Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms

[Margo]

Hi Lance,

Well, it couldn't hurt to try an immune booster like DMG. I use it with 
my + cats, but it seems a can't hurt, might help, kind of thing.

http://www.entirelypets.com/vetridmgliquid.html

Not pushing Entirely Pets, it's just where I got it. And I'm sure there 
are other immune boosters you might try. I think I'll see what I can find. 

All the best,

Margo


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From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
Sent: Jun 5, 2013 9:20 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms

I'm wondering if anyone has ever attempted treatment of a potentially infected 
cat before the cat showed symptoms or tested positive. Would immune boosters 
help, or would  we be playing with fire and possibly making things worse? It 
seems like a vet who has done a lot of work with FeLV cats might have done 
this.

Along those lines, has anyone actually had a cat on Mega-C who then appeared 
to suppress or eradicate the virus?

I'm kind of thinking out loud here, and hopefully not bugging anyone. It seems 
to me that the progress of research into FeLV is woefully glacial.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

[Lorrie]

Margo, you are correct. Clavamox is the vet version of Augmentin
for humans.

L.

On 06-05, Margo wrote:
 
 I keep Clavamox,  which of course is the Veterinary version of Augmentin.
 Just more convenient :)
 
 Margo
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

[Margo]

Hi Lorrie,

Yes, I know, my point was that I always have Clavamox (and other Abx) 
on hand for the critters, so don't feel the need to keep the human form :). 
Since I get most of my drugs by the bottle, I often find that what I'm giving 
is actually labeled for human use.

Margo


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

Margo, you are correct. Clavamox is the vet version of Augmentin
for humans.

L.

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 I keep Clavamox,  which of course is the Veterinary version of Augmentin.
 Just more convenient :)
 
 Margo
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group

[kasia mosko]

Lorrie,

Yesterday I had the rest of the cats tested for FelV, and they all turned out 
to be positive. I  have 6 cats suffering from FelV and one has lymphoma; I feel 
like my life has just ended. 
Kasia



 
 

Kasia,
I unknowingly mixed two FelV cats into my group, and the two positive cats
are now 5 years old and in apparent good health in spite of being positive. 
There were several other older cats (not kittens) who were exposed and only
one became very sick and had to be PTS.  The other 9 cats are still fine. 
One has been tested twice and still remains negative. FelV is not always a
death sentence for older cats who are exposed, but sadly I have found that 
kittens born to a FelV mother and testing positive almost always die at
a year or so old.   Good luck with your cats and welcome to the group.

Lorrie

On 06-02, kasia mosko wrote:
    Hello,
    I have six cats and one of the has been recently diagnosed with feline
    leukemia and lymphoma (going through a chemotherapy). I have contacted
    two vets regarding Jack, and my other cats, and they both tell me
    something totally different. One of them says that I should separate
    Jack, and test the other cats for Leukemia, and vaccinate them if they
    are negative. The second vets tells me that the cats were already
    exposed to the virus and hopefully their immune system was strong
    enough to fight it. I also understood that once a cat is exposed to it,
    the virus may come to the surface at any time (even though the test may
    show negative today it may change tomorrow), and it is too late for the
    vaccination. I am totally confused and not sure what my next step
    should be.
    Help would be greatly appreciated,
    Kasia


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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group

[Margo]

Oh crap.

Kasia, I'm so sorry. I've been afraid to do that
Please, take a deep breath. Your life hasn't ended, and neither has theirs.

We need to think this through.

Okay. From what I seeJack was the original to test positive for FeLV, and healso has Lymphoma, which is currently being treated. 
Your other cats are now testing (Elisa?) positive for FeLV. According to this article;

http://abcd-vets.org/guidelines/guidelines_pdf/1201-FeLV_Guideline.pdf

there is a possibility that the others MAY not be persistently infected.

