to try and get one that has already been declawed.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote:


That's horrible, and many people do not realize what it entails and
how many
cats lose their lives - they think it's a manicure...but many vets
are to
blame.  Several people told me that after adopting from us, they
went to
their own vet, and after telling them that the cats will be kept
indoors
only, the vets said Oh, you have an option to declaw!  Banfield
Health.
The group at Petsmart, offers a big special for kitten health -
all the
vaccines, exams, and declawing for a very good price!  I wrote to
them about
declawing; they wrote back with the most ridiculous comments.  If
anyone
would like to see their reply, I'll send it privately.  Last  
year, I

was
informed that they will no longer cut ears and tails on dogs,
because it's
purely cosmetic...I wrote to them, asking their policy on declawing
since
they have made that big leap on no longer mutilating dogs, they
might have
reconsidered doing it to cats...no reply from them.
O always ask people what they would prefer, a few things scratched
up or
urine-soaked carpets and furniture.Besides, not all cats grow  
up

to be
scratchers...and providing good posts and trimming their nails  
works

well.


Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
Personally, if I had to make such a choice - having my cat that I have loved
for years go though such pain and torture, I would rather get a home for the
cat and adopt one that is already declawed - there are quite a few that are
in desperate need for homes because they've been abandoned for so many
reasons! But that's me; I hate to say it, but sometimes I wonder whether I
might almost rather see them dead than declawedbut I'd beg someone to
take the cat first.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

I deal with ferals too and all of my house cats have been ferals. One  
cost me two surgeries thanks to biting through a finger...my fault not  
hers.  A lot of older people are on blood thinners, have extremely  
thin skin etc.  I've been scratched more times than I can count.  
Obviously, you have been blessed.  I'm in my 50's and recover fairly  
easily.  I know of too many older people without sufficient support  
who can't recover quickly.  I suspect it has to do with the overall  
health of the individual and the personality of the cat.  Personally,  
I have seen my mother bleed for hours from various (for me)  
insignificant cuts.  As I said, declawing should be the last resort  
but there are times I feel it is justified.


On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Natalie wrote:

 That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a  
 cat with
 claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
 scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said,  
 bites are a
 natural defense for declawed cats!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:40 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 Those may be very reasonable options for a lot of people.  However, I
 suspect you overestimate the resources available to everyone.  Not
 everyone can drive; not everyone has someone who can/will attempt to
 trim a cat's nails; not everyone can afford a trip to the vet's every
 2-4 weeks; and not every cat can be rehomed.  Mass transit is not
 available everywhere.

 I agree that it should be a last resort.  However, I am not willing to
 condemn everyone who declaws.
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Natalie wrote:

 A vet, a vet tech, or a friend could do it - surely a better option
 than
 putting a cat through such torture, not to mention complete
 personality
 change to being withdrawn, morose, or an unpredictable biter!  Cat
 bites are
 more dangerous than scratches any time!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:14 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 That is a good optionif the owner is able to trim nails and put
 SoftPaws on.  A lot of elderly people don't have the physical
 dexterity or skills to trim nails.  In fact, I have watched young
 people who could not master the task.
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Natalie wrote:

 A good solution for a problem as you mentioned, is trimming claws
 and using
 SoftPaws - declawing an older cat can be even worse than for a
 kitten at
 times...the pain after surgery is supposed to be absolutely
 excruciating -
 cats either climb the walls in the recover cage or sit in the  
 corner,
 completely catatonic (according to Dr.Nicholas Dodman).

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:49 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 I can see some times where it is either declaw the cat or end its
 life.for the safety of an elderly owner for example.  That being
 said, Copper and Thomas have their claws and, with a little planning
 re furniture, there has been no problem.  Dixie and Ebony kept  
 theirs
 too.  Ebony caused some problems but, if I had known then  what I
 know
 now, I could have limited them.  It takes a little work and  
 patience,
 planning and thinking.  I would encourage anyone who wanted a
 declawed
 cat to try and get one that has already been declawed.
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote:

 That's horrible, and many people do not realize what it entails and
 how many
 cats lose their lives - they think it's a manicure...but many vets
 are to
 blame.  Several people told me that after adopting from us, they
 went to
 their own vet, and after telling them that the cats will be kept
 indoors
 only, the vets said Oh, you have an option to declaw!  Banfield
 Health.
 The group at 

Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Edna, I agree. Four of our five cats were outside at some time in their
lives, 3 of those were feral, and 2 of *those* were kittens I trapped
myself, and they have not been outside since the day we met. Just because
they stare out the window sometimes doesn't mean they're longing for the
feel of grass beneath their toes -- though of course if there was a safe way
to give them that, I would. What PETA and the rest don't seem to get is that
Felis Domesticus is NOT a wild animal and is no match for the modern
predators of cars, trains, coyotes, and feral humans like the one you
describe below. People don't willingly let their parakeets out or let their
Betas swim in mud puddles, why do they think house cats are anything but
house cats. And, in my experience, even cats born outside get very used to
the comforts of indoors.

Years ago a couple who were online friends of mine whose two cats were their
babies, came home to find that a neighbor in their very tranquil suburban
neighborhood had accidentally backed over one of their cats. They were, of
course, devastated, and it changed their opinion of where cats are best off.
That's a horrible way to learn but it's a fact that outside cats, even ones
with owners, face many more dangers than they are equipped to handle.

Another 2 cents. I don't mean to offend those of you who don't agree, but
seeing roadkill that's supposed to be curled up in a pouffy chair somewhere
instead offends me.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors


Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge drink or do
drugs because it makes them happy is NOT a reason to allow it.  The same
reasoning goes for cats, just because they LIKE it doesn't mean it's good
for them.  My cats may be prisoners in my house but I sleep well at night
knowing they are loved and safe and from what I can tell, they are pretty
freakin happy.  I have picked up enough broken and battered bodies off the
roadways to know that NONE of my cats or fosters will EVER be allowed
outside unless it is in a safe enclosure or on a leash.  

There was a young individual (can't call him a man because real men do not
torture animals) in Dallas that took his neighbor's inside/outside cat and
over a course of several hours beat and tortured the cat and video taped the
entire thing.  THAT is what happens to outdoor cats.  While some may be
lucky enough to escape being tortured, hit by cars, eaten by coyotes or
hawks or owls, most do not escape this fate.
 
Sorry but I 100% DISAGREE with cats are wild animals and need to live
outside point of view.
 
Just my 2 cents.
 
