[Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

2012-06-03 Thread Natalie
Hi, everyone;

I thought this might be of interest to you.

One of our older cats (17) - blood tests revealed slight renal problem, for
which my vet recommended a new product RenAvast; there's a lot more info on
it if you search.  http://www.renavast.com/  I contacted them and since I am
a 501 (c) (3) group, they kindly they offered wholesale prices (as to a
vet). Apparently, you can start using it on cats who don't have a problem
yet.

I also started using NutraMin as a supplement for all the cats.

Natalie

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters

2012-06-03 Thread Lee Evans
Around 12 years ago, that was the method San Antonio's Animal Control facility 
used to kill cats and dogs.  They hooked a pick-up truck to an opening in the 
wall of a small room.  They filled the room with unwanted cats and dogs - all 
together, not even separating them by species, and turned on the truck's 
engine.  They then shoveled the animals out onto another pick-up and off to the 
landfill they went.  Some were only half dead.  When this horror was exposed to 
the public, 200 people showed up in a protest rally and kept showing up until a 
regular gas chamber was installed.  Then we had to do it all over to get the 
death by lethal injection method approved. San Antonio is finally realizing 
that death is not the answer at all but they are still using the injection to 
kill.  More advanced thinking people are now trying to get the pound to go 
no-kill.  Unfortunately, most of the officers there are left over from the ugly 
past and catch and kill
 still prevails. But at least the City has recognized TNR as a legitimate way 
to deal with Community Cats (formerly known as ferals).  Maybe someday.




 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters
 
Your place sounds great!  Just wish it was that way all over the world.  I live 
in a rural area and strays don't fare too well.  If they are a problem, they 
get shot, especially cats.  Hunters consider them good practice for hunting 
season.  Just learned couple of months age that one community doesn't have a 
no-kill or kill shelter, they just start up a car and stick their noses in the 
tailpipe - dogs and cats.  A group of us are working on stopping that one.  
Problem is that so many here don't consider that wrong, just one of the facts 
of life.  Wish I could win the sweepstakes, I would take on all orphans and 
strays, human and animal.


 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: 
 We built 4 cat condos in our large garage. They don't sit in cages - those
 are small rooms with cubicles, shelves, scratch posts, etc.  There's
 full-spectrum lighting new  cats, cats that need medications in their food
 (or else others would eat it, or they recuperate from surgeries, dentals,
 spay/neuters..) I also use large cages to acclimate them to a group of cats
 - they get to know one another safely; then I open the door.cats either
 leave or they don't - until they are ready.  Others will come into the cage
 to keep thyme company, etc. We also have a bathroom with a screen door to a
 room where we spend a lot of time - for terminally sick cats or very old
 cats that need special care and don't want them to be alone, or introducing
 cats to the others. We also have a large cat room with outdoor access. A
 FIV+ room,, etc. If no room, then there's always a bathroom to use in an
 emergency.
 
 Unfortunately, many shelters don't even try finding adopters.it's easier to
 just kill them.  We had to force the town shelter to have weekend hours
 because people work. 
 
 Etc. etc. etc.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:51 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the
 stray cats
 
  
 
 They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how
 long. 
 
  
 
 I always pipe up when somebody says that cats sit in cages at shelter/in
 jail, etc..well that is true of kill shelters and some no-kills. And BTW not
 all open policy shelters put the cat in the cage and leave it there.
 
  
 
 No-kills specially know very well that an animal can't live in a cage. I
 don't work at a shelter but am close friends with a nk and several HS's.
 Cats don't do well in cages for an extended period of time. While medicating
 and being socialized, acclimated and other changes, yes, they have to be.
 
 But it is dangerous actually to hold animals in cages b/c of stress which
 leads to disease. They know that or should know it.
 
 Depending on room cats are taken out of the cages and let roam in rooms,
 ussualy are in for the night. At the no-kill the only cats in cages are sick
 ones or baby kittens. Even fractious cats they separate in groups in small
 rooms. For instance one year ago the nk shelter took one of my rescue cats,
 she was tame but has a very short fuse. She was in a cage during
 quarantine(10 days) and that was it. Afterwards shared a room with one cat
 she could bear, doesn't like much other cats.
 
 She'd swipe at people too so she needed an understanding owner, finally last
 week that family showed up and she was adopted.
 
