Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread Natalie
I'm sorry you feel this way - but I have NEVER met any rescuers who were, as
you say, cut-throat on anything other than their total dedication for
standing up for the helpless who are abused in more ways than we can
imagine, although many of us believe that we have seen it all. If they are
anything close to that, at times, it would be perfectly understandable after
being exposed to this work day after day, 24/7, for years. I cringe every
time the telephone rings because I know that most of the time it will start
with I've got this cat, and the rest will be absolute garbage..
Natalie 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

Yes, I am.  When I originally came to this list, it was because I had a
kitten who tested light pos (I have since learned there is no such thing)
and SR was giving me no support whatsoever so I came here for support
instead.   Everyone here wanted to know who the rescue was but I didn't tell
them because I think telling names of rescues is tacky.  Everyone here was
also incredibly supportive when the horror that was visited on myself and my
personal and rescued cats came.  I have been really glad to have this list
over the years.  I love doing rescue but I've learned that other rescuers
tend to be cutthroat and just plain mean to other people.  I think if we
were all nicer to other people and to animals this world would be a much
better place.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:


 Kelley,

 Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue?


  From: moonv...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
  I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food.
 
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
   We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted
and/or
   sick
   cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate
 people
   who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then
 give
   them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside
 to
   fend for themselves!
   Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example:
  
   Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD
   A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her
pet
   supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She
is
   about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED.
 Her
   coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to
 stay
   in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like
 to
   help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at
 this
   time.
  
   There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your
   animal.
   My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3
cats
   because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats
 into
   our
   home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy
 cat
   food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes,
 butI
   need it.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
   Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  
   Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in
Texas,
   giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point
   (no,
   I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio
 who
   appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL
 and
   all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion.
  
   I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath
 the
   and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry
 to
   get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are
not
 in
   rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can
   never
   be forgotten.
  
   As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying
 there is
   no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove
   otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise
 and I
   have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I
 have
   not
   gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and
 no-kill
   begins with NO BIRTH.
  
   Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting
 off
   topic.
  
   Edna Taylor
   Texas Siamese Rescue
  
  
  
From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread Lorrie
Peggy,  Shelter workers hear so many phoney reasons why people
have brought in animals that they get very cynical and bitter.
In your case you were helping the Husky, but they didn't know that.

Lorrie


 On 08-05, Peggy Verdonck wrote: 

I totally agree, but another side of
 the story...I got treated VERY bad by shelter personnel because I
 brought in a stray husky I found on the side of the road! I knew
 they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because I would
 never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like
 that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least
 get off the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again!
 Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog
 in danger!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

2011-08-06 Thread Lorrie
I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  

Lorrie

On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
 nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.   




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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread Lorrie
On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote:

 I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking
 to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and
 she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child.

What a crock that is.  I have three grown children, and always had
cats.  None of them smothered my babies. 



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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread Lorrie
  On 08-05, Edna Taylor wrote:

 I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth
 is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and
 for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. 

So true. They give up their pets for no valid reason at all.
I've heard everything. We are having a baby or the cat
leaves fur on my furniture, or we are moving and the house is being
staged.  Then there is the very worn out excuse about someone being
allergic.  If I hear this one more time I think I'll deck the person
who tells me this.  True some people are genuinely allergic, but this
is also the most often used excuse to dump a pet.  I had one man tell
me he had a cousin who came to visit and she was allergic. I asked
how often this cousin came and he told me every couple of years
for a weekend!  

Sadly, I've found very few people think of a cat or dog as a lifetime
commitment. Instead they are just things to be disposed of when
they get sick, or grow up, or when you move!

Lorrie 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

2011-08-06 Thread Natalie
I had an old woman call me a few years ago; she spends winters in FL.  She
wanted me to take an old cat as a trade-in for a kitten to be a good
mouser in her basement while she was away.
Last year, when our vet's office was opened in the morning (on a major busy
road), there was an open box by the front door with 4 5-6 wk old kittens,
and the mother cat was sitting next to that box!!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  

Lorrie

On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
 nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.   




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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
Then, you could live in the country where many (especially men) have the 
attitude that if it isn't a money making crop, mow it.  If I can't sell it , 
get rid of it.  Most of the time that means shooting the critter.  They make 
good practice targets just before hunting season.  I get on my soapbox and have 
earned the name crazy cat lady.


 Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: 
 
 I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my 
 cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email.  As a matter of fact, 
 got one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
 outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult 
 to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the 
 types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
 spayed/neutered.  Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many 
 people like that?  you bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
  
 
  From: moonv...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
  judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
  Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
  always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
  something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
  I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
  rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
  whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
  have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
  baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
  form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
  and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
  pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
  delivered back to us safely.
  
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  
   On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
  
I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
throw-away-society!
   
   __-
  
   Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
   rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
   all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
   nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
   ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
I have been arond cats and dogs all my life and have never heard of a child 
being smothered.  Lil Bit has to lay on my shoulder, touching bare skin and her 
whiskers tickle but that is all.  Ask her to give you 1 verified instance of a 
cat smothering a child.  She can't find one.  The cat is 12 and probably needs 
extra care and she does not want to take care of it anymore.
 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote:
 
  I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking
  to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and
  she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child.
 
 What a crock that is.  I have three grown children, and always had
 cats.  None of them smothered my babies. 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
To many, they are nothing more than a worn out pair of shoes.  Lots of people 
in the country let their animals run loose and do not get them spayed/neutered 
because it costs too much.  All they would have to do is do without beer and 
cigarettes and soda and all junk food for a month.
 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
   On 08-05, Edna Taylor wrote:
 
  I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth
  is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and
  for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. 
 
 So true. They give up their pets for no valid reason at all.
 I've heard everything. We are having a baby or the cat
 leaves fur on my furniture, or we are moving and the house is being
 staged.  Then there is the very worn out excuse about someone being
 allergic.  If I hear this one more time I think I'll deck the person
 who tells me this.  True some people are genuinely allergic, but this
 is also the most often used excuse to dump a pet.  I had one man tell
 me he had a cousin who came to visit and she was allergic. I asked
 how often this cousin came and he told me every couple of years
 for a weekend!  
 
 Sadly, I've found very few people think of a cat or dog as a lifetime
 commitment. Instead they are just things to be disposed of when
 they get sick, or grow up, or when you move!
 
