Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-10 Thread MaiMaiPG
FYI:  Pretty Boy came to the house as a throw-away/stray/feral and  
hung around until we were able to live trap him for neutering (the  
price of free food, shelter).  He avoided being trapped for almost a  
year.  I had his teeth pulled and left him at the vet's for a long  
time to recover then cooped him up in a recovery room in a garage  
for a long time.  Wanted the meds to get out of his system, the gums  
to heal and harden and for him to cool off.  Needless to say he was  
one pissed off cat but he obviously felt better.  Petty Boy was  
returned to his friends that numbered 8-9 at that time so there were  
arguments, hunting, etc.  He has done fine and caught, repeatedly, a  
ground squirrel a few days ago.  He and the rest are served dry food  
daily and, depending on the weather, cat food soup--canned cat food  
mixed with water.  He eats both and, like the rest, looks in a window  
and stares when he wants seconds.  I don't leave a lot of food out any  
more because of packs of dogs running around.  Besides, the heat and  
humidity doesn't help either type of food.


He is doing fine and has been for at least 3 years now.  The vet  
thought he was about 10-11 when he had his teeth pulled.  God knows  
how long he had been in pain.



On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:04 PM, katskat1 wrote:


Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
other impression.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:


The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
We have
quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
side of
their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
front -
and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
feral
and are mushes now.
Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
always
surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them  
were

pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is  
expressing

his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet)  
and

is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by  
numerous

cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:


Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
in a bad
mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
the body's
systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
of their
babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis,  
etc.


Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
don't know
his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
brought in
from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
sick
kitty soon becoming a 'brand 

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-10 Thread Beth
Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have 
funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
 extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both
 of
 those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
 too, and
 his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
 clinic for
 a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
 probably
 can't do that, though.

 All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
 couldn't
 believe it.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is
 (ours
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
 We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
 chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
 than canned food at times.
 Natalie

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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 

Re: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?

2011-07-10 Thread Beth
Be careful. They can get parasites from some bugs such as moths

molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

My cats will eat bugs after they are done chasing and torturing them.  I 
assumed it was because their instinct tells them to devour their prey.  It's 
disgusting.  I have to turn away.

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From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:33 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

On the lighter side, I have seen them eat grasshppers and crickets.  That I 
don't see much reason for.  They get their protein from their food and it 
doesn't have scratchy legs to deal with.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
  
 
 Why Do Cats Eat Grass? 
 
 
 By Kathy Blumenstock, Animal Planet
 
 How often have you seen your cat happily chewing on blades of fresh green
 grass, and wondered why? You dish up the choicest cat food and offer gourmet
 treats, yet given the chance, Kitty chows down on the lawn as if she's a
 snacking racehorse. But there's little need to fret over the appeal of the
 feline salad bar, even when she throws it all up.
 
 Grazing in the Grass
 
 The juices in grass contain folic acid, a vitamin essential to a cat's
 well-being. Folic acid, also present in the mother cat's milk, aids the
 production of oxygen in the cat's bloodstream. A folic acid deficiency may
 lead to anemia, and a young cat's growth can be stunted if she doesn't get
 enough of it. Do cats instinctively know they're deficient in folic acid and
 nibble grass to right the situation? Even experts can only guess. For a cat
 who never goes outdoors, folic acid supplements are available, to be added
 to your cat's food. Your vet can advise whether your cat can benefit from
 these.
 
 That Laxative Appeal
 
 Since cats themselves can't say, experts theorize that cats eat grass as a
 natural laxative. It may add fiber and bulk to their diet, helping them pass
 worms or fur through their intestinal tract. If broader-leafed varieties
 offer a laxative effect, thinner-leafed grass induces cats to vomit. But
 veterinarians stop short of declaring grass necessary. It may assist in
 clearing things out, but healthy cats are able to process and pass matter
 out without this help. Some experts believe cats eat grass to settle their
 stomachs, much as humans pop an antacid tablet. Others say cats simply like
 the texture and taste of grass, no matter what its properties do for their
 insides.
 
 Heave-Ho
 
 After munching away on grass, a short time later, cats inevitably upchuck
 those greens. Not because they're gagging on the veggie flavor. It's because
 cats' systems do not have the correct enzymes to digest plant matter. By
 regurgitating grass, the cat also expels other indigestible items she may
 have eaten - which could include fur balls from grooming, or feathers and
 bones from any prey she has consumed. Clearing her digestive tract this way
 is healthy for the cat. It alleviates any feeling of discomfort, even if the
 process, and its end-products, may repulse her owner. So don't punish your
 cat for upchucking!
 
 Healthy Habit or Dangerous Delicacy?
 
 While eating grass may seem unappealing to you, many cats love it and it's
 not generally harmful to them. They rarely eat more than occasional small
 amounts, but if yours eats it daily or in large amounts, that could indicate
 intestinal distress that should be addressed by your vet. If your cat is an
 indoor-outdoor pet, supervise her grazing when you take her outside. Keep
 her away from grass or plants that have been chemically treated and always
 use pet-friendly lawn treatment or fertilizers. If your cat is outside most
 of the time, she could ingest toxic, pesticide-tainted grass - another good
 reason to keep your cat indoors
 http://www.care2.com/greenliving/bringing-an-outdoor-cat-inside.html .
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-10 Thread Beth
People release bodily fluids when they die too. If their bladder is full it 
gets released.t

molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

A few years back I had to euthanize a kitty that had FIP.  He did have fluid 
in his lungs but it did not come out when he was euthanised so if Dexter had 
fluid come out it doesn't mean that he for sure had it in his lungs.  It's 
kind of weird how some release bodily fluids when they die and some don't.  I 
found a dead possum in the road that had poop beside him and then I had a 
foster kitten die that did pee when she left her body.  So I've seen them 
release fluids and not do it.  When my FeLV kitty died in the vet's office in 
March she had blood in her chest and couldn't breath but when she died on the 
table right in front of me she didn't release any fluids nor did blood come 
out of her nose or mouth.  Oh crap, now that I'm thinking about her I'm 
starting to cry again.  Thought I was done with tears from that experience.  
Man, dealing with animals can really hurt.



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From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dexter
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com


The fluids escaping is a normal thing.  This happened wen my father passed and 
he was not moved.  This is a part of life and I would not miss being there for 
hiim just because it made it hard for me.  Our thoughts must be with our loved 
ones, not ourselves, no matter how hard it is.  Knowing that they did not 
suffer alone, that they knew someone cared and loved them is more important to 
me.  It is important to me that their last memories are that someone loved 
them enough.
 Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: 
 Natalie, I have never had this experience either when one of my furbabies
 has passed -- but I haven't picked them up or moved them around, perhaps
 this is just a gravity issue. I work for the county Medical Examiner, and I
 can attest that more often than not, there is some sort of fluid that
 escapes when a person dies. Could be mucus, urine, whatever might seek its
 own level when all the muscles relax. In Dexter's case, I'm guessing it was
 fluid that was building up somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it
 was making him suffer. I'm sorry that was the last thing you saw happen with
 him and it bothered you, but please don't let it make you feel guilty. It's
 natural.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
 but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
 always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
 about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
 NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul leaves it.
 This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a sign of pain.  It is
 a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason a vet may wrap a body in
 plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will leave a friend to leave this
 world without me holding him/her and this happens.  It also happens in
 natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases when a person commits suicide or
 even is murdered.  It can be awful if a family member discovers the body.
 This, again, is not a sign of pain.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:
 
  Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
  haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
  You've
  all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today 
  - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love 
  that little boy.  He was so special to us.
 
