Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 24, Issue 12

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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:06:14 -0500
From: Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Tigger's Condition

[Rachel Dagner]

Wow! That is an amazing story! So glad you are here to tell it. I am hoping by 
boosting Tucker's immune system I can help his body kick into fighting mode. 
What is really weird is that his blood work is all completely normal. My vet 
told me sometimes it is even with cancer. I guess the only way I will be able 
to tell if he is improving is do another X-ray in several months and see if it 
looks the same. 

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> On Apr 29, 2016, at 5:53 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> when i had lyphoma, the last chemo knocked my red cells down and the dr 
> stopped it.  i am wondering if this would help humans fighting lyphoma and 
> chemo?  what is it's shelf life?  might not hurt to have some on hand just in 
> case.  YES, i would be willing to try it siince the dr. told me none of the 
> chemos did any good nd i was back to 3 months.  1 year later i went into 
> spontaneous remission and have been there now for 10 years.  maybe if we had 
> ghone with winstrol to begin with.
> 
> 
>  Amani Oakley  wrote: 
>> Hi Everyone
>> 
>> With Ardy's permission, I want to share with everyone, the very promising 
>> results we have gotten with the use of Winstrol.
>> 
>> When Ardy first contacted me, she provided me with Tigger's lab results. As 
>> Ardy has mentioned, the results were pretty grim. The key findings for me 
>> were:
>> 
>> March 12/16 Red Cells:  1.07(RR: 5-10)
>>Haematocrit 6.3 (RR: 30.0 - 45.0%)
>>Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1)
>>Reticulocyte5.2%
>>WBC 3.3 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5)
>>%Neutrophils16.4%
>>%Lymphocytes64.0%
>>%Monocytes
>>NRBCNone recorded
>> 
>> Even though there are no reference ranges listed for the percentage 
>> distribution of neutrophils and lymphocytes, I know this distribution 
>> pattern is abnormal. There should be more neutrophils and lymphocytes in 
>> cats, with the ratio being something like 1.8/1, so maybe 45% neutrophils 
>> and 25% to 35% lymphocytes would be the kind of range one would like to see. 
>> The very high lymphocyte count here (higher than the neutrophils) suggests 
>> these are leukemic cells - ie abnormal lymphocytes produced as a result of 
>> the viral infection.
>> 
>> Ardy frantically tried all kinds of places to get the Winstrol and she was 
>> finally able to get some and start Tigger on it, on March 15 - so three days 
>> after this blood work was drawn.
>> 
>> The next set of blood results showed an slight increase in red cells, a 
>> significant increase in the haematocrit, haemoglobin, reticulocytes, and a 
>> reversion of the neutrophil/lymphocyte distribution to what one would prefer 
>> to see.
>> 
>> March 25/16 Red Cells   1.70(RR: 5-10)
>>Haematocrit 14.1(RR: 30.0 - 45%)
>>Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1)
>>Reticulocyte(Not done)
>>WBC 3.1 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5)
>>%Neutrophils43%
>>%Lymphocytes20%
>>%Monocytes  26%
>>%Blasts 9%
>>NRBC9/100 WBC   (Normal is 0)
>> 
>> 
>> So we started to see a slight increase in the red cell count (which although 
>> it still is well out of reference range, is a 70% in increase from the 
>> previous awful result. The haematocrit more than doubled. The haemoglobin 
>> stayed about the same. The reticulocyte level wasn't done but we started to 
>> see nucleated red blood cells (NRBC) appearing, which are immature red cells 
>> which still have their nuclei - mature red cells do not have nuclei. This 
>> indicates they are being pushed out early by the bone marrow in response to 
>> the low red cell count. The neutrophil/lymphocyte ratio has normalized, but 
>> the monocytes are quite high (usually are low like 2% or so) and are 
>> indicative of an inflammatory process going on. The total white cell count 
>> was still lower than the reference range, suggesting a depression of this 
>> cell line as well.
>> 
>> Not surprisingly, the pathologist who reviewed this set of blood results 
>> said (in part) the following: "This anemia appears NON-REGENERATIVE, and 
>> although I can't confirm the exact cause based on this CBC alone, given this 
>> appearance, and especially the macrocytosis [elevated monocytes] and 
>> metarubricytosis [presence of lots of nucleated red blood cells] and in the 
>> face of minimal polychromasia, FeLV is my top differential. . . . The blasts 
>> noted do appear consistent with lymphoblasts. . . While they could be 
>> neoplastic, their overall concentration is small, and I could not confirm 
>> neoplasia as seen here."
>> 
>> In the meantime, Ardy was reporting that Tigger was not needing as much pain 
>> medication 

Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building

[Rachel Dagner]

I am very sorry for your loss, you were the best mommy Brock could have asked 
for. 