"The most widely used in-practice tests are antigen ELISA and
immunochromatography. As the prevalence of FeLV infection has decreased in
many European countries, also false positive test results tend to increase.
Therefore, a doubtful positive result in a healthy cat should always be confirmed,
preferably using provirus PCR (DNA PCR) offered by a reliable laboratory. A
positive test in a cat with clinical signs consistent with FeLV infection is more
reliable, as in sick cats the prevalence of FeLV is considerably higher.
Cats testing positive may overcome viraemia after two to sixteen weeks - in rare
cases even later. Therefore, every test-positive healthy cat should be separated
and retested after several weeks or months; depending on compliance of the
owner, retesting can be done still later (up to one year) when it is highly unlikely
that the cat will clear the viraemia."

It's the same thing I'm facing, if not to the same extent. I don't know if Gribble infected Mako, or vice-versa. Or are there other positives in this bunch, that will show up later, when they have health issues down the road. 

It's all very complicated. Every tine I think I get a handle on it, something else happens.

So I'm trying to go one day at a time. I will make their lives as wonderful as I can, and as comfortable. I will try to make wise decisions, though there are no quarantees. Basically, I will do the best that I can.

Again, I'm so very sorry that this has happened.

Margo

To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group 

Lorrie,

Yesterday I had the rest of the cats tested for FelV, and they all turned out to be positive. I have 6 cats suffering from FelV and one has lymphoma; I feel like my life has just ended.
Kasia






Kasia,I unknowingly mixed two FelV cats into my group, and the two positive catsare now 5 years old and in apparent good health in spite of being positive. There were several other older cats (not kittens) who were exposed and onlyone became very sick and had to be PTS. The other 9 cats are still fine. One has been tested twice and still remains negative. FelV is not always adeath sentence for older cats who are exposed, but sadly I have found that kittens born to a FelV mother and testing positive almost always die ata year or so old. Good luck with your cats and welcome to the group.LorrieOn 06-02, kasia mosko wrote:  Hello,  I have six cats and one of the has been recently diagnosed with feline  leukemia and lymphoma (going through a chemotherapy). I have contacted  two vets regarding Jack, and my other cats, and they both tell me  something totally different. One of them says that I should separate  Jack, and test the other cats for Leukemia, and vaccinate them if they  are negative. The second vets tells me that the cats were already  exposed to the virus and hopefully their immune system was strong  enough to fight it. I also understood that once a cat is exposed to it,  the virus may come to the surface at any time (even though the test may  show negative today it may change tomorrow), and it is too late for the  vaccination. I am totally confused and not sure what my next step  should be.  Help would be greatly appreciated,  Kasia___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group

[Beth]

Kasia -
We've all made mistakes, but we have to go on and do the best we can with what 
the current situation is. I unknowingly infected a kitten once before I knew 
much about FeLV. No, your life isn't over. I currently have 4 FeLV cats. 2 I 
have had for 3 years. They have a much better chance at a longer life if they 
get it when they are older. 

Beth


 
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 From: kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group
 


Lorrie,

Yesterday I had the rest of the cats tested for FelV, and they all turned out 
to be positive. I  have 6 cats suffering from FelV and one has lymphoma; I feel 
like my life has just ended. 
Kasia



 
 

Kasia,
I unknowingly mixed two FelV cats into my group, and the two positive cats
are now 5 years old and in apparent good health in spite of being positive. 
There were several other older cats (not kittens) who were exposed and only
one became very sick and had to be PTS.  The other 9 cats are still fine. 
One has been tested twice and still remains negative. FelV is not always a
death sentence for older cats who are exposed, but sadly I have found that 
kittens born to a FelV mother and testing positive almost always die at
a year or so old.   Good luck with your cats and welcome to the group.

