Re: [Felvtalk] Declawed on 4 paws

2011-08-28 Thread Lorrie
I've heard people proudly announce that their cats are only declawed
in the front, and they usually do see proud of it.  Even prouder if
they've mutilated the poor cat on all four feet!!  Declawing is cruel
and agonizing for the cat and I'd like to take these people and put
each finger on a chopping block so they can experience the pain!



On 08-27, Natalie wrote:

 Some declaw ALL four paws - and others proudly announce MY cat is declawed
 on the front paws only!, as if it were something very admirable.  When I
 ask them why they think it's so great, the assumption is that because they
 spent extra money on the cat, they did it a great favorIt's just plain
 ignorance when people don't know what declawing really does to a cat's
 psyche! Everyone should read The Cat that Cried for Help! - just the
 chapter on the declawing procedure.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawed on 4 paws

2011-08-28 Thread Marcia Baronda
Ug...it just makes me sick..
Well Fletch is hiding in the basement. He is still eating and drinking
really well and wants to be petted. I just think he wanted a space of his
own. He found a little box down there with bubble wrap in it. I'd much
rather him have a nice comfy blankie, but he picked out his spot. I may try
later to give him a blanket. His eyes may be the source of his infection,
but I'm not sure. The eyelashes are continually irritating his eye, even
though it is covered by a membrane. I always have to clean his eyes out, but
lately they have been looking a little infected instead of just the usual
runny teary looking stuff that comes out. they don't smell too hot either. I
always assumed that it was the eyelashes causing all that. the vet thought
so also. But maybe with his so called felv, it is gettting out of hand. I
don't know. I am just trying to keep them clean and keep something in them.
Well, I hope everyone is OK, and everyones kitties are just dandy!!
Take care
Marcia

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I've heard people proudly announce that their cats are only declawed
 in the front, and they usually do see proud of it.  Even prouder if
 they've mutilated the poor cat on all four feet!!  Declawing is cruel
 and agonizing for the cat and I'd like to take these people and put
 each finger on a chopping block so they can experience the pain!



 On 08-27, Natalie wrote:

  Some declaw ALL four paws - and others proudly announce MY cat is
 declawed
  on the front paws only!, as if it were something very admirable.  When I
  ask them why they think it's so great, the assumption is that because
 they
  spent extra money on the cat, they did it a great favorIt's just
 plain
  ignorance when people don't know what declawing really does to a cat's
  psyche! Everyone should read The Cat that Cried for Help! - just the
  chapter on the declawing procedure.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawed on 4 paws

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
Did you check to see if any lashes were growing inward toward the eye?  Had one 
with that problem once and it scratched the eye, causing an irritation and 
infection.  Had to constantly keep at that lash.
As to the basement, my Annie came to me with a lot of baggage.  Her owner died 
of cancer and she was locked in her small trailer for 3 weeks with Kathy's 
sister coming once a day to feed, change the box and no real contact.  Then 
when Kathy was satisfied that Annie would have the same care she gave her, she 
passed the next day and Annie was put into a cardboard box and brought to my 
vet.  He called me and I picked her up and brought her to a 2 story house with 
another cat and 2 new people.  When I let her out, she made a madd dash for the 
basement and stayed there for 2 weeks.  I know she came up to eat at night 
because she looked well fed when she did let me get near her.  Then, she was 
all over the house investigating everything.  She is even used to other cats 
now andonly hisses and slaps a few times when a new one comes in.  It was hard 
for her to adjust to not being te only cat with sleeping on th bed privileges 
but now she and Lil Bit will both sleep on the bed at the same time and all is 
peaceful and quiet.
 Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Ug...it just makes me sick..
 Well Fletch is hiding in the basement. He is still eating and drinking
 really well and wants to be petted. I just think he wanted a space of his
 own. He found a little box down there with bubble wrap in it. I'd much
 rather him have a nice comfy blankie, but he picked out his spot. I may try
 later to give him a blanket. His eyes may be the source of his infection,
 but I'm not sure. The eyelashes are continually irritating his eye, even
 though it is covered by a membrane. I always have to clean his eyes out, but
 lately they have been looking a little infected instead of just the usual
 runny teary looking stuff that comes out. they don't smell too hot either. I
 always assumed that it was the eyelashes causing all that. the vet thought
 so also. But maybe with his so called felv, it is gettting out of hand. I
 don't know. I am just trying to keep them clean and keep something in them.
 Well, I hope everyone is OK, and everyones kitties are just dandy!!
 Take care
 Marcia
 
 On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  I've heard people proudly announce that their cats are only declawed
  in the front, and they usually do see proud of it.  Even prouder if
  they've mutilated the poor cat on all four feet!!  Declawing is cruel
  and agonizing for the cat and I'd like to take these people and put
  each finger on a chopping block so they can experience the pain!
 
