Re: [Felvtalk] tigger

2016-05-17 Thread Ardy Robertson
Thank you Jane,

I hope Tigger and all animals do come to heaven..I really believe they will.
I have read that the lion will lie down with the lamb, so I'm a believer
too!!

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 11:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] tigger
Importance: High

 

Hi Ardy.

 

I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger has
gone to cat heaven.  He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of personality
and mischevious.  I love those kind, they always keep you smiling.  You did
your best to help him.  I had 12 cats diagnosed positive about a year and a
half ago and since that time I have lost 7.  Two just died in April, one had
FIP and the other just layed down and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw
signs something was off for about a week.  I have 2 more that started
problems last week.  One is 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and
now is not eating well.  She also has a heart condition.  I am waiting to
see what happens.  The other one is not eating much and is not herself.  I
just had her to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad.
We talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am
waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan.  My 13 year old
positive has a heart murmur and we are thinking of not putting him on
Winstrol because it says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions.
His blood work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though
his appetite is good.  And my other positive also has FIV and is starting to
have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time.  If winstrol increases
appetites, that would not be good for him.  I did not do blood work on him
yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at this time.  

 

I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I loose a
cat and it makes me feel a little bit better.  Makes me smile and cry. I do
belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they do.  I need to
believe this.  

 

Jane

 


 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-17 Thread Ardy Robertson
Bob,
After having just gone through this with my Tigger, I wholeheartedly agree with 
the treatment options Amani is outlining. And better to get started very very 
soon!
Ardy



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 7:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Hi Bob

As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only 
suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's 
eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but 
it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect 
contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with 
the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to 
soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.

If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and 
there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any 
inflammation and that may help.

Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not 
all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be 
done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or 
non-regenerative.

At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral 
reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV 
virus.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any of 
you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering 
it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard 
to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular 
anabolics used by body builders and athletes??

Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)   I 
recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I 
volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in 
a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not 
been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was 
eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI  Last week he 
developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what appear to be burst 
capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular 
visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the 
cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that 
vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to 
FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment wi
 th Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I think 
the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on 
the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to 
detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted 
rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading 
vocaciously   I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep 
my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them...   I'm already 
providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love 
and attention than they ever would have known.  Still his eye looks " 
angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain..Making an 
appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and 
Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have not 
 gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not severely anemic But have NO 
idea what might have caused the blood in his eye.  also there is some clear 
discharge which I wipe away several times during the day... Any 
thoughts welcome...

Bob
Warwick NY

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-17 Thread Ardy Robertson
Hello everyone,
I would like to add that if I faced this again, I would also add some
pro-biotics due to being on antibiotics (doxycycline)..I found an
inexpensive capsule and I just opened it and put the powder in his wet food.
There is no medication name on the prescription bottle though.

Thank you,
Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Hi Robert, 

I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having
problems so soon. 

You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need.

I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes
of those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also
the compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on
here that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the
best option. 

My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But
I can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the
next time.

As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending  hours on line,
researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad
things that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia.
So I have decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is
worth a pound of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find
something to boost the immunity, and I would give it all of the time in
sickness and in health. There are a lot of quality companies out there who
sell good products I use Pet Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another
thing I would do is give my kitty curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter
and has many other health benefits as well. I even read a research document
that showed it helped reduce the occurrence and size of struvite crystals (
which has always been a concern for me). I read research that shows kitties
absorb it better than humans or dogs so they get even more benefit from it.
I am using one from Thorn  e Research for pets. The other thing I would do
is find something which protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I
have just started looking into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have
found with awesome results for humans, but I only found one place that
mentioned it for cats, which is not good enough so the search continues. 

As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats.
I am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH
Tripsy and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having
problems you might want to look into a preventative for that as well.

Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and
neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. 

Rachel
Sent from my iPhone



Sent from my iPhone
> On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any
of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you
administering it
> Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with
regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more
popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes??
> 
> Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties (
other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)
I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter
where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in
isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as
one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until
recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic
URI  Last week he developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and
what appear to be burst capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to
pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as
I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance
companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just
said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic
Ocular Ointment 
 with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I
think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take
him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if
I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter
are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a
very discounted rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have
been 

Re: [Felvtalk] doxy

2016-05-17 Thread Jane Gannon
Hi Amani.