Edna
 
 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:13:09 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I 
 am responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I 
 would do no less. I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that 
 the cats that I rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion 
 will be safe and happy for a long time.
 Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many and 
 none are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for 
 cats to be outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was 
 growing up, until one of our kittens was killed by a 
 carUnfortunately, it takes many people to understand this only 
 after a tragedy occurs. When an adopter tells me that their cat ALWAYS 
 sat on the front porch, and never leftand they intend to do the 
 same with a new adopted cat, I say NO! Their old cat may have indeed 
 done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It takes ONLY
ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and WHAM!
 Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a window, a 
 window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and active.
 More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple ones to 
 really elaborate ones, even just a little window screened porch. I 
 don't believe that cats need to hunt; if they are homeless and hungry, 
 yes, but there's no need for a well-fed cat to kill small wildlife, 
 not for food, but for fun and the reflex of chasing something (could be a
toy).
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:56 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat are the 
 main threat to birds.
 
 As for keeping cats inside. I've had cats all my life and they have 
 always been indoor/outdoor cats. All of them have lived to
 16 to 17 years 

[Felvtalk] Fw: Re: FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread TANYA NOE


--- On Thu, 3/24/11, TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Keep Cats Indoors
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 9:09 AM
 Personally I would never rather see a
 cat dead than see it declawed. People lose limbs all the
 time and go on living, most people would choose to live
 missing a limb or limbs rather than die. Animals are no
 different, they will chew off a limb to live. 
 There are people who love their pets and their immune
 systems can not handle the scratches or the children in the
 home are not safe because of it's scratching. There are also
 a lot of cats that are nasty scratchers for no apparent
 reason and no matter what you do you can't break them of it.
 
 Declawing is amputation but most cats recover from it and
 live out their lives just fine without lingering pain or
 litterbox issues. With good pain meds, a competent Vet, and
 love and compassion most cats do well. I am not a declaw
 advocate but understand that sometimes it may be the price
 one pays for a good home. Many cats get dumped at kill
 shelters because they wont quit scratching and being
 destructive. It is far better to be declawed than to be
 killed and never have had the experience of a home and of
 being loved. 
 T
 --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net
 wrote:
 
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Keep Cats Indoors
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 8:07 AM
  Personally, if I had to make such a
  choice - having my cat that I have loved
  for years go though such pain and torture, I would
 rather
  get a home for the
  cat and adopt one that is already declawed - there
 are
  quite a few that are
  in desperate need for homes because they've been
 abandoned
  for so many
  reasons! But that's me; I hate to say it, but
 sometimes I
  wonder whether I
  might almost rather see them dead than declawedbut
 I'd
  beg someone to
  take the cat first.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:25 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
  
  I deal with ferals too and all of my house cats have
 been
  ferals. One  
  cost me two surgeries thanks to biting through a
  finger...my fault not  
  hers.  A lot of older people are on blood thinners,
  have extremely  
  thin skin etc.  I've been scratched more times
 than
  I can count.  
  Obviously, you have been blessed.  I'm in my 50's
 and
  recover fairly  
  easily.  I know of too many older people without
  sufficient support  
  who can't recover quickly.  I suspect it has to do
  with the overall  
  health of the individual and the personality of the
  cat.  Personally,  
  I have seen my mother bleed for hours from various
 (for
  me)  
  insignificant cuts.  As I said, declawing should be
  the last resort  
  but there are times I feel it is justified.
  
  
  On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Natalie wrote:
  
   That is true, but I don't understand why an old
 person
  can't have a  
   cat with
   claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have
  never been bitten or
   scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs
 old. 
  And as I said,  
   bites are a
   natural defense for declawed cats!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
   Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:40 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
  
   Those may be very reasonable options for a lot
 of
  people.  However, I
   suspect you overestimate the resources available
 to
  everyone.  Not
   everyone can drive; not everyone has someone who
  can/will attempt to
   trim a cat's nails; not everyone can afford a
 trip to
  the vet's every
   2-4 weeks; and not every cat can be rehomed. 
  Mass transit is not
   available everywhere.
  
   I agree that it should be a last resort. 
  However, I am not willing to
   condemn everyone who declaws.
   On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Natalie wrote:
  
   A vet, a vet tech, or a friend could do it -
  surely a better option
   than
   putting a cat through such torture, not to
 mention
  complete
   personality
   change to being withdrawn, morose, or an
  unpredictable biter!  Cat
   bites are
   more dangerous than scratches any time!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
   Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:14 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats
 Indoors
  
   That is a good optionif the owner is able
 to
  trim nails and put
   SoftPaws on.  A lot of elderly people don't
  have the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
I didn't say that I would, I wrote: ... but sometimes I wonder whether I
might almost rather see them dead than declawedbut I'd beg someone to
take the cat first.
This is obviously a very touchy subject with strong opinions, which will not
be changed.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of TANYA NOE
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; me
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: FW: Keep Cats Indoors



--- On Thu, 3/24/11, TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Keep Cats Indoors
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 9:09 AM
 Personally I would never rather see a
 cat dead than see it declawed. People lose limbs all the
 time and go on living, most people would choose to live
 missing a limb or limbs rather than die. Animals are no
 different, they will chew off a limb to live. 
 There are people who love their pets and their immune
 systems can not handle the scratches or the children in the
 home are not safe because of it's scratching. There are also
 a lot of cats that are nasty scratchers for no apparent
 reason and no matter what you do you can't break them of it.
 
 Declawing is amputation but most cats recover from it and
 live out their lives just fine without lingering pain or
 litterbox issues. With good pain meds, a competent Vet, and
 love and compassion most cats do well. I am not a declaw
 advocate but understand that sometimes it may be the price
 one pays for a good home. Many cats get dumped at kill
 shelters because they wont quit scratching and being
 destructive. It is far better to be declawed than to be
 killed and never have had the experience of a home and of
 being loved. 
 T
 --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net
 wrote:
 
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Keep Cats Indoors
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 8:07 AM
  Personally, if I had to make such a
  choice - having my cat that I have loved
  for years go though such pain and torture, I would
 rather
  get a home for the
  cat and adopt one that is already declawed - there
 are
  quite a few that are
  in desperate need for homes because they've been
 abandoned
  for so many
  reasons! But that's me; I hate to say it, but
 sometimes I
  wonder whether I
  might almost rather see them dead than declawedbut
 I'd
  beg someone to
  take the cat first.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:25 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
  
  I deal with ferals too and all of my house cats have
 been
  ferals. One  
  cost me two surgeries thanks to biting through a
  finger...my fault not  
  hers.  A lot of older people are on blood thinners,
  have extremely  
  thin skin etc.  I've been scratched more times
 than
  I can count.  
  Obviously, you have been blessed.  I'm in my 50's
 and
  recover fairly  
  easily.  I know of too many older people without
  sufficient support  
  who can't recover quickly.  I suspect it has to do
  with the overall  
  health of the individual and the personality of the
  cat.  Personally,  
  I have seen my mother bleed for hours from various
 (for
  me)  
  insignificant cuts.  As I said, declawing should be
  the last resort  
  but there are times I feel it is justified.
  