 
 
  On 08-27, Natalie wrote:
 
   Some declaw ALL four paws - and others proudly announce MY cat is
  declawed
   on the front paws only!, as if it were something very admirable.  When I
   ask them why they think it's so great, the assumption is that because
  they
   spent extra money on the cat, they did it a great favorIt's just
  plain
   ignorance when people don't know what declawing really does to a cat's
   psyche! Everyone should read The Cat that Cried for Help! - just the
   chapter on the declawing procedure.
 
 
 
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 *Herington, Kansas 67449*
 *Phone: 785-466-2501*
 *Cell:785-230-6499*
 **
 ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a
 veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who
 inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my
 conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or
 wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
RE:  cats claws and furniture
Have you tried the 2 sided sticky tape, I thing Petsmart and Petco carry it.  
You put it on places where cats have started cawing.  For some reason, they 
don't like the sticky stuff and they lave it alone.  After a bit, you can 
remove it and hey don't come back to it.  Had a friend try it once.  Me, I just 
have los of scratch posts and the emery covered cardboard gadget.  It is curved 
so they can stand on the low endand scratch on the high end.  My guys like it a 
lot.  Kind of messy, have to vacumn around it a lot, but better than 
reupholstering.

 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
 metal is great too.  Porch furniture can be used inside too.
 On Aug 27, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
  The best furniture is wooden futons..and bentwood chairs, that's  
  what we have in the kitchen and the TV room, where most cats are.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  ] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:45 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
  My thoughts exactly!
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
 
  My cats have destroyed my new furniture, but I love my cats much  
  much more
  than I like my furniture, and declawing has never been an option at  
  my
  house. I voice my opinion  as much as possible on that subject. But  
  I have
  found that some people think that just goes along with having a  
  cat. What
  totally pisses me off is the ones that declaw and then decide to  
  put them
  outside!!
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:06 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Just add this to the consideration.
 
  To summarize, 'declawing' is a misnomer.  When a cat is 'declawed'
  they are having their toes amputated at the first knuckle.  Period.
 
  Now, think about you having all ten toes cut off at the first  
  knuckle.
 
  Kat
 
  On 8/26/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
  Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to
  adjust
  to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's  
  just
  mean,
  torturous.  Just not a good thing to do. There are places that  
  allow
  cats w
  claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But  
  then
  grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and  
  then who
  wants a cat ruined by declaw.
 
  Gloria
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com  
  wrote:
 
  It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat  
  going
  without you.  I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and
  mourn
  themselves TO DEATH.  I've seen cats given away by their owners be
  fine.
  I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer.  I have seen cats  
  who
  have
  been declawed do absolutely fine.  It isn't all as easy as it  
  looks
  sometimes.
 
  I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a
  mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain  
  had it
  not
  been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed.  I would hope  
  any vet
  doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds.
 
  At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I   
  went into
  a
  nursing home.
 
  On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net  
  wrote:
  I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is  
  the
  most
  devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more
  heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the  
  cat, trust
  me.  I wonder how a cat would feel if
 
  he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or  
  having
  their
  paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote  
  The Cat
  that
  Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme  
  pain
  that
  they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose  
  and
  cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never  
  see.  I
  have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few  
  years
  ago,
  where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her  
  mother’s
  oriental rug was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out’s  
  to
  adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After  
  the
  hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it.  It is probably  
  the best
  I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing.
 
  Natalie
 
 
 
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley
  Saveika
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
 
 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
I WILL NEVER ALLOW MY CATS TO BE DECLAWED!  

 Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: 
 I will never use Banfield in Petsmart...oh the horror stories!!
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors


 Benfield Health at Petsmart has a big promotion for kitten health which 
 includes declawing.
 Many people think it's just a manicure, where nails are pulled out, 
 which to me sounds like torture used by third world countries and 
 barbarians. And many vets suggest it as an option when they learn that 
 the cats will be inside only.  I know several people who allowed, and 
 still do, declawed cats outside.  No good comes of it more often than not, 
 and the ones that are OK are a fluke.
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:31 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 My cats have destroyed my new furniture, but I love my cats much much more 
 than I like my furniture, and declawing has never been an option at my 
 house. I voice my opinion  as much as possible on that subject. But I have 
 found that some people think that just goes along with having a cat. What 
 totally pisses me off is the ones that declaw and then decide to put them 
 outside!!

 Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:06 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just add this to the consideration.

 To summarize, 'declawing' is a misnomer.  When a cat is 'declawed'
 they are having their toes amputated at the first knuckle.  Period.

 Now, think about you having all ten toes cut off at the first knuckle.

 Kat

 On 8/26/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to 
 adjust
 to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just 
 mean,
 torturous.  Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow 
 cats w
 claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then
 grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who
 wants a cat ruined by declaw.

 Gloria

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going
 without you.  I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and 
 mourn
 themselves TO DEATH.  I've seen cats given away by their owners be 
 fine.
 I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer.  I have seen cats who 
 have
 been declawed do absolutely fine.  It isn't all as easy as it looks
 sometimes.

 I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a
 mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it 
 not
 been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed.  I would hope any vet
 doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds.

 At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I  went into 
 a
 nursing home.

 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the 
 most
 devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more
 heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust
 me.  I wonder how a cat would feel if

 he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having 
 their
 paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat 
 that
 Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain 
 that
 they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
 cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I
 have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years 
 ago,
 where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s
 oriental rug was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to
 adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the
 hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it.  It is probably the best
 I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing.

 Natalie



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
 Saveika
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM


 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors


 Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your 
 email
 program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

 I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
 death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather 
 declaw
 them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.

 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that 

Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
Has the storm passedand all is well?  still praying for all the animals and 
their peoplei it's path.

 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I have to worry about 70+ cats - I think we're pretty safe from flooding,
 although we are below a pond and waterfall, and even with the few
 Nor'Easters, when pond overflowed, we never had water in the garage where a
 few cat condo are.  I am worried about trees falling on the outdoor
 enclosure, so we will close them off this afternoon.  Never mind what could
 happen when windows brake.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:15 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
 
 Good for you.  There is no way I'd ever abandon my cats, but the
 problem is I have 15 cats, and a small Suzuki compact car, so I'd
 have to rent or buy a van, which I'd definitely do.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 08-26, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats).  If
  I have to leave my home, they go with me.  I have an Astro van and
  all I have to do is put the seats down and I have plenty of room
  for the carriers.  I will leve my home and all else behind, but my
  cats go with me.  I can sleep in the van with them.
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
That sounds like a good idea.  RE:  rental, have you had good luck with the 
people you rent to?  Can you specify no loud music after a certain hour, only 
people in you age range?

 
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Well, you could enforce the no-flea rule by insisting that the dog is
 treated with proof. You could even charge the extra amount for flea products
 and just hand it to them.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:23 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
 The rental apartment I own, in my two story cat shelter, allows
 cats As many as they want, within reason of course, and
 I'd never ask anyone to declaw a cat, but they must be neutered
 or spayed.
 
 I do not allow dogs however, as the last time I had a tenant with a
 dog (a big lab) we had a horrible flea infestation.  The fleas got so
 bad they gravitated downstairs to my cat shelter and it was just
 horrible.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
  
 There  are  also  some  apartments  that  allow  cats ONLY if they are
 declawed...I  guess  they  prefer  taking  their chances of those cats
 peeing  everywhere  instead  of  possibly scratching something, and it
 would most likely be the tenants' own furniture!
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
First, don't wait until the only way out  is gvernment transportation.  They 
won't allow animals.

 Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: 
 Glad to hear that Lorrie! I belong to another cat forum and a lady had asked 
 our opinion as to whether she should take her cat with her because it's 
 mandatory evacuation because of Hurricane Irene? OMG!  No question to me, I 
 would never leave my babies behind.
 