 In your situation I'd ask a  no-kill shelter, true most are full but you
 never know. Unless you wish to keep all the cats, which probably for them is
 the best alternative. Where are you at?
 
 Marta
 
  
 
  
 
  

[Felvtalk] FW: Cat shelters

2012-06-03 Thread Natalie
I hope they don't use the heart stick method on cats.brutal!

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters

 

Around 12 years ago, that was the method San Antonio's Animal Control
facility used to kill cats and dogs.  They hooked a pick-up truck to an
opening in the wall of a small room.  They filled the room with unwanted
cats and dogs - all together, not even separating them by species, and
turned on the truck's engine.  They then shoveled the animals out onto
another pick-up and off to the landfill they went.  Some were only half
dead.  When this horror was exposed to the public, 200 people showed up in a
protest rally and kept showing up until a regular gas chamber was installed.
Then we had to do it all over to get the death by lethal injection method
approved. San Antonio is finally realizing that death is not the answer at
all but they are still using the injection to kill.  More advanced thinking
people are now trying to get the pound to go no-kill.  Unfortunately, most
of the officers there are left over from the ugly past and catch and kill
still prevails. But at least the City has recognized TNR as a legitimate way
to deal with Community Cats (formerly known as ferals).  Maybe someday.

 

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[Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

2012-06-03 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . .

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From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of
the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely
permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the
way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive
(life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement.   This I
gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion
fatigue in the animal care community:
http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076



On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Around 12 years ago, that was the method San Antonio's Animal Control
 facility used to kill cats and dogs.  They hooked a pick-up truck to an
 opening in the wall of a small room.  They filled the room with unwanted
 cats and dogs - all together, not even separating them by species, and
 turned on the truck's engine.  They then shoveled the animals out onto
 another pick-up and off to the landfill they went.  Some were only half
 dead.  When this horror was exposed to the public, 200 people showed up in
 a protest rally and kept showing up until a regular gas chamber was
 installed.  Then we had to do it all over to get the death by lethal
 injection method approved. San Antonio is finally realizing that death is
 not the answer at all but they are still using the injection to kill.  More
 advanced thinking people are now trying to get the pound to go no-kill.
 Unfortunately, most of the officers there are left over from the ugly past
 and catch and kill still prevails. But at least the City has recognized TNR
 as a legitimate way to deal with Community Cats (formerly known as
 ferals).  Maybe someday.

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life: http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

2012-06-03 Thread Lee Evans
The problem here is that I'm in Texas.  Killing is the State Sport. 
Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new 
rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats.  They 
are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are 
spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in 
the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT 
included in the cat limit rule.  They recently reduced the number of cats/dogs 
allowed to 8 from 10.  This makes no sense except when you realize that they 
will now charge for an excess animal permit.  Then it makes sense to reduce 
the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit and have to 
purchase the permit.  Nasty little tricks.  People who have received a citation 
in the past for having over the permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited 
from purchasing the permit.  More
 nonsense.  It would help if all the ACO's were required to read the new codes 
and then be tested on whether or not they understand them.  The citizens of 
this city don't know the rules either.  Cat haters are terrorizing cat caring 
neighbors, threatening them with reporting them when there's nothing to report 
because the cat caregivers are actually in compliance.  I think that ignorance 
is our worst enemy. Even when we get good ordinances, they don't work because 
no one knows about them.




 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd:  Cat shelters
 

I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . .


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From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the 
pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently 
mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers 
are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to 
change their attitudes, or retirement.   This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big 
proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: 
http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 
 










 

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Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

2012-06-03 Thread dlgegg
Wonder if this would help my Homey - she has sturvite crystals.  Keeps coming 
back.

 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Hi, everyone;
 
 I thought this might be of interest to you.
 
 One of our older cats (17) - blood tests revealed slight renal problem, for
 which my vet recommended a new product RenAvast; there's a lot more info on
 it if you search.  http://www.renavast.com/  I contacted them and since I am
 a 501 (c) (3) group, they kindly they offered wholesale prices (as to a
 vet). Apparently, you can start using it on cats who don't have a problem
 yet.
 
 I also started using NutraMin as a supplement for all the cats.
 
 Natalie
 
  
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

2012-06-03 Thread dlgegg
That sounds like Lincoln County, Mo.  Everyone thinks I am crazy for having 7 
cats and actually taking them to the vet when they are ill.  And I let them 
come into the house!  My nickname around here is Crazy Cat Lady.  


