[Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-02-23 Thread Christina Warden
i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
for me thank you tina an kids___
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-02-23 Thread Maureen Olvey

No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
for me thank you tina an kids
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-02-23 Thread Maureen Olvey

Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find one that knows 
more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence.  Find one 
that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and 
treating FeLV.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)







No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
for me thank you tina an kids
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat vomiting, FeLV? was.. (no subject)

2012-02-23 Thread Marta Gasper
What are the other problems your cat has besides vomiting? I assume your vet 
came to the conclusion that your kitty had to be put down b/c he tested 
positive on an in office test? As you have heard that is unaceptable.
Or is your cat quite ill, lethargic, anemic, losing weight and is an in/out 
cat, has he come in contact with other cats with FeLV? How old is he?
Since he was tested he was not vaccinated or his vaccines are overdue?..Please 
tell us more..doesn't seem right that your vet told you he should be euthanized 
b/c he was just vomiting
Marta


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--- On Fri, 2/24/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 4:24 AM






Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find one that knows 
more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence.  Find one 
that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and 
treating FeLV.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain





From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



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No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain





Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind - UPDATE

2012-02-23 Thread dlgegg
Haven't heard lately how Dublin is doing.  Putting Him on my prayer list.  From 
experience, it really does work.

 Anne Myles anne.my...@uni.edu wrote: 
 Well I got surprisingly good news when I stopped at the vet around 5:00!
 Dublin is calmer, he drank and ate well, AND his pupils are showing light
 reflex now!! They constricted and he even flinched away when the vet shone
 the light in his eyes. So at least he should be able to sense light and
 dark, and with this much improvement in one afternoon who knows what there
 will be in a few days?
 
 The vet used inhaled anesthetic, not ketamine.  It's still a mystery to him
 why this happened, and he is *extremely* cutting-edge and educated and
 experienced, and has never seen anything like this. It's not from hypoxia
 as the way they do the anesthetic apparently prevents that (the patient is
 getting oxygen during and after), not hypertension as that would show signs
 in the eye. Maybe something neurologic related to the FeLV?  The vet and I
 are both frustrated not to know, but it's so hopeful that he is getting --
 and feeling -- somewhat better.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat vomiting, FeLV? was.. (no subject)

2012-02-23 Thread dlgegg
I agree, don't give up on him and get another vet's opinion.  Did your vet do 
any tests to determine the cause?  My Casey was upchucking 3 feet from her food 
bowl.  All I had to do was switch from Hill's food to Blue Buffalo whic has no 
corn, wheat or soy in it and she is doing great now. Unless Harley pounces on 
her right after eating.


 Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 What are the other problems your cat has besides vomiting? I assume your vet 
 came to the conclusion that your kitty had to be put down b/c he tested 
 positive on an in office test? As you have heard that is unaceptable.
 Or is your cat quite ill, lethargic, anemic, losing weight and is an in/out 
 cat, has he come in contact with other cats with FeLV? How old is he?
 Since he was tested he was not vaccinated or his vaccines are 
 overdue?..Please tell us more..doesn't seem right that your vet told you he 
 should be euthanized b/c he was just vomiting
 Marta
 
 
 http://homelessnomore.webs.com/
 
 --- On Fri, 2/24/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 4:24 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find one that 
 knows more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence.  
 Find one that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded 
 about FeLV and treating FeLV.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
 
 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 
 
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 No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just 
 because the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does 
 not mean he will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first 
 step.  An indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The 
 vomiting could be from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily 
 related to the FeLV.  
 
 The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, 
 the test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  
 Those test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled 
 correctly.  But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are 
 still other things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a 
 possibility that the cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that 
 get the virus are actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an 
 IFA test will show whether the virus has progressed to the point of no 
 return.  If that test is negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid 
 of the virus so you should wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that 
 test is positive then it's not likely the cat will be able to get rid of the 
 virus so you don't need to do any further testing.
 
 But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
 down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for 
 him.  Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a 
 life because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need 
 to take care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will 
 come.  Like I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  
 Lots of cats vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure 
 what's wrong and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from 
 all the vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't 
 just assume he's throwing up because he has FeLV.
 
 I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness 
 and just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die 
 anytime one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several 
 years.  I've heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually 
 there are some that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a 
 kitten then they don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 
 3 years.  Not all, but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with 
 it for a long time.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat vomiting, FeLV? was.. (no subject)

2012-02-23 Thread MaiMaiPG
I haven't followed this line but ...he may just need a course  
of pepcid.  I have perfectly healthy cats who need this at times.  And  
I have had to change their diets because the food was too rich or  
there was something that just didn't agree with them.  If someone put  
me down every time I threw up, I would have left this world a long  
time ago.  Please consult with a holistic vet in addition to a new  
regular vet.  I took Dixie to one (she was FeLV+) and she had a  
wonderful life.  The reuglar vets and the holistic vet co-operated  
wonderfully.

On Feb 23, 2012, at 11:44 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

I agree, don't give up on him and get another vet's opinion.  Did  
your vet do any tests to determine the cause?  My Casey was  
upchucking 3 feet from her food bowl.  All I had to do was switch  
from Hill's food to Blue Buffalo whic has no corn, wheat or soy in  
it and she is doing great now. Unless Harley pounces on her right  
after eating.



 Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote:
What are the other problems your cat has besides vomiting? I assume  
your vet came to the conclusion that your kitty had to be put down  
b/c he tested positive on an in office test? As you have heard that  
is unaceptable.
Or is your cat quite ill, lethargic, anemic, losing weight and is  
an in/out cat, has he come in contact with other cats with FeLV?  
How old is he?
Since he was tested he was not vaccinated or his vaccines are  
overdue?..Please tell us more..doesn't seem right that your vet  
told you he should be euthanized b/c he was just vomiting

Marta


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--- On Fri, 2/24/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 4:24 AM






Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find  
one that knows more about FeLV and knows that it is not an  
automatic death sentence.  Find one that knows about the different  
types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and treating FeLV.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it  
inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward  
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without  
looking further.” – Mark Twain






From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



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No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.   
Just because the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV  
positive that does not mean he will stay that way.  The test they  
do in the office is a first step.  An indicator that further  
testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be from a lot  
of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.


The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other  
words, the test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small  
percentage of cases.  Those test are sensitive and can show  
incorrect results if not handled correctly.  But, assuming the test  
is showing correct results then there are still other things to  
look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that  
the cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get  
the virus are actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called  
an IFA test will show whether the virus has progressed to the point  
of no return.  If that test is negative then the cat still has a  
chance to get rid of the virus so you should wait a couple months  
or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not likely  
the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to  
do any further testing.


But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to  
put him down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's  
no relief for him.  Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be  
treated, not ending a life because of what could or could not  
happen in the future.  You just need to take care of him and treat  
his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like I said  
above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of  
cats vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to  
figure what's wrong and fix it because you don't want him to become  
dehydrated from all the vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out  
what's wrong and don't just assume he's throwing up because he has  
FeLV.


I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this  
sickness and just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume  
he's going to die anytime one little