  
  On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Natalie wrote:
  
   That is true, but I don't understand why an old
 person
  can't have a  
   cat with
   claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have
  never been bitten or
   scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs
 old. 
  And as I said,  
   bites are a
   natural defense for declawed cats!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
   Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:40 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
  
   Those may be very reasonable options for a lot
 of
  people.  However, I
   suspect you overestimate the resources available
 to
  everyone.  Not
   everyone can drive; not everyone has someone who
  can/will attempt to
   trim a cat's nails; not everyone can afford a
 trip to
  the vet's every
   2-4 weeks; and not every cat can be rehomed. 
  Mass transit is not
   available everywhere.
  
   I agree that it should be a last resort. 
  However, I am not willing to
   condemn everyone who declaws.
   On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Natalie wrote:
  
   A vet, a vet tech, or a friend could do it -
  surely a better option
   than
   putting a cat through such torture, not to
 mention
  complete
   personality
   change to being 

[Felvtalk] Who would like to get the Declawing info?

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
I cannot send it to the group because it's larger than 20 KB, sorry!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Who would like to get the Declawing info?

2011-03-24 Thread Debbie Bates

I would please..

Debbie 
~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ 


 
 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:29:30 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Who would like to get the Declawing info?
 
 I cannot send it to the group because it's larger than 20 KB, sorry!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Who would like to get the Declawing info?

2011-03-24 Thread Katy Doyle
I would.

Thanks,
Katy

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I cannot send it to the group because it's larger than 20 KB, sorry!

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[Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read

2011-03-24 Thread Jacquelyn Gonzales
Please click on the link below to read more about declawing, see an actual 
video of what declawing did to a lion and print materials out for potential 
adopters. 
 
http://www.pawproject.org/
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Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Jannes Taylor
Thank you so much Maureen. I really appreciate you taking the time to reassure 
me. I really do love little Amber and will do the best I can for her. I can't 
help hoping and praying that the test was wrong and I can eventually let her 
join the other kids.
 Jannes 





From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 1:49:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors


Regarding Amber -

Been doing more reading.  By keeping Amber in the basement you're not putting 
your cats at risk at all so don't feel guilty about that.  One thing said 60% 
of 
cats exposed to FeLV don't get it.  5-10% put it into a latent stage.  Only 
about 30% get it and die (still too many though).  Sometimes it can take up to 
a 
year of prolonged exposure for a healthy adult cat to get the virus in it's 
system.  I honestly think with Amber in the basement your cats have no chance 
of 
getting it.  You have done a wonderful thing by taking her in.

Also - do the IFA test too.  Or do it in a couple months when you re-test if 
the 
ELISA comes out positive again.  Another website I read said the in office 
ELISA 
combo test are wrong about 50% of the time.  Wonder how many cats have been put 
down because of that.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:04:47 -0700
 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 I use to have indoor/outdoor cats, but now they are strickly indoor. There 
 are 

 so many dangers outside such as cars, dogs, and the chance of encountering a 
 another cat with felv, for example. I do feel sorry for them sometimes, but I 
 have to say I would trade places with any one of them to live the life of 
luxury 

 they experinece indoors. They do long to go outside sometimes, but I open 
 up 

 the windows and let them smell the fresh air. I don't feel too guilty about 
 it. 

 LOL
 
 Update on Amber, my felv kitty. I've had her three and a half weeks now and 
 she 

 is looking and feeling so much better! She has gained weight and still has a 
 good appetite. She is so sweet. My husband is building her a kitty palace, 
 which is eight feet long, four feet wide, and six feet tall. We bought a cat 
 tree to put in it so she can climb and get her exercise. I have been keeping 
her 

 in a much smaller cage (the only on I have) and letting her roam in the 
 basement a few hours a day when I can. I so wish I could bring her upstairs 
with 

 the other cats, but just don't feel I should take the risk. I am still 
 struggling a little bit with putting them at risk at all, but it is what it 
 is! 

  I still plan to have Amber retested in a couple of months. Whatever happens, 
I 

 am still glad I have been given the opportunity to make a difference in her 
 life. Jannes 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 8:13:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
 
 As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I am
 responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I would do no
 less.  I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats that I
 rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion will be safe and
 happy for a long time.
 Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many and none
 are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for cats to be
 outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was growing up, until one
 of our kittens was killed by a carUnfortunately, it takes many people to
 understand this only after a tragedy occurs.  When an adopter tells me that
 their cat ALWAYS sat on the front porch, and never leftand they intend
 to do the same with a new adopted cat, I say NO!  Their old cat may have
 indeed done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It takes
 ONLY ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and WHAM!
 Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a window, a
 window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and active.
 More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple ones to really
 elaborate ones, even just a little window screened porch. I don't believe
 that cats need to hunt; if they are homeless and hungry, yes, but there's no
 need for a well-fed cat to kill small wildlife, not for food, but for fun
 and the reflex of chasing something (could be a toy).  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: 

[Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Jannes Taylor
This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has 
ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she 
is not pregnant. 

If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to 
see. 

As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
 Jannes 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've
had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable
that they were in heat.
Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin
supplements before she is spayed.  BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also
see if there's a scar!  I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know
whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger
of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise,
we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check
for nipple size

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she
has 
ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray
she 
is not pregnant. 

If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to
see. 

As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
 Jannes 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
It is true about the change in the way they walk - one can tell when a cat
is declawed.
My sister-in-law declawed her first cat (actually inherited her from her
son) - they are obsessed with their homesWhen my mother-in-law was
visiting here, she told me that the second cat she got was in a cage at the
vet for so long, the poor thing forgot how to walk, hunched over, etc.  That
poor kitten was declawed - cages aren't so low that a cat can't stand up!
He had to learn how to walk again!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Gonzales
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read

Please click on the link below to read more about declawing, see an actual
video of what declawing did to a lion and print materials out for potential
adopters. 
 
http://www.pawproject.org/
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread MaiMaiPG
There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though.  I took  
Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed.  She had no scar.  Apparently  
scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc.  I  
was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel  
sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear.  My wonderful vets ran the  
blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money.  A  
couple of weeks later, one called with the results.  Either Dixie had  
been spayed or she was a male.  My little darling was all girl.  Dixie  
was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same  
pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life.  She was FeLV+  
which led me to this wonderful group.


All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats  
before you have her spayed.  FYI:  I like colostrum (health food  
stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to  
have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before.  Most of  
the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about  
what they will and will not consume.  Arnica helps healing...I use  
it frequently myself and swear by it.



