Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-17 Thread Lee Evans
Long time ago, before the radiation therapy for hyperthyroidism came here from 
Houston, one of my tiny calicos began having thyroid issues, ate a lot, lost 
weight, tested and had it.  At that time, they were still doing surgery.  I 
went to a very expensive cat specialist who I will not name because he treated 
me like dinosaurs used to treat women, like I did not have a brain.  However, 
he was an excellent surgeon and Cutie Pie lived several more years without 
losing another ounce of weight.  She didn't gain much either but she had always 
been a slim cat.  She passed of old age.  

There is also the transdermal treatment with the same meds as the pill has.  I 
was very unsuccessful with treating Vinney that way.  He was not a candidate 
for radiation therapy because of the money involved and also because he lost 
weight so rapidly that he became weakened and the vet said that since he was 
over 15 years old, the treatment would not extend his life or quality of life 
much.  Vinney passed away two years ago.


 
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too!





 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
 

 
We had one cat with hyperthyroidism and we did the one time iodine treatment, 
brought him home 4 days later and he has been great ever since.  We did not 
want to force pills down his gullet twice a day for the rest of his life.  Plus 
there was the cost factor, $1,000 a year for the rest of his life or one time 
$1,675 treatment.  We opted for the one time treatment.
 

 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:31:49 -0500
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
 
 I had 2 cats with hyper thyroid.  Shallie i took to Missou at Columbia and 
 had to leave her there for 3 weeks because she was radioactive.  Convinced 
 them to let me bring her home early after I agreed to keep her seperate for 
 the others and dispose of her litter safely.  She was on Tapazole, but it did 
 not do much good as she kept spitting them out when I was not looking.  I 
 kept finding little white pills all over.  Second was her brother 1 year 
 later.  I decided not to pursue treatment considering results with Shallie.  
 She lost much of her hair, never was able to ut on wieight and every time she 
 sneezed, it was blood.  Like the meds were a blood thinner.  She was 
 miserable and I did not want to ut tigger thru that.
 
 
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
  BTW – Re :HYPERTHYROIDISM – my vet told me that RadioCat has a 4-month, ½
  price special for radioiodine treatments, starting Nov. 1 – performed at
  area veterinary clinics on East Coast, check with them if it’s going on in
  other areas.  I’ve had bad experiences with Tapazole/Methimazole….and this
  would be a lot cheaper in the long run!  Have had 3 cats done, and 2 more
  are getting it done by RadioCat (www.RadioCat.com ) at a super price.
  
  
  
  My new email address is:atia@gmail.com
  
  
  
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
  Evans
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:58 AM
  To: felvtalk
  Subject: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
  
  
  
  Costco's Kirkland is excellent.  Unfortunately, it just went up in price a
  dollar and fifty cents more to $18.99.  It was about $17.59 a couple of
  weeks ago but it's still the best deal around for 25 pounds of good quality
  cat food.  I began feeding it again to my inside rescues because they were
  losing weight after we moved out of San Antonio to Comal County to get away
  from the ACO's who were constantly giving me citations for too many cats.
  Anyway, cats are not good with moving from a known to an unknown place.
  Lots of stress, fur loss, weight loss, behavior problems.  I finally have it
  under control thanks to a friend who has her own 501 c 3 and is quite well
  known in the rescue community. I got several adoptions through her
  organization which culled the herd nicely. A couple of my older cats passed
  on from kidney failure, one from cancer (my oldest FIV+ cat who was about
  13) and one from heart disease and a tumor.  I think it was all due to the
  stress of moving and being in a much smaller place. Anyway,  to straighten
  out the fur and weight problem, I bought Kirkland because it has the highest
  fat content of any of the dry foods.  Several months and several bags of
  Kirkland later, one of my cats who was almost bald now has a really nice
  coat (long fur girl, house feral) and the scabs on her skin are gone.  She
  has put on at least a pound, if not two.  The other cats are gaining weight,
  all except one.  He needs a thyroid profile when I get some money.  But he's
  holding his own also.  Of course, my fat cats are getting fatter by the
  minute.  But on the whole, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues

2012-10-17 Thread Lee Evans
It's funny to see my cats dash to the French doors in the cat room and begin 
chirping and twitching their whiskers in excitement over a bird.  Then my 
peacock comes into view and they back away from the door. He's just too much 
bird for them.


 
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too!





 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues
 

My boys chirp when they see birds close up. 

On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Maryam Ulomi wrote:

Thanks, I do try to keep her happy and healthy.
I really hope the breathing issues are not some upper respiratory issues 


Sent from my iPhone.

