Re: [Felvtalk] Gum redness

[Lance]

Pet Tinic will help if she’s anemic, the others are immune boosters. DMG is 
fairly proven to generally boost the immune system but it’s mild, Transfer 
Factor is unproven but people use it anyway, and interferon is similar. I’d 
start with DMG. It should be harmless (you can find a lot of info about it 
online). Still, best to talk to your vet to get their approval. 

On Oct 30, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Avaykn  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Thank you so much, she gets :
> lysine 500mg a day 
> a feline multivitamin, Tabby tabs, 
> Missing link amino supplement
> Mush a powdery mix of mushrooms
> Is there anything else I might be missing to give her.
> She is at a little over 10lbs and gets canned food twice a day and dr Lisa 
> Pierson's raw chicken recipe once a day.
> Do you think adding DMG, interferon, pet tinic and/or transfer factor plus 
> would help?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mally
> Sent from my iPhone.
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 23:04,  wrote:
>> 
>> You can get DMG without a prescription at Amazon, and
>> I imagine many other places. That's where I get it.
>> 
>> Chris C.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Lance
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:32 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gum redness
>> 
>> Just saw your post here and on the Yahoo! list, but thought that it’d be 
>> better if I replied here.
>> 
>> Before we knew my FeLV+ cat was FeLV+, her then-vet said that her gums were 
>> becoming irritated, and that I needed to switch her to Prescription Diet 
>> t/d. I did, and the irritation seemed to go away. She hasn't had any 
>> stomatitis or gingivitis issues since then *that I know of*.
>> 
>> I don’t know that this is the best solution to Kitty’s issue, but it might 
>> be something you could look into as a supplemental option, if she’s good 
>> about eating dry food and you think she’s not to the point where it hurts to 
>> eat. I don’t give Ember t/d as free-fed dry food any more, but instead give 
>> it to her as a treat (four or five pieces in the morning and again at 
>> night). Prescription Diet is not the best food, but the texture/composition 
>> of this particular formula seem to help with teeth and gum problems.
>> 
>> I think it would be good to consider giving Kitty interferon alpha and/or 
>> DMG. The latter is very inexpensive and easy to dose (either in semi-hard 
>> treat form or liquid form), and it does boost the immune system a bit. Your 
>> holistic vet might be able to tell you more about DMG and interferon.
>> 
>> Best wishes for Kitty,
>> 
>> Lance
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Avaykn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Beth,
>>> Thank you so much, she gets :
>>> lysine 500mg a day
>>> a feline multivitamin, Tabby tabs,
>>> Missing link amino supplement
>>> Mush a powdery mix of mushrooms
>>> Is there anything else I might be missing to give her.
>>> She is at a little over 10lbs and gets canned food twice a day and dr Lisa 
>>> Pierson's raw chicken recipe once a day.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Mally
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone.
>>> 
 On Oct 29, 2013, at 21:17, Beth  wrote:
 
 It could be the beginnings of Stomatitis. It's pretty common in the FeLV 
 kits. I've had a couple with it. Nasty stuff.  Try the L-lysine. I used 
 that with something else once & it worked great, but I can't for the life 
 of me remember what it was.
 
 Beth
 
 Avaykn  wrote:
 
> Hello everyone,
> Kitty, our 16 months old FeLV positive cat is showing a little redness on 
> her gums on her bottom left incisors. I have rubbed a little liquid 
> vitamin E and she has received a dosage of Calcarea carbonica, I'm 
> working with a holistic vet, but I was wondering what if any steps have 
> any of you taken when faced with this situation.
> Thanks,
> 
> Mally and Kitty
> Sent from my iPhone.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

[trustinhim13]

also preservatives.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Beth wrote:

Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at 
the deli counter has onions & or garlic added.


Beth

"Amanda K. Payne"  wrote:


Hi,

Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins 
B12, B6
and Thiamine, among other vitamins.  The belief is that this 
supplement
will help the animal produce more RBCs.  There is also a product 
called
Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals.  It does, 
however,

have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of.

Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins. 
It's

works by boosting the immune system's response.  FeLV+ felines are at
greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by 
boosting the

immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better.

I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive.  It could 
have
been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its 
own.
However, it also didn't hurt.  Several people on this forum have used 
one
or the other or both and have had success with them.  I truly believe 
that
if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover 
with the

help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;)

-A


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn  wrote:


Hi Amanda,
Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor?

Thanks,

Sent from my iPhone.