 L
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
 
 
  Good for you.  There is no way I'd ever abandon my cats, but the
  problem is I have 15 cats, and a small Suzuki compact car, so I'd
  have to rent or buy a van, which I'd definitely do.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 08-26, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats).  If
  I have to leave my home, they go with me.  I have an Astro van and
  all I have to do is put the seats down and I have plenty of room
  for the carriers.  I will leve my home and all else behind, but my
  cats go with me.  I can sleep in the van with them.
 
 
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[Felvtalk] Black Tom Update

2011-08-28 Thread Kelley Saveika
Black Tom, the cat for whom I was trying to find placement, now has 3 offers
(thank you ALL who offered).  Unfortunately he is not in a state yet where
he can travel, and I don't know if he will be.  I called the vet Saturday,
and he was eating all his food, drinking and eliminating normally, which are
all good signs, but they had not repeated bloodwork in a while to see what
that is doing.

When he was brought in, he had a rbc of *7%*.

At any rate, he has been at the vets now for 2 weeks.   I don't think the
person who was feeding him (he was in a feral colony, but not feral) has a
lot of money, so I wanted to see if we could start a fund to help defray his
costs.

I could start a chipin, or give you the vet's name and address if you would
like to donate directly.  If he makes it and the bill is covered completely,
the remainder could go to the sanctuary who takes him as a donation, or if
he does not make it any extra money could be returned or go to help other
cats in need.  I think he will be at the vet's office for at least several
more weeks.

Let me know what you think.

Thank you all so much for being a GREAT FELV resource.  I have been here for
years now and yall have come through EVERY TIME I needed a placement for an
FELV cat.  You ROCK!

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Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
On can always keep looking until they find a place that does not require 
declawing.  In a nursing home, the door to your room could always be kept 
closed so the cat had no access to other parts of the home.   All this 
discussion about homes and cats has me wondering about the cats/dogs taken to 
homes as therapy animals.  Do they get declawed


 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
 And who is going to take care of the cat if the owner isn't  
 available?  In many rural areas the cat will be taken to the pound or  
 thrown out to take care of himself/herself.  This is particularly hard  
 for older cats.  It is a judgment call that must be made with all  
 factors considered and with the welfare of the cat in the front.
 On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Natalie wrote:
 
  I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the  
  most devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be  
  more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the  
  cat, trust me.  I wonder how a cat would feel if
  he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having  
  their paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote  
  The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such  
  extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit  
  completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their  
  owners will never see.  I have a copy of an article written for NY  
  Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing  
  her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched  
  up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is  
  heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I  
  will scan it and post it.  It is probably the best I’ve read,  
  without going into the gory details of declawing.
  Natalie
 
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  ] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
  Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your  
  email program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
 
  I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally  
  to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd  
  rather declaw them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.
 
  On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
  OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was  
  going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about  
  declawing, NOW!
 
  There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are  
  declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats  
  peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it  
  would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture!
 
  I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when  
  it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t  
  on young(er) cats).
 
  There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the  
  psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have  
  had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all  
  of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I  
  to do – throw them out or kill them?  I found some homes that  
  understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as  
  they could.
 
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  ] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM
 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
  Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is  
  fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the  
  nursing home is likely to require declawing.
 
  On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
  That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a  
  cat with
  claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
  scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said,  
  bites are a
  natural defense for declawed cats!
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Seed Ticks?

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
Seems logcal, if cats and dogs and humans are affected by them, why not mice 
andbirds.  Even groundhogs, raccoon and possum.

 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Blacklegged ticks (misnamed deer ticks), acquire the spirochete bacterium
 from white footed mice and about another dozen or so small mammals and even
 birds.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:25 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Seed Ticks?
 
 Seed ticks are deer ticks at least around here
 
 
  Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
  What are seed ticks?  I know about the big dog ticks and the tiny
  deer ticks. The deer ticks are very small, so are these what you
  call seed ticks? 
  