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> On Apr 29, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> Brock left this earthly plane this afternoon.  This morning he didn't get out 
> of the lounge chair to greet me, refused his heart pills again, and his third 
> eyelids were showing.  He did eat all the food I brought him though - he 
> licked off the spoon as I held it up in front of him on the lounge chair.  We 
> did half, then the other half later.  I visited with him a lot.  He spent 
> most of his time in his lounge chair on his fleece blanket, but once he got 
> down and took a short stroll through his domain.  Usually I am in the lounge 
> chair, with Brock on my lap.  Such a tired boy; his bone marrow was no longer 
> working as it should - low RBC, WBC, and platelets, and not making new.  He 
> had Feline Leukemia Virus, survived a year with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy & 
> CHF, and just recently developed lymphoma.  So not fair to such a sweet and 
> handsome boy.
> 
> He received a sedative first and we spent a half hour or 45 minutes together. 
>  His paw rested on my hand.  As he relaxed, he ever so lightly made biscuits 
> on my hand.  He even did his elevator butt routine, but laying down instead 
> of standing up.
> 
> He was only with me a year and a half, but he had so much love to give out 
> during that time, that there is now another permanent scar on my heart.  
> Along with too many others that are still somewhat fresh.
> 
> Dearest Brock, visit me soon in my dreams.  I left the patio lights on for 
> your spirit to find the way back to Fort Shappell.
> 
> Marsha
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building

[Margo]

Marsha, I'm so sorry. It's always too soon, but this was especially hard for 
you, I know. I think you'll find he's curled up in your heart to wait for you...

Lend Me a Kitten

I will lend to you for awhile a kitten, God said.
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead.
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three.
But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me?

He'll bring his charms to gladden you and, should his stay be brief
You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief.
I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return.
But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn.

I've looked the whole world over in search of teachers true.
And from the folk that crowds life's land I have chosen you.
Now will you give him all your love, nor think the labor vain?
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again?

I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'
For all the joys this kitten brings the risk of grief we'll run.
We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may.
And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay.

But should you call him back much sooner than we planned,
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand.
If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve,
Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve.
When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife,
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life.

Author Unknown

Wishing you peace, and healing,

Margo


-Original Message-
>From: Marsha 
>Sent: Apr 29, 2016 6:29 PM
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Subject: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building
>
>Brock left this earthly plane this afternoon.  This morning he didn't 
>get out of the lounge chair to greet me, refused his heart pills again, 
>and his third eyelids were showing.  He did eat all the food I brought 
>him though - he licked off the spoon as I held it up in front of him on 
>the lounge chair.  We did half, then the other half later.  I visited 
>with him a lot.  He spent most of his time in his lounge chair on his 
>fleece blanket, but once he got down and took a short stroll through his 
>domain.  Usually I am in the lounge chair, with Brock on my lap.  Such a 
>tired boy; his bone marrow was no longer working as it should - low RBC, 
>WBC, and platelets, and not making new.  He had Feline Leukemia Virus, 
>survived a year with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy & CHF, and just recently 
>developed lymphoma.  So not fair to such a sweet and handsome boy.
>
>He received a sedative first and we spent a half hour or 45 minutes 
>together.  His paw rested on my hand.  As he relaxed, he ever so lightly 
>made biscuits on my hand.  He even did his elevator butt routine, but 
>laying down instead of standing up.
>
>He was only with me a year and a half, but he had so much love to give 
>out during that time, that there is now another permanent scar on my 
>heart.  Along with too many others that are still somewhat fresh.
>
>Dearest Brock, visit me soon in my dreams.  I left the patio lights on 
>for your spirit to find the way back to Fort Shappell.
>
>Marsha
>
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