Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

[Rachel Dagner]

I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your
cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some
oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending
your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and
supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that
of your animals.



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*ROBERT CHAPEL
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM
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I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her
pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to "
all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard
understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I am
not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is
BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual
MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and
who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the
conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of saying that " The
Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding
these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with
their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are
given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know
what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets
are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in
the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group
practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their
decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO
important to NOT run from Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust
and stay with them!!  Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure
to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to
count for "something" over time and modify their approach.  Most
importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about
your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate
the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not
paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached
a different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did
give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but
was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly

( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to
prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house
( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)

The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same
profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more
cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure
Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that
were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the better vet??
I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to
develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I
find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( BTWEACH one of the
Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..

Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...
The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and
we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can
be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different
than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you
ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at
this dilution of the meaning of professional.  Now we really DO have to
keep both eyes open

until we know our " professional" well.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Kelley S]

Yes, but anemia is a condition  It isn't necessarily caused by FELV.  I've
had cats with anemia who didn't have FELV, and if her kitty had FELV the
bloodwork would not have come back right, unless her kitty wasn't tested
for anemia, but anemia is one of the things all my vets have always checked
on with bloodwork.   I guess anemia isn't an infection, and neither is
cancer, so I completely misstated that, but I still believe cats don't die
OF FELV, they die of something else.  As for the other kitty being pos, I
just remembered that even cats who have tested pos and been housed with
other pos cats can turn neg, it happens every once in a while.  So
definitely not good to assume the other kitty is pos.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> Kelley
>
>
>
> I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down
> the bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal
> bleeding (very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of
> white cell production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic
> infections, I don’t think that is necessarily the cause of death. With my
> Zander, he wasn’t suffering from anything other than a profound lack of red
> cells that meant that (a) his blood couldn’t circulate oxygen properly; (b)
> he felt horrible and wouldn’t eat; (c) he was extremely fatigued by the
> profound anemia.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* June-09-16 5:01 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>
>
> I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
> die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
> blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
> very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
> negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
> vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
> him.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Amani Oakley]

Kelley

I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down the 
bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal bleeding 
(very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of white cell 
production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic infections, I don’t 
think that is necessarily the cause of death. With my Zander, he wasn’t 
suffering from anything other than a profound lack of red cells that meant that 
(a) his blood couldn’t circulate oxygen properly; (b) he felt horrible and 
wouldn’t eat; (c) he was extremely fatigued by the profound anemia.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: June-09-16 5:01 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they die 
of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the blood 
tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are very good 
Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and negative, as do I 
with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are vaccinated against FELV.  
I think it is just nutty to say not to even test him.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka 
> wrote:
Hello,

I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.  I 
recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was gone 
within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely 
walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she wasn't 
jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to the vet and 
they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office 
telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out for other various 
tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems.  
Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I 
used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her 
back to the vet.  She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she 
began eating and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to 
give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting 
down and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told 
me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the 
streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & 
leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, 
Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me 
there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right 
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is 
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here, 
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play 
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since I 
rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading, no one 
has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had something 
else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years.  I'd 
be interested in your thoughts.

Mary Muzyka

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Kelley S]

I think it is pretty odd to have good bloodwork if they have lymphoma.  I
had a kitty with lymphoma and he had non regenerative anemia and some other
abnormalities but you are right, it isn't necessarily something that would
show up on bloodwork.  The statement that she is 99% sure the other kitty
has it and not to even test is still way out of whack in my opinion.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:

> Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was
> Lymphoma that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the
> blood work.
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>
>
> I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
> die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
> blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
> very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
> negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
> vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
> him.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I sheepishly add this to the list after writing my last 
"tome"...BUT...   Wondering if anyone on the list ( Besides Amani) has 
had success with Winstrol??    Looking at the other "advances" in FeLV 
Tx I am not impressed at the response rates ( or ,more specifically, the 
cost/benefit ratio)... Spending a couple of thousand on a tx that 
promises less than a 25% chance of addressing the issue is not my idea 
of a sensible expenditure for a retired guy who is already living on 
fumes and can't return to work ( if I want to be able to provide the 
care my guys are likely to need in the future)..   I'm so used to 
having my own ( owned) place and wish I had gotten a two bedroom now 
because I would like to have someone living with me who I could trust to 
look out for my guys when I can't be there   Have to give serious 
thought to renting again...
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Rachel Dagner]

Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was Lymphoma
that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the blood work.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Kelley S
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM
*To:* felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
him.



On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Kelley S]

I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
him.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her 
pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to 
" all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard 
understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I 
am not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that 
it is BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY 
individual MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and 
ethically and who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not 
always like the conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of 
saying that " The Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can 
seldom be seen avoiding these same uninformed professionals as soon as 
something goes amiss with their health.( Then , of course, fail to 
follow the advice they are given...don't improve and blame it on the 
fact the the " Doctors don't know what they are talking about" : )    We 
run that risk here as well Vets are businessmen/women and the world 
of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in the same direction as Human 
Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group practices to sell services AND 
medications and don't always predicate their decisions on what is best 
for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO important to NOT run from 
Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust and stay with them!!  
Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure to " sell " most 
decent people will allow the long term relationship to count for 
"something" over time and modify their approach.  Most importantly try 
to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about your animals 
disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate the advice 
you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not paying 
enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached a 
different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did 
give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat 
but was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed 
sensibly
( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want 
to prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in 
house ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)
The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the 
same profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a 
FAR more cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to 
measure Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very 
drugs that were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the 
better vet??   I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone 
with whom to develop a relationship and I could go broke running from 
Vet to Vet until I find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( 
BTWEACH one of the Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..
Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...   
The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties 
and we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as 
we can be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot 
different than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go 
over when you ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a 
profound sadness at this dilution of the meaning of professional.  
Now we really DO have to keep both eyes open