On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:19, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:


 
I don't think so.  I'm not an expert, but in my experience, these chirping 
sounds mean that kitty is inquisitive and happy.
 
My 2 cents.
 
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Samantha, 
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- Original Message - 
From: Maryam Ulomi 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:54   AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues

Hello,
Kitty, the kitten I rescued from a feral mother 6   weeks ago, is making 
some chirping like sounds now. She also does some meowing   and those 
chirping sounds when she jumps around or plays. Is that anything to   be 
concerned about?
Yesterday she did this not panting thing once and then   again this am; I 
have an appointment to see the vet . But does anyone about   such behavior?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues

2012-10-17 Thread Edna Taylor

HA HA HA HA ;)
 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:48:44 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues

It's funny to see my cats dash to the French doors in the cat room and begin 
chirping and twitching their whiskers in excitement over a bird.  Then my 
peacock comes into view and they back away from the door. He's just too much 
bird for them.
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!


From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues
   
My boys chirp when they see birds close up. 
On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Maryam Ulomi wrote:Thanks, I do try to keep her 
happy and healthy.I really hope the breathing issues are
 not some upper respiratory issues 

Sent from my iPhone.
On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:19, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I don't think so.  I'm not an expert, but in my experience, these 
chirping sounds mean that kitty is inquisitive and happy.   My 2 cents.   
=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
=^..^=   - Original Message -   From: Maryam Ulomi   To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:54   AM  
Subject: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues  
Hello,
Kitty, the kitten I rescued from a feral mother 6   weeks ago, is making some 
chirping like sounds now. She also does some meowing   and those chirping 
sounds when she jumps around or
 plays. Is that anything to   be concerned about?
Yesterday she did this not panting thing once and then   again this am; I have 
an appointment to see the vet . But does anyone about   such behavior?

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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-17 Thread Edna Taylor

Rascal has not gained a lot of weight back but he did gain a little and is 
doing well.  Sorry to hear about Cutie Pie and Vinney :( We take our cats to 
Gulf Coast Veterinary Specialists when they need specialized treatment AND what 
many people do not know about is the Care Credit card.  It is a medical credit 
card that can be used both for animals and people :)  Anything over $1,000 is 
one year to 18 months no interest, $500 and under is six months no interest.  
Best credit card we have.
 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:14:16 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

Long time ago, before the radiation therapy for hyperthyroidism came here from 
Houston, one of my tiny calicos began having thyroid issues, ate a lot, lost 
weight, tested and had it.  At that time, they were still doing surgery.  I 
went to a very expensive cat specialist who I will not name because he treated 
me like dinosaurs used to treat women, like I did not have a brain.  However, 
he was an excellent surgeon and Cutie Pie lived several more years without 
losing another ounce of weight.  She didn't gain much either but she had always 
been a slim cat.  She passed of old age.  

There is also the transdermal treatment with the same meds as the pill has.  I 
was very unsuccessful with treating Vinney that way.  He was not a candidate 
for radiation therapy because of the money involved
 and also because he lost weight so rapidly that he became weakened and the vet 
said that since he was over 15 years old, the treatment would not extend his 
life or quality of life much.  Vinney passed away two years ago.

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!


From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 6:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
   




We had one cat with hyperthyroidism and we did the one time iodine treatment, 
brought him home 4 days later and he has been great ever since.  We did not 
want to force pills down his gullet twice a day for the rest of his life.  Plus 
there was the cost factor, $1,000 a year for the rest of his life or one time 
$1,675 treatment.  We opted for the one time treatment.
 
 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:31:49 -0500
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
 
 I had 2 cats with hyper thyroid.  Shallie i took to Missou at Columbia and 
 had to leave her there for 3 weeks because she was radioactive.  Convinced 
 them to let me bring her home early after I agreed to keep her seperate for 
 the others and dispose of her litter safely.  She was on Tapazole, but it did 
 not do
 much good as she kept spitting them out when I was not looking.  I kept 
finding little white pills all over.  Second was her brother 1 year later.  I 
decided not to pursue treatment considering results with Shallie.  She lost 
much of her hair, never was able to ut on wieight and every time she sneezed, 
it was blood.  Like the meds were a blood thinner.  She was miserable and I did 
not want to ut tigger thru that.
 