Lorrie

On 06-02, kasia mosko wrote:
   
 Hello,
    I have six cats and one of the has been recently diagnosed with feline
    leukemia and lymphoma (going through a chemotherapy). I have contacted
    two vets regarding Jack, and my other cats, and they both tell me
    something totally different. One of them says that I should separate
    Jack, and test the other cats for Leukemia, and vaccinate them if they
    are negative. The second vets tells me that the cats were already
    exposed to the virus and hopefully their immune system was strong
    enough to fight it. I also understood that once a cat is exposed to it,
    the virus may come to the surface at any time (even though the test may
    show negative today it may change tomorrow), and it is too late for the
    vaccination. I am totally
 confused and not sure what my next step
    should be.
    Help would be greatly appreciated,
    Kasia


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[Felvtalk] New Member

[Deborah Adams]

Hi all,

I'm a new member of this group hoping to better understand FeLv and the 
situation that I'm in.  Last month, I decided to foster kittens for my local 
humane society as a summer project with my 2 girls (age 7 and 10 years).  We 
were given a momma cat and her 3 kittens who were about 4-5 weeks old, found as 
strays. All were initially tested for FeLv and came back negative (I don't know 
which test HS used.)  After helping momma wean her kittens, I returned her to 
the shelter this past weekend.  Yesterday she was retested for FeLV before her 
spay surgery and was positive. (HS checked both her blood and serum.)  Today, I 
took the kittens back to HS for testing and they are negative for FeLV.  I 
agreed to continue fostering them for 30 days and then they will be retested.

How much hope do these kittens have? Is there any chance that they will 
continue to be negative for FeLV? I'm so stressed about all this.  My kids are 
heart-broken.  I feel like everything is going all wrong.  First, they all got 
URI and one kitten got a persistent eye infection that took three different 
antibiotics until it finally cleared up.  But her eye is all clouded over and 
she is probably blind in that eye.  And now this FeLV scare.  I don't know if I 
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[Amanda K. Payne]

Deborah,

First of all, thank you for fostering!  You and your daughters provided an
invaluable service for your local HS.

I'm sorry your first fostering experience has been tainted by FeLV.  Please
understand that FeLV isn't an automatic death sentence though cats and
kittens who are positive usually have a shorter life span.  However, it
doesn't mean their quality of life is horrible the entire time they are
alive.  Whether they live for days or months or years, FeLV+ cats and
kittens can have fun, be crazy, play like there is no tomorrow and give
tons of love.

Testing kittens for FeLV can be troublesome, especially if they've been
exposed to the virus.  I work with several different rescues in the Los
Angeles area and also have a FeLV+ cat and have had them in the past.  Most
rescues and vets will recommend testing the kittens once they have reached
six months of age OR have been separated from an FeLV carrier for six
months.  False positives happen more frequently in kittens under 6 months
of age so that is why they suggest testing when they hit the six month
mark.

As far as their chances of having FeLV, no one can say with certainty or
give you probabilities.  Some kittens get it while others don't.  For
instance, I've had a kitten that was rescued from a hoarder.  This kitten
was around three other litters for two months and around the mama cats.
 The kitten I brought home was FeLV+ but no other kittens ever tested
positive nor did their mamas.  As you can see, FeLV is a real crapshoot.  I
apologize I can't give you a more definitive answer.

Most importantly, and I cannot stress this enough, is how important
fostering is.  I know your current experience is rough and you may feel you
are not up to it.  Whether these kittens end up with FeLV or not, your
fostering them most likely saved their lives. Even if their lives are cut
short by a FeLV related illness, they knew love and care and that is the
most important part of fostering; every animal deserves to know love and
safety and somebody has to love those FeLV kitties!  Hopefully, they stay
negative, find great homes and you choose to keep fostering.

Once again, thanks for fostering.

Best,
-Amanda


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Deborah Adams auntiede...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi all,** http://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#

 I'm a new member of this group hoping to better understand FeLv and the
 situation that I'm in.  Last month, I decided to foster kittens for my
 local humane society as a summer project with my 2 girls (age 7 and 10
 years).  We were given a momma cat and her 3 kittens who were about 4-5
 weeks old, found as strays. All were initially tested for FeLv and came
 back negative (I don't know which test HS used.)  After helping momma wean
 her kittens, I returned her to the shelter this past weekend.  Yesterday
 she was retested for FeLV before her spay surgery and was positive. (HS
 checked both her blood and serum.)  Today, I took the kittens back to HS
 for testing and they are negative for FeLV.  I agreed to continue fostering
 them for 30 days and then they will be retested.

