Re: [Felvtalk] So frustrated

2015-01-21 Thread Kelley S
Thanks Margo.  I expect Dr Garden would be best, but I am just highly
uncomfortable with spending $600 on a cold.  Then if someone God forbid
breaks their leg or something in the middle of the night I'm screwed.  I
will ask Dr Smith about this.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
wrote:

  Kelley,

 Sorry this has been so frustrating. I want to comment o
 one particular statement;

 it is likely the URI panel will tell
 us the cause is viral, in which case antibiotics were never indicated to
 begin with and there is no cure for a virus.

  That's not entirely true. The panel might target which
 antibiotic would actually work if it's a secondary bacterial infection.
 But, it IS more likely that it was basically viral. I know you said you
 love this Vet, but perhaps she's not familiar with the use of famciclovir
 inn cats with URI's. It doesn't work with anything but herpes, but since
 that is a frequent cause of URI in cats, it's certainly worth a shot. I've
 had very good results with it, and it has become one of my first lines of
 defense for my FeLV babies. If they sniffle or sneeze more than 24 hours,
 they start on it.

 This article addresses t's use in Herpes, focusing on the ocular aspect,
 but dosing is discussed, and the URI  connection;

 http://www.vscot.com/LibraryForms/FamciclovirUseFelineHerpes.pdf

 This covers a study with URIs as well as ocular and dermatitis...

 Maybe someone will let you try it.

 HTH,



 Margo

 -Original Message-
 From: Kelley S
 Sent: Jan 21, 2015 7:23 PM
 To: felvtalk
 Subject: [Felvtalk] So frustrated

 Well, it has been over a month and Merlin still has a cold. He has no
 ocular or nasal involvement. He has sneezing and congestion. When I took
 him to the vet in my new location, he diagnosed him with a mouth tumor.
 Also gave him antibiotics. I took him back for surgery a week later. I
 called that am and told them he was still symptomatic and asked if they
 wanted me to bring him in and they said yes because they thought the tumor
 may be contributing to his breathing problem.

 I contacted the holistic vet up here and they gave me an estimate of $600.
 The office visit is $200, which I actually get because they give you an
 entire hour. Then they want to run a URI panel, which is another $200, and
 then some other test which I can't remember. Merlin is worth any amount of
 money to me, but I do have other cats and I just have a problem spending
 $600 on a cold when either he or they may need something more urgently
 later and if I have already spent money I will not have the money then.

 So I called my old holistic vet, who I dearly love. I told her what this
 vet wanted to do, and she asked who the vet was, I told her, she said she
 knew of her but did not know her. So she said the URI panel will tell
 what is causing the URI, but as he has had antibiotics additional
 antibiotics are not going to help, so it is likely the URI panel will tell
 us the cause is viral, in which case antibiotics were never indicated to
 begin with and there is no cure for a virus. So that's basically a waste
 of $200. That concerns me. My old vet didn't come right out and say it
 but I don't think she is pleased with this vet. She doesn't think Merlin
 should have been under anaesthesia a week after tx for a cold. Also the
 vet apparently gave him 2 doses of Revolution a week apart. He did not
 tell me or charge me for the last one but it is in his chart. Also he took
 2 teeth out and did not tell me. So, does he need a dental? If so I would
 have highly preferred them to call and ask to do it while he was already
 under.

 My holistic vet wants him to be on Natrum Muriaticum, which I looked up and
 it is table salt. At least if that is a waste of money it will be a waste
 of .88. Also wants him nebulized with saline, and on a raw diet which I am
 lagging badly in having him on.

 By the way, I am not getting anyone's initial posts here. Sometimes I get
 the follow ups. No way to tell if I am getting them all.

 Kelley, Merlin, and Coco.


 ___
 Felvtalk mailing list
 Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org


___
Felvtalk mailing list
Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org


[Felvtalk] So frustrated

2015-01-21 Thread Kelley S
Well, it has been over a month and Merlin still has a cold.  He has no
ocular or nasal involvement.  He has sneezing and congestion.  When I took
him to the vet in my new location, he diagnosed him with a mouth tumor.
Also gave him antibiotics.  I took him back for surgery a week later. I
called that am and told them he was still symptomatic and asked if they
wanted me to bring him in and they said yes because they thought the tumor
may be contributing to his breathing problem.