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[Rachel Dagner]

I would probably get him tested, just so you could maybe do something
preventative for his immune system to keep him strong, and also to
carefully monitor and act at the first sign of an infection so you have a
better chance of fighting it before it gets bad. It sounds like exactly
what happened with my Tucker and he had cancer, loss of appetite, less
active…  His was in his chest though and we knew it because he was
regurgitating his food and we did an x-ray and found the mass. Lymphoma is
very common among young FELV cats and can go to many different places in
the body. I am so very sorry about Fiona, it is so heartbreaking to lose
them so young, and to see them go through such a rapid decline, Tucker
lasted a little over a month and a half but he was on steroids without
those he would have gone just as quickly, it was still a very sad time for
me knowing his time was so limited, and knowing he didn’t feel as good and
wasn’t as happy as he was before. Tucker was about the same age. I am
sending prayers your way that Dolce did not get it. People have had them
living together and their other cats did not get it so there is hope. Also
I think it is better if they come into contact with it when they are older
rather than when they are kittens as their immune systems might be strong
enough to fight it off and eliminate it before it can get into the marrow
and stick around forever.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Mary Muzyka
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:48 PM
*To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)



Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Ok, thank you, and I understand and agree with your points as well.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:52 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



Rachel



I don’t think I suggested you are an anti-vaxxer, so I apologize if you
took my comments that way. However, what I do suggest is caution and a
healthy inquiring mind regarding interacting with people who are giving out
faulty, unscientific advice about vaccines (and there are a lot of them,
though their voices are far more muted now since the measles out break). I
don’t think a vet who suggests spacing out vaccinations or one who measures
titres are at all anit-vaccination. These are prudent measures to take and
I agree that our animals likely hold their immunity, when vaccinated, a lot
longer than a year (which is why measuring of titres makes sense – you are
measuring the reactivity of the immune system to a particular antigen, to
determine if the animal is still responsive to the introduction of the
bacteria or viral antigen). However, my caution is to remind people that
even with some problems with some vaccines, we shouldn’t respond by moving
180 degrees in the opposite direction. We should also not pay attention to
those who call for a blanket rejection of vaccines. This is a dangerous
strategy.



On one point, though, I want to make a comment. Vaccinations are not just
about one person or one animal. Vaccinations are also for the good of the
community. Those who DON’T vaccinate are only safe because they are
cocooned inside a grouping of a whole lot of other people or animals, who
had to take the risks – no matter how big or slight one perceives those to
be – of being vaccinated. That is why many states, provinces, etc., have
rules about what vaccines kids have to have before they can go to school.
If your choice meant that your own child and only your own child was put at
risk, that is one thing. But that is not the case. In the German measles
outbreak that happened in Disney world, I seem to recall that several young
children under the age of two, died and/or were left permanently damaged by
the infection. Children under two cannot be vaccinated, so they truly must
rely on the rest of us being vaccinated to keep the infection away from
them. So while there are elements of personal choice, where an infection
can spread to others in the community, I think that takes the issue out of
solely being personal and elevates it to a community issue. The saying in
law is along the lines of, “your rights end where mine begin”. However, I
agree with you that you have far more flexibility with indoor cats, keeping
in mind the proviso that Margo mentioned – that circumstances happen and
our cats get out, with or without us meaning to have that happen.



I also agree with you completely about the rabies vaccine, and I wouldn’t
be at all surprised if they found that the immunity the animals garner,
holds for a lot longer than three years. I think what you are describing
your Tampa vet does, is prudent and makes a lot of sense.





Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* June-09-16 3:05 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Margo
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



Everyone has a choice in how they chose to proceed with their indoor FELV
cats. I never said I was anti vaccine, I said I personally would not have
given Tucker more vaccines if I had known then what I know now. He started
having infections after he got them and our world went downhill from there,
his immune system was already compromised and I wish I would not have added
the extra stress to it. My choice. I said I am very concerned about the
rabies vaccine for my tiny, older (inside and/or never out of my sight) dog
since she has always had very bad reactions to them and now has a large
lump on her side that will not go away, I am looking into my options, and
will weigh them very carefully to decide what I feel comfortable with. My
choice. Since we now know that there are several people on this list who
along with their vets, might not choose to vaccinate their sick or elderly
animals, and for obviously concerning reasons, I would hope you are not
using the term anti-vaxxers to refer to myself or to them? In the event
anyone is interested, I found an integrative vet in Tampa and it is a hike
for me but she does not do vaccines all at once, she spaces them out,
writes exemptions for pets that have had serious adverse reactions, or have
serious illnesses where their heath could be compromised by vaccines, and
will do the titer with one T test, for your piece of mind that your pet
still has enough antibodies for protection, the test is not recognized as a
replacement for the shot at least where I live, but at least it is
something for me 

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Mary

If Fiona died from FeLV, I cannot imagine that you would have gotten back good 
blood results, although your email wasn’t clear regarding exactly what tests 
were run. If you provide some more info, along with the results, I might be 
able to give you some feedback. Sure does sound suspicious to blame FeLV, based 
on the info you have provided.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
Muzyka
Sent: June-09-16 3:48 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Hello,

I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.  I 
recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was gone 
within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely 
walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she wasn't 
jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to the vet and 
they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office 
telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out for other various 
tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems.  
Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I 
used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her 
back to the vet.  She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she 
began eating and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to 
give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting 
down and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told 
me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the 
streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & 
leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, 
Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me 
there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right 
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is 
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here, 
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play 
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since I 
rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading, no one 
has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had something 
else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years.  I'd 
be interested in your thoughts.