 How much hope do these kittens have? Is there any chance that they will
 continue to be negative for FeLV? I'm so stressed about all this.  My kids
 are heart-broken.  I feel like everything is going all wrong.  First, they
 all got URI and one kitten got a persistent eye infection that took three
 different antibiotics until it finally cleared up.  But her eye is all
 clouded over and she is probably blind in that eye.  And now this FeLV
 scare.  I don't know if I can handle fostering.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

[Lorrie]

Actually I keep the human form, Augmentin, on hand for myself. Then all I
need is a tetanus booster if I get bitten.  If a cat bite swells up I start
myself on Augmenin. I also have Clavamox for the cats, but it is not the
correct strength for humans. I also keep Zithromax and other Abx on hand,
and I get all of them on line without an Rx.

Lorrie
 
On 06-06, Margo wrote:
 
 
 Hi Lorrie,
 
 Yes, I know, my point was that I always have Clavamox (and other Abx) on
 hand for the critters, so don't feel the need to keep the human form :).
 Since I get most of my drugs by the bottle, I often find that what I'm
 giving is actually labeled for human use.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group

[Lorrie]

Oh Kasia, I am so sorry. You must be absolutely devastated. It is really
unusual for older cats to become positive unless they were kittens at
the time they were with the positive cats.

I know you are shocked and frightened, but cats who test positive can still
live long lives, but it is important to catch the first sign of illness and
treat it. I hope your cats will be able to live with this virus and have a
good long life in spite of being positive.

Lorrie

On 06-06, kasia mosko wrote:
Lorrie,
Yesterday I had the rest of the cats tested for FelV, and they all
turned out to be positive. I  have 6 cats suffering from FelV and one
has lymphoma; I feel like my life has just ended.
Kasia
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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group

[kasia mosko]

Hi Lorrie,

Three of my cats are around 7-8 years old, one is little over 3 years, and two 
will be three years old soon. From what I understood is that older cats got 
infected because they hang around the carrier for a long period of time. It is 
such a shocking news, I still do not know how to deal with it; honestly, this 
is the worst time of my life. All of my animals are the most important things 
in my life, I cant imagine losing any of them...unless they are old and ready 
to go. 



 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
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Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group
 

Oh Kasia, I am so sorry. You must be absolutely devastated. It is really
unusual for older cats to become positive unless they were kittens at
the time they were with the positive cats.

I know you are shocked and frightened, but cats who test positive can still
live long lives, but it is important to catch the first sign of illness and
treat it. I hope your cats will be able to live with this virus and have a
good long life in spite of being positive.

Lorrie

    On 06-06, kasia mosko wrote:
    Lorrie,
    Yesterday I had the rest of the cats tested for FelV, and they all
    turned out to be positive. I  have 6 cats suffering from FelV and one
    has lymphoma; I feel like my life has just ended.
    Kasia
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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group

[Lance]

I'm so sorry, Kasia. You and your cats will be in my thoughts and prayers. As 
Lorrie said, it's very possible that an FeLV+ cat can live for years. I 
understand how you feel, though. I'm worried about a likely exposure in our 
house, and I also have an 11 year old FeLV+ girl of my own.

Are any of your FeLV+ cats showing symptoms? 

Lance

On Jun 6, 2013, at 4:19 PM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi Lorrie,
 
 Three of my cats are around 7-8 years old, one is little over 3 years, and 
 two will be three years old soon. From what I understood is that older cats 
 got infected because they hang around the carrier for a long period of time. 
 It is such a shocking news, I still do not know how to deal with it; 
 honestly, this is the worst time of my life. All of my animals are the most 
 important things in my life, I cant imagine losing any of them...unless 
 they are old and  ready to go. 
 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 4:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group
 
 Oh Kasia, I am so sorry. You must be absolutely devastated. It is really
 unusual for older cats to become positive unless they were kittens at
 the time they were with the positive cats.
 
