Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner
I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and supplements and

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2016-06-09 Thread Kelley S
Yes, but anemia is a condition It isn't necessarily caused by FELV. I've had cats with anemia who didn't have FELV, and if her kitty had FELV the bloodwork would not have come back right, unless her kitty wasn't tested for anemia, but anemia is one of the things all my vets have always checked

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2016-06-09 Thread Amani Oakley
Kelley I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down the bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal bleeding (very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of white cell production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic

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2016-06-09 Thread Kelley S
I think it is pretty odd to have good bloodwork if they have lymphoma. I had a kitty with lymphoma and he had non regenerative anemia and some other abnormalities but you are right, it isn't necessarily something that would show up on bloodwork. The statement that she is 99% sure the other kitty

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-06-09 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL
I sheepishly add this to the list after writing my last "tome"...BUT...   Wondering if anyone on the list ( Besides Amani) has had success with Winstrol??    Looking at the other "advances" in FeLV Tx I am not impressed at the response rates ( or ,more specifically, the cost/benefit ratio)...

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2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner
Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was Lymphoma that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the blood work. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley S *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM *To:* felvtalk

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2016-06-09 Thread Kelley S
I'd look into a different vet, for starters. Cats don't die of FELV, they die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems. If the blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated? Chances are very good Dolce does NOT have FELV. Many people here mix positive and

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

2016-06-09 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL
I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to " all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I am not a

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2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner
I would probably get him tested, just so you could maybe do something preventative for his immune system to keep him strong, and also to carefully monitor and act at the first sign of an infection so you have a better chance of fighting it before it gets bad. It sounds like exactly what happened

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner
Ok, thank you, and I understand and agree with your points as well. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Amani Oakley *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:52 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv Rachel

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2016-06-09 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Mary If Fiona died from FeLV, I cannot imagine that you would have gotten back good blood results, although your email wasn’t clear regarding exactly what tests were run. If you provide some more info, along with the results, I might be able to give you some feedback. Sure does sound

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Amani Oakley
Rachel I don’t think I suggested you are an anti-vaxxer, so I apologize if you took my comments that way. However, what I do suggest is caution and a healthy inquiring mind regarding interacting with people who are giving out faulty, unscientific advice about vaccines (and there are a lot of

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2016-06-09 Thread Mary Muzyka
Hello, I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first noticed that

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner
Everyone has a choice in how they chose to proceed with their indoor FELV cats. I never said I was anti vaccine, I said I personally would not have given Tucker more vaccines if I had known then what I know now. He started having infections after he got them and our world went downhill from there,

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

2016-06-09 Thread Margo
And  that's the way. You will know in some way. It will either be instant or a cat you can't get out of your head...especially if you find yourself thinking "I must be NUTS...but..."Don't rush. Or, you can do what i did with my newest dog. Turn to a rescuer you trust, and say "find me a dog (cat)

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Amani Oakley
I am VERY pro-vaccine. I have a lengthy and extensive background in Microbiology and there is a very solid scientific basis for my position. Unfortunately, my experience is that many many people who are anti-vaccine don’t understand how vaccines work and certainly don’t understand where we came

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

2016-06-09 Thread Margo
Lorrie gives you very good advice. And many rescues, and even shelters will let an older cat go on a trial basis. They will sometimes go a bit farther for an older cat, knowing there are few options. Most potential adopters want kittens. If you are very strong, consider a senior cat. They

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

2016-06-09 Thread Christine Dundas
Rachel You are in my thoughts. Our little Ruthie died in my husband's arms. We also have her ashes. I will never forget her. We only had her a short time, almost two years. But she was very special. I hate FELV so much. Christine On Jun 9, 2016 7:50 AM, "Rachel Dagner"

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

2016-06-09 Thread Lorrie
Rachel, You will never forget Tucker, and a new cat will not replace Tucker, but it will soon make it's own place in your heart. - I cannot imagine not having a cat to love, when I lose one. There are so many wonderful, loving cats who desperately need a home, and if I may offer a bit of advise

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

2016-06-09 Thread Katherine K.
Rachel, That's lovely. You could try fostering or volunteering with the shelter or the cats at Petsmart. You could help some kitties along the way but not have to make any big decisions or commitments until you're ready. Of course, there's nothing quite like the excitement of officially adopting.

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner
I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t know if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday my appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the misfortune

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Margo
I lived for 30 years in Broward/Palm Beach counties. I never had an EVet ask for proof of rabies. Nor did referral Vets. Eventually they would want a history, but I was never asked "up front". Where in FL? (just general, I don't need specifics) Margo -Original Message- >From: Rachel

Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

2016-06-09 Thread dlgegg
aNYTHING LIKE pRED SHOULD BE TAPERED OFF. dOESN'T HURT . Amani Oakley wrote: > It was my vet who told me this, once when I mentioned that I was tapering my > cat off prednisone and how important that was (which I knew to be the case in > humans). She said it

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner
That is why I think it is important for a felv cat owner to try to find an integrative vet. They don't believe in over vaccination and will still treat your animal. Of course it could still be a problem if your cat needed emergency care. Something to ask the vet if you found one. Somehow in New

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner
Probably because the felv vaccine and rabies vaccine are the ones that cause injection site sarcoma. So if your cat is not likely to get felv its not worth the risk. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2016, at 6:12 AM, Margo wrote: > > > Did the Pet Store

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Margo
Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen the consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that the critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still PLENTY of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever,

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Margo
I have fed raw, but don't currently. If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should be careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only takes one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and she could be in deep doo-doo.

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Margo
Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve? Margo -Original Message- >From: Ardy Robertson >Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM >To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv > >My vet never said

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

2016-06-09 Thread Margo
Ardy,    Thank you. No, Topaz will never take Tigger's place, but I am very sure there is room in your heart for Topaz, as well. And it's an empty home without a cat (or two).Tigger is surely relieved that you will be taken care of...Margo-Original Message- From: Ardy

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Amani Oakley
Ardy - I do think that what Tigger had was similar to Zander's but I am wondering if maybe the blasts we saw and some of the unusual aspects may be the result of another strain. But my guess is that we should have started sooner and at a higher dose of Winstrol, rather than the answer being