Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread Shelley Theye
Hi Bonnie,

So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues.  If he is going in the litter box 
and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him
back in or call the vet immediately.  

Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, 
sorry, 
or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously??  

If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of 
inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this 
could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better.  Is he 
urinating at all?

My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago.  He only liked Royal Canin
Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD 
and Purina brands.  He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has 
Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it.  That's 
when I joined the yahoo group
on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, 
non fish or grain foods.

Here is the link to join   http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/you 
have to join to see messages.
That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join.  It's a 
very active group, and a few of the most
knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly.

Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra 
water too, no grain, and he does great on it.
There are other things to look at besides the crystals.  Like you said, stress, 
there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that
many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a 
UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc.  
The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different 
treatment, many holistic.

Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know 
what is going on.
Shelley



On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet; 
 crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the 
 urethra).  Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today).  Also a 
 pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!).  But he 
 is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just 
 tried to pee in the box but nothing.  I feel so badly for him -- he must be 
 uncomfortable.  And he looks at me a meows!  I hate to just run to the vet 
 (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do.  He 
 won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals.
 Any ideas?  I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!
 Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread Margo



Hi Bonnie,
 I can relate. Two of my positives are also struvitecrystal formers.Two mainquestions.
 What is he eating?
 Was a culture and sensitivitydone to confirm actual bacterial infection, or did the Vet just prescribe abx, and what wasLucky taking? Uroeze is a urine acidifier, so I guess you're dealing with struvite stones. It's very unusual for a cat to block after PU surgery, so likely the crystals aren't the cause of his discomfort.Has your Vet mentioned Idiopathis cystitis?
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=612
 If he's taking the Uroeze, he should NOT eat c/d or any other food designed to prevent struvite crystals. That wouls be way to much, and push towards possible oxylate formation. He should eat exclusively canned food, but just "regular" grain free, high meat (no filler) food. If you prefer to have a prescription food rather than the uroeze, there are other brands that may be more palatable. Try different kinds.
Wishing you both the best,
Margo
 -Original Message- From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: Sep 10, 2013 11:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals 



Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals.
Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!
Thanks
Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread Beth
I agree, left alone the condition is lethal.


 
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 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
 

Hi Bonnie,

So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues.  If he is going in the litter box 
and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him
back in or call the vet immediately.  

Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, 
sorry, 
or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously??  

If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of 
inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this 
could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better.  Is he 
urinating at all?

My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago.  He only liked Royal Canin
Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD 
and Purina brands.  He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has 
Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it.  That's 
when I joined the yahoo group
on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, 
non fish or grain foods.

Here is the link to join  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/    you have 
to join to see messages.
That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join.  It's a 
very active group, and a few of the most
knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly.

Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra 
water too, no grain, and he does great on it.
There are other things to look at besides the crystals.  Like you said, stress, 
there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that
many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a 
UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc.  
The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different 
treatment, many holistic.

Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know 
what is going on.
Shelley



On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet; 
 crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the 
 urethra).  Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today).  Also a 
 pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!).  But he 
 is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just 
 tried to pee in the box but nothing.  I feel so badly for him -- he must be 
 uncomfortable.  And he looks at me a meows!  I hate to just run to the vet 
 (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do.  He 
 won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals.
 Any ideas?  I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!
 Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement.  I just called  made an 
appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes.  

And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful.

He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with 
this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something.  Guess I can re-arrange 
feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter!

I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but 
guess not.  He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my 
mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.”  He’s 
a great tuxedo guy too, really smart.

Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him.  He’s sure helped me and my 
family through tough times.

Thanks again, all.  Really appreciate your help!

Bonnie

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

 

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From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals


Hi Bonnie,

So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues.  If he is going in the litter box 
and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him
back in or call the vet immediately.  

Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, 
sorry, 
or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously??  

If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of 
inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this 
could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better.  Is he 
urinating at all?

My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago.  He only liked Royal Canin
Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD 
and Purina brands.  He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has 
Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it.  That's 
when I joined the yahoo group
on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, 
non fish or grain foods.

Here is the link to join  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/  
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/   you have to join to see messages.
That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join.  It's a 
very active group, and a few of the most
knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly.

Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra 
water too, no grain, and he does great on it.
There are other things to look at besides the crystals.  Like you said, stress, 
there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that
many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a 
UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc.  
The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different 
treatment, many holistic.

Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know 
what is going on.
Shelley



On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet; 
 crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the 
 urethra).  Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today).  Also a 
 pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!).  But he 
 is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just 
 tried to pee in the box but nothing.  I feel so badly for him -- he must be 
 uncomfortable.  And he looks at me a meows!  I hate to just run to the vet 
 (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do.  He 
 won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals.
 Any ideas?  I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!
 Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Great information, Margo.  Thanks a million!  I have some questions for my vet. 
 Lucky was on Antrobe Aquadrops for a u.t.i.

If it isn’t crystals, I wonder what it could be.  Maybe still u.t.i.?  the vet 
didn’t say anything about idiopathis cystitis (that I recall).

Lucky eats (as do the other 3 in the house) Evo turkey dry food – no grains.  
Another ver suggested it is a good all around cat food and she’s never seen a 
cat develop crystals on it.

I’m wondering if I should get another vet opinion…but this seems so 
straightforward (common?).

Thanks again

Bonnie

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

 

Hi Bonnie,

 I can relate. Two of my positives are also struvite crystal 
formers.Two main questions.

 What is he eating?

 Was a culture and sensitivity done to confirm actual bacterial 
infection, or did the Vet just prescribe abx, and what was Lucky taking? Uroeze 
is a urine acidifier, so I guess you're dealing with struvite stones. It's very 
unusual for a cat to block after PU surgery, so likely the crystals aren't the 
cause of his discomfort. Has your Vet mentioned Idiopathis cystitis?

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=612

 If he's taking the Uroeze, he should NOT eat c/d or 
any other food designed to prevent struvite crystals. That wouls be way to 
much, and push towards possible oxylate formation. He should eat exclusively 
canned food, but just regular grain free, high meat (no filler) food. If you 
prefer to have a prescription food rather than the uroeze, there are other 
brands that may be more palatable. Try different kinds.

Wishing you both the best,

Margo

  -Original Message- 
From: Bonnie Hogue 
Sent: Sep 10, 2013 11:37 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals 

Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet; crystals 
in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra).  
Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today).  Also a pill called 
“Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!).  But he is still 
having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just tried to pee 
in the box but nothing.  I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable.  
And he looks at me a meows!  I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, 
he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do.  He won’t eat the CD food 
designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals.

Any ideas?  I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!

Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread Shelley Theye
Hi Bonnie,

Great that you are taking him in, good luck at the vet visit. Hope he gets some 
relief.

This is just anecdotal, but numerous folks on the FLUTD list have had their 
cats block while feeding Wellness brand.
Probably best to avoid that brand, or if you use it, rotate with other brands 
so he doesn't eat it exclusively.  The thought is
that some of the fruits, etc. might be raising the pH too high in cats that are 
susceptible to FLUTD?
Canned is better than dry, because the more dilute the urine, the better I 
think.  flushes out the bladder, and 
keeps the pH more neutral.   At least that is what I have read.  

This website is great because there is so much info on urinary tract stuff-  
http://www.catinfo.org  

Shelley

On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement.  I just called  made an 
 appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes. 
 And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful.
 He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with 
 this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something.  Guess I can 
 re-arrange feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter!
 I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but 
 guess not.  He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my 
 mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.”  
 He’s a great tuxedo guy too, really smart.
 Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him.  He’s sure helped me and my 
 family through tough times.
 Thanks again, all.  Really appreciate your help!
 Bonnie
  
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
  
 I agree, left alone the condition is lethal.
  
  
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 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
 
 Hi Bonnie,
 
 So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues.  If he is going in the litter 
 box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him
 back in or call the vet immediately.  
 
 Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, 
 sorry, 
 or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously??  
 
 If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of 
 inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this 
 could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better.  Is 
 he urinating at all?
 
 My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago.  He only liked Royal Canin
 Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD 
 and Purina brands.  He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has 
 Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it.  
 That's when I joined the yahoo group
 on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed 
 canned, non fish or grain foods.
 
