Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang......Cat dying at home

[Lee Evans]

You could drive yourself crazy worrying about all of that. I had two cats 
living in a group of 12 for over 13 years. When they were very old, they 
developed renal failure. I took them for sub-q therapy as I do all my renal 
compromised cats until I see that the situation has progressed beyond a good 
quality of life. However, Tigger and Twerp developed some other symptoms that 
were very odd. Twerp had been tested twice for FeLv, Tigger once in the past. 
The vet suggested another test. Both were positive and active in the virus. 
Both passed away several days after the test. The other 10 cats who had lived 
with them, groomed and been groomed by them, shared food, litter boxes and 
sleeping nests never tested positive. All are gone now, most living to age 14 
and over, all from renal failure except one who had an ear tumor that 
progressed rapidly. He had to be euthanized because it was inoperable. I really 
feel that worrying and giving off negative feelings to
 the cats is going to do more harm than the exposure to the virus. You have to 
let go sometimes and leave it to the Universe to decide.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home
 




-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: Apr 27, 2013 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home

I also wonder why this indoor cat suddenly became FelV positive


            I've been wrestling with this. My + boy has been here since Jan of 
2012, and tested negative before I integrated him into one of my cat groups. 
After a very stressful bout with FLUTD and catherization, he just never 
recovered. Bloodwork eventually showed a very low WBC count, and a subsequent 
SNAP was positive for FeLV, neg for FIV. So, now I've exposed all those cats 
who live with him. I've been trying to figure it out, and here's one excerpt 
that helped my begin to understand.  I've also included the link to the whole 
article, but here is the relevant paragraph.

         It’s the apparent incidence of regressive FeLV infection that will 
continue to challenge all of us…ie, what are the clinical consequences of 
latency in a SNAP negative, healthy cat. Based on information available today, 
the odds favor the cat…there is a good chance the cat will remain healthy, may 
eventually clear the proviral DNA, and they are NOT shedding FeLV as long as 
the virus remains as proviral DNA (latent). Some, however, don’t do as well…a 
small number of regressive infections will re-activate…this is the adult 
cat…with a history of having been healthy and FeLV negative for some time 
(years even). And despite the fact they may have never encountered another cat 
throughout life…they appear to develop disease spontaneously and may become 
progressive (IFA or SNAP positive, sick cat)…or…they may develop complications 
of their infection, including solid tumors (FeLV is an oncogenic 
retrovirus)…and may become IFA
 or SNAP negative!

Here's a link to the complete article;

http://www.fvmace.org/FVMA_83rd_Annual_Conference/Proceedings/PDFS/2012%20FeLV%20%20FIV.pdf

         It's really discouraged me. Makes me think it's probable that all  my 
new cats (those acquired since my move here in 2006) were once infected, and 
possibly latent. They've all come from this neighborhood. Right now I have one 
that has to become a housecat, but has been an outside cat all his 4 years. 
He's tested negative, and I've arranged for him to get the rFeLV vaccine, but 
is there any point? I just don't know.

         I'm very interewsted in what others think. This is all new to me. In 
30+ years of rescue, I've never had a cat test positive for FeLV.

Still trying  to get my head around this.

Margo

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Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang......Cat dying at home

[Margo]

 I think I agree with you. This is just so new, and was quite a shock. When it comes to the cats he's been with, I do understand that, as my Vet put it, "that ship has sailed". It's the need to add a cat to them that has me flummoxed. The more I "learn" (as there are so many differing stances, opinions, and conflicting results when it comes to FeLV) the more confused i get. 

 You're right, I will find a way to live with it, I'm just not there yet. I've dealt with so many other issues (all the cats I kept were special needs of some kind or other, and considered un-adoptable) that I thought I had it all under control. Much of it is that I feel so helpless. There just isn't really anything with any kind of documented success rate,I can "DO" for him. My cabinet full of meds and very co-operatve Vet are just plain useless.

 Anyway, thanks for the input. I can just do what I can do.

Margo

-Original Message- From: Lee Evans Sent: Apr 28, 2013 3:15 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home 

You could drive yourself crazy worrying about all of that. I had two cats living in a group of 12 for over 13 years. When they were very old, they developed renal failure. I took them for sub-q therapy as I do all my renal compromised cats until I see that the situation has progressed beyond a good quality of life. However, Tigger and Twerp developed some other symptoms that were very odd. Twerp had been tested twice for FeLv, Tigger once in the past. The vet suggested another test. Both were positive and active in the virus. Both passed away several days after the test. The other 10 cats who had lived with them, groomed and been groomed by them, shared food, litter boxes and sleeping nests never tested positive. All are gone now, most living to age 14 and over, all from renal failure except one who had an ear tumor that progressed rapidly. He had to be euthanized because it was inoperable. I really feel that worrying and giving off negative feelings to the cats is going to do more harm than the exposure to the virus. You have to let go sometimes and leave it to the Universe to decide.