Mary Muzyka
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Amani Oakley]

Rachel

I don’t think I suggested you are an anti-vaxxer, so I apologize if you took my 
comments that way. However, what I do suggest is caution and a healthy 
inquiring mind regarding interacting with people who are giving out faulty, 
unscientific advice about vaccines (and there are a lot of them, though their 
voices are far more muted now since the measles out break). I don’t think a vet 
who suggests spacing out vaccinations or one who measures titres are at all 
anit-vaccination. These are prudent measures to take and I agree that our 
animals likely hold their immunity, when vaccinated, a lot longer than a year 
(which is why measuring of titres makes sense – you are measuring the 
reactivity of the immune system to a particular antigen, to determine if the 
animal is still responsive to the introduction of the bacteria or viral 
antigen). However, my caution is to remind people that even with some problems 
with some vaccines, we shouldn’t respond by moving 180 degrees in the opposite 
direction. We should also not pay attention to those who call for a blanket 
rejection of vaccines. This is a dangerous strategy.

On one point, though, I want to make a comment. Vaccinations are not just about 
one person or one animal. Vaccinations are also for the good of the community. 
Those who DON’T vaccinate are only safe because they are cocooned inside a 
grouping of a whole lot of other people or animals, who had to take the risks – 
no matter how big or slight one perceives those to be – of being vaccinated. 
That is why many states, provinces, etc., have rules about what vaccines kids 
have to have before they can go to school. If your choice meant that your own 
child and only your own child was put at risk, that is one thing. But that is 
not the case. In the German measles outbreak that happened in Disney world, I 
seem to recall that several young children under the age of two, died and/or 
were left permanently damaged by the infection. Children under two cannot be 
vaccinated, so they truly must rely on the rest of us being vaccinated to keep 
the infection away from them. So while there are elements of personal choice, 
where an infection can spread to others in the community, I think that takes 
the issue out of solely being personal and elevates it to a community issue. 
The saying in law is along the lines of, “your rights end where mine begin”. 
However, I agree with you that you have far more flexibility with indoor cats, 
keeping in mind the proviso that Margo mentioned – that circumstances happen 
and our cats get out, with or without us meaning to have that happen.

I also agree with you completely about the rabies vaccine, and I wouldn’t be at 
all surprised if they found that the immunity the animals garner, holds for a 
lot longer than three years. I think what you are describing your Tampa vet 
does, is prudent and makes a lot of sense.


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: June-09-16 3:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Margo
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Everyone has a choice in how they chose to proceed with their indoor FELV cats. 
I never said I was anti vaccine, I said I personally would not have given 
Tucker more vaccines if I had known then what I know now. He started having 
infections after he got them and our world went downhill from there, his immune 
system was already compromised and I wish I would not have added the extra 
stress to it. My choice. I said I am very concerned about the rabies vaccine 
for my tiny, older (inside and/or never out of my sight) dog since she has 
always had very bad reactions to them and now has a large lump on her side that 
will not go away, I am looking into my options, and will weigh them very 
carefully to decide what I feel comfortable with. My choice. Since we now know 
that there are several people on this list who along with their vets, might not 
choose to vaccinate their sick or elderly animals, and for obviously concerning 
reasons, I would hope you are not using the term anti-vaxxers to refer to 
myself or to them? In the event anyone is interested, I found an integrative 
vet in Tampa and it is a hike for me but she does not do vaccines all at once, 
she spaces them out, writes exemptions for pets that have had serious adverse 
reactions, or have serious illnesses where their heath could be compromised by 
vaccines, and will do the titer with one T test, for your piece of mind that 
your pet still has enough antibodies for protection, the test is not recognized 
as a replacement for the shot at least where I live, but at least it is 
something for me whether they recognize it or not. It would be nice to have her 
examine Daizy and talk with me about my options for rabies and see how she 
feels about giving them again when it is time. She also gives something called 
Lyssin 30c that she gives at the same 

[Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Mary Muzyka]

Hello,

I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Mary Muzyka
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Everyone has a choice in how they chose to proceed with their indoor FELV
cats. I never said I was anti vaccine, I said I personally would not have
given Tucker more vaccines if I had known then what I know now. He started
having infections after he got them and our world went downhill from there,
his immune system was already compromised and I wish I would not have added
the extra stress to it. My choice. I said I am very concerned about the
rabies vaccine for my tiny, older (inside and/or never out of my sight) dog
since she has always had very bad reactions to them and now has a large
lump on her side that will not go away, I am looking into my options, and
will weigh them very carefully to decide what I feel comfortable with. My
choice. Since we now know that there are several people on this list who
along with their vets, might not choose to vaccinate their sick or elderly
animals, and for obviously concerning reasons, I would hope you are not
using the term anti-vaxxers to refer to myself or to them? In the event
anyone is interested, I found an integrative vet in Tampa and it is a hike
for me but she does not do vaccines all at once, she spaces them out,
writes exemptions for pets that have had serious adverse reactions, or have
serious illnesses where their heath could be compromised by vaccines, and
will do the titer with one T test, for your piece of mind that your pet
still has enough antibodies for protection, the test is not recognized as a
replacement for the shot at least where I live, but at least it is
something for me whether they recognize it or not. It would be nice to have
her examine Daizy and talk with me about my options for rabies and see how
she feels about giving them again when it is time. She also gives something
called Lyssin 30c that she gives at the same time as the rabies vaccine to
try to protect against the adverse side effects it can have. When I get a
new kitty I will give her the vaccines that I think she needs which will be
very few for an inside cat, and I will do it in the safest way it can
possibly be done. I will give her the 3 year rabies as required, if she
becomes ill for whatever reason and her immune system is compromised, or
she has a serious reaction, I will weigh my options carefully again. And I
will pray she is not one that develops cancer from it. And I will continue
to hope that they discover that they can stretch it beyond 3 years, and
that maybe like they discovered with the every year scenario that it wasn’t
really necessary.