 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 The problem here is that I'm in Texas.  Killing is the State Sport. 
 Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new 
 rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats.  
 They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who 
 are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats 
 in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT 
 included in the cat limit rule.  They recently reduced the number of 
 cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10.  This makes no sense except when you realize 
 that they will now charge for an excess animal permit.  Then it makes sense 
 to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit 
 and have to purchase the permit.  Nasty little tricks.  People who have 
 received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of 
 cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit.  More
  nonsense.  It would help if all the ACO's were required to read the new 
 codes and then be tested on whether or not they understand them.  The 
 citizens of this city don't know the rules either.  Cat haters are 
 terrorizing cat caring neighbors, threatening them with reporting them when 
 there's nothing to report because the cat caregivers are actually in 
 compliance.  I think that ignorance is our worst enemy. Even when we get good 
 ordinances, they don't work because no one knows about them.




 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd:  Cat shelters
 

I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . .


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From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the 
pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently 
mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers 
are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to 
change their attitudes, or retirement.   This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big 
proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: 
http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 
 










 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

2012-06-03 Thread Lee Evans
It's so much easier to slap a label on someone then to ask them why they are 
doing what they are doing.  The problem is that they don't see that the life 
force that is in humans is also in every other living being.  To them, cats are 
rocks.  They can't see beyond their own bare hide to the spirit inside the 
furry hide of a cat, wolf, dog, cow, sheep and other animals.  Even non furry 
beings have a right to live.  They can't seem to get the message that there's 
nothing crazy about caring about or for other individuals on this planet.  Lack 
of awareness is the basis for all racism, ageism and misogyny.  It's 
unfortunate that the brain is fast becoming a vestigial organ.  More soap from 
my soapbox.  




 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd:  Cat shelters
 
That sounds like Lincoln County, Mo.  Everyone thinks I am crazy for having 7 
cats and actually taking them to the vet when they are ill.  And I let them 
come into the house!  My nickname around here is Crazy Cat Lady.  


 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 The problem here is that I'm in Texas.  Killing is the State Sport. 
 Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new 
 rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats.  
 They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who 
 are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats 
 in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT 
 included in the cat limit rule.  They recently reduced the number of 
 cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10.  This makes no sense except when you realize 
 that they will now charge for an excess animal permit.  Then it makes sense 
 to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit 
 and have to purchase the permit.  Nasty little tricks.  People who have 
 received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of 
 cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit.  More
  nonsense. 





From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd:  Cat shelters


I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . .


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From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the 
pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently 
mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers 
are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to 
change their attitudes, or retirement.   This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big 
proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: 
http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 
 










 

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Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

2012-06-03 Thread MaiMaiPG
Can you advise what the costs are and where it can be obtained?  I  
have some older ferals who are not touchable.  This might be of  
interest.  Thanks.
On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
 wrote:


Wonder if this would help my Homey - she has sturvite crystals.   
Keeps coming back.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

Hi, everyone;

I thought this might be of interest to you.

One of our older cats (17) - blood tests revealed slight renal  
problem, for
which my vet recommended a new product RenAvast; there's a lot more  
info on
it if you search.  http://www.renavast.com/  I contacted them and  
since I am
a 501 (c) (3) group, they kindly they offered wholesale prices (as  
to a
vet). Apparently, you can start using it on cats who don't have a  
problem

yet.

I also started using NutraMin as a supplement for all the cats.

Natalie






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Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

2012-06-03 Thread GRAS
I don't know - but what helps one of my FIV+ cats who gets crystal, is
putting apple cider vinegar into the water - good quality, of course, and
start with a drop, slowly build it up to more to acclimate a cat to it.  I
add ACV to my bottles of drinking water - makes the water taste so much
better. I also add Vitamin C in crystal form to the food, in very small
amounts, slowly building up - I mixed it with biotin, now I will mix with
the NutraMin.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

Wonder if this would help my Homey - she has sturvite crystals.  Keeps
coming back.

 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Hi, everyone;
 
 I thought this might be of interest to you.
 
 One of our older cats (17) - blood tests revealed slight renal 
 problem, for which my vet recommended a new product RenAvast; there's 
 a lot more info on it if you search.  http://www.renavast.com/  I 
 contacted them and since I am a 501 (c) (3) group, they kindly they 
 offered wholesale prices (as to a vet). Apparently, you can start using it
on cats who don't have a problem
 yet.
 