Thanks for the article.  Sounds promising.

Jane
  - Original Message -
  From: Amani Oakley
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy


  Hi Jane



  As I mentioned in my previous posts, I am aware that no antibiotic KILLS 
viruses. However, Doxycycline also interferes with RNA reproduction in ALL 
cells. In mammalian cells, we have two sites for RNA synthesis, and so when the 
Doxycycline blocks one of the sites, mammalian cells can still proceed with RNA 
synthesis. That isn't the case with bacterial, and other organisms like 
protozoa and mycoplasma. Doxycycline has been also found to block RNA synthesis 
in some viruses. For example, search online for the following article and you 
will see that scientific trials have shown that the Doxycycline (which is a 
tetracycline derivative) blocked the ability of the virus to enter cells and 
replicate.



  Inhibitory effect of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in vitro - 
Arch Virol. May 29, 2013 - "Doxycycline is an antibiotic derived from 
tetracycline that possesses antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory activities. 
Antiviral activity of doxycycline against dengue virus has been previously 
reported."



  ". . . It is efficiently used to treat some tick-borne infections and is also 
recommended as a first line therapy for sexually transmitted diseases as herpes 
simplex infections [caused by a virus]. Combining doxycycline with monocaprin 
provides an effective treatment for herpes labialis [another virus], 
significantly reducing time to healing and pain compared to moncaprin alone. 
Furthermore, antiviral activity of doxycycline has been reported against 
retroviruses, and a significant reduction in retrovirus titer was observed 
after incubation of infected cells with doxycycline. Previous studies have 
shown that doxycycline inhibits dengue virus plaque formation disrupting the 
conformational changes in the viral envelope that are necessary for viral entry 
. . . In this study, we determined the anti-dengue properties of doxycycline 
against four dengue virus serotypes in vitro. The results showed that 
doxycycline interfered with dengue virus protease and impaired virus binding to 
the host cells, leading to reduced viral replication in infected cells. Taken 
together, our results form a strong basis to warrant further experimental and 
clinical investigations towards reducing dengue morbidity by utilizing 
doxycycline and anti-inflammatory activities."



  With some careful digging, you will find references to the use of doxycycline 
(and other tetracyclines) to inhibit viral replication. I don't have more time 
today to find more of these articles for you, but they are there for the 
finding.



  Amani



  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
Gannon
  Sent: May-17-16 4:44 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy



  Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, 
whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   I have had a 
couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   This disease is 
transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats.  Doxy 
should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting.  
It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is 
possible for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause 
irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow.  I 
crush it and mix it with water and syringe it.



  In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This includes 
doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot of 
other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be 
found on line.



  I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of upper 
respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get 
her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for 
another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie.  
Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I give her.  This 
is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite.



  

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

2016-05-17 Thread Ardy Robertson
Hi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, what do you mean by “most cats you 
have taken in have converted after some time”? Does that mean they no longer 
have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

 

Lorrie,

 

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties

 

Let me know!

Thanks Amy

 

  _  

From: Lorrie  >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary


> 
>Lorrie,
> 
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] doxy

2016-05-17 Thread Jane Gannon
Hi Margo

You do not mix the fish drugs with water unless you are using them for fish.  
For cats, you would use the pill form.  Just trying to help.

thanks for the article on doxy.

Jane
  - Original Message -
  From: Amani Oakley
  To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy


  Hi Margo – I just sent a far more detailed email before I saw yours. It 
references a scientific study on this very issue – use of doxycycline in dengue 
fever, but also references use of it in other viral infections caused by herpes.



  As I mentioned in my earlier emails, I was well aware that antibiotics 
obviously don’t usually work on viruses, but the tetracyclines are special. 
They don’t KILL viruses, but instead, help to block their replication.



  Amani







  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
  Sent: May-17-16 5:23 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy





  Actually, you're both right. Doxy is an antibiotic, but also has properties 
that prevent replication of the virus that cause dengue fever, and is being 
used in some trials for HIV.