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 1:13 PM
*To:* Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I am VERY pro-vaccine. I have a lengthy and extensive background in
Microbiology and there is a very solid scientific basis for my position.
Unfortunately, my experience is that many many people who are anti-vaccine
don’t understand how vaccines work and certainly don’t understand where we
came from and just how many animals and people died from diseases we now
have under control. The only reason that people can now get away with
avoiding vaccines, whether that is in people or in animals, is because they
are dependent on the herd immunity. You don’t need to worry too much about
getting German measles if all your neighbours are vaccinated, and you don’t
need to worry about vaccinating your dog for rabies if all the
neighbourhood dogs and cats are vaccinated.



I completely agree and echo Margo’s observations. Be careful about this.
People are deciding to forego vaccinations because they don’t see the awful
repercussions often enough to be reminded of why vaccination is one of the
most effective medical interventions in ever. If your cats are completely
indoor, and you aren’t introducing new ones in all the time, then your risk
is probably low and are probably okay to decide not to vaccinate regularly,
with the important proviso Margo intelligently pointed out that sometimes
animals get out despite our best efforts. Margo is also bang on when she
cautions about the whiney world we live in where a mother will point to a
scratch her precious child got while interacting with your cat and insist
on testing to ensure that her coddled child is not going to die from your
dirty animal. You’d better believe that in a contest between an animal’s
life and a human being who has been “harmed” by contact with the animal –
no matter how teensy weensy and inconsequential that harm may appear, or
how unlikely it is that the animal is infected – that animal will die. You
can hire the best lawyers in the country and pour as money as you’ve got
into defending your animal, but it is an entirely lost cause. There isn’t a
court in the world who will rule that the life of your cat isn’t worth the
peace of mind of the mother and child.



Many vets agree that annual vaccinations are no longer needed, especially
with indoor 

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Margo]

And  that's the way. You will know in some way. It will either be instant or a cat you can't get out of your head...especially if you find yourself thinking "I must be NUTS...but..."Don't rush. Or, you can do what i did with my newest dog. Turn to a rescuer you trust, and say "find me a dog (cat) that needs me". He's perfect :)But when it's time, it will happen...Margo-Original Message-
From: Rachel Dagner 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 9:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t know if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday my appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the misfortune of looking at me, or being around me for that matter. Well, I of course cried all of the way to the vets, and all the way home. But then I curled up in bed with my little box of Tucker, and I actually did feel a little more at peace. I laid there with him and went through my pictures again and talked to him about all of my feelings and my love for him, about our memories and how much I miss him.  I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet finder, they test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don’t. I know that there is no sure thing with testing, and I wouldn’t trade my time with Tucker for anything in the world. I just know that emotionally and financially I am not ready for FELV again right now. If it happens, just like with any illness, then I deal with it, because that is what you do.  I am going to Petsmart over in Tampa on Sunday to meet their kitties, I have no idea if I will be ready, or if this is what I desperately need to do to help me heal, but it won’t hurt to go meet them and see how my heart feels. One of the greatest gifts Tucker gave me is that “no cats” Harry, when I showed him a pictures of a kitty on Pet finder he said  “Is that the one you want to get?” So I know now that I will never again have to live without the feel of that soft fur on my face or the heart melting sound of purring in my ear. It is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I am scared not to. I guess we will see what happens… From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy RobertsonSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:59 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your fur-baby. The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even though I said I would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my heart, but Topaz is easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had with Tigger or like you had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a reason to not try again, and with all the little homeless kitties, I think Tigger would have wanted me to help another kitty. Certainly take your time, but I hope you can open your heart again at some point. Ardy  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel DagnerSent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined him that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I only had him for a year and a half. In that time we went through so much. Emergency vet visits, surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world though. He touched my life and heart so much. I opted for a private cremation, so I can keep him close to me always. I was the one person in his life that he loved and adored more than anything, and he never doubted my love for him.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for you.  On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.Ardy-Original Message-From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf OfRachel DagnerSent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Felvtalk] TuckerI lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing dueto the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was sovery hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I misshim so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today,and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was layingon my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he isgone. 

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Amani Oakley]

I am VERY pro-vaccine. I have a lengthy and extensive background in 
Microbiology and there is a very solid scientific basis for my position. 
Unfortunately, my experience is that many many people who are anti-vaccine 
don’t understand how vaccines work and certainly don’t understand where we came 
from and just how many animals and people died from diseases we now have under 
control. The only reason that people can now get away with avoiding vaccines, 
whether that is in people or in animals, is because they are dependent on the 
herd immunity. You don’t need to worry too much about getting German measles if 
all your neighbours are vaccinated, and you don’t need to worry about 
vaccinating your dog for rabies if all the neighbourhood dogs and cats are 
vaccinated.

I completely agree and echo Margo’s observations. Be careful about this. People 
are deciding to forego vaccinations because they don’t see the awful 
repercussions often enough to be reminded of why vaccination is one of the most 
effective medical interventions in ever. If your cats are completely indoor, 
and you aren’t introducing new ones in all the time, then your risk is probably 
low and are probably okay to decide not to vaccinate regularly, with the 
important proviso Margo intelligently pointed out that sometimes animals get 
out despite our best efforts. Margo is also bang on when she cautions about the 
whiney world we live in where a mother will point to a scratch her precious 
child got while interacting with your cat and insist on testing to ensure that 
her coddled child is not going to die from your dirty animal. You’d better 
believe that in a contest between an animal’s life and a human being who has 
been “harmed” by contact with the animal – no matter how teensy weensy and 
inconsequential that harm may appear, or how unlikely it is that the animal is 
infected – that animal will die. You can hire the best lawyers in the country 
and pour as money as you’ve got into defending your animal, but it is an 
entirely lost cause. There isn’t a court in the world who will rule that the 
life of your cat isn’t worth the peace of mind of the mother and child.