 I also started using NutraMin as a supplement for all the cats.
 
 Natalie
 
  
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the stray cats/re[ply

2012-06-03 Thread dot winkler
Hi Marta - I can't keep all the 7 stray cats though I would love to take them 
all home with me! Because they are so cute and have names, too.Maybe if I had a 
large farm!  I have three other cats already at home and one is FIV pos and the 
other FELV pos.  The third is healthy.  I don't think 10 cats in my small cape 
cod house would be good anyways. The two cats i have at home are indoor/outdoor 
cats so I can't bring the strays into my yard either. They would all fight.  I 
will have to do some research about all this as I shudder to think of another 
winter for the strays.  I have built them shelters but they are not heated!  We 
were just lucky this past winter was mild with little snow.  I shudder to think 
of an ice storm or something.  i don't know if they would all make it or not.  



 From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the stray 
cats
 

They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how long. 
 
I always pipe up when somebody says that cats sit in cages at shelter/in jail, 
etc..well that is true of kill shelters and some no-kills. And BTW not all open 
policy shelters put the cat in the cage and leave it there.
 
No-kills specially know very well that an animal can't live in a cage. I don't 
work at a shelter but am close friends with a nk and several HS's. Cats don't 
do well in cages for an extended period of time. While medicating and being 
socialized, acclimated and other changes, yes, they have to be.
But it is dangerous actually to hold animals in cages b/c of stress which leads 
to disease. They know that or should know it.
Depending on room cats are taken out of the cages and let roam in rooms, 
ussualy are in for the night. At the no-kill the only cats in cages are sick 
ones or baby kittens. Even fractious cats they separate in groups in small 
rooms. For instance one year ago the nk shelter took one of my rescue cats, she 
was tame but has a very short fuse. She was in a cage during quarantine(10 
days) and that was it. Afterwards shared a room with one cat she could bear, 
doesn't like much other cats.
She'd swipe at people too so she needed an understanding owner, finally last 
week that family showed up and she was adopted.
In your situation I'd ask a  no-kill shelter, true most are full but you never 
know. Unless you wish to keep all the cats, which probably for them is the best 
alternative. Where are you at?
Marta
 
 
http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

 
I was going to suggest a ramp, but alas, the coons could also use it.  

RE:  taking them to a no kill shelter, if it is like the ones around here, they 
are not able to take on any more dogs or cats.  Everyone who has lost ajob, 
home and has to move in with relatives, brings their animals to the shelter.  
You are right, they would have to spend some time there especially if they are 
not socialized.  That takes time and that means time in cages.  I took 2 from 
P.A.L.S..  I had gone to see about 1 cat and ended up with both Lil Bit and 
Casey.  They had been in an 8 x 10 cage with about 6 or 8 other cats for over a 
year.  Lil Bit is just now moving around the house because she is so small 
(6lbs) and timid and Casey is getting used to NOT being allowed to bully 
everyone.  I just wish people would bring a short letter giving
 information about their pets so the adopter would understand why they are the 
way they are.  Often they are misunderstood and end up back at the shelter 
because people do not have the patience to try to understand them


 dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Speaking of all this about the raccoon, anyways, wish I could find homes for 
 the 7 cats i feed every day.  They are all so beautiful and quite healthy 
 looking with all the meat i feed them and the dry food.  At least 3 of them 
 are very friendly and the others are coming around, too.  Anyone have any 
 input about how to place these cats?  I hate to bring them to a shelter even 
 if it's no kill.  They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god 
 knows how long.  It's very hard feeding every day.  It's just me and my 
 husband.  We can
 never go away anywhere now because of it.  What are your experiences?  Dotty






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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY

2012-06-03 Thread dot winkler
Hi.  I was the one who wrote that e-mail.  I just read your response.  I'm 
telling you that the cats are afraid to go in there now - into the bin with the 
dry food now that I have started refilling it.  They are not even eating it.  
It is fresh food  as i just refilled it.  I tried to coax one of the cats to go 
in and he backed off.  They are skiddish lately.  Because that raccoon was so 
large and not afraid of anything - it was running around in the area where 
their little houses were and coming right up to their meat while they were 
eating in daytime hours.  Perhaps it is the skunk smell that also is around but 
that never seemed to bother them in the past.  ???Dotty



 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

I can't find the email from someone who thinks that the cats are avoiding the 
food because the feeding dish/station smells from raccoon.  This is definitely 
NOT the cause of the cats avoiding the food.  It's probably the food.  It may 
be stale or they are just tired of the flavor.  When I was feeding colonies, 
the cats and raccoons were eating side by side, except when a raccoon got too 
greedy and chased the cats away.  But the cats always returned to what was left 
of the food and finished it off.