I contacted the holistic vet up here and they gave me an estimate of $600.
The office visit is $200, which I actually get because they give you an
entire hour.  Then they want to run a URI panel, which is another $200, and
then some other test which I can't remember.  Merlin is worth any amount of
money to me, but I do have other cats and I just have a problem spending
$600 on a cold when either he or they may need something more urgently
later and if I have already spent money I will not have the money then.

So I called my old holistic vet, who I dearly love.  I told her what this
vet wanted to do, and she asked who the vet was, I told her, she said she
knew of her but did not know her.   So she said the URI panel will tell
what is causing the URI, but as he has had antibiotics additional
antibiotics are not going to help, so it is likely the URI panel will tell
us the cause is viral, in which case antibiotics were never indicated to
begin with and there is no cure for a virus.  So that's basically a waste
of $200.  That concerns me.  My old vet didn't come right out and say it
but I don't think she is pleased with this vet.  She doesn't think Merlin
should have been under anaesthesia a week after tx for a cold.  Also the
vet apparently gave him 2 doses of Revolution a week apart.  He did not
tell me or charge me for the last one but it is in his chart.  Also he took
2 teeth out and did not tell me.  So, does he need a dental?  If so I would
have highly preferred them to call and ask to do it while he was already
under.

My holistic vet wants him to be on Natrum Muriaticum, which I looked up and
it is table salt.  At least if that is a waste of money it will be a waste
of .88.  Also wants him nebulized with saline, and on a raw diet which I am
lagging badly in having him on.

By the way, I am not getting anyone's initial posts here.  Sometimes I get
the follow ups.  No way to tell if I am getting them all.

Kelley, Merlin, and Coco.
___
Felvtalk mailing list
Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org


Re: [Felvtalk] So frustrated

2015-01-21 Thread Margo


Kelley,
 Sorry this has been so frustrating. I want to comment o one particular statement;
"it is likely the URI panel will tellus the cause is viral, in which case antibiotics were never indicated tobegin with and there is no cure for a virus."
 That's not entirely true. The panel might target which antibiotic would actually work if it's a secondary bacterial infection. But, it IS more likely that it was basically viral. I know you said you love this Vet, but perhaps she's not familiar with the use of famciclovir inn cats with URI's. It doesn't work with anything but herpes, but since that is a frequent cause of URI in cats, it's certainly worth a shot. I've had very good results with it, and it has become one of my first lines of defense for my FeLV babies. If they sniffle or sneeze more than 24 hours, they start on it.
This article addresses t's use in Herpes, focusing on the ocular aspect, but dosing is discussed, and the URI connection;
http://www.vscot.com/LibraryForms/FamciclovirUseFelineHerpes.pdf
This covers a study with URIs as well as ocular and dermatitis...
Maybe someone will let you try it.
HTH,

Margo
-Original Message- From: Kelley S Sent: Jan 21, 2015 7:23 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] So frustrated Well, it has been over a month and Merlin still has a cold. He has noocular or nasal involvement. He has sneezing and congestion. When I tookhim to the vet in my new location, he diagnosed him with a mouth tumor.Also gave him antibiotics. I took him back for surgery a week later. Icalled that am and told them he was still symptomatic and asked if theywanted me to bring him in and they said yes because they thought the tumormay be contributing to his breathing problem.I contacted the holistic vet up here and they gave me an estimate of $600.The office visit is $200, which I actually get because they give you anentire hour. Then they want to run a URI panel, which is another $200, andthen some other test which I can't remember. Merlin is worth any amount ofmoney to me, but I do have other cats and I just have a problem spending$600 on a cold when either he or they may need something more urgentlylater and if I have already spent money I will not have the money then.So I called my old holistic vet, who I dearly love. I told her what thisvet wanted to do, and she asked who the vet was, I told her, she said sheknew of her but did not know her. So she said the URI panel will tellwhat is causing the URI, but as he has had antibiotics additionalantibiotics are not going to help, so it is likely the URI panel will tellus the cause is viral, in which case antibiotics were never indicated tobegin with and there is no cure for a virus. So that's basically a wasteof $200. That concerns me. My old vet didn't come right out and say itbut I don't think she is pleased with this vet. She doesn't think Merlinshould have been under anaesthesia a week after tx for a cold. Also thevet apparently gave him 2 doses of Revolution a week apart. He did nottell me or charge me for the last one but it is in his chart. Also he took2 teeth out and did not tell me. So, does he need a dental? If so I wouldhave highly preferred them to call and ask to do it while he was alreadyunder.My holistic vet wants him to be on Natrum Muriaticum, which I looked up andit is table salt. At least if that is a waste of money it will be a wasteof .88. Also wants him nebulized with saline, and on a raw diet which I amlagging badly in having him on.By the way, I am not getting anyone's initial posts here. Sometimes I getthe follow ups. No way to tell if I am getting them all.Kelley, Merlin, and Coco.