  So, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory and now possibly anti-viral. You might 
find this interesting;

  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922979

  I've used the "fish drugs" in a pinch, but they need to be made into a liquid 
to get correct distribution and dosage, and I do better with pills/capsules. 
Plus, I don't quite trust them . Just  my paranoia, I know people who have used 
them successfully many times.

  HTH,

  Margo

  -Original Message-
  From: Jane Gannon
  Sent: May 17, 2016 4:43 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy




  Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, 
whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   I have had a 
couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   This disease is 
transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats.  Doxy 
should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting.  
It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is 
possible for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause 
irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow.  I 
crush it and mix it with water and syringe it.



  In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This includes 
doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot of 
other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be 
found on line.



  I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of upper 
respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get 
her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for 
another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie.  
Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I give her.  This 
is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite.



  Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is 
recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness.  She is not eating well and 
I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of days and 
was already not eating well. I will let you know if it works.



  Jane




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Re: [Felvtalk] New Baby

2016-05-17 Thread Rachel Dagner
She sounds beautiful! I have one in my neighborhood that sounds just like her, 
pure white, with one green and one blue eye. Both the most beautiful colors you 
can imagine. I hope you get her soon. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know Rachel. The shelter that has her is a couple of hours from me, 
> and they are still trying to arrange transportation. They did send photos 
> though, and she is a pure white beauty with green AND blue eyes. I am anxious 
> to have her join my troupe.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-17-16 8:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy
>  
> Amani when are you getting your cancer kitty? I am so sad we can't do 
> pictures here. I want to see everyone and their babies! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 17, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Margo – I just sent a far more detailed email before I saw yours. It 
> references a scientific study on this very issue – use of doxycycline in 
> dengue fever, but also references use of it in other viral infections caused 
> by herpes.
>  
> As I mentioned in my earlier emails, I was well aware that antibiotics 
> obviously don’t usually work on viruses, but the tetracyclines are special. 
> They don’t KILL viruses, but instead, help to block their replication.
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: May-17-16 5:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy
>  
> 
> 
> Actually, you're both right. Doxy is an antibiotic, but also has properties 
> that prevent replication of the virus that cause dengue fever, and is being 
> used in some trials for HIV. 
> 
> So, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory and now possibly anti-viral. You might 
> find this interesting;
> 
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922979
> 
> I've used the "fish drugs" in a pinch, but they need to be made into a liquid 
> to get correct distribution and dosage, and I do better with pills/capsules. 
> Plus, I don't quite trust them . Just  my paranoia, I know people who have 
> used them successfully many times.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Jane Gannon 
> Sent: May 17, 2016 4:43 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy 
> 
> 
> 
> Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
> infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
> bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
> the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma 
> haemofelis, whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   
> I have had a couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   
> This disease is transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products 
> on our cats.  Doxy should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce 
> chance of vomiting.  It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after 
> pilling because it is possible for the tablets to become stuck in the 
> esophagus which can cause irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult 
> for your cat to swallow.  I crush it and mix it with water and syringe it. 
>  
> In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
> cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
> and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This 
> includes doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
> clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
> others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot 
> of other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can 
> be found on line. 
>  
> I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
> vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of 
> upper respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing 
> to get her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years 
> ago for another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on 
> Tootsie.  Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I 
> give her.  This is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite. 
>  
> Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is 
> recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness.  She is not eating well 
> and I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of 
> days and was already not eating well. I will let you know if it works.
>  
> Jane
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Can you change your name on the mailing list?

2016-05-17 Thread dlgegg
I agree with you.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Ok, so I am the only person on this planet with my name, if you google me,
> it’s me! Is there a way to change my name to just “Rachel”.  I know it is
> might seem silly but I don’t want anyone lurking through my private life
> who doesn’t need to be.


