Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Lorrie
I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to
see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when
I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so HE
 stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. 
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals
 so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kittens testing positive

2012-10-02 Thread Lorrie
Janine,
There really is no way to be absolutely certain some of those other 
kittens weren't exposed to FelV.  The only thing you can do is isolate
the FelV kitten and retest them all in 3 months. Often they retest neg.
I do rescue work and at the moment I am holding 4 FelV kittens who are 
5 months old. Almost past the age of easily being adopted.  Fortunately
I have my own large santuary where they are isolated in a separate space,
NO CAGES, I think cages stresse them out, and stress is bad for FelV cats. 
The cats have individual rooms and lots of toys, climbing posts, window
ledges etc.  Anyway these kittens have never been sick a day, they just
carry the virus from their mother.  I am hoping they will test negative
at the end of October.

Lorrie

On 10-01, janine paton wrote:
 Hello,
  
 I joined this list years ago, and have now needed to rejoin.  Trying to find 
 testing protocol for FeLV and an explanation for it. 
 
 I am with a rescue grp and we have just started trapping in a colony that had 
 30 
 kittens last year and none of them tested pos.  We just took 9 kittens within 
 a 
 few days, and are close to having all of the adults neutered.  There were a 
 few 
 newcomers - mostly toms. 
 
 All kittens tested neg until Bella, who tested a weak pos with Elysa sent out 
 to 
 lab.  Moms were all mixed up in this colony, everyone taking care of each 
 other's kittens.  
 
 A 2nd vet did IFA test a few days after Bella's pos results, which I 
 understand 
 is too soon, but having a hard time trying to explain this!  
 
 My concern is that even if all the kittens tested neg except Bella, that 
 doesn't 
 mean in a few weeks the same kittens would not retest pos.  My thinking is 
 that 
 more than one may have been exposed recently enough that the test might not 
 be 
 positive last wk, but may be tomorrow? 
 
 Another vet thinks I am over thinking/reacting and we should just adopt out 
 the 
 ones that have tested neg right around the same time Bella tested positive. 
 
 Looking for guidance - 
 
 Thank you, 
 Janine
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Natalie
I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

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Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Joslin Potter
I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin

 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Natalie
It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn't
really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.
Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because
hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and
because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I'm sure that
you will notice that the population doesn't really go down in the long run.
I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer
biology/reproduction.  Natalie

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Joslin Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as
keeping population under control. -Joslin

 

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting


I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do 
you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, 
again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase 
linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from 
licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the 
states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat 
Natalie?

 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  

It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really 
lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  Next year, 
there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages 
and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage 
deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that you will notice that the 
population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  I have made it my business 
to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction.  Natalie
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin
 
From:Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Lorrie
Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Heather
This just happened not far from us, our cat community is very upset and the
person removed the tip of the arrow to avoid identification.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19661631/2012/09/27/cat-shot-with-arrow-recovering#.UGWrSCitdWc.facebook

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies
 a
 slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we
 had
 to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I
 was
 upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

 Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
 should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
 killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

 On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
 I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
 season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
 To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer,
 and
 the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
 wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
 healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
 enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Natalie
No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to 
research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin 
or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact, predators are better 
hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, 
thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result 
of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best 
specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals.

No, I do not eat any meat.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do 
you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, 
again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase 
linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from 
licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the 
states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat 
Natalie?

 

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting





It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really 
lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  Next year, 
there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages 
and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage 
deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that you will notice that the 
population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  I have made it my business 
to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction.  Natalie

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin

 

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting


I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really
old type spear.  Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that
means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that
has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all
depending on where the deer is shot).  A friend in Iowa fed one such deer
with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there
- she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet.  It took a whole
year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 
The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between!  Most is trophy
hunting!
Natalie

-Original Message-
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Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
The person who had the experience with Braveheart is actually a member, and
I joined at her suggestion because I had two FeLV+ cats at the time.
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: GRAS [mailto:g...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:01 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really
old type spear.  Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that
means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that
has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all
depending on where the deer is shot).  A friend in Iowa fed one such deer
with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there
- she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet.  It took a whole
year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 
The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between!  Most is trophy
hunting!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species
will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat,
despite predation (of any sort).   This is why if you want to reduce a
species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized
ones take up some of that capacity.


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 *No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point!
 According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while
 hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact,
 predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals,
 while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool –
 healthier animals are not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms
 by mating the best with the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy
 animals.*

 *No, I do not eat any meat.*

 ** **

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Joslin Potter
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:44 PM

 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 ** **

 I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
 season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To
 each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the
 people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild
 life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy
 population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the
 rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

 ** **

 *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting



 

 *It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t
 really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.
 Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because
 hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and
 because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure
 that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long
 run.  I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer
 biology/reproduction.  Natalie*

 * *

 *From:* Felvtalk 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Joslin Potter
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

  

 I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as
 keeping population under control. -Joslin

  

 *From:* Natalie at...@optonline.net
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 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting


 I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
 innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
 domestic animals, even farm animals.
 An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
 old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lorrie
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
 hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
 hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


 Lorrie

 On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
  and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so
  HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
  Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are
  animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Marcia
Yes, they are.

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On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
 keeping population under control. -Joslin
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
 innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
 domestic animals, even farm animals.
 An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
 old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lorrie
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
 hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
 hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.
 
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
  and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
  HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
  Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
  animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Marcia
There are several of us on this list who do not eat meat and believe that 
animals have the right to a life apart from what humans think they're here for, 
i.e. simply to feed humans or be used as a sporting event.

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On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, 
 do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their 
 own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do 
 purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding 
 from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in 
 the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat 
 meat Natalie?
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t 
 really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  
 Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because 
 hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and 
 because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that 
 you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  
 I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer 
 biology/reproduction.  Natalie
  
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Joslin Potter
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
 I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
 keeping population under control. -Joslin
  
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
 innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
 domestic animals, even farm animals.
 An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
 old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lorrie
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
 hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
 hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.
 
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
  and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
  HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
  Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
  animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Marcia
Yeah Natalie!!! (-:

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t 
 really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  
 Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because 
 hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and 
 because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that 
 you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  
 I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer 
 biology/reproduction.  Natalie
  
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Joslin Potter
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
 I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
 keeping population under control. -Joslin
  
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
 innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
 domestic animals, even farm animals.
 An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
 old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lorrie
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
 hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
 hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.
 
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
  and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
  HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
  Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
  animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
  
 
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[Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a 
biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts 
go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their 
fetuses.  Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may 
seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) 
regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were 
available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition.

The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been 
able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at 
the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring 
back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting 
licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will 
level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite 
predation (of any sort).   This is why if you want to reduce a species' 
population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up 
some of that capacity.

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to 
research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin 
or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact, predators are better 
hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, 
thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result 
of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best 
specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals.

No, I do not eat any meat.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:44 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do 
you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, 
again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase 
linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from 
licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the 
states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat 
Natalie?

It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really 
lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  Next year, 
there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages 
and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage 
deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that you will notice that the 
population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  I have made it my business 
to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction.  Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin





 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
In CT and many other states they are no longer required to have IDs on
arrows - it was fought tooth and nail because they didn't want to be
identified as bad marksmen!

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Heather
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

This just happened not far from us, our cat community is very upset and the
person removed the tip of the arrow to avoid identification.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19661631/2012/09/27/cat-shot-with-arrow-r
ecovering#.UGWrSCitdWc.facebook

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!


On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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