 Lorrie 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS BASED ON 
THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT.  WE THROW AWAY 
CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR 
ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE CROSSING 
THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY IN THE GRASS  ON THE SIDE THEY WERE HEADING TO.  I 
EVEN STOPPED ON MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE ROAD (HE WAS SO 
LONG I COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are?
 They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are
 strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with
 a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that?  What kind of horrible race are
 we?  Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is
 abandoned...it's a throw-away-society!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton
 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:53 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 
 The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
 apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
 to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
 the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
 They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
 baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
 here.
 
 I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
 give Nibbles vaccinations.
 I'll let you know what the vet says.
 Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
 to do.
 
 On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson
 longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
 
  Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
  shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
  effective.
 
  It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
  against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
 keep
  her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
 has
  had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
  current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
 
  I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
  this forum, but we are not experts :)
 
  Keep us posted.
 
  Thanks,
  L
  - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 
 
   We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
  cats.
  Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
 
  I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
  make
  sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
  shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
  Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
 
  Here's the situation:
 
  *Peaches* (New Cat)
  Age: 4.5 yr
  Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
  vaccination.
  Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd
  feline
  leukemia in 2009.
  She also had a vaccination in 2010
 
  I have 3 other cats:
  All cats will stay indoors!
 
  *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
  Age: 2.5
  Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
  shot.
  Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors  didn't think that I would
 rescue
  a
  cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
  *However, I rescued another cat.*
  Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
 it
  too late??
 
  *Littlebit*
  Age: 11
  Current Feline Leukemia vacc
 
  *Lacy*
  Age: 6 months
  Current Feline Leukemia vacc
 
  What do you think I should do???
  Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
 it
  too late??
  Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
I wish I could win a sweepstakes, then I could buy about 500 acres and build 
barns for all my rescues to live in.  Fenced in of course, because I would have 
dogs, cats, horses, burros, whatever.  Then, I woul go around and gather up all 
the strays and neuter/spay and let them enjoy life.  
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I had an old woman call me a few years ago; she spends winters in FL.  She
 wanted me to take an old cat as a trade-in for a kitten to be a good
 mouser in her basement while she was away.
 Last year, when our vet's office was opened in the morning (on a major busy
 road), there was an open box by the front door with 4 5-6 wk old kittens,
 and the mother cat was sitting next to that box!!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:10 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people
 
 I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
 individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
 because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
 It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
 pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
 fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
 boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
 there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
  I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
  nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.   
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

2011-08-06 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA
me too. Most rescuers I don't get along with.

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From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 7:09 AM


I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  

Lorrie

On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
 nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.   




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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA
I agree. I take the flys out of my outside  cat's drinking water to save them.

--- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 11:49 AM


tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS BASED ON 
THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT.  WE THROW AWAY 
CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR 
ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE CROSSING 
THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY IN THE GRASS  ON THE SIDE THEY WERE HEADING TO.  I 
EVEN STOPPED ON MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE ROAD (HE WAS SO 
LONG I COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are?
 They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are
 strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with
 a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that?  What kind of horrible race are
 we?  Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is
 abandoned...it's a throw-away-society!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton
 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:53 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 
 The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
 apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
 to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
 the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
 They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
 baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
 here.
 
 I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
 give Nibbles vaccinations.
 I'll let you know what the vet says.
 Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
 to do.
 
 On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson
 longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
 
  Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
  shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
  effective.
 
  It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
  against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
 keep
  her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
 has
  had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
  current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
 
  I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
  this forum, but we are not experts :)
 
  Keep us posted.
 
  Thanks,
  L
  - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 
 
   We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
  cats.
  Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
 
  I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
  make
  sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
  shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
  Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
 
  Here's the situation:
 
  *Peaches* (New Cat)
  Age: 4.5 yr
  Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
  vaccination.
  Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd
  feline
  leukemia in 2009.
  She also had a vaccination in 2010
 
  I have 3 other cats:
  All cats will stay indoors!
 
  *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
  Age: 2.5
  Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
  shot.
  Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors  didn't think that I would
 rescue
  a
  cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
  *However, I rescued another cat.*
  Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
 it
  too late??
 
  *Littlebit*
  Age: 11
  Current Feline Leukemia vacc
 
  *Lacy*
  Age: 6 months
  Current Feline Leukemia vacc
 
  What do you think I should do???
  Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
 it
  too late??
  Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
We have a no kill shelter here in Lincoln County and the animal control 
officers are finally getting the message that shooting them or sticking their 
noses in the exhaust of a car is not the answer.  They bring them to PALS.  
Problem is, PALS is strictly volunteer  and contributions only.  They get no 
help from anywhere so they do not have enough room for all that come in.  Many 
people who are loosing their jobs and homes cannot afford to feed or care for 
them, have to move into rented house that does not allow animals (they do allow 
children who can in many cases be more destructive than animals), so they bring 
them to PALS.  We are having a drive for money for food, blankets, meds and 
toys.  They are very careful about who gets their animals, you have to go there 
and be interviewed before you can adopt.  They want to be sure you will care 
for them and can afford a pet.  What really bugs me is those who give away 
kittens and puppies at Walmart, etc.  They don't know who is taking them and 
why, just want to get rid of them and go home.  Some people will love them, but 
many just give in to the kids and then when no one wants to take care of them, 
they dump them.Like Easter chicks and bunnies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
These days, they don't even try to adopt out their children, they beat them and 
then say they fell out of the high chair.  Or they get drunk and don't realize 
the infant fell into the pool.  Many of tese people whould be FIXED SO THEY 
CANNOT BREED UP CHILDREN THEY DON'T REALLY WANT.  tHEY DO NOT DESERVE A CHILD.


 D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 KIDS?   it is called child abuse...happens all the time..Grandmother in 
 Pheonix locked granddaughter in  locker.because she stole a popcycle from 
 the frig.The girls mother left her with the grandmother because 
 GRANDMOTHER was abusive.

SPAY AND NEUTER...

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 3:56 PM


I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to 
the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get 
kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger or realize 
that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just grew up. It makes you want 
to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to 
ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or 
potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry 
this is a ruff subject for me. 


From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it hard 
to walk and drive a car without a spine?


 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
 kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
 hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
 happened to be orange  white :)
 
 This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
 agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
 other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
 tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
 how will he treat her? Geez!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 
 
 I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my 
 cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, 
 got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
 outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult 
 to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
 types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
 spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
 people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
 
 
  From: moonv...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
  In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
  and
  judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
  Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
  always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
  something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
  I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
  rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
  whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
  adopters
  have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
  baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
  form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
  do)
  and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
  pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
  delivered back to us safely.
 