Many vets agree that annual vaccinations are no longer needed, especially with 
indoor animals, but check with the laws in your area and don’t run afoul of 
them if you can help it. And don’t take for granted the power of the 
microorganisms that attack animals and humans. With animals, unfortunately, 
vaccine manufacturers likely rush a vaccine into production well before it 
reaches the level of proof and safety we expect in human medicine, and thus, 
for diseases like FeLV, the vaccine is iffy. However, considering what we all 
know – how lethal FeLV can be and how little is in the arsenal to fight it – it 
is not surprising that someone decided a partially or sometimes effective 
vaccine is better than no vaccine at all, until something better comes along. 
Same goes with rabies – it is lethal and a terrible and painful way to die and 
very transmissible. Again, the only reason people are taking chances with 
rabies now is because of the effectiveness of the rabies vaccine – most of us 
luckily never have seen an animal infected with rabies. So we get complacent. 
However, as Margo pointed out, in animal species who are not pet species and 
thus don’t have a high vaccination rate (like raccoons, foxes and skunks) 
rabies is still a significant threat. Where our animals may come in contact 
with skunks, raccoons and foxes, even inadvertently, it is not wise to have 
unvaccinated dogs and cats, though I agree that annual vaccinations are 
probably not necessary. As for vets and dog groomers, they may not ask if 
animals have been vaccinated because it was long the norm and the majority of 
people had vaccinated animals. With the spread of anti-vaccination messages, I 
predict this will soon enough become a problem again. (Just remember the 
measles outbreak in Disneyworld last year or the year before – too many 
complacent people assuming that measles as no longer a threat.) Just 
contemplate what the rabies vaccine has managed to accomplish – there are parts 
of the world that are completely rabies free (like Australia where Johnny Depp 
recently had his run-in with the Prime Minister over this). This isn’t because 
rabies just up and disappeared people! It’s because Australia is an island so 
it has a contained land mass surrounded by water, and no new animals can wander 
in from a neighbouring country, and with a long and aggressive rabies 
vaccination program (including putting rabies vaccine laced food out for wild 
animals as we do in Ontario too), they have managed to eradicate the disease in 
the entire country. And that’s of course why Australia got so snitty with 
Johnny Depp who smuggled in his dogs (not that I don’t sympathize).

Do your own research into the history of the infections brought under control 
by vaccinations, learn how they work, and don’t 

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Margo]

Lorrie gives you very good advice. And many rescues, and even shelters will let 
an older cat go on a trial basis. They will sometimes go a bit farther for an 
older cat, knowing there are few options. Most potential adopters want kittens. 
If you are very strong, consider a senior cat. They have often been loved all 
their lives, and when their own person dies or goes into care, for some reason 
there is no longer a place for them. Many have 6-8 good years left, but that is 
a tough choice knowing time is limited.

Whatever your choice, thank you for giving another cat a soft, safe place to 
fall... 

:)

Margo


-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie 
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 10:47 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
>Rachel,
>
>You will never forget Tucker, and a new cat will not replace Tucker,
>but it will soon make it's own place in your heart.
>-
>
>I cannot imagine not having a cat to love, when I lose one. There are
>so many wonderful, loving cats who desperately need a home, and if I
>may offer a bit of advise from an old lady If you want to be
>sure of a very affectionate, loving cat I'd suggest you pick a cat,
>not a kitten.  Kittens are adorable, but their personalities are not
>yet formed, and you could be disappointed when the kitten grows up. 
>With an older cat who reaches out to you with paws extended, purring
>and ready for love, you'll get the kind of cat you need and want -
>Go for it!
>
>
>Lorrie
>
>
>
>
>On 06-09, Rachel Dagner wrote:
>>I picked up Tucker's ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn't
>>know if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven't eaten since
>>Sunday my appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a
>>couple protein shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone
>>who has the misfortune of looking at me, or being around me for that
>>matter. Well, I of course cried all of the way to the vets, and all the
>>way home. But then I curled up in bed with my little box of Tucker, and
>>I actually did feel a little more at peace. I laid there with him and
>>went through my pictures again and talked to him about all of my
>>feelings and my love for him, about our memories and how much I miss
>>him.
>> 
>> 
>>I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet
>>finder, they test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don't. I
>>know that there is no sure thing with testing, and I wouldn't trade my
>>time with Tucker for anything in the world. I just know that
>>emotionally and financially I am not ready for FELV again right now. If
>>it happens, just like with any illness, then I deal with it, because
>>that is what you do.  I am going to Petsmart over in Tampa on Sunday to
>>meet their kitties, I have no idea if I will be ready, or if this is
>>what I desperately need to do to help me heal, but it won't hurt to go
>>meet them and see how my heart feels. One of the greatest gifts Tucker
>>gave me is that "no cats" Harry, when I showed him a pictures of a
>>kitty on Pet finder he said  "Is that the one you want to get?" So I
>>know now that I will never again have to live without the feel of that
>>soft fur on my face or the heart melting sound of purring in my ear. It
>>is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I am scared not to. I
>>guess we will see what happens...
>> 
>> 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Christine Dundas]

Rachel
You are in my thoughts.  Our little Ruthie died in my husband's arms.  We
also have her ashes.  I will never forget her.  We only had her a short
time, almost two years.  But she was very special.  I hate FELV so much.