   If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
  have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, 
  please just skip this one:
 
  Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
  this morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was 
  injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  
  A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of 
  yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this 
  was fluid that had started to
  collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
  I don't
  know - I 

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-10 Thread Beth
I us Totes too. Our shelter has them in the Frat House room where their are a 
bunch of boys who make a mess. We had to put a tray under their water bowls too 
because they always had water all over the floor.
Beth

MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

Totes are wonderful.  I leave the top off and the boys are young  
enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are  
wonderful too.  I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who,  
late in life, had issues getting positioned.  Besides the totes are a  
lot cheaper and more appropriately sized.  FYI:  They make great  
outdoor shelters too.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:


 I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large  
 however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I  
 will try again (after deleting most of the original emails).  I have  
 used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used  
 to use it at their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd  
 awful after they had used the box even once and even customers  
 complained about the smell in the adoption center.  We had to go  
 back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because  
 people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was  
 scooped on a regular basis.

 For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large  
 Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats  
 can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from  
 peeing over the side.  We also use a low dust litter.  So far, our  
 cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up.

 Edna


 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

 Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop.  
 It got
 good online reviews.




 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle  
 athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone  
 used it
 before?

  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-10 Thread Beth
Our shelter uses Feline Pine. 
Beth

Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote:

I had the same experience with the feline Pine.  It smells like moldy wood to 
me.  Bought one bag and never again.

I think we may need to make a distinction between rescue households with a lot 
of cats and a constant parade of fosters coming and going and a household with 
just a few pet cats.  Mine is a rescue household and I have adopters coming 
too the house so I have to make sure it doesn't stink.  I've been using 
clumping litter for more than 10 years and we've never had a problem.  (When I 
fostered kittens though I used the old fashioned non-clumping clay litter 
because kittens have been known to try to eat litter.)



--- On Fri, 7/8/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 2:57 PM
 
 I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too
 large however, I noticed that others have responded with no
 problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the
 original emails).  I have used Feline Pine at home
 before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at
 their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd
 awful after they had used the box even once and even
 customers complained about the smell in the adoption
 center.  We had to go back to scoopable in both places
 but especially at the store because people would not go in
 to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a
 regular basis.
  
 For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large
 Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end
 so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator
 b*tt peers from peeing over the side.  We also use a
 low dust litter.  So far, our cats have done well and
 most of our cats are 12 and up.
  
 Edna
  
 
  Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
  
  Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter,
 Sweat Scoop. It got
  good online reviews.
  
  
  
  
  On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle 
  athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:
  
   Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline
 Pine - has anyone used it
   before?
  
     
 
       
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-10 Thread jbero tds.net
Jenny,

Most people in this group have heardr this story a dozen or five dozen times
before.  In general the reponse is to wait and retest.  I, personally, take
a more aggressive stance.

First of all, I agree with making sure it was felv and not fiv.  fiv is
usually transmitted through bites while felv is much easier to spread,
especially in the young.

Kittens have a compromised immune system (sort of like babies, needing the
mother's milk for passively acquired antibodies).  Because of this, kittens
are way way way more susceptible to the virus.  Your kitten already has an
upper respiratory which makes me really nervous about the snap test being
right.

It could be wrong and God willing it is, but from everything I have
experienced, read and seen your best bet at treating is now.  If you wait,
the virus can get into the bone marrow and that's when it causes problems.
I've lived this more than once.  An apparently healthy kitten can go
downhill by about one year to one and half years.  By then you're attached
and devastated and the treatments rarely work.  I've seen it over and over
again.

I'd treat now.  At the very least, give high quality food (personally I
recommend raw diet).  Foods like Orijen, Fromm are good.  I can't think of
any good kitten ones at the moment, someone else may know.  Second, I would
get Mega C (you can goggle it Mega C for cats) and mix it in with his food,
as much as you can.  Third I would consider more aggressive treatment -
Immunregulin or acemannan (if they still make it not sure).

My point is if your kitten has felv his best chance at beating it is
treating now.  Usually I believe in intervening as little as possible, but
with this virus the time to strike is now.  That's just my opinion take it
for what its worth.  There are some other approaches if you're interested in
considering treatment with high dose vitamins and NAC etc.  Good luck.

Jenny

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:06 AM, Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net wrote:

 I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was
 looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her
 in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she
 stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and
 nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten,
 little skiddish, but happy.
 I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of
 a
 runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But,
 she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I
 have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him,
 and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and
 the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than
 biting.

 I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep
 her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the
 two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up,
 and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3.

 I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing
 positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She
 goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to
 keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any
 advice?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chick feed for litter

2011-07-10 Thread Lorrie
Thanks for the info, Beth.  We have a Tractor Supply about 12 miles
away, and tho we don't go there often, I want to try this chick feed.
We live in a very cool climate, so maybe we won't get the weevils or
sour smell that sometimes comes from wet corn.  I scoop frequently
too which should help.

Lorrie 

On 07-09, Beth Noren wrote:
 Yes, I've used Dumor brand Starter/Grower Chick Feed.  I get it
 from Tractor Supply Co., think it was $13.00 for 50lbs? last time I
 got it.  It's a bit of a hike to TSC, so I don't always use it.  Plus.
 my husband complains that it doesn't handle odor well enough.  Pros:
 1.price  2.low dust  3.biodegradable  4.doesn't come from strip
 mining.  5.safer.  Cons: 1.odor control  2.doesn't clump as hard as
 clay  3.doesn't sift as easily as clay  4.some people have problems
 with weevils in it, especially in summer.  Overall I like it,
 especially after paying 40-50 bucks for a much smaller bag of World's
 Best, which is pretty similar.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Beth N.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-10 Thread Lorrie
Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
In-Reply-To: 
CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com

Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking 
care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin.
You are very kind.

Lorrie

On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:
 Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
 Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
 obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
  She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
 before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.
 
 I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
  has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
 ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.
 
 Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
 anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
 any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
 storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
 breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
 quality of whatever life she has
 
 Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.
 
 kat
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-10 Thread Natalie
Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
anything!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
 extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both
 of
 those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
 too, and
 his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
 clinic for
 a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
 probably
 can't do that, though.

 All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
 couldn't
 believe it.

