Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)

2013-02-07 Thread Beth
Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive 
Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat.
If both tests were negative then she is negative.


 Beth
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 From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
 
Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December 
and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with 
immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and 
doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified 
because the vet was convinced she was felv+. 

This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is 
normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet 
has let the felv diagnosis go now. 

Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about 
the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. 

When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that 
she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart 
that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that 
would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very 
happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and 
reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people 
will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. 

Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed 
to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help 
someone. Thx. Dave

On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not 
 getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is
 
 David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated
 hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for
 parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune
 response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month.
 
 She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own
 blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her
 new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was
 still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well
 despite everything.
 
 She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried
 to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to
 watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her
 back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the
 butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation).
 
 Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I
 read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the
 cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and
 we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage
 collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at
 something toxic.
 
 Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)

2013-02-07 Thread David Arthurs
Only IFA. I'll ask that she be retested with the Elisa too. Thanks for
pointing that out. I thought the IFA was the definitive test but may not be
positive right away when acute symptoms present.

Also a clarification, my Tux as a kitten story was 5 years ago. She's now
an adult. Even back then the vet was ready to destroy her if that snap test
came back positive. Of course the current vet wanted to put her down at the
first positive snap test with anemia. She may not even be infected with
FeLV...but even if she were infected we wouldn't consider that option until
her quality of life was so bad to warrant that (and treating her condition
to give her a fighting chance at some recovery).

Thanks. again. Dave


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A
 positive Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat.
 If both tests were negative then she is negative.


  Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/


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 *From:* Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM

 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)

 Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in
 December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that
 presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with
 prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause
 was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+.

 This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is
 normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the
 vet has let the felv diagnosis go now.

 Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read
 about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our
 pets.

 When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive
 that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in
 my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were
 suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy
 kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels
 as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time).
 Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad.

 Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay
 subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may
 be able to help someone. Thx. Dave

 On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is
 not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is
 
  David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated
  hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for
  parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune
  response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month.
 
  She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her
 own
  blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and
 her
  new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She
 was
  still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing
 well
  despite everything.
 
  She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she
 tried
  to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to
  watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her
  back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the
  butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation).
 
  Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now.
 I
  read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the
  cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago
 (and
  we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage
  collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible
 she at
  something toxic.
 
  Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)

2013-02-07 Thread Beth
Yes, an IFA only tests if it is circulating in the bone marrow, which means 
they are beyond the point of being able to throw it off.
A positive Snap still means they have FeLV, as long as it is administered 
correctly.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about that.

Still, thank you for keeping her.I currently have 4 FeLV's  wouldn't trade 
them for the world!

Beth


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 From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
 

Only IFA. I'll ask that she be retested with the Elisa too. Thanks for pointing 
that out. I thought the IFA was the definitive test but may not be positive 
right away when acute symptoms present.

Also a clarification, my Tux as a kitten story was 5 years ago. She's now an 
adult. Even back then the vet was ready to destroy her if that snap test came 
back positive. Of course the current vet wanted to put her down at the first 
positive snap test with anemia. She may not even be infected with FeLV...but 
even if she were infected we wouldn't consider that option until her quality of 
life was so bad to warrant that (and treating her condition to give her a 
fighting chance at some recovery). 

Thanks. again. Dave



On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive 
Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat.
If both tests were negative then she is negative.




 Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 




 From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
 

Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in 
December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that 
presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with 
prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was 
identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. 

This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is 
normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet 
has let the felv diagnosis go now. 

Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read 
about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. 

When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that 
she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart 
that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering 
that would be
 different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see 
an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I 
thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet 
says...and that is very sad. 

Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed 
to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to 
help someone. Thx. Dave

On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not 
 getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is
 
 David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The official diagnosis/condition from the
 pathologist is immune mediated
 hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for
 parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune
 response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month.
 
 She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own
 blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her
 new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was
 still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well
 despite everything.
 
 She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried
 to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to
 watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her
 back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle
 little nip on the
 butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation).
 
 Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I
 read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the
 cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and
 we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage
 collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at
 something toxic.
 
 Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave
 
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)

2013-02-07 Thread Alev Durmus
What is wrong with the vets? I was not as lucky as David, neither my River :((( 
Mine was killed by a no-kill animal shelter...Some of you might remember...
 
By the way I sent a complaint letter, called a few of their top supporters, 
Executive Director called me and I was VERY accurate and not accepting their 
bs, the director of the faclities stepped down a while ago. I don't know if it 
is related but I hope the new one is better...
 
I think this starts with vets, they know the facts and they are rushing to kill 
animals, if they behave that way, what do we expect from the rest of the 
society...I am open to start a petition etc. whatever comes to your minds. I am 
new and unfortunately I found this site after the fact, but I will never forget 
the support  I got from all of you,
 
thank you again.


Alev  


 From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
  

Only IFA. I'll ask that she be retested with the Elisa too. Thanks for pointing 
that out. I thought the IFA was the definitive test but may not be positive 
right away when acute symptoms present.

Also a clarification, my Tux as a kitten story was 5 years ago. She's now an 
adult. Even back then the vet was ready to destroy her if that snap test came 
back positive. Of course the current vet wanted to put her down at the first 
positive snap test with anemia. She may not even be infected with FeLV...but 
even if she were infected we wouldn't consider that option until her quality of 
life was so bad to warrant that (and treating her condition to give her a 
fighting chance at some recovery).  

Thanks. again. Dave



On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive 
Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat.
If both tests were negative then she is negative.




 Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/  
 

 


 From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
  

Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in 
December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that 
presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with 
prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was 
identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. 

This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is 
normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet 
has let the felv diagnosis go now. 

Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read 
about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. 

When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that 
she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart 
that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering 
that would be
 different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see 
an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I 
thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet 
says...and that is very sad. 

Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed 
to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to 
help someone. Thx. Dave

On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not 
 getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is
 
 David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The official diagnosis/condition from the
 pathologist is immune mediated
 hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for
 parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune
 response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month.
 
 She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own
 blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her
 new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was
 still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well
 despite everything.
 
 She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried
 to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to
 watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her
 back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle
 little nip on the
 butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation).
 
 Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I
 read online