Christine
On Jun 9, 2016 7:50 AM, "Rachel Dagner"  wrote:

> I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t
> know if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday
> my appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein
> shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the
> misfortune of looking at me, or being around me for that matter. Well, I of
> course cried all of the way to the vets, and all the way home. But then I
> curled up in bed with my little box of Tucker, and I actually did feel a
> little more at peace. I laid there with him and went through my pictures
> again and talked to him about all of my feelings and my love for him, about
> our memories and how much I miss him.
>
>
>
> I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet finder,
> they test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don’t. I know that there
> is no sure thing with testing, and I wouldn’t trade my time with Tucker for
> anything in the world. I just know that emotionally and financially I am
> not ready for FELV again right now. If it happens, just like with any
> illness, then I deal with it, because that is what you do.  I am going to
> Petsmart over in Tampa on Sunday to meet their kitties, I have no idea if I
> will be ready, or if this is what I desperately need to do to help me heal,
> but it won’t hurt to go meet them and see how my heart feels. One of the
> greatest gifts Tucker gave me is that “no cats” Harry, when I showed him a
> pictures of a kitty on Pet finder he said  “Is that the one you want to
> get?” So I know now that I will never again have to live without the feel
> of that soft fur on my face or the heart melting sound of purring in my
> ear. It is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I am scared not to.
> I guess we will see what happens…
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Ardy Robertson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:59 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
>
>
> I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your
> fur-baby. The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even
> though I said I would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my
> heart, but Topaz is easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had
> with Tigger or like you had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a
> reason to not try again, and with all the little homeless kitties, I think
> Tigger would have wanted me to help another kitty. Certainly take your
> time, but I hope you can open your heart again at some point.
>
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
>
>
> Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard
> for me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of
> my adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and
> imagined him that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I
> only had him for a year and a half. In that time we went through so much.
> Emergency vet visits, surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world
> though. He touched my life and heart so much. I opted for a private
> cremation, so I can keep him close to me always. I was the one person in
> his life that he loved and adored more than anything, and he never doubted
> my love for him.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:
>
> I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy
> memories you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're
> here for you.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson 
> wrote:
>
> I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.
>
> Ardy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing
> due
> to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was
> so
> very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
> him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone
> today,
> and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was
> laying
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Lorrie]

Rachel,

You will never forget Tucker, and a new cat will not replace Tucker,
but it will soon make it's own place in your heart.
-

I cannot imagine not having a cat to love, when I lose one. There are
so many wonderful, loving cats who desperately need a home, and if I
may offer a bit of advise from an old lady If you want to be
sure of a very affectionate, loving cat I'd suggest you pick a cat,
not a kitten.  Kittens are adorable, but their personalities are not
yet formed, and you could be disappointed when the kitten grows up. 
With an older cat who reaches out to you with paws extended, purring
and ready for love, you'll get the kind of cat you need and want -
Go for it!


Lorrie




On 06-09, Rachel Dagner wrote:
>I picked up Tucker's ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn't
>know if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven't eaten since
>Sunday my appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a
>couple protein shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone
>who has the misfortune of looking at me, or being around me for that
>matter. Well, I of course cried all of the way to the vets, and all the
>way home. But then I curled up in bed with my little box of Tucker, and
>I actually did feel a little more at peace. I laid there with him and
>went through my pictures again and talked to him about all of my
>feelings and my love for him, about our memories and how much I miss
>him.
> 
> 
>I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet
>finder, they test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don't. I
>know that there is no sure thing with testing, and I wouldn't trade my
>time with Tucker for anything in the world. I just know that
>emotionally and financially I am not ready for FELV again right now. If
>it happens, just like with any illness, then I deal with it, because
>that is what you do.  I am going to Petsmart over in Tampa on Sunday to
>meet their kitties, I have no idea if I will be ready, or if this is
>what I desperately need to do to help me heal, but it won't hurt to go
>meet them and see how my heart feels. One of the greatest gifts Tucker
>gave me is that "no cats" Harry, when I showed him a pictures of a
>kitty on Pet finder he said  "Is that the one you want to get?" So I
>know now that I will never again have to live without the feel of that
>soft fur on my face or the heart melting sound of purring in my ear. It
>is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I am scared not to. I
>guess we will see what happens...
> 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Katherine K.]

Rachel, That's lovely. You could try fostering or volunteering with the
shelter or the cats at Petsmart. You could help some kitties along the way
but not have to make any big decisions or commitments until you're ready.
Of course, there's nothing quite like the excitement of officially
adopting. :) Whatever you do, I'm sure Tucker would be proud.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:

> I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t
> know if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday
> my appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein
> shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the
> misfortune of looking at me, or being around me for that matter. Well, I of
> course cried all of the way to the vets, and all the way home. But then I
> curled up in bed with my little box of Tucker, and I actually did feel a
> little more at peace. I laid there with him and went through my pictures
> again and talked to him about all of my feelings and my love for him, about
> our memories and how much I miss him.
>
>
>
> I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet finder,
> they test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don’t. I know that there
> is no sure thing with testing, and I wouldn’t trade my time with Tucker for
> anything in the world. I just know that emotionally and financially I am
> not ready for FELV again right now. If it happens, just like with any
> illness, then I deal with it, because that is what you do.  I am going to
> Petsmart over in Tampa on Sunday to meet their kitties, I have no idea if I
> will be ready, or if this is what I desperately need to do to help me heal,
> but it won’t hurt to go meet them and see how my heart feels. One of the
> greatest gifts Tucker gave me is that “no cats” Harry, when I showed him a
> pictures of a kitty on Pet finder he said  “Is that the one you want to
> get?” So I know now that I will never again have to live without the feel
> of that soft fur on my face or the heart melting sound of purring in my
> ear. It is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I am scared not to.
> I guess we will see what happens…
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Ardy Robertson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:59 PM
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
>
>
> I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your
> fur-baby. The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even
> though I said I would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my
> heart, but Topaz is easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had
> with Tigger or like you had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a
> reason to not try again, and with all the little homeless kitties, I think
> Tigger would have wanted me to help another kitty. Certainly take your
> time, but I hope you can open your heart again at some point.
>
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
>
>
> Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard
> for me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of
> my adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and
> imagined him that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I
> only had him for a year and a half. In that time we went through so much.
> Emergency vet visits, surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world
> though. He touched my life and heart so much. I opted for a private
> cremation, so I can keep him close to me always. I was the one person in
> his life that he loved and adored more than anything, and he never doubted
> my love for him.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:
>
> I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy
> memories you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're
> here for you.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson 
> wrote:
>
> I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.
>
> Ardy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing
> due
> to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was
> so
> very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
> him so much. Everything reminds me of 

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Rachel Dagner]

I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t know
if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday my
appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein
shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the
misfortune of looking at me, or being around me for that matter. Well, I of
course cried all of the way to the vets, and all the way home. But then I
curled up in bed with my little box of Tucker, and I actually did feel a
little more at peace. I laid there with him and went through my pictures
again and talked to him about all of my feelings and my love for him, about
our memories and how much I miss him.