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
 The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is
 (ours
 is
 FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
 FIV+does
 sound rather drastic, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-10 Thread Natalie
I've been using trays under the water bowls for years - sometimes the water
bowls are dragged clear across a large roomI also place bowls with dry
food into larger flat dishes or trays!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

I us Totes too. Our shelter has them in the Frat House room where their
are a bunch of boys who make a mess. We had to put a tray under their water
bowls too because they always had water all over the floor.
Beth

MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

Totes are wonderful.  I leave the top off and the boys are young  
enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are  
wonderful too.  I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who,  
late in life, had issues getting positioned.  Besides the totes are a  
lot cheaper and more appropriately sized.  FYI:  They make great  
outdoor shelters too.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:


 I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large  
 however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I  
 will try again (after deleting most of the original emails).  I have  
 used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used  
 to use it at their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd  
 awful after they had used the box even once and even customers  
 complained about the smell in the adoption center.  We had to go  
 back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because  
 people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was  
 scooped on a regular basis.

 For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large  
 Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats  
 can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from  
 peeing over the side.  We also use a low dust litter.  So far, our  
 cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up.

 Edna


 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

 Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop.  
 It got
 good online reviews.




 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle  
 athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone  
 used it
 before?

  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Husbands and cats

2011-07-10 Thread Lorrie
On 07-09, Lynda Wilson wrote:
 
 Wow! You are diligent keeping those litter boxes cleaned out. I bet
 your kitties love you more for that! Lorrie, what a caring and
 loving person you are to have 15 cats! I would have that many if I
 did not have a husband, lol! (Note: my husband has told me several
 times through the years that if there is such a thing as
 reincarnation, then he wants to come back as one of my cats!). I
 bet ppl say the same to you :)


Believe it or not my husband disliked my cats at one time. He never
mistreated them, but I dared not have more than 2 or 3, and when one
of them would jump on his lap he'd sort of freeze, and he never would
pet them.  Then one day I brought home a 4th cat, a little silver
gray female, Tizzy, who won his heart!  Since I rescue cats they
just kept coming after that, and now he is a total idiot over all the
cats.  He kisses them, sleeps with them, and if one is on his lap he
refuses to get up as he might disturb the cat.  He spoils them rotten
and even lets them sleep on the dinner table which I do NOT like, but
this is certainly a lot better than it was years ago.

If any of you have difficult husbands I can rent out Tizzy :-)

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-10 Thread Ben Williams
Unfortunately, acemannan is currently off the market. Carrington labs, the 
manufacturer, went out of business last year after struggling through 
bankruptcy for nearly a decade.  So, unless you can find a vet with a 
stockpile, it's all gone. It's a great drug, with applications for humans as 
well as kitties - I hope someone buys their patent soon.

-- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:16 AM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 Immunregulin or acemannan (if they still make it not sure).

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[Felvtalk] Great Topic: Husbands and cats

2011-07-10 Thread terrie
LOLI had to respond to this as well.
In the early years my late husband was a dog man and tolerated cats. Within 2 years I converted him into a cat man. Don't get me wrong he still loved dogs but like cats better because they were more personable. We are dog owners too. Over the course of years he had a few personal kitties. One is still with me. He is a 14 year old Balinese named Vinnie. 
When my husband became ill I took Vinnie to the skilled nursing facility to visit my late husband before he died. Vinnie also knew when he died too. Which spooked me sort of. Vinnie was sleeping then all the sudden woke up, started meowing, paced the floor a bit then went back to sleep. Within minutes the facility called me and told me my husband had passed away at 4:30 am (03/31/2011).
So I know animals havesome sort ofconnection with us humans when they are close like these two. When I got to the facility and told my daughter this she said she isn't surprised by this. Vinnie and my late husband were very close like 2 peas in a pod. My husband always called him his buddy and partner. 
He had also said over the course of the years he wanted to come back as one of my cats because they were spoiled and taken care of if it is possible. Whether they were rescues or personal kitties. I do know he said he couldn't wait to see the original "Taz" that had passed back in 2002.
Very few men would tolerate or care for the animals I had in rescue over the years. He would care for cats and kittenslike feeding, doing litter boxes, medicate if needed, would clean up hair balls. The one thing that would cracked me up is if a cat/kitten puked he would let me know and ask me to look at it or inspect to make sure it was okay. This was to make sure it was normal looking. The one thing he couldn't deal with was blood from animals. Humans he didn't care except for his loved ones.
He had a great love for animals especially for those that couldn't fend for themselves.
My husband was a one of a kind man and missed greatly by us.

Thanks for reading felt I needed to let others know from my end.

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 Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Husbands and catsFrom: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.comDate: Sun, July 10, 2011 7:52 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgOn 07-09, Lynda Wilson wrote:  Wow! You are diligent keeping those litter boxes cleaned out. I bet your kitties love you more for that! Lorrie, what a caring and loving person you are to have 15 cats! I would have that many if I did not have a husband, lol! (Note: my husband has told me several times through the years that if there is such a thing as reincarnation, then he wants to come back as one of my cats!). I bet ppl say the same to you :)Believe it or not my husband disliked my cats at one time. He nevermistreated them, but I dared not have more than 2 or 3, and when oneof them would jump on his lap he'd sort of freeze, and he never wouldpet them. Then one day I brought home a 4th cat, a little silvergray female, "Tizzy", who won his heart! Since I rescue cats theyjust kept coming after that, and now he is a total idiot over all thecats. He kisses them, sleeps with them, and if one is on his lap herefuses to get up as he might disturb the cat. He spoils them rottenand even lets them sleep on the dinner table which I do NOT like, butthis is certainly a lot better than it was years ago.If any of you have difficult husbands I can rent out Tizzy :-)Lorrie___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Great Topic: Husbands and cats

2011-07-10 Thread terrie
Also would like to add he did kiss, pacifythe cats/kittens, give special kitty treats, and baby talk to them. When it was bedtime for him he would ask me to move the cats from his side of the bed or he would sleep on my side so he wouldn't disturb the kitties. It was like this on the living room furniture as well. Husband would sit elsewhere wouldn't move them. If he had something on his dinner plate he would share it with the kitties too.
I used to tease him about this. Where as myself I would move the kitties so I could sit or lay in bed. I knew they would come back because in the mornings I feel like a pretzel when I woke up.