 
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
  BTW – Re :HYPERTHYROIDISM – my vet told me that RadioCat has a 4-month, ½
  price special for radioiodine treatments, starting Nov. 1 – performed at
  area veterinary clinics on East Coast, check with them if it’s going on in
  other areas.  I’ve had bad experiences with Tapazole/Methimazole….and this
  would be a lot cheaper in the long run!  Have had 3 cats done, and 2 more
  are getting
 it done by RadioCat (www.RadioCat.com ) at a super price.
  
   
  
  My new email address is:atia@gmail.com
  
   
  
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
  Evans
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:58 AM
  To: felvtalk
  Subject: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
  
   
  
  Costco's Kirkland is excellent.  Unfortunately, it just went up in price a
  dollar and fifty cents more to $18.99.  It was about $17.59 a couple of
  weeks ago but it's still the best deal around for 25 pounds of good quality
  cat food.  I began feeding it again to my inside rescues because they were
  losing weight after we moved out of San Antonio to Comal County to get away
  from the ACO's
 who were constantly giving me citations for too many cats.
  Anyway, cats are not good with moving from a known to an unknown place.
  Lots of stress, fur loss, weight loss, behavior problems.  I finally have it
  under control thanks to a friend who has her own 501 c 3 and is quite well
  known in the rescue community. I got several adoptions through her
  organization which culled the herd nicely. A couple of my older cats passed
  on from kidney failure, one from cancer (my oldest FIV+ cat who was about
  13) and one from heart disease and a tumor.  I think it was all due to the
  stress of moving and 

Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues

2012-10-17 Thread Marcia Baronda
Lee
I have a pet emu who totally intimidates my donkeys. It's so funny because they 
like to intimidate everyone else. What they don't know is that my emu wouldn't 
hurt a fly! He's very sweet and gentle!!

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:48 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It's funny to see my cats dash to the French doors in the cat room and begin 
 chirping and twitching their whiskers in excitement over a bird.  Then my 
 peacock comes into view and they back away from the door. He's just too much 
 bird for them.
  
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
 neighbors too!
 
 
 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues
 
 My boys chirp when they see birds close up.   
 On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Maryam Ulomi wrote:
 
 Thanks, I do try to keep her happy and healthy.
 I really hope the breathing issues are not some upper respiratory issues 
 
 Sent from my iPhone.
 
 On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:19, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't think so.  I'm not an expert, but in my experience, these chirping 
 sounds mean that kitty is inquisitive and happy.
  
 My 2 cents.
  
 =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
 Samantha, 
 Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato 
 Vampire =^..^=
 - Original Message -
 From: Maryam Ulomi
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:54 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues
 
 Hello,
 Kitty, the kitten I rescued from a feral mother 6 weeks ago, is making some 
 chirping like sounds now. She also does some meowing and those chirping 
 sounds when she jumps around or plays. Is that anything to be concerned 
 about?
 Yesterday she did this not panting thing once and then again this am; I 
 have an appointment to see the vet . But does anyone about such behavior?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-17 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Yes, per Gavin Nicols' comment on http://www.no-killnews.com/?p=3935 San
Antonio is nowhere near No Kill (90%+), even if they considered FIV+/Felv+
cats healthy, which you indicate they don't: ``For 2012 Fiscal Year to
Date, the healthy and treatable dogs and cats make up 76% of total intake
(in 2011, healthy and treatable was 66% of total intake).''  This is an
issue that needs to be discussed in the No Kill community.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Beth, How wonderful you are.  I had a similar but happier experience.  I
 was known in my city as a rescuer and am on the Board of an animal rights
 organization.  However, I surrendered many cats to the Humane Society, a
 supposedly no-kill shelter in San Antonio, Tx.  Whenever I filled out the
 surrender form, I always added that the cat must be returned to me for any
 reason at any time, whether it was FIV or FeLv or some other situation that
 made the cat unadoptable.  I put it all over the form, told the intake
 people and they agreed.  I knew that they killed FIV+ and FeLv+ cats
 without asking questions.  Most people don't realize this or just don't
 care as long as they can tell themselves that they did their best for the
 cat.  In addition, the HS allows anyone to visit with the cats in
 visitation rooms, small cubicles with cat toys where the cats can be
 handled and potential adopters can get to know them.  This shelter is
 better than most because their intake form does have a place to state that
 the people surrendering the cat can have him/her back in case of something
 that makes the cat unadoptable.  Anyway, one evening the supervising intake
 person called me.  She was near tears.  I hadn't surrendered any cats so I
 wondered what was wrong.  She said that they had gotten in two young,
 gorgeous cats who had tested FIV+ and she was ordered to have them
 euthanized the next day.  She asked me if I would foster, since she knew I
 did not euthanize FIV+ cats.  I had none at the time, but I had about 20
 other cats.  So I told her that if she took the two cats who were occupying
 my spare room at that time and who tested negative for everything, were
 already fixed and had their rabies shots I would take the FIV+ cats.  The
 exchange was made before the shelter opened the next day.  This was
 entirely against the rules but no one complained.  I got Sugar Plum Fairy,
 a lovely blue-eyed white cat who was NOT deaf and Sir Walter, a husky,
 healthy tabby and white boy.  Both were fixed and had their rabies shots.
 That was about 7 years ago. I named the white one Sugar Plum Fairy and the
 tabby and white Sir Walter because he looked regal. Sugar Plum Fairy is
 still with me along with 4 other FIV+ cats who live in separate quarters
 from my main group.  Sir Walter passed a month ago from kidney cancer.  Up
 until a month before he passed, he was a happy, overweight puss with an
 attitude.  Sugar is fine because she has other companions.  I also have two
 FIV+ cats mixed in with my main group because they are lay back
 non-fighters who get along with everyone.  No kill shelters are becoming
 much more aware that FIV and FeLv do not have to be a death sentence for
 cats surrendered to them.  It's so awful that Alev had such a painful
 experience.  This used to be the norm in this country but things are slowly
 changing.  We always have to speak up for the cats and make sure that we
 have an understanding when we surrender one to a shelter that they will
 return the cat if anything is wrong.  Get it in writing and call
 frequently, visit frequently if you can to see how your cat is doing.  The
 two who were exchanged for Sugar and Wally got adopted within two weeks of
 arriving at the shelter.  FIV is not contagious unless the cats get into a
 major biting and fighting situation.  Most FIV+ cats who are neutered do
 not bite and fight since this is behavior during mating season.  However,
 the five cats I have in my special FIV section exhibited some left over
 hostility tendencies from their pre-neuter days.  That's why they are
 separate from my main group.  The two who are mixed in never exhibited even
 a hiss at anyone.