On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:

A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her  
stomach...I've
had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was  
noticeable

that they were in heat.
Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good  
vitamin
supplements before she is spayed.  BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can  
also
see if there's a scar!  I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we  
don't know
whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's  
no danger
of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat,  
otherwise,
we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much -  
also check

for nipple size

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  
Taylor

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea  
if she

has
ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope  
and pray

she
is not pregnant.

If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just  
waiting to

see.

As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
 Jannes



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Re: [Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read

2011-03-24 Thread Peggy Verdonck
Where I come from (the Netherlands) declawing is illegal, and that's what it
should be here...illegal!!

Peggy

2011/3/24 Natalie at...@optonline.net

 It is true about the change in the way they walk - one can tell when a cat
 is declawed.
 My sister-in-law declawed her first cat (actually inherited her from her
 son) - they are obsessed with their homesWhen my mother-in-law was
 visiting here, she told me that the second cat she got was in a cage at the
 vet for so long, the poor thing forgot how to walk, hunched over, etc.
  That
 poor kitten was declawed - cages aren't so low that a cat can't stand up!
 He had to learn how to walk again!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn
 Gonzales
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Information - Declawing - Please read

 Please click on the link below to read more about declawing, see an actual
 video of what declawing did to a lion and print materials out for potential
 adopters.

 http://www.pawproject.org/
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please help: Having trouble ordering LTCI

2011-03-24 Thread Beth
Can anyone help Sean? I didn't see any responses for him, but I may have missed 
it.
Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Wed, 3/23/11, Sean T. Collins nonservia...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Sean T. Collins nonservia...@gmail.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please help: Having trouble ordering LTCI
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 8:43 PM

Hello all—My name is Sean, and our wonderful 10-year-old cat Felix was
diagnosed FeLV+ in the summer of 2009 after he came down with a horrendous
case of stomatitis. Desperate for help, we did some googling and discovered
LTCI. He has been on it ever since, and we couldn't be more pleased with the
results: He's had no further symptoms, and his bloodwork and overall health
are better now than they were two years ago! He's a remarkable guy. :)

But we've run into a problem. We administered our last remaining dose today
(we have a few more but they're set to expire in a week or so) and realized
we hadn't heard from our vet about a new supply. (We recently had a baby two
months earlier than expected, so in the chaos we didn't notice until now!) I
called our vet and she said she hasn't had any luck getting ahold of the
company that supplied it to her in the past, and none of her contacts could
reach them either.

Does anyone on this list know of current, working contact information for
the manufacturers or distributors of LTCI, or even of any vets that our vet
could purchase it from as a middleman? I know the company changed hands
sometime last year, but I could swear she's ordered it since that time with
no problems. I need to provide our vet with a working phone number she can
call to order our next supply of doses.

We are obviously just as desperate to get this medicine now as we were two
years ago. Any assistance would be so greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Sean

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Jannes Taylor
What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend?
 Jannes 





From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though.  I took Dixie 
Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed.  She had no scar.  Apparently scars are 
becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc.  I was convinced that 
she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled 
in my ear.  My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very 
sure 
I was wasting my money.  A couple of weeks later, one called with the results.  
Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male.  My little darling was all 
girl.  Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the 
same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life.  She was FeLV+ 
which 
led me to this wonderful group.

All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you 
have her spayed.  FYI:  I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm 
store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give 
it for a good while before.  Most of the cats in my life are feral and they 
have 
their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume.  Arnica helps 
healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:

 A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've
 had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable
 that they were in heat.
 Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin
 supplements before she is spayed.  BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also
 see if there's a scar!  I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know
 whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger
 of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise,
 we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check
 for nipple size
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
 
 This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she
 has
 ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
 If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray
 she
 is not pregnant.
 
 If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to
 see.
 
 As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
  Jannes
 
 
 
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[Felvtalk] Urgent !! Please help: Having trouble ordering LTCI

2011-03-24 Thread Sharyl
I've not used LTCI.  I know some here do use it.  Please folks lets get off 
indoor cats and declawing and help Sean.
Sharyl

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--- On Wed, 3/23/11, Sean T. Collins nonservia...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Sean T. Collins nonservia...@gmail.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please help: Having trouble ordering LTCI
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 8:43 PM

Hello all—My name is Sean, and our wonderful 10-year-old cat Felix was
diagnosed FeLV+ in the summer of 2009 after he came down with a horrendous
case of stomatitis. Desperate for help, we did some googling and discovered
LTCI. He has been on it ever since, and we couldn't be more pleased with the
results: He's had no further symptoms, and his bloodwork and overall health
are better now than they were two years ago! He's a remarkable guy. :)

But we've run into a problem. We administered our last remaining dose today
(we have a few more but they're set to expire in a week or so) and realized
we hadn't heard from our vet about a new supply. (We recently had a baby two
months earlier than expected, so in the chaos we didn't notice until now!) I
called our vet and she said she hasn't had any luck getting ahold of the
company that supplied it to her in the past, and none of her contacts could
reach them either.

Does anyone on this list know of current, working contact information for
the manufacturers or distributors of LTCI, or even of any vets that our vet
could purchase it from as a middleman? I know the company changed hands
sometime last year, but I could swear she's ordered it since that time with
no problems. I need to provide our vet with a working phone number she can
call to order our next supply of doses.

We are obviously just as desperate to get this medicine now as we were two
years ago. Any assistance would be so greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Sean

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[Felvtalk] LTCI answer

2011-03-24 Thread Andy Domek

Hi Sean,

Our vet just ordered LTCI directly from the company, and it was about $100 
cheaper for the ten pack then the previous outside distributor.  

 So glad it is working for you!  We've used it with our  almost 7 year old 
Aggie (FELV+ since birth) since June of last year, and had some good results in 
terms of bloodwork improvements.  She's gone downhill in the last month or so, 
as we've struggled to get her seizures under control when I stupidly, dumbly, 
like an idiot (you get the idea) reduced her anti-seizure medicine more than 
she could take, and didn't increase it up fast enough so as to create even more 
problems.  But, I'm hopeful because she's still here 7 full months after her 
first seizure, and whatever is causing them hasn't killed her yet.  I will have 
hope as long as she's still her spunky little self.  But I do believe the LTCI 
helped her a great deal when her WBCs, Neutrophils and Platelets started to 
decline.

 Anyhoo, the website for the company is:

 http://tcyte.com/ 


The contact info is there, and your vet shouldn't have too much trouble 
ordering from there.

Good luck.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the
cocktailworks wonders!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend?
 Jannes 





From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though.  I took Dixie

Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed.  She had no scar.  Apparently scars are 
becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc.  I was convinced
that 
she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and
yelled 
in my ear.  My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very
sure 
I was wasting my money.  A couple of weeks later, one called with the
results.  
Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male.  My little darling was all 
girl.  Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the

same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life.  She was FeLV+
which 
led me to this wonderful group.