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 Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Great Topic: Husbands and catsFrom: ter...@tazzys.orgDate: Sun, July 10, 2011 8:39 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
LOLI had to respond to this as well.
In the early years my late husband was a dog man and tolerated cats. Within 2 years I converted him into a cat man. Don't get me wrong he still loved dogs but like cats better because they were more personable. We are dog owners too. Over the course of years he had a few personal kitties. One is still with me. He is a 14 year old Balinese named Vinnie. 
When my husband became ill I took Vinnie to the skilled nursing facility to visit my late husband before he died. Vinnie also knew when he died too. Which spooked me sort of. Vinnie was sleeping then all the sudden woke up, started meowing, paced the floor a bit then went back to sleep. Within minutes the facility called me and told me my husband had passed away at 4:30 am (03/31/2011).
So I know animals havesome sort ofconnection with us humans when they are close like these two. When I got to the facility and told my daughter this she said she isn't surprised by this. Vinnie and my late husband were very close like 2 peas in a pod. My husband always called him his buddy and partner. 
He had also said over the course of the years he wanted to come back as one of my cats because they were spoiled and taken care of if it is possible. Whether they were rescues or personal kitties. I do know he said he couldn't wait to see the original "Taz" that had passed back in 2002.
Very few men would tolerate or care for the animals I had in rescue over the years. He would care for cats and kittenslike feeding, doing litter boxes, medicate if needed, would clean up hair balls. The one thing that would cracked me up is if a cat/kitten puked he would let me know and ask me to look at it or inspect to make sure it was okay. This was to make sure it was normal looking. The one thing he couldn't deal with was blood from animals. Humans he didn't care except for his loved ones.
He had a great love for animals especially for those that couldn't fend for themselves.
My husband was a one of a kind man and missed greatly by us.

Thanks for reading felt I needed to let others know from my end.

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 Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Husbands and catsFrom: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.comDate: Sun, July 10, 2011 7:52 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgOn 07-09, Lynda Wilson wrote:  Wow! You are diligent keeping those litter boxes cleaned out. I bet your kitties love you more for that! Lorrie, what a caring and loving person you are to have 15 cats! I would have that many if I did not have a husband, lol! (Note: my husband has told me several times through the years that if there is such a thing as reincarnation, then he wants to come back as one of my cats!). I bet ppl say the same to you :)Believe it or not my husband disliked my cats at one time. He nevermistreated them, but I dared not have more than 2 or 3, and when oneof them would jump on his lap he'd sort of freeze, and he never wouldpet them. Then one day I brought home a 4th cat, a little silvergray female, "Tizzy", who won his heart! Since I rescue cats theyjust kept coming after that, and now he is a total idiot over all thecats. He kisses them, sleeps with them, and if one is on his lap herefuses to get up as he might disturb the cat. He spoils them rottenand even lets them sleep on the dinner table which I do NOT like, butthis is certainly a lot better than it was years ago.If any of you have difficult husbands I can rent out Tizzy :-)Lorrie___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-10 Thread MaiMaiPG
If you can find the money and please be very blunt with the vets and  
techs about finances leave him at the vets for a week or more.  They  
have the ability to get meds into him and may even get him accustomed  
to people.  Red and Pretty Boy spent a lot of time at the vets (Red  
for a nasty tick carried disease and PB for teeth).  Both came back a  
lot more gentle.  Mad as hell but gentle and the time they spent in  
the garage helped.  People bring food.  Cats like food.  Person talks  
but has food.  I would not try to pick either one up and hug him but  
they are a lot better than they were and they are hanging around the  
house more.  Vets and vet techs have given me lots of ideas for  
dealing with wild cats---some fit me and the ones I care for and some  
don't.  You have to pick and chose but ask.  Also there are some long  
acting antibiotic shots.  I found out about this when I had Copper and  
Thomas' teeth cleaned.  It is more expensive but you know the cat is  
medicated.  We used this when Soot got an infection from some bites.   
I did not see him from the time I put him in the garage until I opened  
the door for him to choose to leaveno way to medicate properly.


If the teeth are rotten/infected get rid of them.
On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Lorrie wrote:


Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
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Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking
care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin.
You are very kind.

Lorrie

On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She  
is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively  
worse.

She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays  
outside -

has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give  
her

quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat



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Re: [Felvtalk] Chick feed for litter

2011-07-10 Thread MaiMaiPG
Big 12 pound bags of soda are available at WalMarts/Sams etc---often  
with the swimming pool supplies.  Usually about $6.00.

On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Lorrie wrote:


Thanks for the info, Beth.  We have a Tractor Supply about 12 miles
away, and tho we don't go there often, I want to try this chick feed.
We live in a very cool climate, so maybe we won't get the weevils or
sour smell that sometimes comes from wet corn.  I scoop frequently
too which should help.

Lorrie

On 07-09, Beth Noren wrote:

Yes, I've used Dumor brand Starter/Grower Chick Feed.  I get it
from Tractor Supply Co., think it was $13.00 for 50lbs? last time I
got it.  It's a bit of a hike to TSC, so I don't always use it.   
Plus.

my husband complains that it doesn't handle odor well enough.  Pros:
1.price  2.low dust  3.biodegradable  4.doesn't come from strip
mining.  5.safer.  Cons: 1.odor control  2.doesn't clump as hard as
clay  3.doesn't sift as easily as clay  4.some people have problems
with weevils in it, especially in summer.  Overall I like it,
especially after paying 40-50 bucks for a much smaller bag of World's
Best, which is pretty similar.

Hope this helps,
Beth N.



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[Felvtalk] FW: Great Topic: Husbands and cats

2011-07-10 Thread Natalie
I had to erase a lot on this thread because it came back as too much for the 20 
KB limit on this list!

 

Thank you for sharing this touching story!

I know that once anyone, who claims NOT to be a cat person, is exposed to cats, 
they become almost like born-again “anything” – much more dedicated than 
someone who has always been like it.

My husband never grew up with pets because his parents always moved, left him 
and his sister in boarding schools – father was a career diplomat.

When we married, we immediately got a cat, then a dog…and so it goes!

 

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Also would like to add he did kiss, pacify the cats/kittens, give special kitty 
treats, and baby talk to them. When it was bedtime for him he would ask me to 
move the cats from his side of the bed or he would sleep on my side so he 
wouldn't disturb the kitties. It was like this on the living room furniture as 
well. Husband would sit elsewhere wouldn't move them. If he had something on 
his dinner plate he would share it with the kitties too.

I used to tease him about this. Where as myself I would move the kitties so I 
could sit or lay in bed. I knew they would come back because in the mornings I 
feel like a pretzel when I woke up.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Great Topic: Husbands and cats

2011-07-10 Thread Sharyl
What a great tribute to your wonderful husband.  You were fortunate to have 
found each other and share your love for God's creatures.
Sharyl

 
From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:39 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Great Topic: Husbands and cats


LOLI had to respond to this as well. 
In the early years my late husband was a dog man and tolerated cats. Within 2 
years I converted him into a cat man. Don't get me wrong he still loved dogs 
but like cats better because they were more personable. We are dog owners too. 
Over the course of years he had a few personal kitties. One is still with me. 
He is a 14 year old Balinese named Vinnie.  
When my husband became ill I took Vinnie to the skilled nursing facility to 
visit my late husband before he died. Vinnie also knew when he died too. Which 
spooked me sort of. Vinnie was sleeping then all the sudden woke up, started 
meowing, paced the floor a bit then went back to sleep. Within minutes the 
facility called me and told me my husband had passed away at 4:30 am   
(03/31/2011). 
So I know animals have some sort of connection with us humans when they are 
close like these two. When I got to the facility and told my daughter this she 
said she isn't surprised by this. Vinnie and my late husband were very close 
like 2 peas in a pod. My husband always called him his buddy and partner.  
He had also said over the course of the years he wanted to come back as one of 
my cats because they were spoiled and taken care of if it is possible. Whether 
they were rescues or personal kitties. I do know he said he couldn't wait to 
see the original Taz that had passed back in 2002. 
Very few men would tolerate or care for the animals I had in rescue over the 
years. He would care for cats and kittens like feeding, doing litter boxes, 
medicate if needed, would clean up hair balls. The one thing that would cracked 
me up is if a cat/kitten puked he would let me know and ask me to look at it or 
inspect to make sure it was okay. This was to make sure it was normal looking. 
The one thing he couldn't deal with was blood from animals. Humans he didn't 
care except for his loved ones. 
He had a great love for animals especially for those that couldn't fend for 
themselves. 
My husband was a one of a kind man and missed greatly by us. 

