[Felvtalk] Lend me a Kitten..

[Margo]

http://www.catquotes.com/lendmeakitten.htm

I often change it around to fit the loss, but it's sad and hopeful at the same 
time...

And I cry every time 

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson 
>Sent: May 21, 2016 10:25 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>Hi Marsha,
>I'm so sorry about everything going on with you. That "counselor" was, in my
>opinion, very harsh. Who wants common sense if it doesn't make your heart
>break when you lose a pet or are sad about one that is ill. He needs
>compassion -- you don't need more sense.
>
>Something that really helped me when Tigger passed away is the poem someone
>posted called "Lend Me A Kitten"... I go back and re-read it all the
>time. It is so true!!
>
>If you don't have a copy of it, let me know and I will send it to you.
>
>Ardy
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Marsha
>Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:57 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it, to
>tell him how I felt.  I did write a review in HealthGrades on him.  The one
>other person gave him 5 stars.  I keep a journal for each of my cats (I use
>Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or interactions with
>other cats.  And when I am caring for a cat that is ill, the journaling is
>daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to be feeling, physical
>activity, etc.  Noelle has her final appointment late this afternoon, near
>the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried time, not squeezed
>between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now.
>
>I named my Noelle because I got her in December.  She was eating food at the
>colony I cared for.  A little friendlier than normal feral, but I don't
>think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the vet
>noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn cat,
>since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms.  No one claimed
>her.  She is probably related to several of my other cats, including FeLV+
>Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time.  
>Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice.  She was the first of the colony that
>I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby over
>white.
>
>Marsha
>
>On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote:
>> Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd 
>> continue with this "counselor".  Would you be comfortable with keeping 
>> a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have 
>> a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling.
>> For me, I found writing helped with my losses.  Please give it a try.
>> Sandy W
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
>> To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>
>> Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you 
>> said you have assisted with transfusions.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha, I'm so sorry.
>>>
>>> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for 
>>> others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig 
>>> ditches, somewhere far from actual humans.
>>>
>>> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are 
>>> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told 
>>> you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again.
>>> I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(
>>>
>>> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
>>> ...man...hold?
>>>
>>> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any 
>>> many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much 
>>> better place...
>>>
>>> Back after rounds
>>>
>>> Margo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
 From: Marsha 
 Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

 I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on 
 my plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he 
 informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and 
 animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks 
 common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, 
 etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take
>in, he said, "Good for you!"
 All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
 come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling 
 more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I 
 don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common 
 sense is 

Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

[Ardy Robertson]

Miriam -- my Tigger's blood was almost at zero - I called it
flatlining...and Winstrol brought his numbers up very soon. So if his
problem is basically the blood is really low, Winstrol does tend to, as
Amani says, "turn on the bone marrow again".I would use it again in a
heartbeat, along with the other ones she recommends.
Thanks,
Ardy



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
swacht
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

Miriam,  typical response - but you have to weigh the options - is the vet
even willing to try - and is the vet willing to try the Winstrol - that can
not hurt in anyway shape or form - I'm sorry Sandy W -Original
Message-
From: Mims
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

Doctors are just saying to put him to sleep ..

Miriam Fenton

> On May 19, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Marsha  wrote:
>
> Miriam, sounds like your cat may be anemic, although some cats tend to 
> be a little more pale than others.  You are doing the best thing that 
> you can, by taking him to the vet to find out what is going on.
>
> Marsha
>
>> On 5/19/2016 1:49 PM, Miriam Fenton wrote:
>> HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are 
>> white!
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Ardy Robertson]

So very sorry about Tiffany….you were a good pet parent!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Roxanne Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 12:12 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

 

Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she 
had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany 
could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk.  I 
saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things 
which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done 
better. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Marsha,
I'm so sorry about everything going on with you. That "counselor" was, in my
opinion, very harsh. Who wants common sense if it doesn't make your heart
break when you lose a pet or are sad about one that is ill. He needs
compassion -- you don't need more sense.

Something that really helped me when Tigger passed away is the poem someone
posted called "Lend Me A Kitten"... I go back and re-read it all the
time. It is so true!!

If you don't have a copy of it, let me know and I will send it to you.

Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marsha
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it, to
tell him how I felt.  I did write a review in HealthGrades on him.  The one
other person gave him 5 stars.  I keep a journal for each of my cats (I use
Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or interactions with
other cats.  And when I am caring for a cat that is ill, the journaling is
daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to be feeling, physical
activity, etc.  Noelle has her final appointment late this afternoon, near
the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried time, not squeezed
between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now.