___
Felvtalk mailing list
Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org


Re: [Felvtalk] So frustrated

2015-01-21 Thread Marsha
Thanks for posting that link, Margo. I'll save it and print a copy to 
take to the vet next time I have to deal with a URI.  I asked about it 
during Harley's hospitalization, but the vet wasn't familiar with its 
use in cats, and tends to be cautious with newer things.  Would have 
been nice if Harley's hospital stay could have been shortened.10-11 
days and around $7800.  Going to have to shorten my sabbatical.  Funny 
thing about the sabbatical - I haven't accomplished all I set out to do, 
but am so thankful that it gave me the time to spend with Milkdud in his 
last few weeks on Earth, and I also had the time to focus on Harley and 
visit him every day, sometimes even for an hour or more.  No stress from 
work, asking for days off, or getting no sleep in between shifts.


Marsha

On 1/21/2015 6:45 PM, Margo wrote:


 That's not entirely true. The panel might target 
which antibiotic would actually work if it's a secondary bacterial 
infection. But, it IS more likely that it was basically viral. I know 
you said you love this Vet, but perhaps she's not familiar with the 
use of famciclovir inn cats with URI's. It doesn't work with anything 
but herpes, but since that is a frequent cause of URI in cats, it's 
certainly worth a shot. I've had very good results with it, and it has 
become one of my first lines of defense for my FeLV babies. If they 
sniffle or sneeze more than 24 hours, they start on it.


This article addresses t's use in Herpes, focusing on the ocular 
aspect, but dosing is discussed, and the URI  connection;


http://www.vscot.com/LibraryForms/FamciclovirUseFelineHerpes.pdf

This covers a study with URIs as well as ocular and dermatitis...

Maybe someone will let you try it.




___
Felvtalk mailing list
Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org


Re: [Felvtalk] So frustrated

2015-01-21 Thread Kelley S
I mailed this url to Dr Smith.  Thank you.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

  Thanks for posting that link, Margo.  I'll save it and print a copy to
 take to the vet next time I have to deal with a URI.  I asked about it
 during Harley's hospitalization, but the vet wasn't familiar with its use
 in cats, and tends to be cautious with newer things.  Would have been nice
 if Harley's hospital stay could have been shortened.10-11 days and
 around $7800.  Going to have to shorten my sabbatical.  Funny thing about
 the sabbatical - I haven't accomplished all I set out to do, but am so
 thankful that it gave me the time to spend with Milkdud in his last few
 weeks on Earth, and I also had the time to focus on Harley and visit him
 every day, sometimes even for an hour or more.  No stress from work, asking
 for days off, or getting no sleep in between shifts.

 Marsha

 On 1/21/2015 6:45 PM, Margo wrote:

  That's not entirely true. The panel might target which
 antibiotic would actually work if it's a secondary bacterial infection.
 But, it IS more likely that it was basically viral. I know you said you
 love this Vet, but perhaps she's not familiar with the use of famciclovir
 inn cats with URI's. It doesn't work with anything but herpes, but since
 that is a frequent cause of URI in cats, it's certainly worth a shot. I've
 had very good results with it, and it has become one of my first lines of
 defense for my FeLV babies. If they sniffle or sneeze more than 24 hours,
 they start on it.

 This article addresses t's use in Herpes, focusing on the ocular aspect,
 but dosing is discussed, and the URI  connection;

 http://www.vscot.com/LibraryForms/FamciclovirUseFelineHerpes.pdf

 This covers a study with URIs as well as ocular and dermatitis...

 Maybe someone will let you try it.



 ___
 Felvtalk mailing list
 Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org


___
Felvtalk mailing list
Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org