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
   On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
  
I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
bUT ONCE i GET THE ANIMAL IN MY HANDS, I USUALLY GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MY MIND
 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the 
 animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need 
 to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the 
 road.  Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700
  From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals 
  to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out 
  there get kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger 
  or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just grew up. It 
  makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but 
  makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because 
  they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was 
  just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. 
  
  
  From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  
  YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it 
  hard to walk and drive a car without a spine?
  
  
   Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
   From: longhornf...@verizon.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
   That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
   kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went 
   like 
   hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
   happened to be orange  white :)
   
   This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her 
   style. I 
   agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having 
   any 
   other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
   tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
   how will he treat her? Geez!
   - Original Message - 
   From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
   
   
   I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump 
   my 
   cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of 
   fact, 
   got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
   outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add 
   insult 
   to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
   types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
   be 
   spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
   people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
   
   
From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
and
judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc 
etc.
I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
adopters
have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on 
a
form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
do)
and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) 
and
delivered back to us safely.
   
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com 
wrote:
   
 On 08-04, Natalie wrote:

  I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
  people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
  and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
  

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
My guys go for mice, moles and such.  I just wish they would get more moles.  I 
cannot even mow my lawn without stepping into a run and falling or the wheels 
get stuck.  Most of the birds around our house are too fast for them.  We also 
have tailess lizards and sinks.

 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 I like that too.  However my husband just called to tell me one of our cats 
 just brought in a bird (we have a cat fence in our backyard) and that the 
 bird is trapped in my computer stand.  Makes me wonder why I love those 
 little bloodthirsty killers.
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:01:19 -0700
  From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
   i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB!
  
  
  From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the 
  truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, 
  what amounts to really stupid reasons.  They also leave them in abandoned, 
  foreclosed homes to starve to death.  Does this mean that we are not 
  supportive and don't care?  No, it means many of us are in rescue and our 
  homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need 
  to vent.  Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, 
  it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB 
  profile and I copied:
  
  My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may 
  eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, 
  I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are 
  good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They 
  are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family.
  
  
  
  
   From: moonv...@gmail.com
   Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
   Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me
   sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread Natalie
That's exactly how to do it - be nice and accommodating while biting your 
tongue really hard, get the anima(s) - and then POW!  Let 'em have it between 
the eyes! But it just falls on deaf ears, so its purpose is probably more 
therapeutic for us to vent than to make some lasting impression on those 
people, who are probably just plain incorrigible! Maybe they're not even worth 
getting ourselves into a snit and raise our BP!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

bUT ONCE i GET THE ANIMAL IN MY HANDS, I USUALLY GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MY MIND
 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the 
 animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need 
 to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the 
 road.  Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700
  From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals 
  to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out 
  there get kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger 
  or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just grew up. It 
  makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but 
  makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because 
  they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was 
  just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. 
  
  
  From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  
  YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it 
  hard to walk and drive a car without a spine?
  
  
   Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
   From: longhornf...@verizon.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
   That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
   kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went 
   like 
   hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
   happened to be orange  white :)
   
   This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her 
   style. I 
   agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having 
   any 
   other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
   tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
   how will he treat her? Geez!
   - Original Message - 
   From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
   
   
   I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump 
   my 
   cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of 
   fact, 
   got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
   outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add 
   insult 
   to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
   types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
   be 
   spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
   people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
   
   
From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
and
judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc 
etc.
I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
adopters
have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
I have asked my friends ad vet to tell me if thy think I am getting out of 
control and hoarding.  It is so easy to take them in, you want to help them, 
but you have to stop and ask yourself if you can afford to feed and give them 
proper care.  I know 7 is my limit, csts over $80.00 a month for food and 
litter.  May have to cut down on my food (wouldn't hurt me, need to loose a few 
pounds).  I have the basic DISH package - $24.99 that I started with 3 years 
ago.  That gives me the news, Tom  Jerry and the old shows that I want to 
watch, that is enough for me.  Why do people need 250 channels, they can't 
possibly watch them all?  My babies come first.  I have a big Saffari van, can 
take the seats out for my babies and we will just camp out.
 Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does 
 that? She DOES need a neuter!


From: D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this 
weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in  8 
dogs..

 

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From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM


That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten 
for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I 
guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be 
orange  white :)

This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how 
will he treat her? Geez!
- Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat 
because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email.  As a matter of fact, got 
one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside 
in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, 
she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the types of people 
that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered.  
Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many people like that?  you 
bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(


 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
 judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
 Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
 always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
 something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
 I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
 rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
 whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
 have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
 baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
 form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
 and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
 pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
 delivered back to us safely.
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
 
   I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
   people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
   and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
   to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
   do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
   dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
   throw-away-society!
  
  __-
 
  Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
  rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
  all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
  nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
  ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
Usually when a cat pees out of the box, their is a reason.  Sometimes it could 
be emotional.  Did you move?  New member of the family, Even new furniture or a 
new furniture arrangement can freak them out.  Nitnoy pees i unexpected places 
because another cat rounds the corner when she does and it frigthens her.  She 
was chased by a raccoon that bit her tail off, leaving a 4 stump.She also 
will wait under or behind something and pounce on them, hissing and screaming 
like crazy.  Like she wants to get them before they get her.  She is getting 
better, but it has only  been a year so I get Nature's Mircle in the economy 
size and mop it up.  You don't throw a child away when they do something wrong 
do you?
 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
 nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.We recently had a cat in our
 program who was being advertised on Craigslist because she kept peeing
 outside the box.  Everyone CANNOT keep a cat that keeps peeing outside the
 box.  Everyone is not like us.  Yes, they tried different diets, tests for
 uri, tests for kidney function, different litters and different litter
 boxes.  Nothing worked.  The original rescue refused to take the cat back,
  kept flagging the CL ads - AND SAID TO HAVE THE CAT PUT DOWN BECAUSE NO ONE
 WANTS A CAT WHO PEES ON THE FLOOR.  These people loved the cat and did not
 want to take her to a shelter.  I stepped in and lent them a condo to keep
 her in so she wouldn't mess the floor while I went so far as to track down
 the original breeder of the cat (in California) .  However we were lucky
 enough to find a foster in Dallas who specializes in cats with pee problems
 who took her in.  I have had a cat returned twice now who pees outside the
 box, again the adopters have tried EVERYTHING and really wanted to keep her.
 