I named my Noelle because I got her in December.  She was eating food at the
colony I cared for.  A little friendlier than normal feral, but I don't
think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the vet
noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn cat,
since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms.  No one claimed
her.  She is probably related to several of my other cats, including FeLV+
Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time.  
Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice.  She was the first of the colony that
I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby over
white.

Marsha

On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote:
> Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd 
> continue with this "counselor".  Would you be comfortable with keeping 
> a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have 
> a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling.
> For me, I found writing helped with my losses.  Please give it a try.
> Sandy W
>
> -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
> To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
> Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you 
> said you have assisted with transfusions.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Marsha, I'm so sorry.
>>
>> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for 
>> others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig 
>> ditches, somewhere far from actual humans.
>>
>> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are 
>> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told 
>> you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again.
>> I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(
>>
>> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
>> ...man...hold?
>>
>> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any 
>> many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much 
>> better place...
>>
>> Back after rounds
>>
>> Margo
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Marsha 
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on 
>>> my plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he 
>>> informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and 
>>> animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks 
>>> common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, 
>>> etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take
in, he said, "Good for you!"
>>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
>>> come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling 
>>> more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I 
>>> don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common 
>>> sense is not a diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would 
>>> you treat it?
>>> Plus
>>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this 
>>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to 
>>> care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked 
>>> common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of 
>>> depression.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>

Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Margo]

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson 
>Sent: May 21, 2016 10:12 AM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV
>
>Hi Lorrie -- I remember some of that -- my mom fed our cats from table food
>as well.
>Have a great day and keep up your great work!!
>Ardy
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Lorrie
>Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:03 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV
>
>Hi Ardy,
>
>I don't think FelV is on the rise, I just think vets and pet owners are
>becoming more savy about this virus. I've gotcha beat on age, as I'm 83, and
>I've had cats my entire life.  Back in the 1930's and 40's cats never saw
>the inside of a vet's office, nor was pet food available.  Our cat got
>people scraps and whatever she caught outside.  The  first cat food I recall
>was stinky, fishy stuff 
>called "Puss In Boots Cat Food".  But I digress, I meant to say,
>vets just didn't have the training and knowledge they have now and many cats
>died without anyone knowing why. Now we test for FelV and yet the tests are
>still inconclusive.
>-
>
>Lorrie 
>
>On 05-19, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>> Wow - I am blown away by all of this..so really no test is 
>> reliable. My vet told me you test once and it may be unreliable so you 
>> test again 30 days later to be sure! Apparently you cannot ever be 
>> "sure". My vet also told me the vaccination for FeLV and FIP can be 
>> ineffective. So, basically any cat can have FeLV at any stage of their 
>> life, and testing is never a sure thing???
>> 
>> I am 65 and have never at any point in my life not had at least one 
>> cat, and usually two or three. With the exception of a few cats who 

My Mom used to cut up raw liver and kidney as treats for our Blackie. He died 
from kidney failure at 17, and the stupid Vet said it was her fault for feeding 
him those bits of kidney.

I don't think she ever believed me when I told her it wasn't her fault.

Margo


>> had accidents when they were outside, all of my cats have always lived 
>> to be 19, 20, 21 - right in there. FeLV was never an issue that I knew 
>> of -  do you all feel that FeLV is on the rise?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ardy
>> 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Lorrie -- I remember some of that -- my mom fed our cats from table food
as well.
Have a great day and keep up your great work!!
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

Hi Ardy,

I don't think FelV is on the rise, I just think vets and pet owners are
becoming more savy about this virus. I've gotcha beat on age, as I'm 83, and
I've had cats my entire life.  Back in the 1930's and 40's cats never saw
the inside of a vet's office, nor was pet food available.  Our cat got
people scraps and whatever she caught outside.  The  first cat food I recall
was stinky, fishy stuff 
called  "Puss In Boots Cat Food".  But I digress, I meant to say,
vets just didn't have the training and knowledge they have now and many cats
died without anyone knowing why. Now we test for FelV and yet the tests are
still inconclusive.
-

Lorrie 

On 05-19, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> Wow - I am blown away by all of this..so really no test is 
> reliable. My vet told me you test once and it may be unreliable so you 
> test again 30 days later to be sure! Apparently you cannot ever be 
> "sure". My vet also told me the vaccination for FeLV and FIP can be 
> ineffective. So, basically any cat can have FeLV at any stage of their 
> life, and testing is never a sure thing???
> 
> I am 65 and have never at any point in my life not had at least one 
> cat, and usually two or three. With the exception of a few cats who 
> had accidents when they were outside, all of my cats have always lived 
> to be 19, 20, 21 - right in there. FeLV was never an issue that I knew 
> of -  do you all feel that FeLV is on the rise?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ardy
> 

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