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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
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Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
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[Felvtalk] Help with FeLV Testing please

2012-10-17 Thread Victoria Viau
Hello,

I would be very grateful for any and all advice regarding testing for my
new kitty.

My husband and I weren’t necessarily looking for a fourth kitty, but
recently, we happened to see a kitten from a rescue group.  He had such a
nice personality, and had just recovered from surgery due to a badly
shattered hip bone.  The rescue vet said that the injury in his estimation
was caused by a very hard kick to the kitten’s hip.  He’s had a hard start
to his life.  We adopted him and very much want to give him a good
permanent home.

Right now, this new kitty is segregated from my other 3 cats, as we were
waiting to find out his FeLV and FIV status.  I recently took this kitty to
my vet for the test, after waiting a month and a half from adopting him, to
try to account for any incubation period for the FeLV, as well as waiting
till he was old enough for the FIV test (he is now 6.5 mos old).

My vet recommended a lab ELISA test for the initial screening.  After much
reading, I found out that FeLV regressive infections are pretty common, and
ELISA and IFA do not detect regressive infections, whereas PCR can.
Problem with the commercial lab PCR tests for FeLV is that so far, they has
not been independently evaluated.  After discussing this with my vet, he
was fine with going with either test.

Very happily, the IDEXX real-time PCR test came back negative for both FeLV
and FIV.  Initially my vet said that it would probably be good to also do a
lab ELISA test, to see the results of that test as well, as he advised that
it is still considered to be the major test for screening.  I spoke to my
vet again today, and now he says that he doesn’t think the additional test
is necessary, but that no test is 100% accurate.

I am rather confused, and also rather paranoid to boot because I had a
really bad experience with FeLV more than a decade ago, when I didn’t know
much at all about virus testing.  Back then, I adopted a new kitten who
turned out to be FeLV +, but by the time she had gotten sick and we found
out about her status, she’d been exposed to my other cats, who then also
got the virus and all died shortly thereafter, within a year.  It was a
HORRIFIC experience that still brings me to tears to this day when I
remember what happened.  I really feel for those of you whose kitties are
suffering from this disease.

I would like to take all precautions I can to prevent this from happening
again.  My current 3 adult kitties (5,6, and 7 years old) are healthy and
are FeLV and FIV tested and negative.

So my question is, do you think it would be good for me to get a lab (not
the in-house) ELISA test in addition to the IDEXX real time PCR that was
already done for this new kitty?

Apologies for the long message, any suggestions/advice are greatly
appreciated.
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