 Here is the link to join  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/   you 
 have to join to see messages.
 That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join.  It's a 
 very active group, and a few of the most
 knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly.
 
 Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra 
 water too, no grain, and he does great on it.
 There are other things to look at besides the crystals.  Like you said, 
 stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that
 many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a 
 UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc.  
 The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different 
 treatment, many holistic.
 
 Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know 
 what is going on.
 Shelley
 
 
 
 On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
 
  Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet; 
  crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen 
  the urethra).  Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today).  
  Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). 
   But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s 
  restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing.  I feel so badly for 
  him -- he must be uncomfortable.  And he looks at me a meows!  I hate to 
  just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but 
  don’t know what to do.  He won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce 
  whatever causes the crystals.
  Any ideas?  I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!
  Thanks
  Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread Beth
I wasn't trying to be discouraging, but it is an urgent situation that requires 
immediate attention from a vet. I had a cat with a urinary blockage  she 
almost died. I'd hate to see your lose your baby.
 

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 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
 


Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement.  I just called  made an 
appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes.  
And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful.
He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with 
this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something.  Guess I can re-arrange 
feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter!
I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but 
guess not.  He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my 
mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.”  He’s 
a great tuxedo guy too, really smart.
Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him.  He’s sure helped me and my 
family through tough times.
Thanks again, all.  Really appreciate your help!
Bonnie
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
 
I agree, left alone the condition is lethal.
 
 
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From:Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

Hi Bonnie,

So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues.  If he is going in the litter box 
and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him
back in or call the vet immediately.  

Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, 
sorry, 
or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously??  

If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of 
inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this 
could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better.  Is he 
urinating at all?

My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago.  He only liked Royal Canin
Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD 
and Purina brands.  He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has 
Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it.  That's 
when I joined the yahoo group
on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, 
non fish or grain foods.

Here is the link to join  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/   you have 
to join to see messages.
That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join.  It's a 
very active group, and a few of the most
knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly.

Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra 
water too, no grain, and he does great on it.
There are other things to look at besides the crystals.  Like you said, stress, 
there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that
many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a 
UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc.  
The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different 
treatment, many holistic.

Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know 
what is going on.
Shelley



On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet; 
 crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the 
 urethra).  Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today).  Also a 
 pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!).  But he 
 is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just 
 tried to pee in the box but nothing.  I feel so badly for him -- he must be 
 uncomfortable.  And he looks at me a meows!  I hate to just run to the vet 
 (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do.  He 
 won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals.
 Any ideas?  I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!
 Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread dlgegg
2 things I can think of right away, does he get enough water and try some apple 
cider vinegar, not th ovcer processed stuff, get Bragg's, shake it up and add a 
few drops to his water.
I have gone thru this with both males and females.  Doesn't always work, 
sometimes I get it started too late.  Try a good food (Blue Buffalo or 
Wellness) and add 1 can of warm water to each can.  This way he gets enough 
water and the warm water makes it smell more to entice him to eat.
Time to get back to the vet.

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet;
 crystals in urine (it's happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the
 urethra).  Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today).  Also a
 pill called Uroeze to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!).  But he
 is still having problems - pee spots around the house, he's restless, just
 tried to pee in the box but nothing.  I feel so badly for him -- he must be
 uncomfortable.  And he looks at me a meows!  I hate to just run to the vet
 (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don't know what to do.
 He won't eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals.
 
 Any ideas?  I'd sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!
 
 Thanks
 
 Bonnie
 


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[Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news
is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some
arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder
is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which
is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory
and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor little
dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a FLUTD
feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special food
(Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.

Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!

Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
OMG, it's true.  Chicken feathers!  And they are researching worm meal too!  
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcbabej/2013/05/29/dog-food-made-from-feathers-a-win-win-for-royal-canin/
  I'm so glad I was never that impressed with Royal Canin to begin with.


From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky


no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein.


i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat.  they 
also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey.  NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO MATTER WHAT 
THE BRAND.  BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I THROW IT OUT.  
UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS  THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS STINKY.  
I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE.  WHEN I DID THAT, ALL 
THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT FIRST INGREDIENTS.
 Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 
  Hi,
        Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented source 
coroborating that information?  I use RC SO when I need to add dry, so I'd 
like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown. 
        Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of 
stones/crystals in some cats. 
 