   On 08-25, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
   
   It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. 
   I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live
   on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of
   mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine
   and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a long lasting
   antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they
   called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every
   time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose
   of tick treament.  I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed
   and regular ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
   
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Black Tom Update

2011-08-28 Thread ccarlsberg
I have a black 9 week old that needs placing too... I'm in LA, California
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Re: [Felvtalk] Black Tom Update

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
7%is bad, but I had count of 3.4% and made it back.  Would it help him if you 
had him at your home.  Cages in a vet's office are not the greatest place to 
be.  It is like being in the hospital.  The vet and techs cannot give him all 
the love he could get at home.  Is he staying there because he could infect 
someone else or you are afraid someone else woul infect him?


 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Black Tom, the cat for whom I was trying to find placement, now has 3 offers
 (thank you ALL who offered).  Unfortunately he is not in a state yet where
 he can travel, and I don't know if he will be.  I called the vet Saturday,
 and he was eating all his food, drinking and eliminating normally, which are
 all good signs, but they had not repeated bloodwork in a while to see what
 that is doing.
 
 When he was brought in, he had a rbc of *7%*.
 
 At any rate, he has been at the vets now for 2 weeks.   I don't think the
 person who was feeding him (he was in a feral colony, but not feral) has a
 lot of money, so I wanted to see if we could start a fund to help defray his
 costs.
 
 I could start a chipin, or give you the vet's name and address if you would
 like to donate directly.  If he makes it and the bill is covered completely,
 the remainder could go to the sanctuary who takes him as a donation, or if
 he does not make it any extra money could be returned or go to help other
 cats in need.  I think he will be at the vet's office for at least several
 more weeks.
 
 Let me know what you think.
 
 Thank you all so much for being a GREAT FELV resource.  I have been here for
 years now and yall have come through EVERY TIME I needed a placement for an
 FELV cat.  You ROCK!
 
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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
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 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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 Please help Trooper!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
When Homey's bladder infections come back, my vet has an antbiotic shot that 
lasts for 2 weeks.  It usually clears things up.  I also use a chinese herbal 
pill from Only Natural Pets.  It is great, small, round so easy to give her.  
Now I will have to add the acidophiolus and yogurt too.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed
 into their food.  Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too.  And if the cats
 happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with
 real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
 
 Hi Marcia,
 I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill
 the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to
 leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer.  I had one little FeLV
 pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox.  She was
 vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI.
 Big mistake, I didn't know any better.  The URI was not cleared, just
 masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of
 weeks later.  When her positive brother started getting sick soon
 after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for
 months (5, 6?) just in case.  He never had any bowel problems from it.
  My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing
 it for such a healthy cat.  Had I left his sister on it (and not
 vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less
 exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into
 FIP and killed her.
 
 Best wishes,
 Beth
 
 On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda
 marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
  Terri
 ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
  indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone.
 What
  are you opinions??
 
  Take care everyone
  Marcia
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
gOT TO TRY SOJE OF THOSE LITTLE GUYS!  With all the critters I have roaming 
around my place, I need something.  Come to think of it, all the deer, 
raccoons, possumn, etc. will prbably apprecite them too, also.  At least they 
would not be dropping them off to get on my guys.


 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some 
 nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from 
 online.  I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can 
 testify to them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through 
 the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the 
 mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were 
 in the shipping process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a 
 little leary.  But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring 
 worked great.  Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those 
 little black ants coming in either.  I think I'll be putting them down every 
 year from now on.
 
 I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a 
 lot of time on the ground.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
  From: ho...@sonic.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
  
  Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
  What are they called  where do you get them!
  ~Bonnie
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
  
  No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes 
  around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
  dlg...@windstream.net
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
  
  I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  
  
  It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had 
  been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over 
  a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took 
  Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  
  Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her 
  normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I 
  check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone 
  got a dose of tick treament.  I have since found a lot of them on myself, 
  seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
  
   Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
   I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
   dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
   watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
   Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
   for dogs on it. So
   *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
   first about adjusting the dosage.
   
   Cindy  Angel Jackpot
   
   From: molvey...@hotmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
   Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
   
   
   
   
   It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
   discussing it with my feline asthma group.
   
   Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a 
   cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things 
   ten times worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with 
   no problems.
   Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
   size and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution 
   isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
   fleas.  If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an 
   especially bad year.
   Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes 
   switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a 
   tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is 
   processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
   for so long.  Who knows.  If you've been using Advantage maybe you 
   should 

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the  IFA and Elisa.  It has 
been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie.

 Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you
 can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.
 All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!
 Just think what that would look like all compiled together.
 
 On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote:
 
   You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
  There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life
  and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who
  have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg
  at about 3 months  post years later even though she’d never been exposed to
  the outside or any pos cats…..
 
  ** **
 
  *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
  felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
  *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
** **
 
  I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
 
   
 
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  *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
  Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
 
  New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had
  the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
 
   
 
  *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
  felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
  *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
   
 
  Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT
  mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their
  bone marrow.
 
   Beth
 
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  *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
  I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very
  lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became
  friends overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the
  IFA – they were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them
  could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!
  The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done
  to soon after the positive ELISA.
 
  Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely
  positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother
  will be positive more likely than not.
 
  *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
  felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *April Johnson
  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
   
 
  In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female
  (Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and
  begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after
  being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not
  know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless
  you request it.  Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet
  wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.
  I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare
  bedroom into her home.  She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.
  I think she is lonely being by herself.  A rescue in my area just posted
  about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested
  positive for feline leukemia.  I was thinking of looking for a friend for
  Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV
  positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick
  or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the
  vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is still
  positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
We need to get the word out to everyone includig resuce/sheter people not to go 
with a vet who says kill them.  My vet gave m an option of put them to sleep or 
wait and see.  I am so glad he did.  If I ever move or he retires and I have to 
get a new one, the first thing I will ask is what do you think about positive 
felv?  Sort of on the subject, Missouri University has opened a cancer 
treatment center for animals in Wentzville which is only 15 mles away.  Lots 
better than 300 miles.  If I have to go for chemo for my babies, now I have a 
closer option.  I know they do not say put them down.


 Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: 
 You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!  There 
 are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life and death 
 decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ 
 cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 
 months  post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside 
 or any pos cats…..
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
  
 
 I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
 
  
 
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 http://www.furkids.org/ 
 
  
 
  
 
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 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
 Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
 
 New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
 IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
  
 
 Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
 they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
 marrow.
 
  Beth
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!  
 http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif  www.Furkids.org 
 http://www.furkids.org/ 
 
  
 
  
 
   _  
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
 I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
 lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
 overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
 were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
 been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
 thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
 the positive ELISA.
 
 Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
 positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
 will be positive more likely than not.
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
  
 
 In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
 (Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
 begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after 
 being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not 
 know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless 
 you request it.  Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet 
 wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  
 I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare 
 bedroom into her home.  She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I 
 think she is lonely being by herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about 
 a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested 
 positive for feline leukemia.  I was thinking of looking for a friend for 
 Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV 
 positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick 
 or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the 
 vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is still 
 positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
  
 
 April 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

2011-08-28 Thread Crystal C. Beecher
Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued
from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that
prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still
very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not
improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
When should I re-test?

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the  IFA and Elisa.  It
 has been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie.

  Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
  No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because
 you
  can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.
  All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!
  Just think what that would look like all compiled together.
 
  On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
 wrote:
 
You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
   There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.
  Life
   and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of
 us who
   have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested
 neg
   at about 3 months  post years later even though she’d never been
 exposed to
   the outside or any pos cats…..
  
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   *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
   felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
   *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
   *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
   *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
  
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   I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
  

  
   Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
 http://www.furkids.org/*
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   *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
   *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
   *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
  
   Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA –
 negative.
  
   New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He
 had
   the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
  

  
   *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
   felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
   *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
   *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
  

  
   Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does
 NOT
   mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in
 their
   bone marrow.
  
Beth
  
   Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
 http://www.furkids.org/*
   ***
  

  

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   *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
   *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
   *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
  
   I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was
 very
   lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became
   friends overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using
 the
   IFA – they were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of
 them
   could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to
 FeLV!
   The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was
 done
   to soon after the positive ELISA.
  
   Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another
 definitely
   positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+
 mother
   will be positive more likely than not.
  
   *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
   felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *April Johnson
   *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
   *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
  

  
   In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange
 female
   (Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats
 and
   begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week
 after
   being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did
 not
   know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats
 unless
   you request it.  Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My
 vet
   wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other
 cats.
   I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare
   bedroom into her home.  She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys
 galore.
   I think she is lonely being by herself.  A rescue in my area just
 posted
   about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having