 I know you are shocked and frightened, but cats who test positive can still
 live long lives, but it is important to catch the first sign of illness and
 treat it. I hope your cats will be able to live with this virus and have a
 good long life in spite of being positive.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 06-06, kasia mosko wrote:
 Lorrie,
 Yesterday I had the rest of the cats tested for FelV, and they all
 turned out to be positive. I  have 6 cats suffering from FelV and one
 has lymphoma; I feel like my life has just ended.
 Kasia
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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance

[kasia mosko]

Hi Lance,



Are any of your FeLV+ cats showing symptoms? 
***Besides Jack, who has lymphoma, none of the other cats show any symptoms.
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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance

[Lance]

Ember was four years old when she tested positive, but she must have had the 
disease prior to that. She might have been as young as two or three years old 
when the infection became persistent. We still don't know how the virus got 
into the house, whether through Ember herself or a stray kitten my parents took 
in who was later euthanized due to symptoms a year and a half later.

About lymphoma, please join the feline lymphoma Yahoo! group. The support there 
is amazing, and a vet frequently comments there.

I'm glad that the others aren't showing symptoms. My Ember has thankfully had 
very few issues with the virus. Her main symptoms are: low white blood cell 
count, anisocoria (one pupil is fully open all the time), and some very minor 
bouts of diarrhea (not in the last few years) and upper respiratory infections. 
For the most part, she gets sick like a normal cat. 

You may want to check this blog post that covers cat food:

http://www.naturalcatcareblog.com/2010/12/the-7-best-natural-commercial-cat-foods-so-far/

Ember eats Tiki Cat these days, which is the priciest stuff, but other brands 
like Hound  Gatos and Great Life Essentials are more affordable.

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 Hi Lance,
 
 
 Are any of your FeLV+ cats showing symptoms? 
 ***Besides Jack, who has lymphoma, none of the other cats show any symptoms.
 Lance, when was your girl diagnosed with it?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

[Betheny Laubenthal]

I buy fish antibiotics for my feral cats (my vet knows this).  I only treat
minor infections on my own with my vet's guidance.  With infections that
require a vet visit, I start conservative treatment until the time the
appointment is (which could be up to 3 days away). I buy the 500mg pills.
 I always have amoxicillin, keflex and cipro on hand.  I make a suspension
out of the pill depending on the strength (in mgs) I need to fit into 1ml
of liquid.
Anyways, is there any otc/off labeled brands of augmentin I can get?
Thank you!
--Beth


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 Actually I keep the human form, Augmentin, on hand for myself. Then all I
 need is a tetanus booster if I get bitten.  If a cat bite swells up I start
 myself on Augmenin. I also have Clavamox for the cats, but it is not the
 correct strength for humans. I also keep Zithromax and other Abx on hand,
 and I get all of them on line without an Rx.

 Lorrie

 On 06-06, Margo wrote:
 
 
  Hi Lorrie,
 
  Yes, I know, my point was that I always have Clavamox (and other Abx) on
  hand for the critters, so don't feel the need to keep the human form
 :).
  Since I get most of my drugs by the bottle, I often find that what I'm
  giving is actually labeled for human use.
 
  Margo

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[cerwin]

That’s a great site-thanks!

I’ve been feeding mine Tiki Cat, and I was wondering...in
looking at it and reading the ingredients list, wouldn’t it be
a lot cheaper and just as good to boil some chicken and add
a cat vitamin?

Chris C.


From: Lance 
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance

Ember was four years old when she tested positive, but she must have had the 
disease prior to that. She might have been as young as two or three years old 
when the infection became persistent. We still don't know how the virus got 
into the house, whether through Ember herself or a stray kitten my parents took 
in who was later euthanized due to symptoms a year and a half later.

About lymphoma, please join the feline lymphoma Yahoo! group. The support there 
is amazing, and a vet frequently comments there.