 Margo
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH THEIR 
 CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
 WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.
 
  Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
  We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news
  is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some
  arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
  urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder
  is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
  anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which
  is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory
  and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.  Poor little
  dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
  re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a 
  FLUTD
  feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special food
  (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
  
  Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
  encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
  
  Bonnie
  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread dlgegg
Struvite crystals have always been the cu;print here.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread dlgegg
Had not heard that about Wellness before, may have to watch it because of 
Harley and Homey who is female, but does have problems with bladder infections.
DAMN, WHY CAN;'T WE FIND A FOOD THAT DOESEN'T CAUSE PROBLEMS?

 Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote: 
 Hi Bonnie,
 
 Great that you are taking him in, good luck at the vet visit. Hope he gets 
 some relief.
 
 This is just anecdotal, but numerous folks on the FLUTD list have had their 
 cats block while feeding Wellness brand.
 Probably best to avoid that brand, or if you use it, rotate with other brands 
 so he doesn't eat it exclusively.  The thought is
 that some of the fruits, etc. might be raising the pH too high in cats that 
 are susceptible to FLUTD?
 Canned is better than dry, because the more dilute the urine, the better I 
 think.  flushes out the bladder, and 
 keeps the pH more neutral.   At least that is what I have read.  
 
 This website is great because there is so much info on urinary tract stuff-  
 http://www.catinfo.org  
 
 Shelley
 
 On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
 
  Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement.  I just called  made an 
  appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes. 
  And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful.
  He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with 
  this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something.  Guess I can 
  re-arrange feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter!
  I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this 
  but guess not.  He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be 
  my mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my 
  family.”  He’s a great tuxedo guy too, really smart.
  Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him.  He’s sure helped me and 
  my family through tough times.
  Thanks again, all.  Really appreciate your help!
  Bonnie
   
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
  Beth
  Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
   
  I agree, left alone the condition is lethal.
   
   
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
   
   
  From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
  
  Hi Bonnie,
  
  So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues.  If he is going in the litter 
  box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him
  back in or call the vet immediately.  
  
  Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, 
  sorry, 
  or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously??  
  
  If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot 
  of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this 
  could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better.  
  Is he urinating at all?
  
  My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago.  He only liked Royal Canin
  Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including 
  CD and Purina brands.  He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because 
  he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in 
  it.  That's when I joined the yahoo group
  on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed 
  canned, non fish or grain foods.
  
  Here is the link to join  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/   you 
  have to join to see messages.
  That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join.  It's 
  a very active group, and a few of the most
  knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly.
  
  Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little 
  extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it.
  There are other things to look at besides the crystals.  Like you said, 
  stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that
  many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have 
  a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc.  
  The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and 
  different treatment, many holistic.
  
  Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know 
  what is going on.
  Shelley
  
  
  
  On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
  
   Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet; 
   crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen 
   the urethra).  Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today).  
   Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x 
   daily!).  But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, 
   he’s restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing.  I feel so badly 
   for him -- he must be uncomfortable.  And he looks at me a meows! 

Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Margo



Hi Bonnie,
 All in all, I'd say that's good news. I try to avoid dry food, but the RC SO is what I have for those times someone is stubborn or insistent on dry food. They like it :) I haven't tried the canned, for wet food I use EVO, Hounds and Gatos, and others with basically meat only. That's pretty much what I use for everyone. Canned is altogether better than dry for any cat.
 Hope all the meds make him feel much better, soon.
Margo

-Original Message- From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: Sep 11, 2013 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky 



We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today. The great news is Lucky’s blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some arthritis in his back). He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract. They did not see any crystals. The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks very inflamed. So they gave him a shot of an anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye. Poor little dude, he sure went through a lot today! Now he’s home, getting re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling. Looks like I’ve got a FLUTD feline here. They gave me a prescription for another type of special food (Royal Canine) which I’ll try (he hates the CD). Fingers crossed.
Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and encouragements. Lucky thanks you too!
Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread dlgegg
no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein.


i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat.  they 
also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey.  NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO MATTER WHAT 
THE BRAND.  BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I THROW IT OUT.  
UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS  THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS STINKY.  
I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE.  WHEN I DID THAT, ALL 
THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT FIRST INGREDIENTS.
 Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 
  Hi,
 Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented 
 source coroborating that information?  I use RC SO when I need to add dry, so 
 I'd like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown. 
 Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of 
 stones/crystals in some cats. 
 