 
 I have seen people in my area spend FIVE YEARS spending much of their time
 running a rescue out of business instead of saving lives because they did
 not like the way they did rescue.  Now there is another large rescue people
 hate because they do not like the way they do rescue and instead of saving
 animals actually go around to the various adoption sites pretending to be
 potential adopters and grilling the volunteers.  I am so sick of rescue
 attitudes I could just scream.  Some of the nastiest, vilest people I have
 ever met have been in rescue - and to be fair some of the kindest as well.
 Cruelty to humans is still cruelty.
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
  too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
  glasses.  While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
  uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
  disposable things.
 
  Lorrie
 
On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 
   Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list.  It
   makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
You get very cynical by the time you have heard the I found this dog/cat.  So 
many people use that excuse.  When someone who really wants te best for the 
animal comes in, maybe they are the 10th person that day to say that so they 
get blasted.  They are the last straw that broke the camel's back.


 Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by
 shelter personnel  because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of
 the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because
 I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like
 that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off
 the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again!
 Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in
 danger!
 
 On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
  too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
  glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
  uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
  disposable things.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 
  Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It
  makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
These days, children are disposable.  Just look at all the stories on TV about 
people who lee their children in a hot car so they can go to a restaurant and 
enjoy a nice meal.  Actually had this happen in St. Louis recently.  They went 
into Pasta House.  Someone noticed the children in the car (one of those 102 
degree days) and got a policeman to break into the car and and get them out.  
Parents arrested on child endangerment.


 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
 too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
 glasses.  While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
 uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
 disposable things.
 
 Lorrie
 
   On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 
  Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list.  It
  makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
For someone like you, it does not decrease their value, but many take them on a 
whim and then realize they have to clean boxes, feed them and take them to the 
vet.  Bottom line, it is easier to just dump them or give them to someone else 
to deal with and then they dn't want them either.


 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
 value them any less.  I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is
 not enough money in the world to make me give her up.Giving away cats
 and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
 homes for more animals.
 
 Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd?  It talks a lot about this
 stuff.  I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs
  this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght
  in  8 dogs..
 
 
 
  --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 
  From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM
 
 
  That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a
  kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like
  hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who
  happened to be orange  white :)
 
  This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style.
  I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any
  other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have
  tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then
  how will he treat her? Geez!
  - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 
 
  I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my
  cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email.  As a matter of fact,
  got one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat
  outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult
  to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the
  types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be
  spayed/neutered.  Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many
  people like that?  you bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
 
 
   From: moonv...@gmail.com
   Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
   In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel
  and
   judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
   Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
   always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
   something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
   I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
   rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
   whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my
  adopters
   have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
   baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
   form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will
  do)
   and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
   pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
   delivered back to us safely.
  
   On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
  wrote:
  
On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
   
 I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
 people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
 and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
 to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
 do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
 dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
 throw-away-society!

__-
   
Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
   
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
We are still kind and sensitive, just tired of people who place so little value 
on their animals and children.


 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list.  It makes me
 sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
 
  Kudos to her :)
  - Original Message - From: D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM
 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 
   Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs
  this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght
  in 8 dogs..
 
 
 
  --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 
  From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM
 
 
  That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a
  kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like
  hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who
  happened to be orange  white :)
 
  This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style.
  I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having 
  any
  other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have
  tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then
  how will he treat her? Geez!
  - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 
 
  I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my
  cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact,
  got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat
  outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add 
  insult
  to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the
  types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
  be
  spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many
  people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
 
 
   From: moonv...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
  In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel
  and
  judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
  Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
  always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
  something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
  I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
  rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
  whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my
  adopters
  have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
  baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
  form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will
  do)
  and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
  pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
  delivered back to us safely.
 
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
  wrote:
 
   On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
  
I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
throw-away-society!
   
   __**-
  
   Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
   rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
   all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
   nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
   ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
  Thatis why we all end up with 7,8,12 cats.  You can't trust people to do what 
they say they will.  So you end up keeping them.  Also by the time you get them 
healthy, you are too attached to let them go.


 Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: 
 
 See, that is why I have a hard time fostering anymore, I DON'T know where 
 they will end up or what will happen.  I rescued two beautiful Flame Point 
 Himis from the Houston SPCA and they were SO skinny and, of course, 
 had ringworm.  Well, after 3 months of nursing them back to health and 
 getting to know how special they were, I finally adopted them out to a home 
 that I assumed was really good and, all things considered, it IS a good home; 
 however, they let them outside and one of them was taken by an owl.  My rules 
 are very clear, no declawing, no outside, no dumping them at a shelter or 
 giving them away, but people don't listen and do what they want to do.  I 
 know we have all gotten the call hey, I found this cat, she/he is starving, 
 has a bunch of health problems and the microchip comes back to your group 
 and when you call the adopter, they will not answer your calls or emails.
  
 One more story about trusting people.  A local rescue group her got a call 
 from the shelter telling them that someone turned in one of their cats 
 (microchipped) and come to find out, it was the FOSTER who took the cat to 
 the shelter.  Hard to trust anyone these days :(
  
 
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:30:17 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy
  problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two
  before leaving. Yes, I agree about some rescue groups, but also seldom
  happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason.
  With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am
  at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with
  the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes
  on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring
  back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never
  hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters!
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
  judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
  Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
  always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
  something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
  I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
  rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
  whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
  have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
  baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
  form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
  and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
  pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
  delivered back to us safely.
  
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  
   On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
  
I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
throw-away-society!
   
   __-
  
   Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
   rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
   all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
   nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
   ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
I am trying to figure out why God doesn't just bring the world to an end - we 
really do not deserve it.  Animals basically only kill for food or protection.  
Man kills for pleasure.  We kill each other for a pair of shoes or because we 
don't like the way different people look or talk, or because we want what they 
have and don't want to work for it.   Then again I think it all boils down to 
GREED, SELFISHNESS, ME, MYSELF AND I.


 Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: 
 It's a sad, selfish world!!!
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 
  On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
  
  I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
  people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
  and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
  to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
  do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
  dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
  throw-away-society!
  
  __-
  
  Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
  rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
  all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
  nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
  ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
jUST THINK WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO HER IF SHE FELL INTO THE HANDS OF 
SOMEONE WHO DID NOT WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO RETEST.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 FANTASTIC NEWS
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:21 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 
 Hooray!!! I'm sounding the blow horn! Whoohoo, congrats to you both!
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 
 
  Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result!  Good news for
  Miss Peaches.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
May she continue to enjoy a good life with people who care.  Good for you 
retesting her and giving her the chance to live.

- Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result!  Good news for
 Miss Peaches.
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
But it does make me feel better afterwards.  

