Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace

2011-04-18 Thread MaiMaiPG
There is a number of things you can put in her water to help with the  
teeth and I have a holistic vet who swears by PetzLife gel.


By any chance do you have an old tv and vcr/dvd player?  There are  
wonderful CDs/DVDs/videos that have all sorts of cat entertaining  
shows on them.  Two cats of mine would sit on a stool to watch them.   
If I was asleep and they wanted to see it, Ebony would stare me wake  
and then sit on the stool in front of the dark tv.  I wish I had  
thought and put it on a timer for them when I was on long shifts.  Now  
I ust feed birds close to the windows my cats like best.  Between the  
deer, turkey, squirrels etc they are very entertained.  Assming money  
is as tight for you as for most of us, consider checking the  
libraries, Goodwill etc.



On Apr 17, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote:

Samson is pretty patient with cats but Amber is a brave little  
thing. She has
smacked him a few times just because she wanted to and one time he  
let her know
he did not like it. Scared me and her both! I can't remember exactly  
what he did

it happened so fast. I do remember that I screamed and she ran. LOL
I try to spend as much time with Amber as I can. I go down in the  
basement first
thing in the am to let her out and pet her for a while. I do the  
same thing in
the afternoon. I work a full time job so I do the best I can. That  
is another

reason it is frustrating not being able to have her upstairs.
BTW, Amber only weighed 6 lbs on  her first visit to the vet a week  
after I got
her. I bet she would weigh 8 now. My two fat girls upstairs weigh 12  
and 14 lbs.
LOL. The vet says Amber is over a year old. Her teeth look worse  
than my six and
seven year old cats. Lots of yellow tartar on them. One of her long  
teeth in the
front is broken off some. She has not come in heat yet, so I still  
don't know if
she has been spayed or not. I've had her seven weeks now. So many  
things I

wonder about Amber my mystery cat.Jannes






From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 6:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace

You have to follow your heart.  If you are ever ready to try a  
screen door--for
your peace of mind--consider putting gauze or something like it over  
the door.
If your are not at peace with itdon't.  You are doing  
wonderfully and I bet

the dog and cat wind up being very good friends.
On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote:

I have heard that even hissing or spitting on each other could  
spread the
disease. This could penetrate through a screen door.  I've done a  
lot of

reading
and just have to do what I feel is best. I know a lot of people  
mix, but I am

just too scared.
All of you guys are wonderful however you do it. What chance would  
they have

without you? God Bless!
  Jannes





From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 6:35:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace

Have you considered a screen door between her and the other cats?  I

understand
the concernI brought Dixie (FeLV+) into a house with a FeLV-  
(Kitty).

Kitty
developed terminal cancer--no relationship to Dixie's presence and  
I let them
together.  They defined their territories until it was time for  
Kitty to

leave.
Dixie started going into the forbidden territory and comforting and  
learning

from Kitty.  BOT:  They could communicate but still be safe.
On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote:

Luckily, I have a soft hearted hubby who spent many hours working  
on this. He

is
not a carpenter by any means, but did pretty good for a rookie.
  Jannes





From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:40:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's Kitty Palace

Wow, nice little apartment she's got there!  She's a real cutie,  
too.  Looks
a bit like my cat, Miya-Chan.  She looks good  healthy too.  How  
nice of

you to do this for her!
~B.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives

2011-04-18 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
I had a cat with FELV that lived to be 17. I never separated him from my
other cats, they ate out of the same bowls, etc., and none of them ever
contracted the disease. The other ones were vaccinated against it. I've
also had 2 other positives living with my negative cats (one lived to be
4, the other 8), and none of my other cats ever contracted it.

My brother, too, had a positive cat that lived to be 17- and he, too,
never separated his cats out. None of his other cats (vaccinated) ever
contracted Feleuk. Just sayin'.


-Original Message-
From: Pam Norman [mailto:pam_nor...@charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives  negatives

I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now  when the IFA
test results come in. I've been reading  reading  from what I can
gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive  negative cats
even in the same house has been abandoned.  From what I have read, the
general sense is that it's fine for positives  negatives to be in the
same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging 
fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming.

But I know also that some of you have both positives  negatives really
living together, not separate. Right?

What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom  let me
cats visit, so at  least she SEES other cats.  What is she hisses 
spits?  Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were
nosing around her condo?  My feeling is that it would.

Also how effective is the vaccine these days?  I know that some years
ago the figure was about 30% so I never  had any of my cats vaccinated.