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Re: [Felvtalk] doxy

2016-05-17 Thread Rachel Dagner
Amani when are you getting your cancer kitty? I am so sad we can't do pictures 
here. I want to see everyone and their babies! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Margo – I just sent a far more detailed email before I saw yours. It 
> references a scientific study on this very issue – use of doxycycline in 
> dengue fever, but also references use of it in other viral infections caused 
> by herpes.
>  
> As I mentioned in my earlier emails, I was well aware that antibiotics 
> obviously don’t usually work on viruses, but the tetracyclines are special. 
> They don’t KILL viruses, but instead, help to block their replication.
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: May-17-16 5:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy
>  
> 
> 
> Actually, you're both right. Doxy is an antibiotic, but also has properties 
> that prevent replication of the virus that cause dengue fever, and is being 
> used in some trials for HIV. 
> 
> So, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory and now possibly anti-viral. You might 
> find this interesting;
> 
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922979
> 
> I've used the "fish drugs" in a pinch, but they need to be made into a liquid 
> to get correct distribution and dosage, and I do better with pills/capsules. 
> Plus, I don't quite trust them . Just  my paranoia, I know people who have 
> used them successfully many times.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Jane Gannon 
> Sent: May 17, 2016 4:43 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy 
> 
> 
> Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
> infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
> bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
> the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma 
> haemofelis, whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   
> I have had a couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   
> This disease is transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products 
> on our cats.  Doxy should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce 
> chance of vomiting.  It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after 
> pilling because it is possible for the tablets to become stuck in the 
> esophagus which can cause irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult 
> for your cat to swallow.  I crush it and mix it with water and syringe it. 
>  
> In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
> cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
> and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This 
> includes doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
> clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
> others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot 
> of other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can 
> be found on line. 
>  
> I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
> vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of 
> upper respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing 
> to get her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years 
> ago for another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on 
> Tootsie.  Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I 
> give her.  This is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite. 
>  
> Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is 
> recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness.  She is not eating well 
> and I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of 
> days and was already not eating well. I will let you know if it works.
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] New Baby

2016-05-17 Thread Amani Oakley
I don’t know Rachel. The shelter that has her is a couple of hours from me, and 
they are still trying to arrange transportation. They did send photos though, 
and she is a pure white beauty with green AND blue eyes. I am anxious to have 
her join my troupe.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-17-16 8:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy

Amani when are you getting your cancer kitty? I am so sad we can't do pictures 
here. I want to see everyone and their babies!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 17, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
Hi Margo – I just sent a far more detailed email before I saw yours. It 
references a scientific study on this very issue – use of doxycycline in dengue 
fever, but also references use of it in other viral infections caused by herpes.

As I mentioned in my earlier emails, I was well aware that antibiotics 
obviously don’t usually work on viruses, but the tetracyclines are special. 
They don’t KILL viruses, but instead, help to block their replication.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: May-17-16 5:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy



Actually, you're both right. Doxy is an antibiotic, but also has properties 
that prevent replication of the virus that cause dengue fever, and is being 
used in some trials for HIV.

So, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory and now possibly anti-viral. You might 
find this interesting;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922979

I've used the "fish drugs" in a pinch, but they need to be made into a liquid 
to get correct distribution and dosage, and I do better with pills/capsules. 
Plus, I don't quite trust them . Just  my paranoia, I know people who have used 
them successfully many times.

HTH,

Margo
-Original Message-
From: Jane Gannon
Sent: May 17, 2016 4:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy



Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, 
whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   I have had a 
couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   This disease is 
transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats.  Doxy 
should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting.  
It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is 
possible for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause 
irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow.  I 
crush it and mix it with water and syringe it.

In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This includes 
doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot of 
other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be 
found on line.

I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of upper 
respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get 
her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for 
another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie.  
Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I give her.  This 
is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite.

Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is 
recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness.  She is not eating well and 
I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of days and 
was already not eating well. I will let you know if it works.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 56

2016-05-17 Thread dlgegg
If all of us combined hav done something to help you and your cat, that is all 
that is needed

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> I'm still not entirely sure how best to follow this digest format...  I 
want to thank everyone for their fine and helpful advice. I've 
gotten more useful information from a week of following this listserve 
than in the couple of months I've been researching FeLV on the 
Web    I apologize for not specifying help from specific people in 
specific emails but Jane, Dagmar, Amani..thank you!!.. You've given me a 
variety of things to look into