 Margo
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH THEIR 
 CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
 WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.
 
  Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
  We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news
  is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some
  arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
  urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder
  is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
  anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which
  is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory
  and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor little
  dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
  re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a 
  FLUTD
  feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special food
  (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
  
  Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
  encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
  
  Bonnie
  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Margo

 Hi,
Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented source 
coroborating that information?  I use RC SO when I need to add dry, so I'd like 
to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown. 
Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of stones/crystals 
in some cats. 

Margo


-Original Message-
From: dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH THEIR CEO 
SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news
 is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some
 arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
 urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder
 is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
 anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which
 is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory
 and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor little
 dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
 re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a FLUTD
 feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special food
 (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
 
 Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
 encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
 
 Bonnie
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread dlgegg
MY BOBBY DID DIE.  ALSO LITTLE NITNOY.

 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I wasn't trying to be discouraging, but it is an urgent situation that 
 requires immediate attention from a vet. I had a cat with a urinary blockage 
  she almost died. I'd hate to see your lose your baby.
 

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 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
 


Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement.  I just called  made an 
appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes.  
And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful.
He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with 
this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something.  Guess I can re-arrange 
feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter!
I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but 
guess not.  He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my 
mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.”  He’s 
a great tuxedo guy too, really smart.
Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him.  He’s sure helped me and my 
family through tough times.
Thanks again, all.  Really appreciate your help!
Bonnie
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
 
I agree, left alone the condition is lethal.
 
 
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From:Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

Hi Bonnie,

So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues.  If he is going in the litter box 
and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him
back in or call the vet immediately.  

Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, 
sorry, 
or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously??  

If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of 
inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this 
could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better.  Is he 
urinating at all?

My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago.  He only liked Royal Canin
Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD 
and Purina brands.  He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has 
Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it.  That's 
when I joined the yahoo group
on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, 
non fish or grain foods.

Here is the link to join  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/   you have 
to join to see messages.
That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join.  It's a 
very active group, and a few of the most
knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly.

Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra 
water too, no grain, and he does great on it.
There are other things to look at besides the crystals.  Like you said, stress, 
there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that
many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a 
UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc.  
The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different 
treatment, many holistic.

Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know 
what is going on.
Shelley



On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet; 
 crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the 
 urethra).  Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today).  Also a 
 pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!).  But he 
 is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just 
 tried to pee in the box but nothing.  I feel so badly for him -- he must be 
 uncomfortable.  And he looks at me a meows!  I hate to just run to the vet 
 (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do.  He 
 won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals.
 Any ideas?  I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!
 Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
I know, the food issue is and issue!  I would feed them frozen (thawed) mice
if I thought it'd keep them healthy!
No magic formula I guess.  When it comes down to it, human animals face
similar problems.  Our diet helps or hurts us, depending.
Bonnie

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

Struvite crystals have always been the cu;print here.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
I had been feeding them all EVO dry food.  I'm going to try Lucky on Royal
Canin SO diet (canned).  My fingers are crossed he'll eat it!
B.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein.


i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat.  they
also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey.  NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO MATTER WHAT
THE BRAND.  BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I THROW IT OUT.
UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS  THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS STINKY.

I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE.  WHEN I DID THAT, ALL
THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT FIRST
INGREDIENTS.
 Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 
  Hi,
 Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented
source coroborating that information?  I use RC SO when I need to add dry,
so I'd like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown.

 Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of
stones/crystals in some cats. 
 
 Margo
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH
THEIR CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
 WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.
 
  Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
  We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The 
  great news is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays 
  (he does have some arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent 
  blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract.  They did not see any 
  crystals.  The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks very 
  inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an 
  anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot,
which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.),
anti-inflammatory
  and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor
little
  dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting 
  re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've 
  got a FLUTD feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another 
  type of special food (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).
Fingers crossed.
  
  Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and 
  encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Beth
That is encouraging news. My vet said there used to something in Science Diet 
that caused this, too, ut they changed the formula. Not hat SD is the greatest 
food to begin with.


 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:46 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 


We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news is 
Lucky’s blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some 
arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his urinary 
tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder is very 
small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an 
anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which is 
good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory and an 
ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor little dude, he 
sure went through a lot today!  Now he’s home, getting re-acquainted with the 
other cats and chilling.  Looks like I’ve got a FLUTD feline here.  They gave 
me a prescription for another type of special food (Royal Canine) which I’ll 
try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and encouragements.  
Lucky thanks you too!
Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread dlgegg
WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH THEIR CEO 
SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news
 is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some
 arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
 urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder
 is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
 anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which
 is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory
 and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor little
 dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
 re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a FLUTD
 feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special food
 (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
 
 Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
 encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
 
 Bonnie
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread dlgegg
IN THE MEAN TIME, GLAD YOU FOUND OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS SO IT CAN BE TREATED.  
WILL KEEP YOU BOTH IN MY PRAYERS.

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news
 is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some
 arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
 urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder
 is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
 anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which
 is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory
 and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor little
 dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
 re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a FLUTD
 feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special food
 (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
 
 Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
 encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
 
 Bonnie
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Shelley Theye
Glad Lucky is feeling a little better!
I hope you get some good tips, etc. from the yahoo FLUTD group.
How old is he?  Also, is he FeLV positive?  I think older cats are more prone 
to 
get uti's...

Shelley


On Sep 11, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news is 
 Lucky’s blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some 
 arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his urinary 
 tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder is very 
 small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an 
 anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which is 
 good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory and 
 an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor little dude, 
 he sure went through a lot today!  Now he’s home, getting re-acquainted with 
 the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I’ve got a FLUTD feline here.  They 
 gave me a prescription for another type of special food (Royal Canine) which 
 I’ll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
 Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and encouragements. 
  Lucky thanks you too!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Margo



Thanks!
 I feel better about my RC. It's a minor part of their diet, but I don't feed them the hypoallergenic dog food that's made from feathers .Iresearched the science behind the hydrolyzed hypo-allergenic foods when I had a dog with issues, so I understand some of that.
 I misunderstood, and thought that the contention was that their chicken meal is made of feathers.
Thanks for clearing that up :)
Margo
p.s. My feralcats often eat worms...

-Original Message- From: Susan Hoffman Sent: Sep 11, 2013 4:18 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky 

OMG, it's true. Chicken feathers! And they are researching worm meal too! http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcbabej/2013/05/29/dog-food-made-from-feathers-a-win-win-for-royal-canin/ I'm so glad I was never that impressed with Royal Canin to begin with.




From: "dlg...@windstream.net" dlg...@windstream.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein.i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat. they also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey. NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO MATTER WHAT THE BRAND. BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I THROW IT OUT. UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS STINKY. I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE. WHEN I DID THAT, ALL THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT FIRST INGREDIENTS. Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:   Hi,Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented source coroborating that information? I use RC SO when I need to add dry, so I'd like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown. Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of stones/crystals in some cats.   Margo   -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky  WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH THEIR CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.   Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:   We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today. The great news  is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some  arthritis in his back). He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his  urinary tract. They did not see any crystals. The vet did say his bladder  is very small and looks very inflamed. So they gave him a shot of an  anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which  is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory  and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye. Poor little  dude, he sure went through a lot today! Now he's home, getting  re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling. Looks like I've got a FLUTD  feline here. They gave me a prescription for another type of special food  (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD). Fingers crossed.Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and  encouragements. Lucky thanks you too!Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org   ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Margo


Hi Bonnie,

Since there was no evidence of crystals, Id just go for a high meat 
canned food (like the EVO 95% varieties), without the acidifiers. Using that 
could incline him towards oxylate stones, which are much more difficult to deal 
with.

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Sent: Sep 11, 2013 5:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

I had been feeding them all EVO dry food.  I'm going to try Lucky on Royal
Canin SO diet (canned).  My fingers are crossed he'll eat it!
B.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein.


i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat.  they
also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey.  NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO MATTER WHAT
THE BRAND.  BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I THROW IT OUT.
UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS  THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS STINKY.