Has it been  improved?

Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess
she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep
her alone until then.  We  have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA
positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person
who runs it tells  me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she
HAS leukemia. Period.  And would go in with the positive cats. But my
understanding  is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of
fighting it off  putting her in with the positives is giving up.  I
think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA
positive.

Can anyone help me sort this out?

Pam



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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives

2011-04-18 Thread Lynda Wilson
I always love to hear positive experiences with FeLV+ cats. I still hope 
that mine will continue to test negative. May 9th can't get here soon enough 
for me!
- Original Message - 
From: POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu

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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives  negatives



I had a cat with FELV that lived to be 17. I never separated him from my
other cats, they ate out of the same bowls, etc., and none of them ever
contracted the disease. The other ones were vaccinated against it. I've
also had 2 other positives living with my negative cats (one lived to be
4, the other 8), and none of my other cats ever contracted it.

My brother, too, had a positive cat that lived to be 17- and he, too,
never separated his cats out. None of his other cats (vaccinated) ever
contracted Feleuk. Just sayin'.


-Original Message-
From: Pam Norman [mailto:pam_nor...@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives  negatives

I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now  when the IFA
test results come in. I've been reading  reading  from what I can
gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive  negative cats
even in the same house has been abandoned.  From what I have read, the
general sense is that it's fine for positives  negatives to be in the
same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging
fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming.

But I know also that some of you have both positives  negatives really
living together, not separate. Right?

What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom  let me
cats visit, so at  least she SEES other cats.  What is she hisses 
spits?  Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were
nosing around her condo?  My feeling is that it would.

Also how effective is the vaccine these days?  I know that some years
ago the figure was about 30% so I never  had any of my cats vaccinated.

Has it been  improved?

Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess
she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep
her alone until then.  We  have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA
positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person
who runs it tells  me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she
HAS leukemia. Period.  And would go in with the positive cats. But my
understanding  is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of
fighting it off  putting her in with the positives is giving up.  I
think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA
positive.

Can anyone help me sort this out?

Pam



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[Felvtalk] Update on Poppy!

2011-04-18 Thread Pam Norman
Test is in from IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA negative!   BUT they did another 
Elisa (the first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.


So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right now 
but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed 
info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk 
positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a 
month  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or 
something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you all are the 
ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the 
sanctuary) but I need your input.


My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done 
for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition her out 
of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one 
hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame  
out  put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding 
under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the 
wall.  There is a low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have 
that but will barricade everything else  leave several open crates with 
towels around also.


Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my 
negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice 
cat but it would be positive  that would eliminate any little chance 
Poppy might have.


Your thoughts, please please.

Pam
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[Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread Pam Norman
Test is in from IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA negative!   BUT they did another 
Elisa (the first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.


So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right now 
but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed 
info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk 
positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a 
month  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or 
something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you all are the 
ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the 
sanctuary) but I need your input.


My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done 
for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition her out 
of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one 
hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame  
out  put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding 
under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the 
wall.  There is a low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have 
that but will barricade everything else  leave several open crates with 
towels around also.


Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my 
negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice 
cat but it would be positive  that would eliminate any little chance 
Poppy might have.


Your thoughts, please please.

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

2011-04-18 Thread Natalie
If you could get some full-spectrum lights in the basement, it would be even
more ideal!
Lucky girl!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 7:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

It is in the basement. I let her roam free in the basement every chance I
get. 
Even though the palace is 8 feet long, 4 feet wide, and six feet tall, she
still 
likes to get out of it for a while. I can roll it outside but she doesn't
really 
like that. It seems to make her nervous when she is outdoors. Poor thing, I
wish 
she could talk so I could know her story! She is too tame and sweet from the

beginning to be a feral cat. Somebody must have just decided they did not
want 
her anymore and basically threw her away.
I the photos I had rolled it close to the basment garage door opening so she

could see the outdoors. It is when I roll it completely outside that she
gets 
the most nervous. Jannes 






From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:50:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

Jannes,

Is there access from the house or do you take her out there?