I'm glad that the others aren't showing symptoms. My Ember has thankfully had 
very few issues with the virus. Her main symptoms are: low white blood cell 
count, anisocoria (one pupil is fully open all the time), and some very minor 
bouts of diarrhea (not in the last few years) and upper respiratory infections. 
For the most part, she gets sick like a normal cat. 

You may want to check this blog post that covers cat food:

http://www.naturalcatcareblog.com/2010/12/the-7-best-natural-commercial-cat-foods-so-far/

Ember eats Tiki Cat these days, which is the priciest stuff, but other brands 
like Hound  Gatos and Great Life Essentials are more affordable.

On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:33 PM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:


  Hi Lance,


  Are any of your FeLV+ cats showing symptoms? 
  ***Besides Jack, who has lymphoma, none of the other cats show any symptoms.
  Lance, when was your girl diagnosed with it?
  Kasia


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Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms

[Lee Evans]

Ugh! I hate terminology although I do understand some of it from being a 
medical transcriber in human medical practice. The gist of the paper is that 
using AZT and other human drugs on a cat can be risky and should not be done 
except under the control of a veterinary specialist. Your cat could become 
jaundiced because most of these drugs have bad side effects on liver and 
kidneys if given in too large a dose and no effect in the disease if given in 
too small a dose. Why not just wait and see what happens and not subject your 
cat to something experimental and possibly dangerous?


 
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too!






 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms
 

Along those lines, I found this article, Discovery of drugs that possess 
activity against feline leukemia virus.

http://vir.sgmjournals.org/content/93/Pt_4/900.full.pdf

Almost all of the terminology in the paper is beyond me, but what I do 
understand makes me think that we could have potential treatment options for 
FeLV at some point in the near future. These drugs are available now; we just 
need someone to fund (the sticking point, I'm guessing) trials.

This is my last post for tonight. Probably.

On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 I'm wondering if anyone has ever attempted treatment of a potentially 
 infected cat before the cat showed symptoms or tested positive. Would immune 
 boosters help, or would  we be playing with fire and possibly making things 
 worse? It seems like a vet who has done a lot of work with FeLV cats might 
 have done this.
 
 Along those lines, has anyone actually had a cat on Mega-C who then appeared 
 to suppress or eradicate the virus?
 
 I'm kind of thinking out loud here, and hopefully not bugging anyone. It 
 seems to me that the progress of research into FeLV is woefully glacial.
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Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance

[Lance]

Hi Chris,

That would certainly make sense. Looking at it like that, I guess the extra 
money paid is going to the convenience of not having to buy chicken, boil it, 
and prepare it. Nothing more.

Side note: Ember is so spoiled by Tiki Cat that she avoids all paté types of 
foods. It sounds funny, but it might be something to consider before going down 
that route. I'm in a spot with her where I really, really can't have her not 
eating even for a few hours. So, Ember's Tiki Cat habit is the boss of me.

On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:53 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

 That’s a great site-thanks!
 
 I’ve been feeding mine Tiki Cat, and I was wondering...in
 looking at it and reading the ingredients list, wouldn’t it be
 a lot cheaper and just as good to boil some chicken and add
 a cat vitamin?
  
 Chris C.
  
  
 From: Lance
 Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:32 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New To Group-Lance
  
 Ember was four years old when she tested positive, but she must have had the 
 disease prior to that. She might have been as young as two or three years old 
 when the infection became persistent. We still don't know how the virus got 
 into the house, whether through Ember herself or a stray kitten my parents 
 took  in who was later euthanized due to symptoms a year and a half later.
  
 About lymphoma, please join the feline lymphoma Yahoo! group. The support 
 there is amazing, and a vet frequently comments there.
  
 I'm glad that the others aren't showing symptoms. My Ember has thankfully had 
 very few issues with the virus. Her main symptoms are: low white blood cell 
 count, anisocoria (one pupil is fully open all the time), and some very minor 
 bouts of diarrhea (not in the last few years) and upper respiratory 
 infections. For the most part, she gets sick like a normal cat.
  