I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE.  WHEN I DID THAT, ALL
THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT FIRST
INGREDIENTS.
 Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 
  Hi,
 Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented
source coroborating that information?  I use RC SO when I need to add dry,
so I'd like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown.

 Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of
stones/crystals in some cats. 
 
 Margo
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH
THEIR CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
 WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.
 
  Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
  We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The 
  great news is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays 
  (he does have some arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent 
  blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract.  They did not see any 
  crystals.  The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks very 
  inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an 
  anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot,
which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.),
anti-inflammatory
  and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor
little
  dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting 
  re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've 
  got a FLUTD feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another 
  type of special food (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).
Fingers crossed.
  
  Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and 
  encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread trustinhim13

Praying that Lucky heals.



On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great 
news
is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have 
some

arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his 
bladder

is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, 
which
is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), 
anti-inflammatory
and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor 
little

dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a 
FLUTD
feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special 
food

(Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.

Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!

Bonnie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread dlgegg
and when do they start using deceased humans as an acceptable source of 
protein.  They already use animals euthanized by humane society.  I think it is 
time for God to put an end to us, we do not deserve to live on this beautiful 
planet that we are in the processing of destroying.

 Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 OMG, it's true.  Chicken feathers!  And they are researching worm meal too!  
 http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcbabej/2013/05/29/dog-food-made-from-feathers-a-win-win-for-royal-canin/
   I'm so glad I was never that impressed with Royal Canin to begin with.


From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky


no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein.


i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat.  they 
also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey.  NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO MATTER WHAT 
THE BRAND.  BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I THROW IT OUT.  
UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS  THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS STINKY.  
I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE.  WHEN I DID THAT, ALL 
THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT FIRST INGREDIENTS.
 Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 
  Hi,
        Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented source 
coroborating that information?  I use RC SO when I need to add dry, so I'd 
like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown. 
        Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of 
stones/crystals in some cats. 
 
 Margo
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH THEIR 
 CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
 WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.
 
  Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
  We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news
  is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some
  arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
  urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder
  is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
  anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which
  is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory
  and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.  Poor little
  dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
  re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a 
  FLUTD
  feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special food
  (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
  
  Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
  encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Thanks, Margo (and everyone who helped).  Lucky actually ate the RC s/o diet
tonight!  And he is at least going out to the cat boxes in the garage rather
than trying to pee in the house.  We have some anti-inflammatory to help
with his urgency I hope.
Hopefully we're crossing a bridge toward better health for Lucky!  I know I
can feed him separately, the problem is, the other cats still eat the dry
food, and I need to keep him out of it.
Wish us well!
Bonnie

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Margo
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky



Hi Bonnie,

Since there was no evidence of crystals, Id just go for a high meat
canned food (like the EVO 95% varieties), without the acidifiers. Using that
could incline him towards oxylate stones, which are much more difficult to
deal with.

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Sent: Sep 11, 2013 5:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

I had been feeding them all EVO dry food.  I'm going to try Lucky on 
Royal Canin SO diet (canned).  My fingers are crossed he'll eat it!
B.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein.


i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat.  
they also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey.  NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO 
MATTER WHAT THE BRAND.  BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I
THROW IT OUT.
UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS  THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS
STINKY.

I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE.  WHEN I DID 
THAT, ALL THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT 
FIRST INGREDIENTS.
 Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 
  Hi,
 Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well 
 documented
source coroborating that information?  I use RC SO when I need to add 
dry, so I'd like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has
shown.

 Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of
stones/crystals in some cats. 
 
 Margo
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH
THEIR CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
 WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.
 
  Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
  We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The 
  great news is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays 
  (he does have some arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent 
  blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract.  They did not see any 
  crystals.  The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks 
  very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an 
  anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a 
  lot,
which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), 
anti-inflammatory
  and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor
little
  dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting 
  re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've 
  got a FLUTD feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another 
  type of special food (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).
Fingers crossed.
  
  Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and 
  encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
  
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