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Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang......Cat dying at home

[dlgegg]

I think that at one point or another, we all think we have it all under 
control.  I have begun to realize that perhaps I am here to provide a home, 
food and what care I can for them for the time I have them whether it is long 
or short.  I take them in, love them for whatever time I have them.  Hopefully 
that will help erase some of the pain and sadness they have been through before 
they came to me.  In the last few years, I have been home to 2 dogs and over 20 
cats.  Everyone around here thinks I am crazy but I get much love and happiness 
in return.  That is payment enough.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Margo, most of my cats are special needs also. Either they have behavioral 
 problems (litter box issues mostly) or physical issues - one tripod, one half 
 blind, several old, one allergic to something we can't figure out but she 
 loses her fur in patches, then grows it back and another has seizure disorder 
 - like epilepsy in humans but not as severe. Several have or are developing 
 stomatitis. It's just one thing after another. I have one from a colony I 
 used to feed who has bone cancer but eats and does everything normally except 
 that her days are probably numbered. I seem to be a way station for tossed 
 out cats. And you seem to have the same problem. The only way to cope, aside 
 from crying 24/7 is to just feel you are doing the best you can.

 
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too!






 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home
 


 

 
  I think I agree with you. This is just so new, and was 
quite a shock. When it comes to the cats he's been with, I do understand that, 
as my Vet put it, that ship has sailed. It's the need to add a cat to them 
that has me flummoxed. The more I learn (as there are so many differing 
stances, opinions, and conflicting results when it comes to FeLV) the more 
confused i get. 
 
   You're right, I will find a way to live with it, I'm 
just not there yet. I've dealt with so many other issues (all the cats I kept 
were special needs of some kind or other, and considered un-adoptable) that I 
thought I had it all under control. Much of it is that I feel so helpless. 
There just isn't really anything with any kind of documented success rate, I 
can DO for him. My cabinet full of meds and very co-operatve Vet are just 
plain useless.
 
   Anyway, thanks for the input. I can just do what I can 
do.
 
Margo
 
-Original Message- 
From: Lee Evans 
Sent: Apr 28, 2013 3:15 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home 


You could drive yourself crazy worrying about all of that. I had two cats 
living in a group of 12 for over 13 years. When they were very old, they 
developed renal failure. I took them for sub-q therapy as I do all my renal 
compromised cats until I see that the situation has progressed beyond a good 
quality of life. However, Tigger and Twerp developed some other symptoms that 
were very odd. Twerp had been tested twice for FeLv, Tigger once in the past. 
The vet suggested another test. Both were positive and active in the virus. 
Both passed away several days after the test. The other 10 cats who had lived 
with them, groomed and been groomed by them, shared food, litter boxes and 
sleeping nests never tested positive. All are gone now, most living to age 14 
and over, all from renal failure except one who had an ear tumor that 
progressed rapidly. He had to be euthanized because it was inoperable. I 
really feel that worrying and giving off negative feelings
  to the cats is going to do more harm than the exposure to the virus. You 
 have to let go sometimes and leave it to the Universe to decide.

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang......Cat dying at home

[dlgegg]

Lee, I agree with you on the negative feelings.  Same with people.  Worrying 
and fretting never did any good.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 You could drive yourself crazy worrying about all of that. I had two cats 
 living in a group of 12 for over 13 years. When they were very old, they 
 developed renal failure. I took them for sub-q therapy as I do all my renal 
 compromised cats until I see that the situation has progressed beyond a good 
 quality of life. However, Tigger and Twerp developed some other symptoms that 
 were very odd. Twerp had been tested twice for FeLv, Tigger once in the past. 
 The vet suggested another test. Both were positive and active in the virus. 
 Both passed away several days after the test. The other 10 cats who had lived 
 with them, groomed and been groomed by them, shared food, litter boxes and 
 sleeping nests never tested positive. All are gone now, most living to age 14 
 and over, all from renal failure except one who had an ear tumor that 
 progressed rapidly. He had to be euthanized because it was inoperable. I 
 really feel that worrying and giving off negative feelings to
  the cats is going to do more harm than the exposure to the virus. You have 
 to let go sometimes and leave it to the Universe to decide.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home
 




-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: Apr 27, 2013 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home

I also wonder why this indoor cat suddenly became FelV positive


            I've been wrestling with this. My + boy has been here since Jan of 
2012, and tested negative before I integrated him into one of my cat groups. 
After a very stressful bout with FLUTD and catherization, he just never 
recovered. Bloodwork eventually showed a very low WBC count, and a subsequent 
SNAP was positive for FeLV, neg for FIV. So, now I've exposed all those cats 
who live with him. I've been trying to figure it out, and here's one excerpt 
that helped my begin to understand.  I've also included the link to the whole 
article, but here is the relevant paragraph.