On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, "Amanda K. Payne" 


wrote:

Hello Katherine,

I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter 
are

very indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli,
started licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest 
in her
toys and food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely 
anemic.
 The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to 
treat
her.  She was also about six months when she started showing 
symptoms.


We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a
vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the 
anemia

but we lost her to FIP five months later.

I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The 
earlier

you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather  
wrote:


Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry 
with
any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me 
their
cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him 
to the

vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).

Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would 
rather
err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's 
definitely

worriesome.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. 
wrote:


Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and 
reading
past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of 
times
recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat 
Litter
made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a 
tendency to lick
the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be 
symptoms

of anemia..missing a mineral or something.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather  
wrote:


Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually 
near
death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked 
asap.  FELV+
cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ 
cats and
think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have 
some advice.


Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be 
addressed

quickly.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. 
wrote:


Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the 
opposite

problem - pale gums.

One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a
little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy 
look to
it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared 
to his 3
siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are 
on lysine

and getting wet and dry food.

I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from 
the
vet. Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but 
perhaps less so

than usual.

Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

[trustinhim13]

Katherine, he may be slightly anemic? Have you ever used Pet-tinic? It 
is a liquid vitamin. Vets used to carry it. I got mine at a good price 
from Amazon. It's cheap. I think it is has iron in it. and it works for 
my FEV+ kitty who every now an then has pale gums. Carolyn


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Katherine K. wrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite 
problem - pale gums.


One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little 
skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I 
checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 
siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine 
and getting wet and dry food.


I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet. 
Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so 
than usual.


Katherine


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

[Margo]

Hi Katherine (I think:)
    Much as I hate to recommend a yahoo group these days, the Feline Anemia group is an incredible resource. Even if you only read the files, you will find there's much to be done. And the more you know, the better advocate you can be for your boy.
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline_Anemia/info
Wishing you and Terence the best,
Margo
 
-Original Message- From: "Katherine K." Sent: Oct 30, 2013 9:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums 
Thanks everyone. Terence's PCV is around 13%. Temperature yesterday was 102.9. He got a shot of Convenia and we started the lixotinic. Gums looking slightly pinker today. I'm waiting to hear if his red blood cells look like they are regenerative or non regenerative. 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Beth  wrote:
Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at the deli counter has onions & or garlic added.Beth
"Amanda K. Payne"  wrote:

>Hi,>>Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins B12, B6>and Thiamine, among other vitamins.  The belief is that this supplement>will help the animal produce more RBCs.  There is also a product called>Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals.  It does, however,>have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of.>>Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins.  It's>works by boosting the immune system's response.  FeLV+ felines are at>greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by boosting the>immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better.>>I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive.  It could have>been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its own.> However, it also didn't hurt.  Several people on this forum have used one>or the other or both and have had success with them.  I truly believe that>if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover with the>help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;)>>-A>>>On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn  wrote:>>> Hi Amanda,>> Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor? Thanks, Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, "Amanda K. Payne" >> wrote: Hello Katherine, I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter are>> very indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli,>> started licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest in her>> toys and food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely anemic.>>  The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat>> her.  She was also about six months when she started showing symptoms. We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a>> vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the anemia>> but we lost her to FIP five months later. I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The earlier>> you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather  wrote:> Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry with>>> any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me their>>> cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the>>> vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).>> Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather>>> err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely>>> worriesome.> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. wrote:

>>> Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of anemia..missing a mineral or something. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather  wrote:> Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near> death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+> cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and> think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice.>> Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed> quickly.>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. wrote:>>> Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite>> problem - pale gums. One of my positive kittens Terence h

Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

[Katherine K.]

Thanks everyone. Terence's PCV is around 13%. Temperature yesterday was
102.9. He got a shot of Convenia and we started the lixotinic. Gums looking
slightly pinker today. I'm waiting to hear if his red blood cells look like
they are regenerative or non regenerative.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Beth  wrote:

> Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at the
> deli counter has onions & or garlic added.
>
> Beth
>
> "Amanda K. Payne"  wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins B12, B6
> >and Thiamine, among other vitamins.  The belief is that this supplement
> >will help the animal produce more RBCs.  There is also a product called
> >Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals.  It does, however,
> >have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of.
> >
> >Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins.  It's
> >works by boosting the immune system's response.  FeLV+ felines are at
> >greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by boosting the
> >immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better.
> >
> >I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive.  It could have
> >been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its own.
> > However, it also didn't hurt.  Several people on this forum have used one
> >or the other or both and have had success with them.  I truly believe that
> >if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover with the
> >help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;)
> >
> >-A
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Amanda,
> >> Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone.
> >>
> >> On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, "Amanda K. Payne" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Katherine,
> >>
> >> I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter are
> >> very indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli,
> >> started licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest in
> her
> >> toys and food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely
> anemic.
> >>  The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat
> >> her.  She was also about six months when she started showing symptoms.
> >>
> >> We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a
> >> vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the anemia
> >> but we lost her to FIP five months later.
> >>
> >> I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The earlier
> >> you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry
> with
> >>> any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me
> their
> >>> cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to
> the
> >>> vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).
> >>>
> >>> Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would
> rather
> >>> err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely
> >>> worriesome.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K.  >wrote:
> >>>
>  Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading
>  past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of
> times
>  recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat
> Litter
>  made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency
> to lick
>  the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be
> symptoms
>  of anemia..missing a mineral or something.
> 
> 
>  On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather 
> wrote:
> 
> > Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually
> near
> > death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.
>  FELV+
> > cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats
> and
> > think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some
> advice.
> >
> > Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
> > quickly.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K.  >wrote:
> >
> >> Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
> >> problem - pale gums.
> >>
> >> One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a
> >> little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy
> look to
> >> it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to
> his 3
> >> siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on
> lysine
> >> and getting wet and dry food.
> >>
> >> I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixoti

Re: [Felvtalk] Gum redness

[Avaykn]

Hello,

Thank you so much, she gets :
lysine 500mg a day 
a feline multivitamin, Tabby tabs, 
Missing link amino supplement
Mush a powdery mix of mushrooms
Is there anything else I might be missing to give her.
She is at a little over 10lbs and gets canned food twice a day and dr Lisa 
Pierson's raw chicken recipe once a day.
Do you think adding DMG, interferon, pet tinic and/or transfer factor plus 
would help?

Thanks,

Mally
Sent from my iPhone.

> On Oct 29, 2013, at 23:04,  wrote:
> 
> You can get DMG without a prescription at Amazon, and
> I imagine many other places. That's where I get it.
> 
> Chris C.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Lance
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gum redness
> 
> Just saw your post here and on the Yahoo! list, but thought that it’d be 
> better if I replied here.
> 
> Before we knew my FeLV+ cat was FeLV+, her then-vet said that her gums were 
> becoming irritated, and that I needed to switch her to Prescription Diet t/d. 
> I did, and the irritation seemed to go away. She hasn't had any stomatitis or 
> gingivitis issues since then *that I know of*.
> 
> I don’t know that this is the best solution to Kitty’s issue, but it might be 
> something you could look into as a supplemental option, if she’s good about 
> eating dry food and you think she’s not to the point where it hurts to eat. I 
> don’t give Ember t/d as free-fed dry food any more, but instead give it to 
> her as a treat (four or five pieces in the morning and again at night). 
> Prescription Diet is not the best food, but the texture/composition of this 
> particular formula seem to help with teeth and gum problems.
> 
> I think it would be good to consider giving Kitty interferon alpha and/or 
> DMG. The latter is very inexpensive and easy to dose (either in semi-hard 
> treat form or liquid form), and it does boost the immune system a bit. Your 
> holistic vet might be able to tell you more about DMG and interferon.
> 
> Best wishes for Kitty,
> 
> Lance
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Avaykn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Beth,
>> Thank you so much, she gets :
>> lysine 500mg a day
>> a feline multivitamin, Tabby tabs,
>> Missing link amino supplement
>> Mush a powdery mix of mushrooms
>> Is there anything else I might be missing to give her.
>> She is at a little over 10lbs and gets canned food twice a day and dr Lisa 
>> Pierson's raw chicken recipe once a day.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mally
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone.
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 21:17, Beth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It could be the beginnings of Stomatitis. It's pretty common in the FeLV 
>>> kits. I've had a couple with it. Nasty stuff.  Try the L-lysine. I used 
>>> that with something else once & it worked great, but I can't for the life 
>>> of me remember what it was.
>>> 
>>> Beth
>>> 
>>> Avaykn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 Kitty, our 16 months old FeLV positive cat is showing a little redness on 
 her gums on her bottom left incisors. I have rubbed a little liquid 
 vitamin E and she has received a dosage of Calcarea carbonica, I'm working 
 with a holistic vet, but I was wondering what if any steps have any of you 
 taken when faced with this situation.
 Thanks,
 
 Mally and Kitty
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