Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Margo]

It's arguably possible that Sidney brought it in, or is a carrier. Or, even that Callie has had a latent infection that has surfaced. The vaccine has limited efficacy, and duration, so a weakened immune system could contribute.
Whatever the cause, I hope hat she rallies quickly!
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message- From: Kelley S Sent: Feb 23, 2015 6:10 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats Lance,The "c" in the FVRCP vaccine is calicivirus. It covers calici,Rhinotracheitis,andPanleukopenia. Current recommendations are for the initial series as akitten, then a booster not more often than every 3 years. I'm just tryingto figure out how on earth she could possibly have been exposed.KelleyOn Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lance wrote:> I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met> another cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is> Sidney.>> I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she> probably had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent> vaccination.>> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S wrote:>> Lance,>> I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated? I've> only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just> seems odd they would be exposed to it. I wonder if it can lie dormant and> surface later?>> In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine. We> had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100%> recovery.>> Kelley>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance wrote:>>> Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been>> fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that.> ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org>>

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Kelley S]

Marsha,

I don't think ANY vaccine can possibly hope to cover all the various
strains of anything.  I just find it so odd that a mature cat would all of
a sudden come down with calici, as their immune systems, absent FELV, are
quite well developed after a year of age.  I'm not a vet and am not trying
to doubt their diagnosis.  Just trying to figure it out.

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Marsha  wrote:

> Sounds like a good plan.
>
>
> On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Lance wrote:
>
>> I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or
>> tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give
>> Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will
>> require deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we
>> give to Sidney. I’ll do it now.”
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Marsha]

Sounds like a good plan.


On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Lance wrote:

I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or 
tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give 
Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will require 
deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we give to Sidney. 
I’ll do it now.”




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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Marsha]

I found out last year that the vaccine doesn't cover all possible 
strains of calicivirus.  One area vet told of a severe case of it he'd 
seen in a cat that had been vaccinated.


I too, wonder if upper respiratory viruses can lie dormant.  I will 
never know for sure what Harley had in December, but several months 
earlier he had an inflammation in his mouth that went away, possibly 
herpes or calici trying to assert itself.  Or maybe it was something 
else.  But whatever it was manifested when we had a temperature 
inversion that impacted air quality and lasted for something like 10 
days.  No other cat got sick with a URI, not even Harley's FeLV+ 
roommate Brock.  First part of the illness was a very sore throat & 
inflamed larynx.  Harley didn't eat because it was impossible or too 
painful.  The 2nd phase was the nasal part.  That's when he developed a 
fever, and had copious amounts of nasal discharge (couldn't breathe 
through his nose at all for a day or so), and some eye discharge also.


Marsha

On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Kelley S wrote:

Lance,

I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  
I've only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a 
kittenit just seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if 
it can lie dormant and surface later?


In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out 
fine.  We had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, 
but he had a 100% recovery.



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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Kelley S]

Lance,

The "c" in the FVRCP vaccine is calicivirus.  It covers calici,
Rhinotracheitis,
and
Panleukopenia.   Current recommendations are for the initial series as a
kitten, then a booster not more often than every 3 years.   I'm just trying
to figure out how on earth she could possibly have been exposed.

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lance  wrote:

> I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met
> another cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is
> Sidney.
>
> I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she
> probably had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent
> vaccination.
>
> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
>
> Lance,
>
> I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  I've
> only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just
> seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if it can lie dormant and
> surface later?
>
> In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine.  We
> had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100%
> recovery.
>
> Kelley
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance  wrote:
>
>> Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been
>> fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched.
>>
>> Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that.
>>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met another 
cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is Sidney.

I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she probably 
had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent vaccination.

> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> Lance,
> 
> I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  I've 
> only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just 
> seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if it can lie dormant and 
> surface later?
> 
> In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine.  We 
> had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100% 
> recovery.
> 
> Kelley
> 
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance  > wrote:
> Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been 
> fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. 
> 
> Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or 
tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give 
Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will require 
deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we give to Sidney. 
I’ll do it now.”

> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> Vets around here tend to avoid Metacam and favor Buprenex.  I worry about the 
> kidneys with Metacam. Hopefully they went with a minimal dose for Sidney.  A 
> dose of longer acting Buprenex seems to be recently popular in my area, for 
> post-dental pain relief.  Then the owners don't have to give any pain killer 
> at home.  But I have had 2 cats apparently hallucinate on that.  One was very 
> mild.  She was sitting on my lap, and trying to catch a string or something 
> that was floating in the air just above.  It was a very brief occurence.  The 
> other had a more pronounced reaction.  He thought he saw a mouse and was 
> intent on catching it.  Every time I moved what it seemed to be under, there 
> was nothing there, but he made a dash after it to its new hiding place.  At 
> first the other cats believed there must be a mouse, and they joined the 
> chase.  After about a half hour, they realized there was nothing there and 
> wandered off.  He seemed to see it for a another hour or two, but he must 
> have spent around 12 hours checking the places he thought it went.  He didn't 
> sleep for more than 24 hours.  My vet put a note in his file.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> On 2/23/2015 4:27 PM, Lance wrote:
>> The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
>> certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth 
>> were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
>> 
>> I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
>> parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a 
>> problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
>> 
>> Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details 
>> since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she 
>> might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she 
>> has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every 
>> six hours to help treat the ulcers.
>> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Kelley S]

Lance,

I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  I've
only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just
seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if it can lie dormant and
surface later?

In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine.  We
had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100%
recovery.

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance  wrote:

> Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been
> fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched.
>
> Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that.
>
> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
>
> Hi Lance,
>
> I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed
> with it.  There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with
> dental issues.  It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm
> in any case.  Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted.
> That's odd they suspect calici.  Have they been exposed to any other cats?
>
> Kelley
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance  wrote:
>
>> The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were
>> almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some
>> teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
>>
>> I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer
>> my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a
>> problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
>>
>> Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details
>> since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she
>> might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she
>> has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every
>> six hours to help treat the ulcers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been 
fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. 

Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. 

> On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lance,
> 
> I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed 
> with it.  There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with 
> dental issues.  It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm in 
> any case.  Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted.  
> That's odd they suspect calici.  Have they been exposed to any other cats? 
> 
> Kelley
> 
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance  > wrote:
> The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
> certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth 
> were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
> 
> I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
> parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a 
> problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
> 
> Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details 
> since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she 
> might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has 
> an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six 
> hours to help treat the ulcers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Kelley S]

Hi Lance,

I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed
with it.  There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with
dental issues.  It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm
in any case.  Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted.
That's odd they suspect calici.  Have they been exposed to any other cats?

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance  wrote:

> The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were
> almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some
> teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
>
> I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer
> my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a
> problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
>
> Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details
> since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she
> might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she
> has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every
> six hours to help treat the ulcers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Marsha]

Vets around here tend to avoid Metacam and favor Buprenex.  I worry 
about the kidneys with Metacam. Hopefully they went with a minimal dose 
for Sidney.  A dose of longer acting Buprenex seems to be recently 
popular in my area, for post-dental pain relief.  Then the owners don't 
have to give any pain killer at home.  But I have had 2 cats apparently 
hallucinate on that.  One was very mild.  She was sitting on my lap, and 
trying to catch a string or something that was floating in the air just 
above.  It was a very brief occurence.  The other had a more pronounced 
reaction.  He thought he saw a mouse and was intent on catching it.  
Every time I moved what it seemed to be under, there was nothing there, 
but he made a dash after it to its new hiding place.  At first the other 
cats believed there must be a mouse, and they joined the chase.  After 
about a half hour, they realized there was nothing there and wandered 
off.  He seemed to see it for a another hour or two, but he must have 
spent around 12 hours checking the places he thought it went.  He didn't 
sleep for more than 24 hours.  My vet put a note in his file.


Marsha

On 2/23/2015 4:27 PM, Lance wrote:

The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were 
pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.

I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, 
but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.

Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since 
I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she might be 
dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an 
autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours 
to help treat the ulcers.




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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were 
pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients. 

I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, 
but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.

Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since 
I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she might be 
dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an 
autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours 
to help treat the ulcers.
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