Thanks for reading felt I needed to let others know from my end.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-10 Thread Beth
I tried Sweat Scoop once. It was like cement when they peed  it dried. I 
literally had to take a hammer to get it off the bottom of the littr pan.
Beth

Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote:

Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got
good online reviews.




On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it
 before?

 I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my
 town.

   On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Same here - I might try it on a very small group.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

 I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I
 won't
 switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol!

 good to know, thanks for sharing!
 - Original Message -
 From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


  Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive.
  Exquisicat Natural Wheat.  I'm transitioning to this
 
  I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the
  switch well.  It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box
  odors.
 
  Maybe give this a try.  It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop.
 
  =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
  furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi
  =^..^=
   - Original Message -
   From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
 
   Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just
   checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an
   ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All
   Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus
  and
   haven't opened/tried it yet.
 
   I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to
  use
   something by Arm  Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was
  getting
   so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping
  clay -
   not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using
 regular
   litter and baking soda.
 
   Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to
 others
  I
   know who are using the clumping litter.
 
   Cindy
 
 
   - Original Message -
   From: Natalie at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
 
Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg!
   
The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust
  Most
   
Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning
   
Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to
  litter.
Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline
friends
including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even
  lung
cancer.
   
Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with
absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat
  digs
in
the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs
 and
  can
wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in
  jeopardy.
With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its
  lungs.
Damage can occur in just a short period of time.
   
Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is
 one
  of
the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to
  make
their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural
 clay
ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not
  always
safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and
 forms
  a
hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's
  stirring
up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it
expands
from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung
problems
like the ones mentioned above.
   
Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do
 Not
Let
Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your
  cat
from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your
 cat
from
grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from 

[Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-10 Thread Jenny Orvis
Thank you guys for all the wonderful responses! I've been caught up with
work lately, and giving sweet Cali so much attention (And when my Joey
doesn't tackle me and claim mama time). When we took her to the second vet,
they said her heart and lungs sounded good and clear. And Cali's temperature
has already dropped back to normal. She didn't say anything about the sore
on her tongue, but the sniffles and sneezes have gotten so much better in
two days also. She's on antibiotics to help clear that all up and she takes
it like a trooper.  She is such a different, happier little girl! We did the
IFA test, should get the results in a few days. I know, might be a bit too
early for it, but I wanted to really check.

As for her food, she's eating Royal Canin Baby Cat Instinctive. I'm already
going to have to go get her more. And we also feed her this gel twice a day.
I can't remember what it's called right now, got it from the vet, is
supposed to help her immune system. Oh!  She's gained 3 oz in two days also!
She's a pig. Haha.

I'm glad I took her into a second vet. Having that second opinion helps, and
they didn't completely sugar coat everything. I know I'm going to get
attached to her, already am. And how I'm looking at this is: if I have her
for 3 days or 17 years, I know I've made her life better, and she's made
mine so much more wonderful.

Now it's just the waiting game.
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Re: [Felvtalk] feral shelters

2011-07-10 Thread Beth
We have a lady here who puts thy styrofoam ones inside the plasric totes  theb 
cuts a hole in the side fir an entrance.

MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

Those would make nice outdoor shelters...weighted of course.
On Jul 8, 2011, at 8:30 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
  wrote:

 Styrofoam?  Harley and Dee would make hash out of them in no time.   
 If it resist the claws, it gets clawed to death.
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Are they called totes?
 I use large Styrofoam containers to ship chemo to hospitals - a  
 friend is an
 oncology nurse practitioner and saves them for us. They're larger  
 than
 Styrofoam coolers, sturdier, and already insulated.

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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:08 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

 Totes are wonderful.  I leave the top off and the boys are young
 enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are
 wonderful too.  I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who,
 late in life, had issues getting positioned.  Besides the totes are a
 lot cheaper and more appropriately sized.  FYI:  They make great
 outdoor shelters too.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:


 I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large
 however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I
 will try again (after deleting most of the original emails).  I have
 used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used
 to use it at their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd
 awful after they had used the box even once and even customers
 complained about the smell in the adoption center.  We had to go
 back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because
 people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was
 scooped on a regular basis.

 For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large
 Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats
 can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from
 peeing over the side.  We also use a low dust litter.  So far, our
 cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up.

 Edna


 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

 Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop.
 It got
 good online reviews.




 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle
 athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone
 used it
 before?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-10 Thread terrie
Bless You!
You feeding her Royal Canin Baby Cat is good for her. 
When I start weaning my kittens from the moms if they haven't already done so this is their first food. I give them both wet and dry food as much as they want at all times.
I highly recommend this this food as they have different stages for kittens, breeds, and differenthealth issuesfor kitties.

All fingers and paws are crossed here for good test results for your Cali kitty!

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 Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+From: Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.netDate: Sun, July 10, 2011 4:39 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgThank you guys for all the wonderful responses! I've been caught up withwork lately, and giving sweet Cali so much attention (And when my Joeydoesn't tackle me and claim mama time). When we took her to the second vet,they said her heart and lungs sounded good and clear. And Cali's temperaturehas already dropped back to normal. She didn't say anything about the soreon her tongue, but the sniffles and sneezes have gotten so much better intwo days also. She's on antibiotics to help clear that all up and she takesit like a trooper. She is such a different, happier little girl! We did theIFA test, should get the results in a few days. I know, might be a bit tooearly for it, but I wanted to really check.As for her food, she's eating Royal Canin Baby Cat Instinctive. I'm alreadygoing to have to go get her more. And we also feed her this gel twice a day.I can't remember what it's called right now, got it from the vet, issupposed to help her immune system. Oh! She's gained 3 oz in two days also!She's a pig. Haha.I'm glad I took her into a second vet. Having that second opinion helps, andthey didn't completely sugar coat everything. I know I'm going to getattached to her, already am. And how I'm looking at this is: if I have herfor 3 days or 17 years, I know I've made her life better, and she's mademine so much more wonderful.Now it's just the waiting game.___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-10 Thread MaiMaiPG
And she will enrich your life a thousand times more...they know  
when you are helping and they know..well, they just are them...