Pam

On 4/17/2011 11:15 AM, Jannes Taylor wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 Please dlick on this link to see photos of Amber's new kitty palace.div
 style=width:480px;text-align:right;embed width=480 height=360
 src=http://static.pbsrc.com/flash/rss_slideshow.swf;
 flashvars=rssFeed=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed1113.photobucket.com%
 Amber is the felv positive kitty we rescued 7 weeks ago. She was on
death's 
door
 just absolutely starving and did not look well. She had no energy to even 
play.
 After 7 weeks of TLC and good food it is hard for me to believe she has
any
 issues at all. I have three healthy cats upstairs and I am  not willing to

take
 the chance of exposing them to the virus even though they have been
vaccinated
 against felv.
 I am so glad I did not have Amber euthanized! The vet was leaning in that
 direction. God bless you all for all that you do for our sweet feline
friends.
  Jannes
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

2011-04-18 Thread Jannes Taylor
You are going to love this! I forgot to mention that we put a full spectrum 
light inside the palace. Look closely at the photos. It shows up in one of 
them. 
My hubby won't leave the basement lit up all day, but we leave the lights on in 
the palace. 

 Jannes 





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 9:40:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

If you could get some full-spectrum lights in the basement, it would be even
more ideal!
Lucky girl!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 7:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

It is in the basement. I let her roam free in the basement every chance I
get. 
Even though the palace is 8 feet long, 4 feet wide, and six feet tall, she
still 
likes to get out of it for a while. I can roll it outside but she doesn't
really 
like that. It seems to make her nervous when she is outdoors. Poor thing, I
wish 
she could talk so I could know her story! She is too tame and sweet from the

beginning to be a feral cat. Somebody must have just decided they did not
want 
her anymore and basically threw her away.
I the photos I had rolled it close to the basment garage door opening so she

could see the outdoors. It is when I roll it completely outside that she
gets 
the most nervous. Jannes 






From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:50:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

Jannes,

Is there access from the house or do you take her out there?

Pam

On 4/17/2011 11:15 AM, Jannes Taylor wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 Please dlick on this link to see photos of Amber's new kitty palace.div
 style=width:480px;text-align:right;embed width=480 height=360
 src=http://static.pbsrc.com/flash/rss_slideshow.swf;
 flashvars=rssFeed=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed1113.photobucket.com%
 Amber is the felv positive kitty we rescued 7 weeks ago. She was on
death's 
door
 just absolutely starving and did not look well. She had no energy to even 
play.
 After 7 weeks of TLC and good food it is hard for me to believe she has
any
 issues at all. I have three healthy cats upstairs and I am  not willing to

take
 the chance of exposing them to the virus even though they have been
vaccinated
 against felv.
 I am so glad I did not have Amber euthanized! The vet was leaning in that
 direction. God bless you all for all that you do for our sweet feline
friends.
  Jannes
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy!

2011-04-18 Thread Lynda Wilson
Positive on the ELISA, but NEG on the IFA test usually means that the virus 
is in the early stages. Poppy's immune system still has a chance of clearing 
the virus. I believe it is 6-8 weeks to do another IFA test. She still has 
hope and I am happy for you.


I'll pray and keep my fingers crossed for her and you as well!
- Original Message - 
From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy!


Test is in from IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA negative!   BUT they did another 
Elisa (the first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.


So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right now but 
when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed info in 
hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive 
sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a month  all 
this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or something else.  My 
vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you all are the ones who are hands on 
every day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need your input.


My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done 
for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition her out 
of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one 
hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame 
out  put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under 
the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall. 
There is a low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have that but 
will barricade everything else  leave several open crates with towels 
around also.


Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my 
negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice 
cat but it would be positive  that would eliminate any little chance 
Poppy might have.


Your thoughts, please please.

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives

2011-04-18 Thread Lynda Wilson
Hi, Pamgo to this link again, it explains the testing under How is FeLV 
detected



- Original Message - 
From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives  negatives



Great link, thank you, Lynda!

Pam

On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote:

Pam,

I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. 
Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this 
in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate 
information. I think it will answer many of your questions.  Here is the 
link:

http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F

I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected 
to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much 
attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus 
(meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia).


Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, 
then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010.  On 
March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He 
was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. 
He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have 
a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just 
thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk 
because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is 
strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again 
on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active 
and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was 
contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This 
disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not 
100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than 
not being protected at all.


I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her 
siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well.


Good luck! I hope this info helps!!

Lynda



- Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives  negatives


I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now  when the IFA 
test results come in. I've been reading  reading  from what I can 
gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive  negative cats 
even in the same house has been abandoned.  From what I have read, the 
general sense is that it's fine for positives  negatives to be in the 
same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging 
fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. 
But I know also that some of you have both positives  negatives really 
living together, not separate. Right?