 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 That's exactly how to do it - be nice and accommodating while biting your 
 tongue really hard, get the anima(s) - and then POW!  Let 'em have it between 
 the eyes! But it just falls on deaf ears, so its purpose is probably more 
 therapeutic for us to vent than to make some lasting impression on those 
 people, who are probably just plain incorrigible! Maybe they're not even 
 worth getting ourselves into a snit and raise our BP!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

bUT ONCE i GET THE ANIMAL IN MY HANDS, I USUALLY GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MY MIND
 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the 
 animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need 
 to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the 
 road.  Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700
  From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals 
  to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out 
  there get kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger 
  or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just grew up. It 
  makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but 
  makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because 
  they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was 
  just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. 
  
  
  From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  
  YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it 
  hard to walk and drive a car without a spine?
  
  
   Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
   From: longhornf...@verizon.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
   That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
   kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went 
   like 
   hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
   happened to be orange  white :)
   
   This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her 
   style. I 
   agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having 
   any 
   other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
   tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
   how will he treat her? Geez!
   - Original Message - 
   From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
   
   
   I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump 
   my 
   cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of 
   fact, 
   got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
   outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add 
   insult 
   to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
   types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
   be 
   spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
   people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
   
   
From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
   
In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
and
judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc 
etc.
I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST 

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
I put out saucers of sugar water for the bees and wasps so they will leave the 
hummingbird feeders alone.  They were so crowded that some were landing on top 
of others, pushing them into the water.  They were drowning so I scooped them 
out on my fingers and spred them out on the deck railing.  I went into the 
house for paper towels to absorb some of the water.  When I got back out, 
others were licking it off the others and cleaning their wings so the could 
fly.  Only lost 5 out of 50. I know, I am nuts, but honeybees are having a hard 
time these days and we need them to pollinate our plants.


 CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I agree. I take the flys out of my outside  cat's drinking water to save them.
 
 --- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 
 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 11:49 AM
 
 
 tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS BASED ON 
 THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT.  WE THROW AWAY 
 CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR 
 ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE 
 CROSSING THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY IN THE GRASS  ON THE SIDE THEY WERE 
 HEADING TO.  I EVEN STOPPED ON MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE 
 ROAD (HE WAS SO LONG I COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
  I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are?
  They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are
  strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with
  a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that?  What kind of horrible race are
  we?  Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is
  abandoned...it's a throw-away-society!
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:53 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
  
  The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
  apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
  to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
  the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
  They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
  baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
  here.
  
  I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
  give Nibbles vaccinations.
  I'll let you know what the vet says.
  Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
  to do.
  
  On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson
  longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
  
   Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
   shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
   effective.
  
   It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
   against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
  keep
   her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
  has
   had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
   current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
  
   I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
   this forum, but we are not experts :)
  
   Keep us posted.
  
   Thanks,
   L
   - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
   
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
  
  
    We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
   cats.
   Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
  
   I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
   make
   sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
   shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
   Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
  
   Here's the situation:
  
   *Peaches* (New Cat)
   Age: 4.5 yr
   Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
   vaccination.
   Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd
   feline
   leukemia in 2009.
   She also had a vaccination in 2010
  
   I have 3 other cats:
   All cats will stay indoors!
  
   *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
   Age: 2.5
   Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
   shot.
   Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors  didn't think that I would
  rescue
   a
   cat again and planning on keeping all cats 

Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
He is willing to and can give a cat a bath.  He is a keeper!


 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Wow, Hang On to _that_ guy!!!
 
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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 well, I don't know whether it makes me sexier but I do have a really cute
 boyfriend who has four cats. When I met him he told me he was a cat person
 and not too crazy about dogs. That certainly got my attention since most
 men have felt threatened by my 4-legged family members.  I would say it
 definitely makes him sexier, especially since he's the only person I know
 who can give a cat a bath.
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:46 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually 
operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals fed 
and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple of 
hamburgers and get them tested. 

 Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: 
 It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the cat
 instead of testing them.
 
 Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals. Apparently
 it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from
 getting exposed to FeLV.
 
 
 I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
 positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
 
 Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case
 =^_^=
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
  indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.  Only if
  there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out and
  you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to the
  virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have been
  tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
  either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't
  need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
  thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to
  speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if
  you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
 
  Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt for
  kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
 
  Maureen
 
  sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC
 
  - Reply message -
  From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
  Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
  The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
  apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
  to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
  the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
  They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
  baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
  here.
 
  I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
  give Nibbles vaccinations.
  I'll let you know what the vet says.
  Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
  to do.
 
  On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
  wrote:
 
   Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
   shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
   effective.
  
   It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
   against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
  keep
   her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
  has
   had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
   current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
  
   I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
   this forum, but we are not experts :)
  
   Keep us posted.
  
   Thanks,
   L
   - Original Message - From: Martha Walton 
  marthawal...@gmail.com
   
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
  
  
We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
   cats.
   Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
  
   I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
   make
   sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with
  all
   shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
   Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
  
   Here's the situation:
  
   *Peaches* (New Cat)
   Age: 4.5 yr
   Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
   vaccination.
   Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd
   feline
   leukemia in 2009.
   She also had a vaccination in 2010
  
   I have 3 other cats:
   All cats will stay indoors!
  
   *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
   Age: 2.5
   Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline
  Leukemia
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-06 Thread dlgegg
That is my vets take on it.  He said keep them isolated to be sure they don't 
have any secondary  infections and to get my negatives up to date on FELV 
shots.  Then let them mix.  Course, I do not adopt out my bunch.  After I have 
had them a week I sm sunk, can't give them up.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 In the 10+ years I've been mixing I have never had a cat pass the virus. Not 
 even to my FIV+ cat. All my cats mix freely. This was on the advice of my vet.
 
 
 Beth
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
 
 
 
 From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
 better than 0% protection.
 - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 
 Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed in 
 the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives  negatives, too. 
 Have for years with no passing of the virus.
 
 Beth
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 
 
 
 From: john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
 others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
 They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
 negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
 
 
 
 
 From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Dear all,
 
 It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
 away, last year
 I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
 
 I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
 Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
 
 Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
 triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
 siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
 City.
 We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
 completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
 
 However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
 again...
 We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
 these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
 share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
 vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
 their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
 We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
 time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
 find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
 We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
 a great life for these two little guys.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread Natalie
Many TNR don't test, unless a cat looks really sick, too sick to be released
into a colony.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually
operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals fed
and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple of
hamburgers and get them tested. 

 Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: 
 It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
cat
 instead of testing them.
 
 Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
Apparently
 it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from
 getting exposed to FeLV.
 
 
 I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
 positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
 
 Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case
 =^_^=
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
molvey...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
  indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.  Only
if
  there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out
and
  you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to the
  virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
been
  tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
  either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't
  need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
  thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up
to
  speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
again if
  you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
 
  Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
for
  kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
 
  Maureen
 
  sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC
 
  - Reply message -
  From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
  Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
  The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
  apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
Peaches
  to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
why
  the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
  They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
  baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
live
  here.
 
  I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
and
  give Nibbles vaccinations.
  I'll let you know what the vet says.
  Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
what
  to do.
 
  On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
  wrote:
 
   Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
   shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to
be
   effective.
  
   It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
   against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
would
  keep
   her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
she
  has
   had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are
all
   current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
  
   I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge
on
   this forum, but we are not experts :)
  
   Keep us posted.
  
   Thanks,
   L
   - Original Message - From: Martha Walton 
  marthawal...@gmail.com
   
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
  
  
We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
   cats.
   Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
  
   I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want
to
   make
   sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with
  all
   shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
   Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
  
   Here's the situation:
  
   *Peaches* (New Cat)
   Age: 4.5 yr
   Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested*
before
   vaccination.
   Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd
   feline
   leukemia in 2009.
   She also had a vaccination in 2010
  
   I have 3 other cats:
   All cats will stay indoors!
  
   *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
   Age: 2.5
   

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread Kelley Saveika
Alley Cat Allies recommends not testing for a couple of reasons.  Their
reasoning can be found here.  http://www.alleycat.org/Page.aspx?pid=458   We
follow their recommendations.

If a cat is a friendly stray in a feral colony, we test - always test before
adoption.  If they are pos we wait then retest with IFA.  One of our cats
was adopted to a lovely lady on this list - she was double pos (we confirmed
the FELV with IFA) and she's still doing well several years later.



On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Many TNR don't test, unless a cat looks really sick, too sick to be
 released
 into a colony.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:36 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

 But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually
 operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals
 fed
 and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple
 of
 hamburgers and get them tested.

  Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote:
  It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
 cat
  instead of testing them.
 
  Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
 Apparently
  it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats
 from
  getting exposed to FeLV.
 
 
  I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
  positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
 
  Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in
 case
  =^_^=
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
 molvey...@hotmail.com
   wrote:
 
   I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
   indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.
  Only
 if
   there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out
 and
   you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to
 the
   virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
 been
   tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
   either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really
 don't
   need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
   thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up
 to
   speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
 again if
   you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
  
   Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
 for
   kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
  
   Maureen
  
   sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC
  
   - Reply message -
   From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
   Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
   The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
   apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
 Peaches
   to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
 why
   the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her
 first.
   They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had
 a
   baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
 live
   here.
  
   I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
 and
   give Nibbles vaccinations.
   I'll let you know what the vet says.
   Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
 what
   to do.
  
   On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
   wrote:
  
Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the
 first
shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it
 to
 be
effective.
   
It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
 would
   keep
her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
 she
   has
had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are
 all
current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
   
I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge
 on
this forum, but we are not experts :)
   
Keep us posted.
   
Thanks,
L
- Original Message - From: Martha Walton 
   marthawal...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
   
   
 We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of
 4
cats.
Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
   
I have not introduced new cat 

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread Kelley Saveika
We just spent $270 getting TWO cats ready for adoption, which for us
includes combo test, FELV vaccine, FVRCP vaccine, rabies, microchip, exam -
and our vet is cut rate.  One needs a dental which will cost more.   We will
adopt them out for $75 each.  That is a lot more than fried chicken and a
couple of hamburgers.  I have spent thousands of dollars of my personal
money when the rescue had none.

That doesn't include, of course, any sick cats we take in.  That is just for
the basic adoption workup (except for the dental).

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:35 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually
 operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals fed
 and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple of
 hamburgers and get them tested.

  Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote:
  It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
 cat
  instead of testing them.
 
  Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
 Apparently
  it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats
 from
  getting exposed to FeLV.
 
 
  I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
  positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
 
  Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in
 case
  =^_^=
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com 
 molvey...@hotmail.com
   wrote:
 
   I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
   indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.
  Only if
   there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out
 and
   you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to
 the
   virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
 been
   tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
   either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really
 don't
   need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
   thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up
 to
   speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
 again if
   you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
  
   Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
 for
   kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
  
   Maureen
  
   sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC
  
   - Reply message -
   From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
   Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
   The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
   apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
 Peaches
   to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
 why
   the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her
 first.
   They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had
 a
   baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
 live
   here.
  
   I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
 and
   give Nibbles vaccinations.
   I'll let you know what the vet says.
   Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
 what
   to do.
  
   On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
   wrote:
  
Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the
 first
shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it
 to be
effective.
   
It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
 would
   keep
her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
 she
   has
had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are
 all
current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
   
I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge
 on
this forum, but we are not experts :)
   
Keep us posted.
   
Thanks,
L
- Original Message - From: Martha Walton 
   marthawal...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
   
   
 We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of
 4
cats.
Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
   
I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want
 to
make
sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date
 with
   all
shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
   
Here's the situation:
   
*Peaches* (New Cat)
Age: 4.5 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

2011-08-06 Thread Joslin Potter
Oh my, that brought tears to my eyes, how can people be so cruel? Imagine what 
that poor animal must of been feeling?
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

I had an old woman call me a few years ago; she spends winters in FL.  She
wanted me to take an old cat as a trade-in for a kitten to be a good
mouser in her basement while she was away.
Last year, when our vet's office was opened in the morning (on a major busy
road), there was an open box by the front door with 4 5-6 wk old kittens,
and the mother cat was sitting next to that box!!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  

Lorrie

On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
 nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.  




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Re: [Felvtalk] Saving bees

2011-08-06 Thread Lorrie
No you aren't nuts...
That's a very kind thing to do... Honey bees are having a
difficult time surviving due to pesticides and the tracheal mite
that can kill entire hives.

We've got some very kind hearted people in this group..
People here seem to regard all life as worthwhile regardless 
of whether it's a pet or another little creature who also
wants to live.
 