         It’s the apparent incidence of regressive FeLV infection that will 
continue to challenge all of us…ie, what are the clinical consequences of 
latency in a SNAP negative, healthy cat. Based on information available today, 
the odds favor the cat…there is a good chance the cat will remain healthy, may 
eventually clear the proviral DNA, and they are NOT shedding FeLV as long as 
the virus remains as proviral DNA (latent). Some, however, don’t do as well…a 
small number of regressive infections will re-activate…this is the adult 
cat…with a history of having been healthy and FeLV negative for some time 
(years even). And despite the fact they may have never encountered another cat 
throughout life…they appear to develop disease spontaneously and may become 
progressive (IFA or SNAP positive, sick cat)…or…they may develop complications 
of their infection, including solid tumors (FeLV is an oncogenic 
retrovirus)…and may become IFA
  or SNAP negative!

Here's a link to the complete article;

http://www.fvmace.org/FVMA_83rd_Annual_Conference/Proceedings/PDFS/2012%20FeLV%20%20FIV.pdf

         It's really discouraged me. Makes me think it's probable that all  my 
new cats (those acquired since my move here in 2006) were once infected, and 
possibly latent. They've all come from this neighborhood. Right now I have one 
that has to become a housecat, but has been an outside cat all his 4 years. 
He's tested negative, and I've arranged for him to get the rFeLV vaccine, but 
is there any point? I just don't know.

         I'm very interewsted in what others think. This is all new to me. In 
30+ years of rescue, I've never had a cat test positive for FeLV.

Still trying  to get my head around this.

Margo

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Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang......Cat dying at home

[dlgegg]

I do believe that Stress has a lot to do with the FELV becoming active and 
secondary infections doing more damage.  My Nitnoy had been feral, lost a tail 
to a raccoon just days before I found her and then was afraid of the other cats 
because she was so small and they were so big.  She grew less worried about 
them the longer she was with me, but previous stresses had taken their toll on 
her.  At least she had 2 years of love and safety.


 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 You could drive yourself crazy worrying about all of that. I had two cats 
 living in a group of 12 for over 13 years. When they were very old, they 
 developed renal failure. I took them for sub-q therapy as I do all my renal 
 compromised cats until I see that the situation has progressed beyond a good 
 quality of life. However, Tigger and Twerp developed some other symptoms that 
 were very odd. Twerp had been tested twice for FeLv, Tigger once in the past. 
 The vet suggested another test. Both were positive and active in the virus. 
 Both passed away several days after the test. The other 10 cats who had lived 
 with them, groomed and been groomed by them, shared food, litter boxes and 
 sleeping nests never tested positive. All are gone now, most living to age 14 
 and over, all from renal failure except one who had an ear tumor that 
 progressed rapidly. He had to be euthanized because it was inoperable. I 
 really feel that worrying and giving off negative feelings to
  the cats is going to do more harm than the exposure to the virus. You have 
 to let go sometimes and leave it to the Universe to decide.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home
 




-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: Apr 27, 2013 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home

I also wonder why this indoor cat suddenly became FelV positive


            I've been wrestling with this. My + boy has been here since Jan of 
2012, and tested negative before I integrated him into one of my cat groups. 
After a very stressful bout with FLUTD and catherization, he just never 
recovered. Bloodwork eventually showed a very low WBC count, and a subsequent 
SNAP was positive for FeLV, neg for FIV. So, now I've exposed all those cats 
who live with him. I've been trying to figure it out, and here's one excerpt 
that helped my begin to understand.  I've also included the link to the whole 
article, but here is the relevant paragraph.

         It’s the apparent incidence of regressive FeLV infection that will 
continue to challenge all of us…ie, what are the clinical consequences of 
latency in a SNAP negative, healthy cat. Based on information available today, 
the odds favor the cat…there is a good chance the cat will remain healthy, may 
eventually clear the proviral DNA, and they are NOT shedding FeLV as long as 
the virus remains as proviral DNA (latent). Some, however, don’t do as well…a 
small number of regressive infections will re-activate…this is the adult 
cat…with a history of having been healthy and FeLV negative for some time 
(years even). And despite the fact they may have never encountered another cat 
throughout life…they appear to develop disease spontaneously and may become 
progressive (IFA or SNAP positive, sick cat)…or…they may develop complications 
of their infection, including solid tumors (FeLV is an oncogenic 
retrovirus)…and may become IFA
  or SNAP negative!