What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom  let me 
cats visit, so at  least she SEES other cats.  What is she hisses  
spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing 
around her condo?  My feeling is that it would.


Also how effective is the vaccine these days?  I know that some years 
ago the figure was about 30% so I never  had any of my cats vaccinated. 
Has it been  improved?


Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess 
she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep 
her alone until then.  We  have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA 
positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person 
who runs it tells  me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she 
HAS leukemia. Period.  And would go in with the positive cats. But my 
understanding  is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of 
fighting it off  putting her in with the positives is giving up.  I 
think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA 
positive.


Can anyone help me sort this out?

Pam

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread TANYA NOE
   Positive on IFA means it has reached the bone barrow and there is no 
clearing the virus. If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has been 
at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is FeLV positive, but 
you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give her body time to clear the vius. 
There is still a slight chance she could clear the virus from her body even if 
it has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I have spoken with the maker 
of the snap test because we were always told that there we a lot of false 
positives and at my clinic there were probably 2-3 of every 10 tests that were 
positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are 99.999% accurate. 
   Whether you mix or not is completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2 years 
ago. Since cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a natural 
immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated the risk of the 
non-positive contracting FeLV is small. There is still a risk but it is very 
small.
   I hope this helps and thanks for taking care of this kitty!!
Tanya


--- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote:

 From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM
 Test is in from
 IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA
 negative!   BUT they did another Elisa (the
 first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.
 
 So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to
 Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read all the
 links with this confirmed info in hand.  My woman who
 is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive sanctuary,
 says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a month
  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma
 or something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical
 too.  But you all are the ones who are hands on every
 day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need
 your input.
 
 My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That
 wasn't done for some reason.  Will probably try to do
 that when I transition her out of the condo. Into a crate.
 Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I
 have a twin bed in there but am going to take the
 frame  out  put the mattresses on the floor cause
 I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark all the
 time. Same with stuff up against the wall.  There is a
 low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have that
 but will barricade everything else  leave several open
 crates with towels around also.
 
 Meanwhile her appetite is very good.
 
 I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't
 put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the
 sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would be positive
  that would eliminate any little chance Poppy might
 have.
 
 Your thoughts, please please.
 
 Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread designercats

Hi Pam,I have had cats that test positive on the SNAP test, and then again one 
month later.  Two months later the same cats have tested negative and then 
negative again after 6 months and continue to be negative a few years later.  I 
have one cat that still tested positive 6 months later but tested negative 2 
years later, all the while living with positives.There's always hope.El
 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:38:03 -0500
 From: pam_nor...@charter.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
 
 Test is in from IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA negative!   BUT they did another 
 Elisa (the first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.
 
 So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right now 
 but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed 
 info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk 
 positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a 
 month  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or 
 something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you all are the 
 ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the 
 sanctuary) but I need your input.
 
 My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done 
 for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition her out 
 of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one 
 hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame  
 out  put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding 
 under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the 
 wall.  There is a low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have 
 that but will barricade everything else  leave several open crates with 
 towels around also.
 
 Meanwhile her appetite is very good.
 
 I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my 
 negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice 
 cat but it would be positive  that would eliminate any little chance 
 Poppy might have.
 
 Your thoughts, please please.
 
 Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

2011-04-18 Thread Natalie
Now it really is ideal - you cannot imagine how much difference this has
made in our garage for the cat condos...we started this years ago and have
had no URIs at all since then, unless a sick cat comes in!  Those lights
truly are amazing!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

You are going to love this! I forgot to mention that we put a full spectrum 
light inside the palace. Look closely at the photos. It shows up in one of
them. 
My hubby won't leave the basement lit up all day, but we leave the lights on
in 
the palace. 

 Jannes 





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 9:40:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

If you could get some full-spectrum lights in the basement, it would be even
more ideal!
Lucky girl!

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 7:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

It is in the basement. I let her roam free in the basement every chance I
get. 
Even though the palace is 8 feet long, 4 feet wide, and six feet tall, she
still 
likes to get out of it for a while. I can roll it outside but she doesn't
really 
like that. It seems to make her nervous when she is outdoors. Poor thing, I
wish 
she could talk so I could know her story! She is too tame and sweet from the

beginning to be a feral cat. Somebody must have just decided they did not
want 
her anymore and basically threw her away.
I the photos I had rolled it close to the basment garage door opening so she

could see the outdoors. It is when I roll it completely outside that she
gets 
the most nervous. Jannes 






From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:50:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

Jannes,

Is there access from the house or do you take her out there?

