Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-12 Thread dlgegg
You will have to do what I resorted to, put food out in the am and pm and after 
an hour, take it up.  I used to leave food in the bowls all day but Dee and 
Homey would continue to eat all day and are now over weight.  The only way to 
get them back into shape is withhold the food.  Got to do that for myself.  
Can;'t have oreos in the house because they call me to come and eat them.  They 
are my comfort food when I start feeling down.

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Thanks, Margo (and everyone who helped).  Lucky actually ate the RC s/o diet
 tonight!  And he is at least going out to the cat boxes in the garage rather
 than trying to pee in the house.  We have some anti-inflammatory to help
 with his urgency I hope.
 Hopefully we're crossing a bridge toward better health for Lucky!  I know I
 can feed him separately, the problem is, the other cats still eat the dry
 food, and I need to keep him out of it.
 Wish us well!
 Bonnie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Margo
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:13 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 
 
 Hi Bonnie,
 
 Since there was no evidence of crystals, Id just go for a high meat
 canned food (like the EVO 95% varieties), without the acidifiers. Using that
 could incline him towards oxylate stones, which are much more difficult to
 deal with.
 
 Margo
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
 Sent: Sep 11, 2013 5:32 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 I had been feeding them all EVO dry food.  I'm going to try Lucky on 
 Royal Canin SO diet (canned).  My fingers are crossed he'll eat it!
 B.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
 Of dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein.
 
 
 i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat.  
 they also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey.  NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO 
 MATTER WHAT THE BRAND.  BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I
 THROW IT OUT.
 UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS  THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS
 STINKY.
 
 I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE.  WHEN I DID 
 THAT, ALL THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT 
 FIRST INGREDIENTS.
  Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: 
  
   Hi,
  Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well 
  documented
 source coroborating that information?  I use RC SO when I need to add 
 dry, so I'd like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has
 shown.
 
  Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of
 stones/crystals in some cats. 
  
  Margo
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: dlg...@windstream.net
  Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
  
  WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH
 THEIR CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
  WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.
  
   Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
   We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The 
   great news is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays 
   (he does have some arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent 
   blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract.  They did not see any 
   crystals.  The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks 
   very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an 
   anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a 
   lot,
 which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), 
 anti-inflammatory
   and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor
 little
   dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting 
   re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've 
   got a FLUTD feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another 
   type of special food (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).
 Fingers crossed.
   
   Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and 
   encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
   
   Bonnie
   
  
  
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: Is Your Pet's Behavior Getting More Quirky with Age? What to Do Now...

2013-09-12 Thread dlgegg
Thought this might be of interest.  See article on dementia, unusual behavior 
in older cats and dogs.


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Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans

2013-09-12 Thread Lorrie
What a great idea, and not just naturally deceased humans for cat
food, but child molesters, rapists, etc.  Entirely too many humans
are degenerates who would make excellent cat chow!! 


On 09-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 and when do they start using deceased humans as an acceptable source of
 protein.  They already use animals euthanized by humane society.  I think
 it is time for God to put an end to us, we do not deserve to live on this
 beautiful planet that we are in the processing of destroying.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-12 Thread Lorrie
Bonnie, Thanks for the update.  Cats like Royal Canin SO much better
than Hills CD, but get him on all canned food as soon as you can.
Wellness is known for causing urinary problems.  My Polar Bear, who 
is my FLUTD cat, eats canned Fancy Feast and Friskies.  Not the best 
canned food, but at least he eats it.  He was a dry food junkie, and
I had a very hard time getting him on canned only.  I now add a lot
extra water to it, and sprinkle just a few dry kibbles on top, and 
he eats it.  All this I learned in the FLUTD group.

BTW - Wow what a vet bills!!  But our cats are worth every 
penny of it.

Lorrie


On 09-11, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great
news is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does
have some arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages
(tumors) in his urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet
did say his bladder is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they
gave him a shot of an anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he
calmed down a lot, which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic
(suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid
for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor little dude, he sure went through a
lot today!  Now he's home, getting re-acquainted with the other cats
and chilling.  Looks like I've got a FLUTD feline here.  They gave me a
prescription for another type of special food (Royal Canine) which I'll
try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
 
Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
 
Bonnie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals

2013-09-12 Thread Lorrie
Absolute emergency A blocked cat who cannot urinate 
will die.  Get to the vet ASAP, and then join the FLUTD group.
(Feline lower urinary tract)  fl...@yahoogroups.com  THey have
taught me so much.  

BTW, the name of the surgery is perineal uresthrostomy or PU surgery.

Lorrie

On 09-11, Beth wrote:
I agree, left alone the condition is lethal.
 
  __
 
call the vet immediately.. Did he have the surgery to remove
his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a
blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that
is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or
bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner
you treat this the better.  Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a
blockage about 4 years ago.  He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO
canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and
Purina brands.  He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he
has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in
it.  That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to
go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain
foods. Here is the link to join
[2]http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/
 
That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join.
It's a very active group, and a few of the most
knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly.
Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little
extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it.
There are other things to look at besides the crystals.  Like you said,
stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that
many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really
have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc.
The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and
different treatment, many holistic.
Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him
know what is going on.
Shelley
On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
 Poor Lucky.  He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago.  Went to the vet;
crystals in urine (itâs happened before, in fact he had surgery to
widen the urethra).  Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them
today).  Also a pill called âUroezeâ to help keep crystals from forming
(3x daily!).  But he is still having problems â pee spots around the
house, heâs restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing.  I feel
so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable.  And he looks at me a
meows!  I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on
the way home), but donât know what to do.  He wonât eat the CD food
designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals.
 Any ideas?  Iâd sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky!
 Thanks
 Bonnie
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