Here's a link to the complete article;

http://www.fvmace.org/FVMA_83rd_Annual_Conference/Proceedings/PDFS/2012%20FeLV%20%20FIV.pdf

         It's really discouraged me. Makes me think it's probable that all  my 
new cats (those acquired since my move here in 2006) were once infected, and 
possibly latent. They've all come from this neighborhood. Right now I have one 
that has to become a housecat, but has been an outside cat all his 4 years. 
He's tested negative, and I've arranged for him to get the rFeLV vaccine, but 
is there any point? I just don't know.

         I'm very interewsted in what others think. This is all new to me. In 
30+ years of rescue, I've never had a cat test positive for FeLV.

Still trying  to get my head around this.

Margo

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

[dlgegg]

WHEN YOU WERE THERE, COULD YOU STAY AT THE CAT HOUSES OR DID YOU STAY AT A 
NEARBY MOTEL?  IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I COULD RETIRE THERE WITH MY BABIES AND BE 
WITH THEM  TO THE END. I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHANGING BOXES, ETC.

 Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow.  I've 
 visited it in the summer and winter.  A great place.
 
Sharyl



  
From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
  

The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 
1.  an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out 
at will. 2.  They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure.  They have 
furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls.  My cats will be old by 
the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats.  I am sure they 
will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window.  I 
have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there.  But if 
they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think 
there will be no problem.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be 
 able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would
 be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be
 spending their remaining years in cages??
 
 On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take
  care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life.  I have a
  shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care.  They have
  a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set
  amount of money.  It is really not asking all that much considering you
  are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the
  remainder of their lives.  I have had my babies too long to leave their
  future up in the air.
  
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang......Cat dying at home

[dlgegg]

My Annie was not positive for the 4 years her fist owner had her, same vet.  
Then when her owner had to go into hospice and she was left alone in her 
trailer for 3 weeks, then brought to the vet's office in a cardboard box and 
then sent home to my house with 2 new people and 1 new cat, that is when she 
tested positive.  I think it was stress that activated the virus.



 Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 


-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: Apr 27, 2013 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home

I also wonder why this indoor cat suddenly became FelV positive


I've been wrestling with this. My + boy has been here since Jan of 
2012, and tested negative before I integrated him into one of my cat groups. 
After a very stressful bout with FLUTD and catherization, he just never 
recovered. Bloodwork eventually showed a very low WBC count, and a subsequent 
SNAP was positive for FeLV, neg for FIV. So, now I've exposed all those cats 
who live with him. I've been trying to figure it out, and here's one excerpt 
that helped my begin to understand.  I've also included the link to the whole 
article, but here is the relevant paragraph.

 It’s the apparent incidence of regressive FeLV infection that will 
continue to challenge all of us…ie, what are the clinical consequences of 
latency in a SNAP negative, healthy cat. Based on information available today, 
the odds favor the cat…there is a good chance the cat will remain healthy, may 
eventually clear the proviral DNA, and they are NOT shedding FeLV as long as 
the virus remains as proviral DNA (latent). Some, however, don’t do as well…a 
small number of regressive infections will re-activate…this is the adult 
cat…with a history of having been healthy and FeLV negative for some time 
(years even). And despite the fact they may have never encountered another cat 
throughout life…they appear to develop disease spontaneously and may become 
progressive (IFA or SNAP positive, sick cat)…or…they may develop complications 
of their infection, including solid tumors (FeLV is an oncogenic 
retrovirus)…and may become IFA or SNAP negative!

Here's a link to the complete article;

http://www.fvmace.org/FVMA_83rd_Annual_Conference/Proceedings/PDFS/2012%20FeLV%20%20FIV.pdf

 It's really discouraged me. Makes me think it's probable that all  my 
new cats (those acquired since my move here in 2006) were once infected, and 
possibly latent. They've all come from this neighborhood. Right now I have one 
that has to become a housecat, but has been an outside cat all his 4 years. 
He's tested negative, and I've arranged for him to get the rFeLV vaccine, but 
is there any point? I just don't know.

 I'm very interewsted in what others think. This is all new to me. In 
30+ years of rescue, I've never had a cat test positive for FeLV.

Still trying  to get my head around this.

Margo

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