From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Door on a timer?  However, my bet is on the coons.

On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi - well, I don't think I can bring the dry food in at night.  Because i would 
have to make two trips to the cat area, instead of one.  One trip is to bring 
the meat to them.  If I did that in the evening then I could bring in the dry 
food but then i would have to come the next morning to put the dry food back 
and then another time that day to bring it in again.  I live the next town over 
and work schedule is rough so once a day is pushing it as it  is!  Thanks for 
all your suggestions.  What did you mean about the RAMP?  I was not sure I 
understood.  Just thought of something - wouldn't it be cool if I could devise 
a door that would shut automatically each night so nothing could get in the dry 
food station and then open in the morning!  L.O.L.  dotty


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY

2012-06-03 Thread MaiMaiPG

I don't doubt it.  Can you move the feeding station?
On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:50 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi.  I was the one who wrote that e-mail.  I just read your  
response.  I'm telling you that the cats are afraid to go in there  
now - into the bin with the dry food now that I have started  
refilling it.  They are not even eating it.  It is fresh food  as i  
just refilled it.  I tried to coax one of the cats to go in and he  
backed off.  They are skiddish lately.  Because that raccoon was so  
large and not afraid of anything - it was running around in the area  
where their little houses were and coming right up to their meat  
while they were eating in daytime hours.  Perhaps it is the skunk  
smell that also is around but that never seemed to bother them in  
the past.  ???Dotty


From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

I can't find the email from someone who thinks that the cats are  
avoiding the food because the feeding dish/station smells from  
raccoon.  This is definitely NOT the cause of the cats avoiding the  
food.  It's probably the food.  It may be stale or they are just  
tired of the flavor.  When I was feeding colonies, the cats and  
raccoons were eating side by side, except when a raccoon got too  
greedy and chased the cats away.  But the cats always returned to  
what was left of the food and finished it off.


From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

Door on a timer?  However, my bet is on the coons.
On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi - well, I don't think I can bring the dry food in at night.   
Because i would have to make two trips to the cat area, instead of  
one.  One trip is to bring the meat to them.  If I did that in the  
evening then I could bring in the dry food but then i would have to  
come the next morning to put the dry food back and then another  
time that day to bring it in again.  I live the next town over and  
work schedule is rough so once a day is pushing it as it  is!   
Thanks for all your suggestions.  What did you mean about the  
RAMP?  I was not sure I understood.  Just thought of something -  
wouldn't it be cool if I could devise a door that would shut  
automatically each night so nothing could get in the dry food  
station and then open in the morning!  L.O.L.  dotty




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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY

2012-06-03 Thread dlgegg
My guys won't go near a raccoon, just back off and let it go its way.  Curse, a 
skunk could keep them away because of any smell left behind.  Maybe it has gone 
away enough so we can't smell it, but a cat has a better sense of smell than we 
do.
 MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I don't doubt it.  Can you move the feeding station?
 On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:50 PM, dot winkler wrote:
 
  Hi.  I was the one who wrote that e-mail.  I just read your  
  response.  I'm telling you that the cats are afraid to go in there  
  now - into the bin with the dry food now that I have started  
  refilling it.  They are not even eating it.  It is fresh food  as i  
  just refilled it.  I tried to coax one of the cats to go in and he  
  backed off.  They are skiddish lately.  Because that raccoon was so  
  large and not afraid of anything - it was running around in the area  
  where their little houses were and coming right up to their meat  
  while they were eating in daytime hours.  Perhaps it is the skunk  
  smell that also is around but that never seemed to bother them in  
  the past.  ???Dotty
 
  From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
  I can't find the email from someone who thinks that the cats are  
  avoiding the food because the feeding dish/station smells from  
  raccoon.  This is definitely NOT the cause of the cats avoiding the  
  food.  It's probably the food.  It may be stale or they are just  
  tired of the flavor.  When I was feeding colonies, the cats and  
  raccoons were eating side by side, except when a raccoon got too  
  greedy and chased the cats away.  But the cats always returned to  
  what was left of the food and finished it off.
 