Kind Regards,
Bob



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> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:21:30 -0700
> From: "Jane Gannon" To: Subject: [Felvtalk] tigger
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> Hi Ardy.
>
> I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger 
> has gone to cat heaven.  He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of 
> personality and mischevious.  I love those kind, they always keep you 
> smiling.  You did your best to help him.  I had 12 cats diagnosed 
> positive about a year and a half ago and since that time I have lost 
> 7.  Two just died in April, one had FIP and the other just layed down 
> and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw signs something was off for 
> about a week.  I have 2 more that started problems last week.  One is 
> 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and now is not eating well. 
> She also has a heart condition.  I am waiting to see what happens. 
> The other one is not eating much and is not herself.  I just had her 
> to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad.  We 
> talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am 
> waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan.  My 13 year old 
> positive has a heart m
>  urmur and we are thinking of not putting him on Winstrol because it 
> says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions.  His blood 
> work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though his 
> appetite is good.  And my other positive also has FIV and is starting 
> to have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time.  If winstrol 
> increases appetites, that would not be good for him.  I did not do 
> blood work on him yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at 
> this time.
> I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I 
> loose a cat and it makes me feel a little bit better.  Makes me smile 
> and cry. I do belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they 
> do.  I need to believe this.
> Jane
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>   reply-type=original
>
> It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye.  It is 
> very serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye 
> ointment with steroids.  Research it on line, you can find pictures. 
> The eyeball can even become swollen and bulge.  It can have a brownish 
> spot on it. Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 
> positives that have had this and it will clear up with treatment  but 
> it can come back.  They were put on metacam for the pain and also for 
> the inflamation along with an ointment containing cortisone.  It is 
> serious.   Follow instructions for how often to do the ointment.
>
> Jane
> - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 
> PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>
>> Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing 
>> it in the corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the 
>> time so it shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. 
>> would oothe it.
>>  Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>> Hi Bob
>>>
>>> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your 

Re: [Felvtalk] doxy

2016-05-17 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Jane

As I mentioned in my previous posts, I am aware that no antibiotic KILLS 
viruses. However, Doxycycline also interferes with RNA reproduction in ALL 
cells. In mammalian cells, we have two sites for RNA synthesis, and so when the 
Doxycycline blocks one of the sites, mammalian cells can still proceed with RNA 
synthesis. That isn't the case with bacterial, and other organisms like 
protozoa and mycoplasma. Doxycycline has been also found to block RNA synthesis 
in some viruses. For example, search online for the following article and you 
will see that scientific trials have shown that the Doxycycline (which is a 
tetracycline derivative) blocked the ability of the virus to enter cells and 
replicate.

Inhibitory effect of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in vitro - 
Arch Virol. May 29, 2013 - "Doxycycline is an antibiotic derived from 
tetracycline that possesses antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory activities. 
Antiviral activity of doxycycline against dengue virus has been previously 
reported."

". . . It is efficiently used to treat some tick-borne infections and is also 
recommended as a first line therapy for sexually transmitted diseases as herpes 
simplex infections [caused by a virus]. Combining doxycycline with monocaprin 
provides an effective treatment for herpes labialis [another virus], 
significantly reducing time to healing and pain compared to moncaprin alone. 
Furthermore, antiviral activity of doxycycline has been reported against 
retroviruses, and a significant reduction in retrovirus titer was observed 
after incubation of infected cells with doxycycline. Previous studies have 
shown that doxycycline inhibits dengue virus plaque formation disrupting the 
conformational changes in the viral envelope that are necessary for viral entry 
. . . In this study, we determined the anti-dengue properties of doxycycline 
against four dengue virus serotypes in vitro. The results showed that 
doxycycline interfered with dengue virus protease and impaired virus binding to 
the host cells, leading to reduced viral replication in infected cells. Taken 
together, our results form a strong basis to warrant further experimental and 
clinical investigations towards reducing dengue morbidity by utilizing 
doxycycline and anti-inflammatory activities."

With some careful digging, you will find references to the use of doxycycline 
(and other tetracyclines) to inhibit viral replication. I don't have more time 
today to find more of these articles for you, but they are there for the 
finding.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
Gannon
Sent: May-17-16 4:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy

Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, 
whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   I have had a 
couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   This disease is 
transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats.  Doxy 
should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting.  
It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is 
possible for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause 
irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow.  I 
crush it and mix it with water and syringe it.

In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This includes 
doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot of 
other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be 
found on line.

I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of upper 
respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get 
her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for 
another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie.  
Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I give her.  This 
is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite.

Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is 
recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness.  She is not eating well and 
I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of days and 
was already not eating well. I 

Re: [Felvtalk] doxy

2016-05-17 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Margo – I just sent a far more detailed email before I saw yours. It 
references a scientific study on this very issue – use of doxycycline in dengue 
fever, but also references use of it in other viral infections caused by herpes.

As I mentioned in my earlier emails, I was well aware that antibiotics 
obviously don’t usually work on viruses, but the tetracyclines are special. 
They don’t KILL viruses, but instead, help to block their replication.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: May-17-16 5:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy



Actually, you're both right. Doxy is an antibiotic, but also has properties 
that prevent replication of the virus that cause dengue fever, and is being 
used in some trials for HIV.

So, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory and now possibly anti-viral. You might 
find this interesting;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922979

I've used the "fish drugs" in a pinch, but they need to be made into a liquid 
to get correct distribution and dosage, and I do better with pills/capsules. 
Plus, I don't quite trust them . Just  my paranoia, I know people who have used 
them successfully many times.

HTH,

Margo
-Original Message-
From: Jane Gannon
Sent: May 17, 2016 4:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy


Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, 
whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   I have had a 
couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   This disease is 
transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats.  Doxy 
should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting.  
It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is 
possible for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause 
irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow.  I 
crush it and mix it with water and syringe it.

In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This includes 
doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot of 
other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be 
found on line.

I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of upper 
respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get 
her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for 
another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie.  
Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I give her.  This 
is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite.

Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is 
recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness.  She is not eating well and 
I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of days and 
was already not eating well. I will let you know if it works.

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Re: [Felvtalk] doxy

2016-05-17 Thread Margo
Actually, you're both right. Doxy is an antibiotic, but also has properties that prevent replication of the virus that cause dengue fever, and is being used in some trials for HIV. So, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory and now possibly anti-viral. You might find this interesting;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922979I've used the "fish drugs" in a pinch, but they need to be made into a liquid to get correct distribution and dosage, and I do better with pills/capsules. Plus, I don't quite trust them . Just  my paranoia, I know people who have used them successfully many times.HTH,Margo-Original Message-
From: Jane Gannon 
Sent: May 17, 2016 4:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy








Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial
infections, not for viral infections.  It works by interferring with
the normal growth cycle of the bacteria preventing them from  reproducing
and allowing the body to fight off the infection.  It is used against 
mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, whcih is a blood parasite that 
causes anemia and death in cats   I have had a couple of cats die from
it and a couple that I have saved.   This disease is transmitted by
fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats.  Doxy should be
given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting.  It is
suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is possible
for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause irritaftion or
scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow.  I crush it and
mix it with water and syringe it. 
 
In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low
cost pet care when the cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can
use fish meds on cats and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a
script  This includes doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox),
metronidazole (fish zole), clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), 
ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and others.  This is the same exact
medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot of other great ideas
in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be found on
line. 
 
I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop
eating and drinking.  She had vomited for a couple of days before. 
She had no fever and no symptoms of upper respiratory so I didn't want to start
antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get her to eat.  Then I remembered
pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for another cat (not a positive)
with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie.  Four days later she is
looking for food and eating everything I give her.  This is also used for
kidney cats that loose their appetite.  
 
Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older
positive cat, Finn, who is recovering from a seizure and temporary
blindness.  She is not eating well and I remember before she had her
seizure she had vomited for a couple of days and was already not eating
well.     I will let you know if it works.
 
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[Felvtalk] doxy

2016-05-17 Thread Jane Gannon
Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, 
whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   I have had a 
couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   This disease is 
transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats.  Doxy 
should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting.  
It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is 
possible for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause 
irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow.  I 
crush it and mix it with water and syringe it.

In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This includes 
doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot of 
other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be 
found on line.

I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of upper 
respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get 
her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for 
another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie.  
Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I give her.  This 
is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite.

Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is 
recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness.  She is not eating well and 
I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of days and 
was already not eating well. I will let you know if it works.

Jane

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Re: [Felvtalk] Can you change your name on the mailing list?

2016-05-17 Thread Katherine K.
Rachel, I felt the same way when I joined so I took out my last name under
my Gmail account settings. This affects ALL emails I send, but at least it
doesn't show up now on Google.