All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before
you 
have her spayed.  FYI:  I like colostrum (health food stores or the local
farm 
store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to
give 
it for a good while before.  Most of the cats in my life are feral and they
have 
their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume.  Arnica helps 
healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:

 A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her
stomach...I've
 had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable
 that they were in heat.
 Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin
 supplements before she is spayed.  BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also
 see if there's a scar!  I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't
know
 whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no
danger
 of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise,
 we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also
check
 for nipple size
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
 
 This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she
 has
 ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
 If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray
 she
 is not pregnant.
 
 If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting
to
 see.
 
 As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
  Jannes
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Jannes Taylor
 I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are 
there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks!
 Jannes 





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the
cocktailworks wonders!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend?
 Jannes 





From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though.  I took Dixie

Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed.  She had no scar.  Apparently scars are 
becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc.  I was convinced
that 
she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and
yelled 
in my ear.  My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very
sure 
I was wasting my money.  A couple of weeks later, one called with the
results.  
Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male.  My little darling was all 
girl.  Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the

same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life.  She was FeLV+
which 
led me to this wonderful group.

All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before
you 
have her spayed.  FYI:  I like colostrum (health food stores or the local
farm 
store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to
give 
it for a good while before.  Most of the cats in my life are feral and they
have 
their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume.  Arnica helps 
healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:

 A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her
stomach...I've
 had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable
 that they were in heat.
 Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin
 supplements before she is spayed.  BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also
 see if there's a scar!  I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't
know
 whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no
danger
 of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise,
 we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also
check
 for nipple size
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
 
 This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she
 has
 ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
 If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray
 she
 is not pregnant.
 
 If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting
to
 see.
 
 As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
  Jannes
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
I would say leave well enough alone unless you are afraid that she may get
pregnant...let her recuperate and then have the vet check her.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though.  I took  
Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed.  She had no scar.  Apparently  
scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc.  I  
was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel  
sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear.  My wonderful vets ran the  
blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money.  A  
couple of weeks later, one called with the results.  Either Dixie had  
been spayed or she was a male.  My little darling was all girl.  Dixie  
was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same  
pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life.  She was FeLV+  
which led me to this wonderful group.

All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats  
before you have her spayed.  FYI:  I like colostrum (health food  
stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to  
have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before.  Most of  
the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about  
what they will and will not consume.  Arnica helps healing...I use  
it frequently myself and swear by it.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:

 A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her  
 stomach...I've
 had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was  
 noticeable
 that they were in heat.
 Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good  
 vitamin
 supplements before she is spayed.  BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can  
 also
 see if there's a scar!  I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we  
 don't know
 whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's  
 no danger
 of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat,  
 otherwise,
 we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much -  
 also check
 for nipple size

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  
 Taylor
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

 This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea  
 if she
 has
 ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
 If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope  
 and pray
 she
 is not pregnant.

 If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just  
 waiting to
 see.

 As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
  Jannes



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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread MaiMaiPG
Colostrum...works wonders for critters and people.  If you have access  
to a holistic vet, ask her/him for advise.

On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote:

I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the  
meantime, are

there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks!
Jannes





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the
cocktailworks wonders!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  
Taylor

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend?
Jannes





From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though.  I  
took Dixie


Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed.  She had no scar.  Apparently scars  
are
becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc.  I was  
convinced

that
she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder  
and

yelled
in my ear.  My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they  
were very

sure
I was wasting my money.  A couple of weeks later, one called with the
results.
Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male.  My little darling  
was all
girl.  Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by  
was of the


same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life.  She was  
FeLV+

which
led me to this wonderful group.

All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats  
before

you
have her spayed.  FYI:  I like colostrum (health food stores or the  
local

farm
store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and  
try to

give
it for a good while before.  Most of the cats in my life are feral  
and they

have
their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume.   
Arnica helps

healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:


A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her

stomach...I've
had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was  
noticeable

that they were in heat.
Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good  
vitamin
supplements before she is spayed.  BTW, when she's shaved, a vet  
can also
see if there's a scar!  I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we  
don't

know

whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no

danger
of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat,  
otherwise,
we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much -  
also

check

for nipple size

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  
Taylor

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea  
if she

has
ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope  
and pray

she
is not pregnant.

If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just  
waiting

to

see.

As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
 Jannes



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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up
so Amber doesn't get diarrhea.  Does she like yogurt?  If not, also get some
acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also
some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do,
however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

 I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are

there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks!
 Jannes 





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the
cocktailworks wonders!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend?
 Jannes 





From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though.  I took Dixie

Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed.  She had no scar.  Apparently scars are 
becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc.  I was convinced
that 
she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and
yelled 
in my ear.  My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very
sure 
I was wasting my money.  A couple of weeks later, one called with the
results.  
Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male.  My little darling was all 
girl.  Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the

same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life.  She was FeLV+
which 
led me to this wonderful group.

All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before
you 
have her spayed.  FYI:  I like colostrum (health food stores or the local
farm 
store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to
give 
it for a good while before.  Most of the cats in my life are feral and they
have 
their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume.  Arnica helps 
healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:

 A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her
stomach...I've
 had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable
 that they were in heat.
 Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin
 supplements before she is spayed.  BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also
 see if there's a scar!  I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't
know
 whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no
danger
 of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise,
 we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also
check
 for nipple size
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
 
 This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she
 has
 ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
 If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray
 she
 is not pregnant.
 
 If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting
to
 see.
 
 As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
  Jannes
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Natalie
What kind of yeast tablets do you get?
My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put 
brewer's yeast on our popcorn.

Thanks.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle


Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build 
up
so Amber doesn't get diarrhea.  Does she like yogurt?  If not, also get 
some

acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also
some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do,
however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, 
are


there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks!
Jannes





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the
cocktailworks wonders!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend?
Jannes





From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took 
Dixie


Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are
becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced
that
she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and
yelled
in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very
sure
I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the
results.
Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all
girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of 
the


same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+
which
led me to this wonderful group.

All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before
you
have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local
farm
store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to
give
it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they
have
their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps
healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:


A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her

stomach...I've

had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable
that they were in heat.
Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin
supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also
see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't

know

whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no

danger
of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, 
otherwise,

we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also

check

for nipple size

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if 
she

has
ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and 
pray

she
is not pregnant.

If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting

to

see.

As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
Jannes



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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread MaiMaiPG
Please:  More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn.  This is a new  
one...type and amount?  Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and  
Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and  
Thomas Cougar and Bob the Dog.  Just figuring out how to present it is  
the issue.  I think it would be great for the ferals too.