Lorrie

On 08-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I put out saucers of sugar water for the bees and wasps so they
 will leave the hummingbird feeders alone.  They were so crowded
 that some were landing on top of others, pushing them into the
 water.  They were drowning so I scooped them out on my fingers and
 spred them out on the deck railing.  I went into the house for
 paper towels to absorb some of the water.  When I got back out,
 others were licking it off the others and cleaning their wings so
 the could fly.  Only lost 5 out of 50. I know, I am nuts, but
 honeybees are having a hard time these days and we need them to
 pollinate our plants.
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Moving Critters in the road

2011-08-06 Thread Lorrie
You are so right We are a throw away nation and our pets
are tossed out like so much garbage!

BTW,   I stop and move turtles or snakes out of the road too.

Lorrie
  
On 08-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS
 BASED ON THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT. 
 WE THROW AWAY CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A
 USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP
 AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE CROSSING THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY
 IN THE GRASS ON THE SIDE THEY WERE HEADING TO.  I EVEN STOPPED ON
 MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE ROAD (HE WAS SO LONG I
 COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.



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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-06 Thread D.S.Louis
No folow-up on what happened to her...but   Pheonix has 800 animals in their 
shelter they want to find homes for this weekenda donation will get you a 
cat or a dog.
 
 
Dorothy


 

--- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 9:36 AM


I have asked my friends ad vet to tell me if thy think I am getting out of 
control and hoarding.  It is so easy to take them in, you want to help them, 
but you have to stop and ask yourself if you can afford to feed and give them 
proper care.  I know 7 is my limit, csts over $80.00 a month for food and 
litter.  May have to cut down on my food (wouldn't hurt me, need to loose a few 
pounds).  I have the basic DISH package - $24.99 that I started with 3 years 
ago.  That gives me the news, Tom  Jerry and the old shows that I want to 
watch, that is enough for me.  Why do people need 250 channels, they can't 
possibly watch them all?  My babies come first.  I have a big Saffari van, can 
take the seats out for my babies and we will just camp out.
 Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does 
 that? She DOES need a neuter!


From: D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this 
weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in  8 
dogs..

 

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:


From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM


That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten 
for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I 
guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be 
orange  white :)

This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how 
will he treat her? Geez!
- Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat 
because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email.  As a matter of fact, got 
one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside 
in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, 
she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the types of people 
that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered.  
Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many people like that?  you 
bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(


 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
 judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
 Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
 always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
 something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
 I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
 rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
 whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
 have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
 baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
 form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
 and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
 pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
 delivered back to us safely.
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
 
   I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
   people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
   and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
   to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
   do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
   dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
   throw-away-society!
  
  __-
 
  

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread D.S.Louis
You are so right onwe are athrow-away society.

 

--- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 8:49 AM


tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS BASED ON 
THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT.  WE THROW AWAY 
CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR 
ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE CROSSING 
THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY IN THE GRASS  ON THE SIDE THEY WERE HEADING TO.  I 
EVEN STOPPED ON MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE ROAD (HE WAS SO 
LONG I COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are?
 They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are
 strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with
 a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that?  What kind of horrible race are
 we?  Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is
 abandoned...it's a throw-away-society!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton
 Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:53 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 
 The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
 apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
 to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
 the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
 They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
 baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
 here.
 
 I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
 give Nibbles vaccinations.
 I'll let you know what the vet says.
 Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
 to do.
 
 On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson
 longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
 
  Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
  shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
  effective.
 
  It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
  against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
 keep
  her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
 has
  had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
  current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
 
  I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
  this forum, but we are not experts :)
 
  Keep us posted.
 
  Thanks,
  L
  - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
 
 
   We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
  cats.
  Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
 
  I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
  make
  sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
  shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
  Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
 
  Here's the situation:
 
  *Peaches* (New Cat)
  Age: 4.5 yr
  Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
  vaccination.
  Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd
  feline
  leukemia in 2009.
  She also had a vaccination in 2010
 
  I have 3 other cats:
  All cats will stay indoors!
 
  *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
  Age: 2.5
  Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
  shot.
  Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors  didn't think that I would
 rescue
  a
  cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
  *However, I rescued another cat.*
  Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
 it
  too late??
 
  *Littlebit*
  Age: 11
  Current Feline Leukemia vacc
 
  *Lacy*
  Age: 6 months
  Current Feline Leukemia vacc
 
  What do you think I should do???
  Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
 it
  too late??
  Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Saving bees

2011-08-06 Thread MaiMaiPG
You aren't nutstry putting clean rocks in the sauces so they don't  
fall in or, if they do, can get out.

On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Lorrie wrote:


No you aren't nuts...
That's a very kind thing to do... Honey bees are having a
difficult time surviving due to pesticides and the tracheal mite
that can kill entire hives.

We've got some very kind hearted people in this group..
People here seem to regard all life as worthwhile regardless
of whether it's a pet or another little creature who also
wants to live.

Lorrie

On 08-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


I put out saucers of sugar water for the bees and wasps so they
will leave the hummingbird feeders alone.  They were so crowded
that some were landing on top of others, pushing them into the
water.  They were drowning so I scooped them out on my fingers and
spred them out on the deck railing.  I went into the house for
paper towels to absorb some of the water.  When I got back out,
others were licking it off the others and cleaning their wings so
the could fly.  Only lost 5 out of 50. I know, I am nuts, but
honeybees are having a hard time these days and we need them to
pollinate our plants.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread Beth
i'm familiar with Alley Cat Allie's taske on testing ferasls because thete is a 
group here who follows their line. I completely disagree with it. I have 
re-released cats with FIV, but I think it is crazy to release cats with FeLV.  
Those cats will probably die a horrible lonely death  put other, even tame 
cats at risk. I cannot understand it.

Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

Alley Cat Allies recommends not testing for a couple of reasons.  Their
reasoning can be found here.  http://www.alleycat.org/Page.aspx?pid=458   We
follow their recommendations.

If a cat is a friendly stray in a feral colony, we test - always test before
adoption.  If they are pos we wait then retest with IFA.  One of our cats
was adopted to a lovely lady on this list - she was double pos (we confirmed
the FELV with IFA) and she's still doing well several years later.



On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Many TNR don't test, unless a cat looks really sick, too sick to be
 released
 into a colony.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:36 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

 But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually
 operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals
 fed
 and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple
 of
 hamburgers and get them tested.

  Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote:
  It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
 cat
  instead of testing them.
 
  Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
 Apparently
  it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats
 from
  getting exposed to FeLV.
 