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2016-05-17 Thread Rachel Dagner
Ok, so I am the only person on this planet with my name, if you google me,
it’s me! Is there a way to change my name to just “Rachel”.  I know it is
might seem silly but I don’t want anyone lurking through my private life
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-17 Thread Margo



-Original Message-
>From: Jane Gannon 
>Sent: May 17, 2016 12:42 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye.  It is very 
>serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye ointment 
>with steroids.  Research it on line, you can find pictures.  The eyeball 
>can even become swollen and bulge.  It can have a brownish  spot on it. 
>Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 positives that have had 
>this and it will clear up with treatment  but it can come back.  They were 
>put on metacam for the pain and also for the inflamation along with an 
>ointment containing cortisone.  It is serious.   Follow instructions for how 
>often to do the ointment.
>
>Jane
>- Original Message - 
>From: 
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>
>> Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in 
>> the corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the time so it 
>> shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye.  would oothe it.
>>  Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>> Hi Bob
>>>
>>> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can 
>>> only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with 
>>> rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is 
>>> mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of 
>>> disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into 
>>> your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution 
>>> multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and 
>>> address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
>>> antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.
>>>
>>> If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low 
>>> and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help 
>>> reduce any inflammation and that may help.
>>>
>>> Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
>>> sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
>>> Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are 
>>> not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count 
>>> to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is 
>>> regenerative or non-regenerative.
>>>
>>> At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with 
>>> viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of 
>>> the FeLV virus.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
>>> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are 
>>> any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
>>> administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback 
>>> from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it 
>>> is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and 
>>> athletes??
>>>
>>> Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties 
>>> ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus 
>>> infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) 
>>> from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their 
>>> living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT 
>>> more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I 
>>> brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing 
>>> mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness 
>>> in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet 
>>> ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go 
>>> broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are 
>>> uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet 
>>> offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to 
>>> FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with 
>>> Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think 
>>> the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
>>> elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I 
>>> go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter 
>>> are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get 
>>> a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I 
>>> have been reading 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 56

2016-05-17 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL
I'm still not entirely sure how best to follow this digest format...  I 
want to thank everyone for their fine and helpful advice. I've 
gotten more useful information from a week of following this listserve 
than in the couple of months I've been researching FeLV on the 
Web    I apologize for not specifying help from specific people in 
specific emails but Jane, Dagmar, Amani..thank you!!.. You've given me a 
variety of things to look into


Kind Regards,
Bob



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Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:21:30 -0700
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Hi Ardy.

I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger 
has gone to cat heaven.  He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of 
personality and mischevious.  I love those kind, they always keep you 
smiling.  You did your best to help him.  I had 12 cats diagnosed 
positive about a year and a half ago and since that time I have lost 
7.  Two just died in April, one had FIP and the other just layed down 
and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw signs something was off for 
about a week.  I have 2 more that started problems last week.  One is 
16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and now is not eating well. 
She also has a heart condition.  I am waiting to see what happens. 
The other one is not eating much and is not herself.  I just had her 
to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad.  We 
talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am 
waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan.  My 13 year old 
positive has a heart m
 urmur and we are thinking of not putting him on Winstrol because it 
says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions.  His blood 
work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though his 
appetite is good.  And my other positive also has FIV and is starting 
to have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time.  If winstrol 
increases appetites, that would not be good for him.  I did not do 
blood work on him yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at 
this time.
I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I 
loose a cat and it makes me feel a little bit better.  Makes me smile 
and cry. I do belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they 
do.  I need to believe this.

Jane

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It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye.  It is 
very serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye 
ointment with steroids.  Research it on line, you can find pictures. 
The eyeball can even become swollen and bulge.  It can have a brownish 
spot on it. Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 
positives that have had this and it will clear up with treatment  but 
it can come back.  They were put on metacam for the pain and also for 
the inflamation along with an ointment containing cortisone.  It is 
serious.   Follow instructions for how often to do the ointment.


Jane
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 
PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing 
it in the corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the 
time so it shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. 
would oothe it.

 Amani Oakley  wrote:

Hi Bob

As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I 
can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results 
with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The 
solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small 
amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is 
safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a