I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet finder,
they test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don’t. I know that there
is no sure thing with testing, and I wouldn’t trade my time with Tucker for
anything in the world. I just know that emotionally and financially I am
not ready for FELV again right now. If it happens, just like with any
illness, then I deal with it, because that is what you do.  I am going to
Petsmart over in Tampa on Sunday to meet their kitties, I have no idea if I
will be ready, or if this is what I desperately need to do to help me heal,
but it won’t hurt to go meet them and see how my heart feels. One of the
greatest gifts Tucker gave me is that “no cats” Harry, when I showed him a
pictures of a kitty on Pet finder he said  “Is that the one you want to
get?” So I know now that I will never again have to live without the feel
of that soft fur on my face or the heart melting sound of purring in my
ear. It is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I am scared not to.
I guess we will see what happens…



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Ardy Robertson
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:59 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker



I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your
fur-baby. The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even
though I said I would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my
heart, but Topaz is easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had
with Tigger or like you had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a
reason to not try again, and with all the little homeless kitties, I think
Tigger would have wanted me to help another kitty. Certainly take your
time, but I hope you can open your heart again at some point.



Ardy





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker



Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard
for me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of
my adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and
imagined him that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I
only had him for a year and a half. In that time we went through so much.
Emergency vet visits, surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world
though. He touched my life and heart so much. I opted for a private
cremation, so I can keep him close to me always. I was the one person in
his life that he loved and adored more than anything, and he never doubted
my love for him.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:

I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories
you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for
you.



On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:

I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker

I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing due
to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was so
very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today,
and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was laying
on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is
gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car
door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with
me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I
know that those here who have gone through this understand where I am right
now.

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Margo]

I lived for 30 years in Broward/Palm Beach counties. I never had an EVet ask 
for proof of rabies. Nor did referral Vets. Eventually they would want a 
history, but I was never asked "up front".

Where in FL? (just general, I don't need specifics)

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Rachel Dagner 
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 7:41 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>That is why I think it is important for a felv cat owner to try to find an 
>integrative vet. They don't believe in over vaccination and will still treat 
>your animal. Of course it could still be a problem if your cat needed 
>emergency care. Something to ask the vet if you found one. Somehow in New York 
>at Dr. Goldstein's clinic they find a way. People go there from all over the 
>world to have their pets treated for very serious illnesses. And he sends his 
>patients out to other vets who do surgeries or other procedures and he does 
>not over vaccinate. Maybe he has found like minded regular vets to work with. 
>I just wish I could have a network like that here in Florida. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
>> for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
>> vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
>> vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
>> spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
>> And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
>> 
>> I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
>> training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
>> vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
>> believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
>> raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Ardy Robertson, Clerk
>> Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
>> N14438 Valleybrook Ln
>> Osseo  WI  54758
>> 715-533-0661
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
>> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>> That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
>> has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
>> got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
>> is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
>> will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
>> the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>>>   Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>>   cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>>   compromised immune system?
>> -
>> 
>> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
>> cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
>> can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>> -
>> 
>> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>> Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
>> fully developed.
>> 
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[dlgegg]

aNYTHING LIKE pRED SHOULD BE TAPERED OFF.  dOESN'T HURT .

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> It was my vet who told me this, once when I mentioned that I was tapering my 
> cat off prednisone and how important that was (which I knew to be the case in 
> humans). She said it really didn’t effect cats that way, and there was no 
> need to worry excessively about tapering off or putting them on prednisone 
> gradually. With the Winstrol, which is not a corticosteroid, it doesn’t have 
> the depressive effect on the immune system typical of prednisone, so long 
> term use has other potential side effects associated with it, but that isn’t 
> one of them. Nonetheless, where possible, I usually will still taper off the 
> prednisone. I am not so concerned anymore about increasing the dose gradually.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: June-08-16 4:48 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...
> 
> I know you feel that way. I still can’t help but worry about long term use 
> with something that suppresses the immune system when they are so susceptible 
> to other infections and cancers as it is. If there is no other option besides 
> long term use then it is what it is. I just hope Bob’s kitty doesn’t need it 
> long term or at least can take the least amount possible to control it, and I 
> hope there is something else he can use to help control it better so he needs 
> less.  I gave Tucker prednisone right up until the end so we could spend 
> every moment possible together. Without it I wouldn’t have gotten that extra 
> month and a half with him. I wish it could have kept him going forever.
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
>  On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 4:11 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...
> 
> Actually Rachel, with cats, who have a very different metabolism than we do 
> (or dogs for that matter) they seem to do very very well on steroids and do 
> not suffer the kinds of side effects one sees in humans on long term 
> prednisone use, etc.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: June-08-16 11:43 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...
> 
> What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic, 
> taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it does 
> turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they use that 
> is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and see if that 
> works so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be worth a try at 
> least, I searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book, and it says a 
> company called Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in researching animal 
> glandulars, they used cow eye protein for uveitis, one of the companies he 
> uses for his glandulars is called Standard Process you can’t buy their 
> products unless you are a qualified health care professional ( I looked them 
> up) but maybe your vet can help you get something like that to try if needed. 
> I have read that you should never stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he 
> told you to do a diminishing dose.
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
>  On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...
> 
> Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original note 
> more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see the Vet 
> expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS one 
> prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly affected eye 
> 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks ( diminishing 
> dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving quite a bit and I 
> am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with prescribing Winstrol 
> ...  Won't go into my impressions as to why at this time. Anyone know 
> if improvement lasts for any length of time once the cortisone is 
> discontinued or must it be continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  
> From Everything I have read this is a generally chronic condition that only 
> remits
> Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