  From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
  Door on a timer?  However, my bet is on the coons.
  On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dot winkler wrote:
 
  Hi - well, I don't think I can bring the dry food in at night.   
  Because i would have to make two trips to the cat area, instead of  
  one.  One trip is to bring the meat to them.  If I did that in the  
  evening then I could bring in the dry food but then i would have to  
  come the next morning to put the dry food back and then another  
  time that day to bring it in again.  I live the next town over and  
  work schedule is rough so once a day is pushing it as it  is!   
  Thanks for all your suggestions.  What did you mean about the  
  RAMP?  I was not sure I understood.  Just thought of something -  
  wouldn't it be cool if I could devise a door that would shut  
  automatically each night so nothing could get in the dry food  
  station and then open in the morning!  L.O.L.  dotty
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

2012-06-03 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Also check out this page: http://www.holisticat.com/flutd.html

Renavast is supplements (amino acids, mostly), not a drug, so if you're
going the natural way, you may as well check out the above.   People around
here (Los Angeles) have had really good results.  One of my vets endorses
it.   The Holisticat folks, however, are concerned that the company will
not reveal the ingredients until they get a patent or whatever.   However,
I don't know of what amino acids may be harmful to cats.

Do you test Homey's urine for pH?   I've found that (raw) beef will get the
acidity within desired range, whereas chicken does not.   I had a cat with
crystals that went away after being on a good raw diet for a while.   BTW,
Vitamin C did nothing to help.


On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Wonder if this would help my Homey - she has sturvite crystals.  Keeps
 coming back.

  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
  Hi, everyone;
 
  I thought this might be of interest to you.
 
  One of our older cats (17) - blood tests revealed slight renal problem,
 for
  which my vet recommended a new product RenAvast; there's a lot more info
 on
  it if you search.  http://www.renavast.com/  I contacted them and since
 I am
  a 501 (c) (3) group, they kindly they offered wholesale prices (as to a
  vet). Apparently, you can start using it on cats who don't have a
 problem
  yet.
 
  I also started using NutraMin as a supplement for all the cats.
 
  Natalie
 
 
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

2012-06-03 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
You get it via mail from Torrance, CA.   http://www.renavast.com/order-now
It costs around 50 cents/cap and comes in 60 capsule bottles.

Are you free feeding the ferals (outside?)?   When I consulted with someone
about giving it to my colonies (because people feed them kibble and some
are getting sick as a result), they said the company recommends specific
doses.  I don't see why what with the product being amino acids, why it has
to be so specific, but maybe they have good reason.   You should consult
with the company directly if you can't regulate the dose.  Let us know what
they say.  ;-)
customerserv...@renavast.com


On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 3:31 PM, MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you advise what the costs are and where it can be obtained?  I have
 some older ferals who are not touchable.  This might be of interest.
  Thanks.

 On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 wrote:

  Wonder if this would help my Homey - she has sturvite crystals.  Keeps
 coming back.

  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Hi, everyone;

 I thought this might be of interest to you.

 One of our older cats (17) - blood tests revealed slight renal problem,
 for
 which my vet recommended a new product RenAvast; there's a lot more info
 on
 it if you search.  http://www.renavast.com/  I contacted them and since
 I am
 a 501 (c) (3) group, they kindly they offered wholesale prices (as to a
 vet). Apparently, you can start using it on cats who don't have a
 problem
 yet.

 I also started using NutraMin as a supplement for all the cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

2012-06-03 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
What do you mean by ``rules''?   Laws?   If they are not in compliance with
laws, then turn them in.   (Of course, if you're a rescuer pulling from
these pounds, then you have to protect yourself using the federal law
Section 1982: http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=728

As for the citizens, put ads in the papers, and maybe even send out
informative flyers (ask for the money to do so via a Chipin).

You can also try to get social media attention via the various animal blogs
that push shelter reform, e.g., YesBiscuit!.

Who holds the contract with the pound?

Don't give up.   It may take years, and we're seeing progress even in TX.

Probably the moderator would like us to take this offline by now. . .