 
  I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
  positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
 
  Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in
 case
  =^_^=
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
 molvey...@hotmail.com
   wrote:
 
   I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
   indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.
  Only
 if
   there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out
 and
   you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to
 the
   virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
 been
   tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
   either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really
 don't
   need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
   thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up
 to
   speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
 again if
   you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
  
   Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
 for
   kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
  
   Maureen
  
   sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC
  
   - Reply message -
   From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
   Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
   The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
   apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
 Peaches
   to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
 why
   the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her
 first.
   They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had
 a
   baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
 live
   here.
  
   I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
 and
   give Nibbles vaccinations.
   I'll let you know what the vet says.
   Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
 what
   to do.
  
   On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
   wrote:
  
Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the
 first
shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it
 to
 be
effective.
   
It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
 would
   keep
her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
 she
   has
had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are
 all
current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
   
I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge
 on
this forum, but we are not experts :)
   
Keep us posted.
   
Thanks,
L

Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-06 Thread LauraM
Yes, he wants to give baths to all 20 of my cats!


From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

He is willing to and can give a cat a bath.  He is a keeper!


 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Wow, Hang On to _that_ guy!!!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 well, I don't know whether it makes me sexier but I do have a really cute
 boyfriend who has four cats. When I met him he told me he was a cat person
 and not too crazy about dogs. That certainly got my attention since most
 men have felt threatened by my 4-legged family members.  I would say it
 definitely makes him sexier, especially since he's the only person I know
 who can give a cat a bath.
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:46 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
 
 
 No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes...
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

2011-08-06 Thread Lynda Wilson

Wow! That IS FREAKING AMAZING!! How does that happen?

I'm so happy for you and Booger (that is my cat, Kirby's nickname!).

- Original Message - 
From: molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds


Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me.  He's an older 
gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago.  In March a two year old 
cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV.  She tested 
negative as a kitten.  She and my FIV positive kitty lived together 
sharing food and water bowls and everything.  I think he used to groom her 
too when she was a kitten.  I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested 
yesterday.  Can you believe that booger is negative for FeLV?  Talk about 
defying the odds.  Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did 
not contract the disease.  You can't predict anything regarding this 
disease.  I just assumed he had gotten it from her.


Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Saving bees

2011-08-06 Thread Natalie
AND I read that cell phones are wreaking havoc on bees, too!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Saving bees

No you aren't nuts...
That's a very kind thing to do... Honey bees are having a
difficult time surviving due to pesticides and the tracheal mite
that can kill entire hives.

We've got some very kind hearted people in this group..
People here seem to regard all life as worthwhile regardless 
of whether it's a pet or another little creature who also
wants to live.
 
Lorrie

On 08-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I put out saucers of sugar water for the bees and wasps so they
 will leave the hummingbird feeders alone.  They were so crowded
 that some were landing on top of others, pushing them into the
 water.  They were drowning so I scooped them out on my fingers and
 spred them out on the deck railing.  I went into the house for
 paper towels to absorb some of the water.  When I got back out,
 others were licking it off the others and cleaning their wings so
 the could fly.  Only lost 5 out of 50. I know, I am nuts, but
 honeybees are having a hard time these days and we need them to
 pollinate our plants.
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

2011-08-06 Thread molveywda
Actually, his name is Cotton because he's solid white.  I have a house full of 
cats.  Some are mine and some are fosters.  I've only had about five of them 
tested so far and thankfully all have tested negative for FeLV.  It's kind of 
weird but great.

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- Reply message -
From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Wow! That IS FREAKING AMAZING!! How does that happen?

I'm so happy for you and Booger (that is my cat, Kirby's nickname!).

- Original Message - From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds


 Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me.  He's an older  
 gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago.  In March a two year old  
 cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV.  She tested  
 negative as a kitten.  She and my FIV positive kitty lived together  sharing 
 food and water bowls and everything.  I think he used to groom her  too when 
 she was a kitten.  I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested  yesterday.  Can 
 you believe that booger is negative for FeLV?  Talk about  defying the odds. 
  Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did  not contract the 
 disease.  You can't predict anything regarding this  disease.  I just 
 assumed he had gotten it from her.

 Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

2011-08-06 Thread Natalie
That's one for the booksamazing!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me.  He's an older
gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago.  In March a two year old cat
of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV.  She tested
negative as a kitten.  She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing
food and water bowls and everything.  I think he used to groom her too when
she was a kitten.  I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday.  Can
you believe that booger is negative for FeLV?  Talk about defying the odds.
Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the
disease.  You can't predict anything regarding this disease.  I just assumed
he had gotten it from her.

Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-06 Thread Natalie
Kelley,
Do you also work/volunteer for a cat rescue group?  I wonder how many in
this group do...it would be interesting to know. The price you quoted, for 2
cats, sounds darn reasonable...it would be a lot more here on the East Coast
(even with a 50% discount).
I co-founded and operate ARA (Animal Rights Alliance) Project Save-A-Cat.
Natalie
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 3:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

We just spent $270 getting TWO cats ready for adoption, which for us
includes combo test, FELV vaccine, FVRCP vaccine, rabies, microchip, exam -
and our vet is cut rate.  One needs a dental which will cost more.   We will
adopt them out for $75 each.  That is a lot more than fried chicken and a
couple of hamburgers.  I have spent thousands of dollars of my personal
money when the rescue had none.

That doesn't include, of course, any sick cats we take in.  That is just for
the basic adoption workup (except for the dental).

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:35 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters
usually
 operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals
fed
 and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple
of
 hamburgers and get them tested.

  Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote:
  It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
 cat
  instead of testing them.
 
  Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
 Apparently
  it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats
 from
  getting exposed to FeLV.
 
 
  I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
  positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
 
  Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in
 case
  =^_^=
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com 
 molvey...@hotmail.com
   wrote:
 
   I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
   indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.
  Only if
   there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them
out
 and
   you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to
 the
   virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
 been
   tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the
vaccination
   either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really
 don't
   need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
   thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles
up
 to
   speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
 again if
   you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
  
   Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the
butt
 for
   kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
  
   Maureen
  
   sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC
  
   - Reply message -
   From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
   Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
   The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
   apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
 Peaches
   to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
 why
   the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her
 first.
   They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had
 a
   baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
 live
   here.
  
   I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
 and
   give Nibbles vaccinations.
   I'll let you know what the vet says.
   Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
 what
   to do.
  
   On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
   wrote:
  
Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the
 first
shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it
 to be
effective.
   
It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
 would
   keep
her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
 she
   has
had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others
are
 all
current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
   
I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge
 on
this forum, but we are not experts :)
   
Keep us posted.
   
Thanks,
L
- Original Message - From: Martha Walton 
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