Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Lorrie
I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
damn about making money from her!!

Lorrie


On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Kelley Saveika
You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the
cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
him?

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
 the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
 by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
 damn about making money from her!!

 Lorrie


 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
 This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
 by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
 any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
 you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
 you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
 in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
 without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
 have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
 more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
 to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
 as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
 feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
 needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
 tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
 her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
 or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
 I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
 you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
 stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
 gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
 purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16

2012-05-28 Thread S K SUSIE

Charles,

I too am a rescuer so I truly don't understand why someone would want to breed 
their cats.  Do you have any idea how many purebred cats end up in rescue??  It 
isn't ok when so many die.  
You ended up with a felv cat, yeah you were scammed, but what about that 
precious life??  Just think about it.  And neuter your cat and let him be just 
a cat for petes sake.

Shar

We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, 
live within a fragile circle, easily and often breached.

Unable to accept its awful gaps.  We still would have it no other way.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Beth
I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a 
lecture. No apologies.


Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the
cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
him?

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
 the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
 by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
 damn about making money from her!!

 Lorrie


 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
 This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
 by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
 any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
 you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
 you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
 in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
 without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
 have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
 more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
 to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
 as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
 feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
 needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
 tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
 her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
 or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
 I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
 you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
 stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
 gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
 purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Susan Saunders
He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.


From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a 
lecture. No apologies.


Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the
cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
him?

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
 the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
 by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
 damn about making money from her!!

 Lorrie


 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
     This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
     by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
     any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
     you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
     you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
     in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
     without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
     have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
     more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
     to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
     as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living being with
     feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
     needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
     tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
     her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
     or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
     I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
     you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
     stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
     gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
     purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Melinda Kerr
Kelley,  I was thinking the exact same thing. Fairly recently a young lady 
posted, got very little good advice, but a great deal of criticism and then was 
never heard from again. The people of this group have so much to offer.  It is 
a shame to scare off those needing good advice!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for 
 breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on 
 this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the 
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered him 
 to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? 
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
 the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
 by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
 damn about making money from her!!
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
 This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
 by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
 any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
 you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
 you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
 in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
 without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
 have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
 more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
 to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
 as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
 feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
 needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
 tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
 her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
 or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
 I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
 you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
 stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
 gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
 purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Kelley Saveika
Beth,

Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over the
years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could
have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is
going to put anyone on the defensive.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:

 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.

   *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to
 get a lecture. No apologies.


 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
 breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
 this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
 him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
 him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
  I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
  cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
  My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
  cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
  neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
  the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
  by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
  damn about making money from her!!
 
  Lorrie
 
 
  On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
  This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to
 learn
  by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
  any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state
 that
  you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the
 Bengal
  you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you
 had
  in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not
 happy
  without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he
 will
  have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is
 of no
  more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and
 want
  to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell
 him
  as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living being
 with
  feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female,
 she
  needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If she
 still
  tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will
 take
  her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only
 cat
  or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
  I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume
 that
  you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
  stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
  gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people
 will
  purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Beth
I'm not about to apologize for having opinions  voicing them. You breed 
animals you are going to get a lecture from me.

Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

Beth,

Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over the
years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could
have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is
going to put anyone on the defensive.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:

 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.

   *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to
 get a lecture. No apologies.


 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for
 breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on
 this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered
 him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking
 him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
  I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
  cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
  My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
  cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
  neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
  the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
  by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
  damn about making money from her!!
 
  Lorrie
 
 
  On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
  This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to
 learn
  by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
  any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state
 that
  you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the
 Bengal
  you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you
 had
  in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not
 happy
  without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he
 will
  have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is
 of no
  more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and
 want
  to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell
 him
  as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living being
 with
  feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female,
 she
  needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If she
 still
  tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will
 take
  her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only
 cat
  or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
  I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume
 that
  you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
  stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
  gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people
 will
  purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Natalie
If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him 
directly.
I did suggest breed rescue.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

I'm not about to apologize for having opinions  voicing them. You breed 
animals you are going to get a lecture from me.

Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

Beth,

Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over 
the years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps 
he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular 
immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:

 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.

   *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going 
 to get a lecture. No apologies.


 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man 
 for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I 
 doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure 
 how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have 
 steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead 
 of attacking him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
  I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed 
  cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
  My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a 
  cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is 
  neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As 
  for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be 
  adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and 
  won't give a damn about making money from her!!
 
  Lorrie
 
 
  On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
  This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning 
   to
 learn
  by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
  any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You 
   state
 that
  you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that 
   the
 Bengal
  you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  
   you
 had
  in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely 
   not
 happy
  without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever 
   because he
 will
  have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he 
   is
 of no
  more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical 
   and
 want
  to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and 
   sell
 him
  as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living 
   being
 with
  feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little 
   female,
 she
  needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If 
   she
 still
  tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that 
   will
 take
  her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an 
   only
 cat
  or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
  I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I 
   assume
 that
  you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
  stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
  gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  
   people
 will
  purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
 
 And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers 
 they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, 
 that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Ben Williams
I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's idea of a 
joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that 
no one on this list would condone.  

Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him 
 directly.
 I did suggest breed rescue.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 I'm not about to apologize for having opinions  voicing them. You breed 
 animals you are going to get a lecture from me.
 
 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Beth,
 
 Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
 expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
 list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over 
 the years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps 
 he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular 
 immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive.
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.
 
  *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going 
 to get a lecture. No apologies.
 
 
 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man 
 for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I 
 doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure 
 how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have 
 steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead 
 of attacking him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed 
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a 
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is 
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As 
 for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be 
 adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and 
 won't give a damn about making money from her!!
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
   This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning 
 to
 learn
   by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
   any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You 
 state
 that
   you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that 
 the
 Bengal
   you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  
 you
 had
   in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely 
 not
 happy
   without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever 
 because he
 will
   have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he 
 is
 of no
   more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical 
 and
 want
   to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and 
 sell
 him
   as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living 
 being
 with
   feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little 
 female,
 she
   needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If 
 she
 still
   tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that 
 will
 take
   her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an 
 only
 cat
   or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
   I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I 
 assume
 that
   you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
   stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
   gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  
 people
 will
   purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
 
 And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers 
 they can’t complain about it, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Charles Adams
Hello Kelley,
     Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone 
head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily 
for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs 
were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what 
give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is 
important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some 
greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others.

Charles



 From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 

You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for 
breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I doubt he's on this 
list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and 
isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have steered him to some 
resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? 


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed
cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a
cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is
neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for
the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted
by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a
damn about making money from her!!

Lorrie


On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
    This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn
    by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or
    any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You state that
    you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal
    you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  you had
    in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely not happy
    without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever because he will
    have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no
    more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical and want
    to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him
    as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.   Papers or not, he's a living being with
    feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little female, she
    needs  to  be  retested.   She  also needs to be spayed.  If she still
    tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that will take
    her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat
    or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
    I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I assume that
    you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.  Please
    stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and stick to
    gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  people  will
    purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.

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http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16

2012-05-28 Thread Charles Adams





 From: S K SUSIE sksu...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16
 

 
Charles,

I too am a rescuer so I truly don't understand why someone would want to breed 
their cats.  Do you have any idea how many purebred cats end up in rescue??  It 
isn't ok when so many die.  
You ended up with a felv cat, yeah you were scammed, but what about that 
precious life??  Just think about it.  And neuter your cat and let him be just 
a cat for petes sake.

Shar


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, 
live within a fragile circle, easily and often breached.

Unable to accept its awful gaps.  We still would have it no other way.
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