Pam

On 4/17/2011 11:15 AM, Jannes Taylor wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 Please dlick on this link to see photos of Amber's new kitty palace.div
 style=width:480px;text-align:right;embed width=480 height=360
 src=http://static.pbsrc.com/flash/rss_slideshow.swf;
 flashvars=rssFeed=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed1113.photobucket.com%
 Amber is the felv positive kitty we rescued 7 weeks ago. She was on
death's 
door
 just absolutely starving and did not look well. She had no energy to even 
play.
 After 7 weeks of TLC and good food it is hard for me to believe she has
any
 issues at all. I have three healthy cats upstairs and I am  not willing to

take
 the chance of exposing them to the virus even though they have been
vaccinated
 against felv.
 I am so glad I did not have Amber euthanized! The vet was leaning in that
 direction. God bless you all for all that you do for our sweet feline
friends.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread Pam Norman
She is not positive on the IFA, she is negative.  An initial positive on 
the Elisa  the another positive on the Elisa, but at the same time, a 
negative on the IFA.


On 4/18/2011 1:09 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:

Positive on IFA means it has reached the bone barrow and there is no 
clearing the virus. If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has been 
at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is FeLV positive, but 
you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give her body time to clear the vius. 
There is still a slight chance she could clear the virus from her body even if 
it has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I have spoken with the maker 
of the snap test because we were always told that there we a lot of false 
positives and at my clinic there were probably 2-3 of every 10 tests that were 
positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are 99.999% accurate.
Whether you mix or not is completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2 years 
ago. Since cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a natural 
immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated the risk of the 
non-positive contracting FeLV is small. There is still a risk but it is very 
small.
I hope this helps and thanks for taking care of this kitty!!
Tanya


--- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net  wrote:


From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM
Test is in from
IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA
negative!   BUT they did another Elisa (the
first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.

So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to
Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read all the
links with this confirmed info in hand.  My woman who
is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive sanctuary,
says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a month
  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma
or something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical
too.  But you all are the ones who are hands on every
day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need
your input.

My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That
wasn't done for some reason.  Will probably try to do
that when I transition her out of the condo. Into a crate.
Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I
have a twin bed in there but am going to take the
frame  out  put the mattresses on the floor cause
I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark all the
time. Same with stuff up against the wall.  There is a
low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have that
but will barricade everything else  leave several open
crates with towels around also.

Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't
put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the
sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would be positive
  that would eliminate any little chance Poppy might
have.

Your thoughts, please please.

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread Christiane Biagi
Just a wild thought... Was the Elisa done by using blood on test strip or
saliva/tears???  Some vets may be still doing saliva/tears test  its
notorious for being wrong.  

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 4:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

She is not positive on the IFA, she is negative.  An initial positive on the
Elisa  the another positive on the Elisa, but at the same time, a negative
on the IFA.

On 4/18/2011 1:09 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:
 Positive on IFA means it has reached the bone barrow and there is no
clearing the virus. If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has
been at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is FeLV
positive, but you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give her body time to
clear the vius. There is still a slight chance she could clear the virus
from her body even if it has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I
have spoken with the maker of the snap test because we were always told that
there we a lot of false positives and at my clinic there were probably 2-3
of every 10 tests that were positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are
99.999% accurate.
 Whether you mix or not is completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2
years ago. Since cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a
natural immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated the risk of the
non-positive contracting FeLV is small. There is still a risk but it is very
small.
 I hope this helps and thanks for taking care of this kitty!!
 Tanya


 --- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net  wrote:

 From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM Test is in from
 IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA
 negative!   BUT they did another Elisa (the
 first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.

 So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right 
 now but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this 
 confirmed info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into 
 her FeLeuk positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the 
 next IFA in a month   all this IFA means is that she does not have 
 melanoma or something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you 
 all are the ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman 
 with the sanctuary) but I need your input.

 My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't 
 done for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition 
 her out of the condo. Into a crate.
 Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I have a 
 twin bed in there but am going to take the frame  out  put the 
 mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under the bed 
 in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall.  There 
 is a low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have that but 
 will barricade everything else  leave several open crates with 
 towels around also.

 Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

 I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of 
 my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me 
 a nice cat but it would be positive   that would eliminate any 
 little chance Poppy might have.

 Your thoughts, please please.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread TANYA NOE
Yes, I was just explaining what positive on the IFA meant. :)  
Positive on the snap and then positive again at least 6 weeks later is most 
likely positive.
Tanya

--- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote:

 From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 4:34 PM
 She is not positive on the IFA, she
 is negative.  An initial positive on 
 the Elisa  the another positive on the Elisa, but at
 the same time, a 
 negative on the IFA.
 
 On 4/18/2011 1:09 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:
      Positive on IFA means it has
 reached the bone barrow and there is no clearing the virus.
 If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has been
 at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is
 FeLV positive, but you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give
 her body time to clear the vius. There is still a slight
 chance she could clear the virus from her body even if it
 has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I have spoken
 with the maker of the snap test because we were always told
 that there we a lot of false positives and at my clinic
 there were probably 2-3 of every 10 tests that were
 positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are 99.999%
 accurate.
      Whether you mix or not is
 completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2 years ago. Since
 cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a
 natural immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated
 the risk of the non-positive contracting FeLV is small.
 There is still a risk but it is very small.
      I hope this helps and thanks
 for taking care of this kitty!!
  Tanya
 
 
  --- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net 
 wrote:
 
  From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM
  Test is in from
  IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA
  negative!   BUT they did another
 Elisa (the
  first was done in-house)  she is still
 Elisa positive.
 
  So tell me now what this means.  I have to go
 off to
  Madison right now but when I get back I will
 re-read all the
  links with this confirmed info in hand.  My
 woman who
  is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive
 sanctuary,
  says she will  test positive on the next IFA
 in a month
    all this IFA means is that she does
 not have melanoma
  or something else.  My vet is kinda
 skeptical
  too.  But you all are the ones who are hands
 on every
  day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but
 I need
  your input.
 
  My intention now is to get her to the vet for
 worming. That
  wasn't done for some reason.  Will probably
 try to do
  that when I transition her out of the condo. Into
 a crate.
  Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding
 place. I
  have a twin bed in there but am going to take the
  frame  out  put the mattresses on
 the floor cause
  I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark
 all the
  time. Same with stuff up against the wall. 
 There is a
  low to the floor desk  I guess I will
 let her have that
  but will barricade everything else 
 leave several open
  crates with towels around also.
 
  Meanwhile her appetite is very good.
 
  I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just
 can't
  put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at
 the
  sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would
 be positive
    that would eliminate any little chance
 Poppy might
  have.
 
  Your thoughts, please please.
 
  Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread Pam Norman

Good idea, but no, it was a blood test.  Both Elisas.

On 4/18/2011 4:21 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

Just a wild thought... Was the Elisa done by using blood on test strip or
saliva/tears???  Some vets may be still doing saliva/tears test  its
notorious for being wrong.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 4:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

She is not positive on the IFA, she is negative.  An initial positive on the
Elisa  the another positive on the Elisa, but at the same time, a negative
on the IFA.

On 4/18/2011 1:09 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:

 Positive on IFA means it has reached the bone barrow and there is no

clearing the virus. If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has
been at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is FeLV
positive, but you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give her body time to
clear the vius. There is still a slight chance she could clear the virus
from her body even if it has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I
have spoken with the maker of the snap test because we were always told that
there we a lot of false positives and at my clinic there were probably 2-3
of every 10 tests that were positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are
99.999% accurate.

 Whether you mix or not is completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2

years ago. Since cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a
natural immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated the risk of the
non-positive contracting FeLV is small. There is still a risk but it is very
small.

 I hope this helps and thanks for taking care of this kitty!!
Tanya


--- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net   wrote:


From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM Test is in from
IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA
negative!   BUT they did another Elisa (the
first was done in-house)   she is still Elisa positive.

So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right
now but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this
confirmed info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into
her FeLeuk positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the
next IFA in a month   all this IFA means is that she does not have
melanoma or something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you
all are the ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman
with the sanctuary) but I need your input.

My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't
done for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition
her out of the condo. Into a crate.
Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I have a
twin bed in there but am going to take the frame  out   put the
mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under the bed
in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall.  There
is a low to the floor desk   I guess I will let her have that but
will barricade everything else   leave several open crates with
towels around also.

Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of
my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me
a nice cat but it would be positive   that would eliminate any
little chance Poppy might have.

Your thoughts, please please.

Pam
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