On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Natalie
What kind of yeast tablets do you get?
My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put  
brewer's yeast on our popcorn.

Thanks.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle


Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and  
build up
so Amber doesn't get diarrhea.  Does she like yogurt?  If not, also  
get some
acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are  
also
some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) -  
they do,

however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  
Taylor

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the  
meantime, are


there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks!
Jannes





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the
cocktailworks wonders!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  
Taylor

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend?
Jannes





From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I  
took Dixie


Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars  
are
becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was  
convinced

that
she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my  
shoulder and

yelled
in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they  
were very

sure
I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the
results.
Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling  
was all
girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by  
was of the


same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was  
FeLV+

which
led me to this wonderful group.

All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats  
before

you
have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the  
local

farm
store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and  
try to

give
it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral  
and they

have
their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume.  
Arnica helps

healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:


A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her

stomach...I've
had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was  
noticeable

that they were in heat.
Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good  
vitamin
supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet  
can also
see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we  
don't

know
whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's  
no

danger
of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat,  
otherwise,
we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much -  
also

check

for nipple size

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  
Taylor

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no  
idea if she

has
ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not...
If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope  
and pray

she
is not pregnant.

If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just  
waiting

to

see.

As always, thank you everyone for your advice!
Jannes



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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
My housemate and I were faced with such a decision 10 or 11 years ago, when
we moved from our separate apartments to our formerly-two-flat house, and
melded our cat families. She had two, an elderly lady named Kitty and a
pugnacious orange boy named Tribble. I had 3 -- my laid-back Luc, my
introverted fluffy tortie Phoebe, and my mom's black girly, Missy. Tribble
had always deferred to Kitty when they lived together, and continued to do
so, thank goodness. But as time went on and our cat population changed a
little, Tribble showed quite a bit of aggression, and we had to take
somebody or other to the vet to have bites treated at least twice. So we
were in a real bind, since we are both cats-are-family-for-life people, and
we did love Tribble with all his peculiarities. We knew nobody would adopt
him anyway. We are both anti-declaw and had the raggedy furniture to prove
it, but we decided that for the safety of the other cats we would have him
declawed, feeling maybe he would lose some aggressiveness, and also that he
might still be able to bite, but he wouldn't be able to dig in and hold on
while he did so. We found the one place in town at the time that did the
laser technique.

We were worried about all the things mentioned -- the pain, the litter
problems, the behavioral problems. But he really seemed not to mind, even
during the first days. He was fine with the litterbox, and didn't develop
any behavioral problems above and beyond the ones he had going in. He was
still aggressive, but wasn't able to inflict nearly the damage, which was
mission accomplished as far as we were concerned. The upside for him is that
to this day he still tries to sharpen those claws on furniture, wicker etc.,
and he's the only one that doesn't get shooed away. I know we got lucky
here, and that most cats suffer more, but if we had it to do again we'd
still make the same decision under the same circumstances. It was either
that or sentence Tribble to almost certain death.

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

I can see some times where it is either declaw the cat or end its
life.for the safety of an elderly owner for example.  That being said,
Copper and Thomas have their claws and, with a little planning re furniture,
there has been no problem.  Dixie and Ebony kept theirs too.  Ebony caused
some problems but, if I had known then  what I know now, I could have
limited them.  It takes a little work and patience, planning and thinking.
I would encourage anyone who wanted a declawed cat to try and get one that
has already been declawed.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote:

 That's horrible, and many people do not realize what it entails and 
 how many cats lose their lives - they think it's a manicure...but many 
 vets are to blame.  Several people told me that after adopting from 
 us, they went to their own vet, and after telling them that the cats 
 will be kept indoors only, the vets said Oh, you have an option to 
 declaw!  Banfield Health.
 The group at Petsmart, offers a big special for kitten health - all 
 the vaccines, exams, and declawing for a very good price!  I wrote to 
 them about declawing; they wrote back with the most ridiculous 
 comments.  If anyone would like to see their reply, I'll send it 
 privately.  Last year, I was informed that they will no longer cut 
 ears and tails on dogs, because it's purely cosmetic...I wrote to 
 them, asking their policy on declawing since they have made that big 
 leap on no longer mutilating dogs, they might have reconsidered doing 
 it to cats...no reply from them.
 O always ask people what they would prefer, a few things scratched up 
 or urine-soaked carpets and furniture.Besides, not all cats grow 
 up to be scratchers...and providing good posts and trimming their 
 nails works well.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:44 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors


 Natalie,  I am with you about the declawing.  Someone I know adopted 
 two
 kittens from me and one died on the table during a declaw surgery.   
 Yes, I
 HAD told her before hand NO declawing but people don't listen and 
 they always know best, yadda yadda :(  Then they wonder why Buster is 
 peeing on the bed and the floor because his paws hurt so badly from 
 the surgery.  SIGH :(

 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:55:49 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 Edna, that's exactly what I tell people about letting their cats out 
 just because they want to. I ask them if they would allow their 3-yr 
 old to
 play
 in the 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread dlgegg
Lord, from the number of declawed and indoor cat replies, I have a lot of 
emails to go thru.  Lots of opinions there.
As for me, I will put up with the furniture problems, etc. rather than put any 
of my babies thru any pain and discomfort.  Of course, when it comes to 
fighting and keep or put down type of desision, that is a different situation.  
Fortunately, I have not had to make any such decision.  We have slaps, hisses 
and screams of If you come one step closer, I am going to kill you but 
usually the screamer turns tail and runs.  It is just show.  It does get a bit 
noisy sometimes.  If only the 2 screamers could be made to understand that if 
they just ignored the others, they would give up and stop pestering them.  
Really do wish I could sit them down and explain it to them.
 Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: 
 My housemate and I were faced with such a decision 10 or 11 years ago, when
 we moved from our separate apartments to our formerly-two-flat house, and
 melded our cat families. She had two, an elderly lady named Kitty and a
 pugnacious orange boy named Tribble. I had 3 -- my laid-back Luc, my
 introverted fluffy tortie Phoebe, and my mom's black girly, Missy. Tribble
 had always deferred to Kitty when they lived together, and continued to do
 so, thank goodness. But as time went on and our cat population changed a
 little, Tribble showed quite a bit of aggression, and we had to take
 somebody or other to the vet to have bites treated at least twice. So we
 were in a real bind, since we are both cats-are-family-for-life people, and
 we did love Tribble with all his peculiarities. We knew nobody would adopt
 him anyway. We are both anti-declaw and had the raggedy furniture to prove
 it, but we decided that for the safety of the other cats we would have him
 declawed, feeling maybe he would lose some aggressiveness, and also that he
 might still be able to bite, but he wouldn't be able to dig in and hold on
 while he did so. We found the one place in town at the time that did the
 laser technique.
 