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 The problem here is that I'm in Texas.  Killing is the State Sport.
 Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new
 rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats.
 They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats
 who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting
 these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that
 they are NOT included in the cat limit rule.  They recently reduced the
 number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10.  This makes no sense except when
 you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit.  Then
 it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now
 over the limit and have to purchase the permit.  Nasty little tricks.
 People who have received a citation in the past for having over the
 permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit.
 More nonsense.  It would help if all the ACO's were required to read the
 new codes and then be tested on whether or not they understand them.  The
 citizens of this city don't know the rules either.  Cat haters are
 terrorizing cat caring neighbors, threatening them with reporting them when
 there's nothing to report because the cat caregivers are actually in
 compliance.  I think that ignorance is our worst enemy. Even when we get
 good ordinances, they don't work because no one knows about them.

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 *Sent:* Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

 I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . .

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: *Kathryn Hargreaves* khargrea...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


 One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of
 the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely
 permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the
 way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive
 (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement.   This I
 gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion
 fatigue in the animal care community:
 http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076





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to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

2012-06-03 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Speciesism, too.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It's so much easier to slap a label on someone then to ask them why they
 are doing what they are doing.  The problem is that they don't see that the
 life force that is in humans is also in every other living being.  To them,
 cats are rocks.  They can't see beyond their own bare hide to the spirit
 inside the furry hide of a cat, wolf, dog, cow, sheep and other animals.
 Even non furry beings have a right to live.  They can't seem to get the
 message that there's nothing crazy about caring about or for other
 individuals on this planet.  Lack of awareness is the basis for all racism,
 ageism and misogyny.  It's unfortunate that the brain is fast becoming a
 vestigial organ.  More soap from my soapbox.

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 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Cc:* Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 3, 2012 6:09 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

 That sounds like Lincoln County, Mo.  Everyone thinks I am crazy for
 having 7 cats and actually taking them to the vet when they are ill.  And I
 let them come into the house!  My nickname around here is Crazy Cat Lady.


  Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
  The problem here is that I'm in Texas.  Killing is the State Sport.
 Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new
 rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats.
 They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats
 who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting
 these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that
 they are NOT included in the cat limit rule.  They recently reduced the
 number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10.  This makes no sense except when
 you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit.  Then
 it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now
 over the limit and have to purchase the permit.  Nasty little tricks.
 People who have received a citation in the past for having over the
 permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit.
 More
   nonsense.




 
 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd:  Cat shelters


 I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . .


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


 One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of
 the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely
 permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the
 way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive
 (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement.   This I
 gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion
 fatigue in the animal care community:
 http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076







 
 
 
 
 
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Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY

2012-06-03 Thread Lee Evans
It probably IS the raccoon.  They took one look and said to themselves, Don't 
mess with that guy!!  You might want to spray something like At Ease on the 
new feeder but don't get it into the food.  Just give the outside walls of the 
bin a little spritz.  I spray At Ease in my cat carriers an hour or so before I 
put a cat in to go to the vet.  It really makes a difference.  I don't think 
it's the skunks. Mostly, cats don't mind that odor because they are too 
intelligent and polite to get themselves sprayed.  It's dogs who will bounce up 
to a skunk, barking like crazy and end up having to take a bath in tomato 
juice. :-)




 From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY
 

Hi.  I was the one who wrote that e-mail.  I just read your response.  I'm 
telling you that the cats are afraid to go in there now - into the bin with the 
dry food now that I have started refilling it.  They are not even eating it.  
It is fresh food  as i just refilled it.  I tried to coax one of the cats to go 
in and he backed off.  They are skittish lately.  Because that raccoon was so 
large and not afraid of anything - it was running around in the area where 
their little houses were and coming right up to their meat while they were 
eating in daytime hours.  Perhaps it is the skunk smell that also is around but 
that never seemed to bother them in the past.  ???Dotty


 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

I can't find the email from someone who thinks that the cats are avoiding the 
food because the feeding dish/station smells from raccoon.  This is definitely 
NOT the cause of the cats avoiding the food.  It's probably the food.  It may 
be stale or they are just tired of the flavor.  When I was feeding colonies, 
the cats and raccoons were eating side by side, except when a raccoon got too 
greedy and chased the cats away.  But the cats always returned to what was left 
of the food and finished it off.


From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Door on a timer?  However, my bet is on the coons.


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