 You may want to check this blog post that covers cat food:
  
 http://www.naturalcatcareblog.com/2010/12/the-7-best-natural-commercial-cat-foods-so-far/
  
 Ember eats Tiki Cat these days, which is the priciest stuff, but other brands 
 like Hound  Gatos and Great Life Essentials are more affordable.
  
 On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:33 PM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi Lance,
  
  
 Are any of your FeLV+ cats showing symptoms?
 ***Besides Jack, who has lymphoma, none of the other cats show any symptoms.
 Lance, when was your girl diagnosed with it?
 Kasia
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms

[Lance]

I agree. I had no intention of using these drugs. I doubt my vet would even 
have access to the newer drugs the paper mentions, and AZT is definitely out, 
unfortunately. It would be a sad irony if an exposed cat was FeLV- (or 
otherwise threw the virus without the help of AZT) but ended up with 
non-regenerative anemia after getting slightly too high a dose of AZT.

I have seen references to using AZT right after exposure, but if that were a 
good idea, I would think people would be trying it regularly.

I did write to the point person for that paper (Dr. Mansky) to ask what he 
thought could be done to forward research and use of the drugs (other than AZT) 
that were mentioned. He's not a vet (I think he's a virologist), but he 
probably has some thoughts on the issue. 

It saddens me that there are potential treatments out there, but it seems that 
no money and little impetus exist to push them along.

Also, Lee, you definitely understood more of the paper than I did. :-)

On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Ugh! I hate terminology although I do understand some of it from being a 
 medical transcriber in human medical practice. The gist of the paper is that 
 using AZT and other human drugs on a cat can be risky and should not be done 
 except under the control of a veterinary specialist. Your cat could become 
 jaundiced because most of these drugs have bad side effects on liver and 
 kidneys if given in too large a dose and no effect in the disease if given in 
 too small a dose. Why not just wait and see what happens and not subject your 
 cat to something experimental and possibly dangerous?
 
  
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
 neighbors too!
 
 
 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms
 
 Along those lines, I found this article, Discovery of drugs that possess 
 activity against feline leukemia virus.
 
 http://vir.sgmjournals.org/content/93/Pt_4/900.full.pdf
 
 Almost all of the terminology in the paper is beyond me, but what I do 
 understand makes me think that we could have potential treatment options for 
 FeLV at some point in the near future. These drugs are available now; we just 
 need someone to fund (the sticking point, I'm guessing) trials.
 
 This is my last post for tonight. Probably.
 
 On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
  I'm wondering if anyone has ever attempted treatment of a potentially 
  infected cat before the cat showed symptoms or tested positive. Would 
  immune boosters help, or would  we be playing with fire and possibly making 
  things worse? It seems like a vet who has done a lot of work with FeLV cats 
  might have done this.
  
  Along those lines, has anyone actually had a cat on Mega-C who then 
  appeared to suppress or eradicate the virus?
  
  I'm kind of thinking out loud here, and hopefully not bugging anyone. It 
  seems to me that the progress of research into FeLV is woefully glacial.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

[Lee Evans]

You would have to take a whole lot of Clavamox to make up the mgs. that you 
would need. Augmentin is a much higher mg. dose than what is given to cats.But 
then again, you could take as many pills to make up the difference and you 
would not have to deal with a physician who might report you to the Health 
Department and endanger your cat who simply had a bad fur day and bit you.


 
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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin
 



Hi Lorrie,

        Yes, I know, my point was that I always have Clavamox (and other Abx) 
on hand for the critters, so don't feel the need to keep the human form :). 
Since I get most of my drugs by the bottle, I often find that what I'm giving 
is actually labeled for human use.

Margo


-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: Jun 6, 2013 7:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

Margo, you are correct. Clavamox is the vet version of Augmentin
for humans.

L.

On 06-05, Margo wrote:
 
 I keep Clavamox,  which of course is the Veterinary version of Augmentin.
 Just more convenient :)
 
 Margo
 

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