 We were worried about all the things mentioned -- the pain, the litter
 problems, the behavioral problems. But he really seemed not to mind, even
 during the first days. He was fine with the litterbox, and didn't develop
 any behavioral problems above and beyond the ones he had going in. He was
 still aggressive, but wasn't able to inflict nearly the damage, which was
 mission accomplished as far as we were concerned. The upside for him is that
 to this day he still tries to sharpen those claws on furniture, wicker etc.,
 and he's the only one that doesn't get shooed away. I know we got lucky
 here, and that most cats suffer more, but if we had it to do again we'd
 still make the same decision under the same circumstances. It was either
 that or sentence Tribble to almost certain death.
 
 Diane R. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:49 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
 I can see some times where it is either declaw the cat or end its
 life.for the safety of an elderly owner for example.  That being said,
 Copper and Thomas have their claws and, with a little planning re furniture,
 there has been no problem.  Dixie and Ebony kept theirs too.  Ebony caused
 some problems but, if I had known then  what I know now, I could have
 limited them.  It takes a little work and patience, planning and thinking.
 I would encourage anyone who wanted a declawed cat to try and get one that
 has already been declawed.
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote:
 
  That's horrible, and many people do not realize what it entails and 
  how many cats lose their lives - they think it's a manicure...but many 
  vets are to blame.  Several people told me that after adopting from 
  us, they went to their own vet, and after telling them that the cats 
  will be kept indoors only, the vets said Oh, you have an option to 
  declaw!  Banfield Health.
  The group at Petsmart, offers a big special for kitten health - all 
  the vaccines, exams, and declawing for a very good price!  I wrote to 
  them about declawing; they wrote back with the most ridiculous 
  comments.  If anyone would like to see their reply, I'll send it 
  privately.  Last year, I was informed that they will no longer cut 
  ears and tails on dogs, because it's purely cosmetic...I wrote to 
  them, asking their policy on declawing since they have made that big 
  leap on no longer mutilating dogs, they might have reconsidered doing 
  it to cats...no reply from them.
  O always ask people what they would prefer, a few things scratched up 
  or urine-soaked carpets and furniture.Besides, not all cats grow 
  up to be scratchers...and providing good posts and trimming their 
  nails works well.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-24 Thread MaiMaiPG
You did the best thing younew to do and it worked.  Blessings to you  
both and your family. Sometimes you just take your best shot and pray.

On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

My housemate and I were faced with such a decision 10 or 11 years  
ago, when
we moved from our separate apartments to our formerly-two-flat  
house, and
melded our cat families. She had two, an elderly lady named Kitty  
and a

pugnacious orange boy named Tribble. I had 3 -- my laid-back Luc, my
introverted fluffy tortie Phoebe, and my mom's black girly, Missy.  
Tribble
had always deferred to Kitty when they lived together, and continued  
to do
so, thank goodness. But as time went on and our cat population  
changed a

little, Tribble showed quite a bit of aggression, and we had to take
somebody or other to the vet to have bites treated at least twice.  
So we
were in a real bind, since we are both cats-are-family-for-life  
people, and
we did love Tribble with all his peculiarities. We knew nobody would  
adopt
him anyway. We are both anti-declaw and had the raggedy furniture to  
prove
it, but we decided that for the safety of the other cats we would  
have him
declawed, feeling maybe he would lose some aggressiveness, and also  
that he
might still be able to bite, but he wouldn't be able to dig in and  
hold on
while he did so. We found the one place in town at the time that did  
the

laser technique.

We were worried about all the things mentioned -- the pain, the litter
problems, the behavioral problems. But he really seemed not to mind,  
even
during the first days. He was fine with the litterbox, and didn't  
develop
any behavioral problems above and beyond the ones he had going in.  
He was
still aggressive, but wasn't able to inflict nearly the damage,  
which was
mission accomplished as far as we were concerned. The upside for him  
is that
to this day he still tries to sharpen those claws on furniture,  
wicker etc.,
and he's the only one that doesn't get shooed away. I know we got  
lucky
here, and that most cats suffer more, but if we had it to do again  
we'd
still make the same decision under the same circumstances. It was  
either

that or sentence Tribble to almost certain death.

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

I can see some times where it is either declaw the cat or end its
life.for the safety of an elderly owner for example.  That being  
said,
Copper and Thomas have their claws and, with a little planning re  
furniture,
there has been no problem.  Dixie and Ebony kept theirs too.  Ebony  
caused

some problems but, if I had known then  what I know now, I could have
limited them.  It takes a little work and patience, planning and  
thinking.
I would encourage anyone who wanted a declawed cat to try and get  
one that

has already been declawed.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote:


That's horrible, and many people do not realize what it entails and
how many cats lose their lives - they think it's a manicure...but  
many

vets are to blame.  Several people told me that after adopting from
us, they went to their own vet, and after telling them that the cats
will be kept indoors only, the vets said Oh, you have an option to
declaw!  Banfield Health.
The group at Petsmart, offers a big special for kitten health - all
the vaccines, exams, and declawing for a very good price!  I wrote to
them about declawing; they wrote back with the most ridiculous
comments.  If anyone would like to see their reply, I'll send it
privately.  Last year, I was informed that they will no longer cut
ears and tails on dogs, because it's purely cosmetic...I wrote to
them, asking their policy on declawing since they have made that big
leap on no longer mutilating dogs, they might have reconsidered doing
it to cats...no reply from them.
O always ask people what they would prefer, a few things scratched up
or urine-soaked carpets and furniture.Besides, not all cats grow
up to be scratchers...and providing good posts and trimming their
nails works well.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors


Natalie,  I am with you about the declawing.  Someone I know adopted
two
kittens from me and one died on the table during a declaw surgery.
Yes, I
HAD told her before hand NO declawing but people don't listen and
they always know best, yadda yadda :(  Then they wonder why Buster is
peeing on the bed and the floor because his paws hurt so badly from
the surgery.  SIGH :(


Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:55:49 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

[Felvtalk] LTCI thank you!

2011-03-24 Thread Sean T. Collins
Beth, Sharyl, Andy, thank you so much for your concern and help! And Andy,
thank you for the link to tcyte.com—I was unaware of that site. Fortunately,
I got good news from the staff at the vet today: Felix's doctor was able to
order the medicine using one of the numbers I sniffed up from the Internet!
I didn't speak to her directly, so I'm not sure which one worked, but it
would have been associated with either AgriLabs or its subdivision ProLabs,
which I believe bought out Imulan, the company that used to manufacture the
medicine. (Of course, now I have no idea how TCyte factors into all this...)
If and when my wife or I speak to her directly, I will find out which number
worked and share it here. Thanks again, with all my heart!