That is why I think it is important for a felv cat owner to try to find an 
integrative vet. They don't believe in over vaccination and will still treat 
your animal. Of course it could still be a problem if your cat needed emergency 
care. Something to ask the vet if you found one. Somehow in New York at Dr. 
Goldstein's clinic they find a way. People go there from all over the world to 
have their pets treated for very serious illnesses. And he sends his patients 
out to other vets who do surgeries or other procedures and he does not over 
vaccinate. Maybe he has found like minded regular vets to work with. I just 
wish I could have a network like that here in Florida. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> 
> In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
> for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
> vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
> vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
> spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
> And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
> 
> I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
> training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
> vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
> believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
> raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
> 
> Thank you,
> Ardy Robertson, Clerk
> Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
> N14438 Valleybrook Ln
> Osseo  WI  54758
> 715-533-0661
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
> That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
> has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
> got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
> is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
> will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
> the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lorrie
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>>   Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>   cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>   compromised immune system?
> -
> 
> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
> cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
> can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
> -
> 
> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
> Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
> fully developed.
> 
> 
> Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Probably because the felv vaccine and rabies vaccine are the ones that cause 
injection site sarcoma. So if your cat is not likely to get felv its not worth 
the risk. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 6:12 AM, Margo  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Ardy Robertson 
>> Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
>> To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>> My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV
>> vaccine is not a good idea.
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>>>   Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>>   cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>>   compromised immune system?
>> -
>> 
>> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
>> cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
>> can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>> -
>> 
>> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>> Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
>> fully developed.  
>> 
>> 
>> Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Margo]

Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen the consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that the critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still PLENTY of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever, especially the most important vectors, being skunks and raccoons. Raccoons often occupy attics. Skunks cn take up residence under porches.I worked at an Animal Control facility. Just quickly, animals get out. There are fires, and disasters. Sometimes when an animal has to be caught, a human may be scratched or bitten. Quarantine isn't always an option, and if the anial has injured someone, and that someone requests it, the animal MUST be tested.-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv






Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel DagnerSent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. L Horrible.  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy RobertsonSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) died right after having a rabies vaccination!Ardy  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel DagnerSent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Realissa DekrauntiSent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.  Thanks a lot 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Margo]

I have fed raw, but don't currently.

If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should be 
careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only takes 
one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and she could 
be in deep doo-doo. 

It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not be 
vaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinated and 
subjected to the same conditions as an unvaccinated animal.

It's a choice, but needs to be made with care. 

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson 
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:16 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
>for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
>vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
>vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
>spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
>And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
>
>I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
>training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
>vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
>believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
>raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
>
>Thank you,
>Ardy Robertson, Clerk
>Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
>N14438 Valleybrook Ln
>Osseo  WI  54758
>715-533-0661
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Rachel Dagner
>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
>has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
>got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
>is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
>will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
>the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
>
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
>cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
>can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
>fully developed.
>
>
>Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Margo]

Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson 
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV
>vaccine is not a good idea.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
> 
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
>cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
>can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
>fully developed.  
>
>
>Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Margo]

Ardy,    Thank you. No, Topaz will never take Tigger's place, but I am very sure there is room in your heart for Topaz, as well. And it's an empty home without a cat (or two).Tigger is surely relieved that you will be taken care of...Margo-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 8, 2016 11:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker






I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your fur-baby. The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even though I said I would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my heart, but Topaz is easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had with Tigger or like you had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a reason to not try again, and with all the little homeless kitties, I think Tigger would have wanted me to help another kitty. Certainly take your time, but I hope you can open your heart again at some point. Ardy  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel DagnerSent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined him that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I only had him for a year and a half. In that time we went through so much. Emergency vet visits, surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world though. He touched my life and heart so much. I opted for a private cremation, so I can keep him close to me always. I was the one person in his life that he loved and adored more than anything, and he never doubted my love for him.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for you.  On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.Ardy-Original Message-From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf OfRachel DagnerSent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Felvtalk] TuckerI lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing dueto the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was sovery hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I misshim so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today,and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was layingon my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he isgone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my cardoor open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home withme. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. Iknow that those here who have gone through this understand where I am rightnow.___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Amani Oakley]

Ardy - I do think that what Tigger had was similar to Zander's but I am 
wondering if maybe the blasts we saw and some of the unusual aspects may be the 
result of another strain. But my guess is that we should have started sooner 
and at a higher dose of Winstrol, rather than the answer being another strain. 
With Zander, he had gotten blood transfusions which probably buoyed his 
haematology results and allowed the Winstrol more time to pull up his red 
cells, etc. 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: June-08-16 11:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Amani - would you agree that Tigger's was the same type that Zander had also 
then? And I feel that the Winstrol was working for Tigger's bone marrow also
- it just did not have enough time, in other words if I had gotten the Winstrol 
into him a few months earlier, we likely would have seen more long term 
improvement.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That's interesting information. That also means that what my little Zander had 
would have been the FeLV C form because his bone marrow was completely shut 
down AND the Winstrol regimen worked on what, according to the vet, is the most 
lethal form.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: June-08-16 1:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

To answer your question, he said that the full blown symptoms determine the 
type of Felv. Meaning that bone murrow consumption is a typical sign of Felv C. 
The strains were identified in Vitro BUT there is no way to differentiate them 
through a test. I don't know what to say. I don't trust vets because they don't 
care enough.



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> On 07 giu 2016, at 13:01, Realissa Dekraunti 
> 
wrote:
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal 
> than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
> Thanks a lot

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