On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Jenny Orvis wrote:

Thank you guys for all the wonderful responses! I've been caught up  
with

work lately, and giving sweet Cali so much attention (And when my Joey
doesn't tackle me and claim mama time). When we took her to the  
second vet,
they said her heart and lungs sounded good and clear. And Cali's  
temperature
has already dropped back to normal. She didn't say anything about  
the sore
on her tongue, but the sniffles and sneezes have gotten so much  
better in
two days also. She's on antibiotics to help clear that all up and  
she takes
it like a trooper.  She is such a different, happier little girl! We  
did the
IFA test, should get the results in a few days. I know, might be a  
bit too

early for it, but I wanted to really check.

As for her food, she's eating Royal Canin Baby Cat Instinctive. I'm  
already
going to have to go get her more. And we also feed her this gel  
twice a day.

I can't remember what it's called right now, got it from the vet, is
supposed to help her immune system. Oh!  She's gained 3 oz in two  
days also!

She's a pig. Haha.

I'm glad I took her into a second vet. Having that second opinion  
helps, and

they didn't completely sugar coat everything. I know I'm going to get
attached to her, already am. And how I'm looking at this is: if I  
have her
for 3 days or 17 years, I know I've made her life better, and she's  
made

mine so much more wonderful.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter dangers

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
I have tried the chicken feed also and came up with the same pros and cons.  If 
we could just find a feed that was ground just a tad finer, it would be great.  
At our local elevator, they have hog feed but it is ground too fine and is a 
bit dusty epecially when Dee gets in the box.  She covers for an hour after she 
is done and raises a dust storm.  I didn't have problems with weevils.  You 
might try a local elevator/feed store if one is near you, the chick feed might 
be even cheaper.  I think I got mine for under $7.00 for 50 lbs.  And if it 
doesn't work for the litter box, put it out for the deer, birds and little 
creatures.  Just be sure it is a healthy distnce from the house or they will be 
inviting themselves in for anything else they can find.


 Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Yes, I've used Dumor brand Starter/Grower Chick Feed.  I get it
 from Tractor Supply Co., think it was $13.00 for 50lbs? last time I
 got it.  It's a bit of a hike to TSC, so I don't always use it.  Plus.
 my husband complains that it doesn't handle odor well enough.  Pros:
 1.price  2.low dust  3.biodegradable  4.doesn't come from strip
 mining.  5.safer.  Cons: 1.odor control  2.doesn't clump as hard as
 clay  3.doesn't sift as easily as clay  4.some people have problems
 with weevils in it, especially in summer.  Overall I like it,
 especially after paying 40-50 bucks for a much smaller bag of World's
 Best, which is pretty similar.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Beth N.
 
 On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  I've often wondered and worried about this chemical stuff in
  the clumping litter.  A friend of mine uses ground chicken corn.
  Have any of you tried this?  She says it's not only safer but
  much less expensive.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
Harley and Casey bat at the water oming down in their fountains, like they are 
playing with it.  That creates a puddle around the fountain.  The rest of the 
group just drinks water.  Harley also likes to play with the water whn I take a 
shower.  He tries to bite it as it comes down.  Also, Casey paws at the 
fountain like she was covering it, hiding it from the others.  She usually moes 
the whole thing about 2.  Have to watch it when I get up in the night or I 
stumble over it since it is in the bathroom.  Other one is in the kitchen.  For 
a while, I thought the units were leaking until I saw her doing it.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I us Totes too. Our shelter has them in the Frat House room where their are 
 a bunch of boys who make a mess. We had to put a tray under their water bowls 
 too because they always had water all over the floor.
 Beth
 
 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Totes are wonderful.  I leave the top off and the boys are young  
 enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are  
 wonderful too.  I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who,  
 late in life, had issues getting positioned.  Besides the totes are a  
 lot cheaper and more appropriately sized.  FYI:  They make great  
 outdoor shelters too.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:
 
 
  I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large  
  however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I  
  will try again (after deleting most of the original emails).  I have  
  used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used  
  to use it at their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd  
  awful after they had used the box even once and even customers  
  complained about the smell in the adoption center.  We had to go  
  back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because  
  people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was  
  scooped on a regular basis.
 
  For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large  
  Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats  
  can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from  
  peeing over the side.  We also use a low dust litter.  So far, our  
  cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up.
 
  Edna
 
 
  Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
  Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop.  
  It got
  good online reviews.
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle  
  athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone  
  used it
  before?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
Yes, and crickets also.  Annie killed one and this long worm thing crawled out 
of it's body.  I took it to the vet and he said it was a wire worm.  Disgusting 
looking thing, course most parisites are.  I try to feed them just before they 
go out and it seems to cut down on the desire to eat their prey.  I don't 
know about lizards and frogs.  We chase them too.  Not a lizard on our property 
that still has a tail.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Be careful. They can get parasites from some bugs such as moths
 
 molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 My cats will eat bugs after they are done chasing and torturing them.  I 
 assumed it was because their instinct tells them to devour their prey.  It's 
 disgusting.  I have to turn away.
 
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 From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
 Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:33 pm
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 On the lighter side, I have seen them eat grasshppers and crickets.  That I 
 don't see much reason for.  They get their protein from their food and it 
 doesn't have scratchy legs to deal with.
 
 
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  Why Do Cats Eat Grass? 
  
  
  By Kathy Blumenstock, Animal Planet
  
  How often have you seen your cat happily chewing on blades of fresh green
  grass, and wondered why? You dish up the choicest cat food and offer 
  gourmet
  treats, yet given the chance, Kitty chows down on the lawn as if she's a
  snacking racehorse. But there's little need to fret over the appeal of the
  feline salad bar, even when she throws it all up.
  
  Grazing in the Grass
  
  The juices in grass contain folic acid, a vitamin essential to a cat's
  well-being. Folic acid, also present in the mother cat's milk, aids the
  production of oxygen in the cat's bloodstream. A folic acid deficiency may
  lead to anemia, and a young cat's growth can be stunted if she doesn't get
  enough of it. Do cats instinctively know they're deficient in folic acid 
  and
  nibble grass to right the situation? Even experts can only guess. For a cat
  who never goes outdoors, folic acid supplements are available, to be added
  to your cat's food. Your vet can advise whether your cat can benefit from
  these.
  
  That Laxative Appeal
  
  Since cats themselves can't say, experts theorize that cats eat grass as a
  natural laxative. It may add fiber and bulk to their diet, helping them 
  pass
  worms or fur through their intestinal tract. If broader-leafed varieties
  offer a laxative effect, thinner-leafed grass induces cats to vomit. But
  veterinarians stop short of declaring grass necessary. It may assist in
  clearing things out, but healthy cats are able to process and pass matter
  out without this help. Some experts believe cats eat grass to settle their
  stomachs, much as humans pop an antacid tablet. Others say cats simply like
  the texture and taste of grass, no matter what its properties do for their
  insides.
  