Sean
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Bonnie Hogue

MMPG
I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago.  I 
think it helped with fleas.  But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as 
well.
When we have movie night we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on 
it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on.  Very 
tasty.  This is for us humans, mind you.  The cats always try to lick out 
the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content.  So, if we can 
find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better.

~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle


Please:  More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn.  This is a new 
one...type and amount?  Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and 
Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and  Thomas 
Cougar and Bob the Dog.  Just figuring out how to present it is  the 
issue.  I think it would be great for the ferals too.

On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Natalie
What kind of yeast tablets do you get?
My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put 
brewer's yeast on our popcorn.

Thanks.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle


Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and 
build up
so Amber doesn't get diarrhea.  Does she like yogurt?  If not, also  get 
some
acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are 
also
some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) -  they 
do,

however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the  meantime, 
are


there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks!
Jannes





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the
cocktailworks wonders!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  Taylor
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend?
Jannes





From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I  took 
Dixie


Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars  are
becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was 
convinced

that
she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my  shoulder 
and

yelled
in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they  were 
very

sure
I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the
results.
Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling  was 
all
girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by  was of 
the


same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was 
FeLV+

which
led me to this wonderful group.

All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats 
before

you
have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the  local
farm
store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and  try 
to

give
it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral  and 
they

have
their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume.  Arnica 
helps

healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:


A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her

stomach...I've
had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was 
noticeable

that they were in heat.
Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good 
vitamin
supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet  can 
also

see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we  don't

know

whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's  no

danger
of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, 
otherwise,

we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much -  also

check

for nipple size

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org

[Felvtalk] Garrett Please add to the CLS :(

2011-03-24 Thread Sherry DeHaan
So you would think there was no more need for MORE kitties in heaven!! Today 
our sweet 
Sids kid Garrett left us. He was a quiet laid back cat that NEVER caused any 
problems.Always had a purr for you and such a sweet face. Dont know how much 
more we volunteers AND Dr Jen can take with losing so many all so close 
together...ONLY good thing to come of their passings is that there is room for 
another kitty in need of TLC and a home.
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
www.swansonvitamins.com - great source for great prices
Brewer's Yeast tablets:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Search?keyword=Brewers+Yeast+tabletsdoSearch
=truentt=n=0ntk=Level1x=44y=12 
Nutritional yeast flakes are very nutritious - great in cooking and
flavoring!  

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

MMPG
I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago.  I 
think it helped with fleas.  But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as 
well.
When we have movie night we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on

it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on.  Very 
tasty.  This is for us humans, mind you.  The cats always try to lick out 
the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content.  So, if we can 
find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle


 Please:  More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn.  This is a new 
 one...type and amount?  Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and 
 Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and  Thomas 
 Cougar and Bob the Dog.  Just figuring out how to present it is  the 
 issue.  I think it would be great for the ferals too.
 On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Natalie
 What kind of yeast tablets do you get?
 My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put 
 brewer's yeast on our popcorn.
 Thanks.
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle


 Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and 
 build up
 so Amber doesn't get diarrhea.  Does she like yogurt?  If not, also  get

 some
 acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are 
 also
 some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) -  they 
 do,
 however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  Taylor
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

 I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the  meantime,

 are

 there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks!
 Jannes




 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

 Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the
 cocktailworks wonders!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes  Taylor
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

 What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend?
 Jannes




 
 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle

 There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I  took 
 Dixie

 Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars  are
 becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was 
 convinced
 that
 she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my  shoulder 
 and
 yelled
 in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they  were 
 very
 sure
 I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the
 results.
 Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling  was 
 all
 girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by  was of

 the

 same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was 
 FeLV+
 which
 led me to this wonderful group.

 All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats 
 before
 you
 have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the  local
 farm
 store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and  try 
 to
 give
 it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral  and 
 they
 have
 their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume.  Arnica 
 helps
 healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it.


 On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote:

 A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her
 stomach...I've
 had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it 

Re: [Felvtalk] Garrett Please add to the CLS :(

2011-03-24 Thread Natalie
Heaven will be a better place with Garrett - but such a sad one for you! I
am so sorry - Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:14 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Garrett Please add to the CLS :(

So you would think there was no more need for MORE kitties in heaven!! Today
our sweet 
Sids kid Garrett left us. He was a quiet laid back cat that NEVER caused any
problems.Always had a purr for you and such a sweet face. Dont know how much
more we volunteers AND Dr Jen can take with losing so many all so close
together...ONLY good thing to come of their passings is that there is room
for another kitty in need of TLC and a home.
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Garrett Please add to the CLS :(

2011-03-24 Thread Sharyl
Sherry, you all have such big hearts.  These special kitties are loved and 
cared for for however long they have.  So many kitties don't get that kind of 
lovin'.
 
Thank you for being there for them
Sharyl

--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Garrett Please add to the CLS :(
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 10:14 PM


So you would think there was no more need for MORE kitties in heaven!! Today 
our sweet 
Sids kid Garrett left us. He was a quiet laid back cat that NEVER caused any 
problems.Always had a purr for you and such a sweet face. Dont know how much 
more we volunteers AND Dr Jen can take with losing so many all so close 
together...ONLY good thing to come of their passings is that there is room for 
another kitty in need of TLC and a home.
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI thank you!

2011-03-24 Thread designercats

Hi Sean,Tcyte (Dr. Beardsley) was the original company who developed the LTCI.  
The LTCI was very reasonably priced.  Tcyte was in the midst of trials. The 
marketing rights? were sold to Imulan in the midst of the initial trials, who 
then inflated the price terribly. Imulan then sold (probably the marketing 
rights) to Agrilabs.I'm glad that Tcyte is once again marketing the LTCI.I also 
hope Dr. Beardsley further develops this product.El

 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:48:59 -0400
 From: nonservia...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] LTCI thank you!
 
 Beth, Sharyl, Andy, thank you so much for your concern and help! And Andy,
 thank you for the link to tcyte.com—I was unaware of that site. Fortunately,
 I got good news from the staff at the vet today: Felix's doctor was able to
 order the medicine using one of the numbers I sniffed up from the Internet!
 I didn't speak to her directly, so I'm not sure which one worked, but it
 would have been associated with either AgriLabs or its subdivision ProLabs,
 which I believe bought out Imulan, the company that used to manufacture the
 medicine. (Of course, now I have no idea how TCyte factors into all this...)
 If and when my wife or I speak to her directly, I will find out which number
 worked and share it here. Thanks again, with all my heart!
 
 Sean
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