  Heave-Ho
  
  After munching away on grass, a short time later, cats inevitably upchuck
  those greens. Not because they're gagging on the veggie flavor. It's 
  because
  cats' systems do not have the correct enzymes to digest plant matter. By
  regurgitating grass, the cat also expels other indigestible items she may
  have eaten - which could include fur balls from grooming, or feathers and
  bones from any prey she has consumed. Clearing her digestive tract this way
  is healthy for the cat. It alleviates any feeling of discomfort, even if 
  the
  process, and its end-products, may repulse her owner. So don't punish your
  cat for upchucking!
  
  Healthy Habit or Dangerous Delicacy?
  
  While eating grass may seem unappealing to you, many cats love it and it's
  not generally harmful to them. They rarely eat more than occasional small
  amounts, but if yours eats it daily or in large amounts, that could 
  indicate
  intestinal distress that should be addressed by your vet. If your cat is an
  indoor-outdoor pet, supervise her grazing when you take her outside. Keep
  her away from grass or plants that have been chemically treated and always
  use pet-friendly lawn treatment or fertilizers. If your cat is outside most
  of the time, she could ingest toxic, pesticide-tainted grass - another good
  reason to keep your cat indoors
  http://www.care2.com/greenliving/bringing-an-outdoor-cat-inside.html .
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chick feed for litter

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
That would work for the odor.  Glad you thought of it.

 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Big 12 pound bags of soda are available at WalMarts/Sams etc---often  
 with the swimming pool supplies.  Usually about $6.00.
 On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Lorrie wrote:
 
  Thanks for the info, Beth.  We have a Tractor Supply about 12 miles
  away, and tho we don't go there often, I want to try this chick feed.
  We live in a very cool climate, so maybe we won't get the weevils or
  sour smell that sometimes comes from wet corn.  I scoop frequently
  too which should help.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 07-09, Beth Noren wrote:
  Yes, I've used Dumor brand Starter/Grower Chick Feed.  I get it
  from Tractor Supply Co., think it was $13.00 for 50lbs? last time I
  got it.  It's a bit of a hike to TSC, so I don't always use it.   
  Plus.
  my husband complains that it doesn't handle odor well enough.  Pros:
  1.price  2.low dust  3.biodegradable  4.doesn't come from strip
  mining.  5.safer.  Cons: 1.odor control  2.doesn't clump as hard as
  clay  3.doesn't sift as easily as clay  4.some people have problems
  with weevils in it, especially in summer.  Overall I like it,
  especially after paying 40-50 bucks for a much smaller bag of World's
  Best, which is pretty similar.
 
  Hope this helps,
  Beth N.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Great Topic: Husbands and cats

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
That line about feeling like a pretzel rings a bell!  Jut hope you don't have 
to get out of bed fast to go to the bathroom!  Lil Bit and Casey scold me if I 
disturb them in the night.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I had to erase a lot on this thread because it came back as too much for the 
 20 KB limit on this list!

 

Thank you for sharing this touching story!

I know that once anyone, who claims NOT to be a cat person, is exposed to cats, 
they become almost like born-again “anything” – much more dedicated than 
someone who has always been like it.

My husband never grew up with pets because his parents always moved, left him 
and his sister in boarding schools – father was a career diplomat.

When we married, we immediately got a cat, then a dog…and so it goes!

 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Great Topic: Husbands and cats

 

Also would like to add he did kiss, pacify the cats/kittens, give special kitty 
treats, and baby talk to them. When it was bedtime for him he would ask me to 
move the cats from his side of the bed or he would sleep on my side so he 
wouldn't disturb the kitties. It was like this on the living room furniture as 
well. Husband would sit elsewhere wouldn't move them. If he had something on 
his dinner plate he would share it with the kitties too.

I used to tease him about this. Where as myself I would move the kitties so I 
could sit or lay in bed. I knew they would come back because in the mornings I 
feel like a pretzel when I woke up.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Great Topic: Husbands and cats

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
My father was not a cat person, but when he became very ill and needed me 
sometimes thru the night he would ring a glass bell we kept by his bed.  
Snuggles went to his room about 3 months before he passed and would not leave 
his bed.  He stayed on the foot and when father rang the bell, he would come 
into my room to get me.  He would wake me if I had not heard the bell and if I 
had, he would walk in front of me and turn ever so often and meow as if to say 
hurry.  The Sunday morning father passed, Snug left his room afterwards and 
never went back.  He passed the next week.  It was as if he had a mission, it 
was completed and now he could go also.  They do know, even better than we do 
when it is time for someone to leave.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
QUESTION:  Why do they drag the bowls around?  Are they trying to hide it from 
the others.  Is it a tihng they inherited from wild ancestors?  Harley does not 
hide food , but his sister Dee does.  She will drag towels off the towel bar, 
rugs or whatever is handy to cover the food bowl when she is done eating.  I 
have had them both since they were 3 months and before that they were inside 
cats with their previous owner.  They were never wild and forced to hide their 
food from others.  Still she hides it.  I think Harley is related to Bengal 
tigers as he loves the water.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I've been using trays under the water bowls for years - sometimes the water
 bowls are dragged clear across a large roomI also place bowls with dry
 food into larger flat dishes or trays!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:34 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
 I us Totes too. Our shelter has them in the Frat House room where their
 are a bunch of boys who make a mess. We had to put a tray under their water
 bowls too because they always had water all over the floor.
 Beth
 
 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Totes are wonderful.  I leave the top off and the boys are young  
 enough to jump in the 18 gallon totes and the lower larger ones are  
 wonderful too.  I figured this out when I had a wonderful boy who,  
 late in life, had issues getting positioned.  Besides the totes are a  
 lot cheaper and more appropriately sized.  FYI:  They make great  
 outdoor shelters too.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:
 
 
  I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large  
  however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I  
  will try again (after deleting most of the original emails).  I have  
  used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used  
  to use it at their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd  
  awful after they had used the box even once and even customers  
  complained about the smell in the adoption center.  We had to go  
  back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because  
  people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was  
  scooped on a regular basis.
 
  For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large  
  Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats  
  can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from  
  peeing over the side.  We also use a low dust litter.  So far, our  
  cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up.
 
  Edna
 
 
  Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
  Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop.  
  It got
  good online reviews.
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle  
  athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone  
  used it
  before?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
That and if it gets a bt humid like it has been around here the last couple of 
years, it gets hard all over, even in the storage bucket.  Did not like it at 
all.  World's Best may be a bit pricey, but it last a long tim if you scoop 2 
times a day and kills the odor, clumps good and most of all, all my cats like 
it.  That is the most important part because if they do not like it, they will 
go outside of the box every time.

 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I tried Sweat Scoop once. It was like cement when they peed  it dried. I 
 literally had to take a hammer to get it off the bottom of the littr pan.
 Beth
 
 Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got
 good online reviews.
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it
  before?
 
  I'd be interested in trying the ExquisiCat, but no stores sell it in my
  town.
 
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  Same here - I might try it on a very small group.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
  I've seen that brand and have always wondered how cats like it. But I
  won't
  switch unless they tell me they want a change, lol!
 
  good to know, thanks for sharing!
  - Original Message -
  From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
 
   Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive.
   Exquisicat Natural Wheat.  I'm transitioning to this
  
   I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the
   switch well.  It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box
   odors.
  
   Maybe give this a try.  It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop.
  
   =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
   furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi
   =^..^=
- Original Message -
From: Cindy McHughmailto:ci...@furangels.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
  
  
Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just
checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an
ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All
Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus
   and
haven't opened/tried it yet.
  
I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to
   use
something by Arm  Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was
   getting
so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping
   clay -
not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using
  regular
litter and baking soda.
  
Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to
  others
   I
know who are using the clumping litter.
  
Cindy
  
  
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Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
  
  
 Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg!

 The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust
   Most

 Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning

 Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to
   litter.
 Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline
 friends
 including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even
   lung
 cancer.

 Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with
 absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat
   digs
 in
 the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs
  and
   can
 wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in
   jeopardy.
 With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its
   lungs.
 Damage can occur in just a short period of time.

 Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is
  one
   of
 the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to
   make
 their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural
  clay
 ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not
   always
 safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and
  forms
   

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
There are days that I swear I am going to kill at least one of them and then 5 
minutes later they jump on my lap, curl up and start purring so confident that 
I love them and they are safe in my lap.  What are you going to do?  They ahve 
us wrapped around their paws and they know it and I guess we don't mind because 
we keep coming back for more.


 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
 And she will enrich your life a thousand times more...they know  
 when you are helping and they know..well, they just are them...
 On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Jenny Orvis wrote:
 
  Thank you guys for all the wonderful responses! I've been caught up  
  with
  work lately, and giving sweet Cali so much attention (And when my Joey
  doesn't tackle me and claim mama time). When we took her to the  
  second vet,
  they said her heart and lungs sounded good and clear. And Cali's  
  temperature
  has already dropped back to normal. She didn't say anything about  
  the sore
  on her tongue, but the sniffles and sneezes have gotten so much  
  better in
  two days also. She's on antibiotics to help clear that all up and  
  she takes
  it like a trooper.  She is such a different, happier little girl! We  
  did the
  IFA test, should get the results in a few days. I know, might be a  
  bit too
  early for it, but I wanted to really check.
 
  As for her food, she's eating Royal Canin Baby Cat Instinctive. I'm  
  already
  going to have to go get her more. And we also feed her this gel  
  twice a day.
  I can't remember what it's called right now, got it from the vet, is
  supposed to help her immune system. Oh!  She's gained 3 oz in two  
  days also!
  She's a pig. Haha.
 
  I'm glad I took her into a second vet. Having that second opinion  
  helps, and
  they didn't completely sugar coat everything. I know I'm going to get
  attached to her, already am. And how I'm looking at this is: if I  
  have her
  for 3 days or 17 years, I know I've made her life better, and she's  
  made
  mine so much more wonderful.
 
  Now it's just the waiting game.
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Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-10 Thread dlgegg
Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you are giving them.  Unlike 
dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds were in it.  Medicating 
Casey is life threatening, I almost need to make a reservation at the ER for a 
couple of pints of blood for me.  She bites, scratches, screams and like you 
said, we are both so worn out, frustrated that it almost seems to do more harm 
than good.  If she needs meds, we head to the vet.  More hands to hld her down. 
 I have gotten a muzzle, but that makes her so angry that she won't have 
anything to do with me for at least a couple of hours.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
 In-Reply-To: 
 CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com
 
 Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking 
 care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin.
 You are very kind.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:
  Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
  Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
  obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
   She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
  before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.
  
  I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
   has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
  ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.
  
  Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
  anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
  any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
  storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
  breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
  quality of whatever life she has
  
  Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.
  
  kat
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?

2011-07-10 Thread molveywda
LOL - I can just see all the poor lizards running around without tails.

Geez, didn't know they could get parasites from moths or crickets.  Dang.  
Beth, what can they get from moths?

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Date: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 11:44 pm
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Yes, and crickets also.  Annie killed one and this long worm thing crawled out 
of it's body.  I took it to the vet and he said it was a wire worm.  Disgusting 
looking thing, course most parisites are.  I try to feed them just before they 
go out and it seems to cut down on the desire to eat their prey.  I don't 
know about lizards and frogs.  We chase them too.  Not a lizard on our property 
that still has a tail.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Be careful. They can get parasites from some bugs such as moths
 
 molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 My cats will eat bugs after they are done chasing and torturing them.  I 
 assumed it was because their instinct tells them to devour their prey.  It's 
 disgusting.  I have to turn away.
 
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 From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
 Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:33 pm
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 On the lighter side, I have seen them eat grasshppers and crickets.  That I 
 don't see much reason for.  They get their protein from their food and it 
 doesn't have scratchy legs to deal with.
 
 
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 
  
  Why Do Cats Eat Grass? 
  
  
  By Kathy Blumenstock, Animal Planet
  
  How often have you seen your cat happily chewing on blades of fresh green
  grass, and wondered why? You dish up the choicest cat food and offer 
  gourmet
  treats, yet given the chance, Kitty chows down on the lawn as if she's a
  snacking racehorse. But there's little need to fret over the appeal of the
  feline salad bar, even when she throws it all up.
  
  Grazing in the Grass
  
  The juices in grass contain folic acid, a vitamin essential to a cat's
  well-being. Folic acid, also present in the mother cat's milk, aids the
  production of oxygen in the cat's bloodstream. A folic acid deficiency may
  lead to anemia, and a young cat's growth can be stunted if she doesn't get
  enough of it. Do cats instinctively know they're deficient in folic acid 
  and
  nibble grass to right the situation? Even experts can only guess. For a cat
  who never goes outdoors, folic acid supplements are available, to be added
  to your cat's food. Your vet can advise whether your cat can benefit from
  these.
  
  That Laxative Appeal
  
  Since cats themselves can't say, experts theorize that cats eat grass as a
  natural laxative. It may add fiber and bulk to their diet, helping them 
  pass
  worms or fur through their intestinal tract. If broader-leafed varieties
  offer a laxative effect, thinner-leafed grass induces cats to vomit. But
  veterinarians stop short of declaring grass necessary. It may assist in
  clearing things out, but healthy cats are able to process and pass matter
  out without this help. Some experts believe cats eat grass to settle their
  stomachs, much as humans pop an antacid tablet. Others say cats simply like
  the texture and taste of grass, no matter what its properties do for their
  insides.
  
  Heave-Ho
  
  After munching away on grass, a short time later, cats inevitably upchuck
  those greens. Not because they're gagging on the veggie flavor. It's 
  because
  cats' systems do not have the correct enzymes to digest plant matter. By
  regurgitating grass, the cat also expels other indigestible items she may
  have eaten - which could include fur balls from grooming, or feathers and

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