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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Epogen and similiars (Nancy)
2. Just a quick question about Prednisone (Sherri Godschalk)
3. Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
4. Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
5. Re: Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone
(Sherri Godschalk)
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:49:43 -0400
From: Nancy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
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Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
~ Nancy ~
On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead of
the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow is
still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and
see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the
hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.
Amani
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Of ROBERT CHAPEL
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
Amani...
I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really
considered this... As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it
becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen(
or
similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out.... My young
boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly
anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before his
numbers drop too substantially...... Very aggravating that my
current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me a script for
Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to the clinics
director... Can't afford to keep changing Vets want someone with at
least a " little " investment in my guy and who has a sense of his
history...
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Today's Topics:
1. FW: Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs.... (Amani Oakley)
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Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 16:19:56 +0000
From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject:
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It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The
Epogen acts on the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a
hormone that tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells.
The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red
cell progenitor cells in the bone marrow and either kills them or
takes them over so that they make viruses, not red cells. My
hypothesis is that when the red cell production stops, it is because
all the progenitor cells have been destroyed or taken over the by
virus. Thus, giving Epogen probably won't be helpful, because the
cells which normally respond to erythropoietin by creating more red
cells, can no longer do so because the progenitor cells are damaged
or dead and can no longer produce red cells.
Winstrol is known to be good for osteoporosis. My hypothesis is that
it strengthens the bone marrow by encouraging the growth of new
cells in the bone marrow. That would explain how red cell production
gets started back up again with the use of Winstrol.
With the Epogen, it is causing more erythropoietin to be produced to
"tell" the progenitor cells to produce red cells, but the progenitor
cells are either dead or damaged by the virus and can no longer
respond appropriately to the detection of higher levels of
erythropoietin. Epogen might work if you start it before the bone
marrow is really devastated - ie - before you get the big drop in
red cells and haematocrit.
Fair warning though: this is all my hypothesis, based on my own
observations, research and experience.
Amani
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On
Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: September-18-16 5:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....
Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or
Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with
Kidney Failure patients)....?? It's appears to be quite a bit
cheaper when used for veterinary purposes than human....?? As the go
to drug for anemia in Kidney patients it would stand to reason that
it "
should" work for Feline anemia......??? There will not be the same
resistance to using this as we encounter attempting to procure
Winstrol......
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:23:44 -0400
From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question
about Prednisone
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Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV
+ cat
named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one
she ran
out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this
one is
a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the
reverse.
I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says
Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could ask?what does the Pred pill
look
like that you are giving your cat? I don?t want to miss a dose but
also
don?t want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.
Sherri and Bogey
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:26:48 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:43:08 -0400
From: Sherri Godschalk To: Margo ,
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about
Prednisone
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Hi Margo,
Both the viles are marked Prednisolone so I believe they mismarked
this and
put the wrong pill in there(Prednisone). I didn?t realize that I HAD
been
giving her Prednisolone until right this moment. I am not sure what to
do.
She is due now for the pill but I feel like I should skip this dose
and get
to the vet first thing in the morning to get the other. Do you agree?
Will
it hurt her to miss a dose?
From: Felvtalk on behalf of Margo
Reply-To: Margo ,
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM
To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question
about
Prednisone
Sorry, it's 5 mg predniSONE.
What you had before was likely predniSOLONE.
Prednisolone s considered by many to be better for cats, because
predniSONE
must be proceesed in the liver before it is the useable form
predniSOLONE
Sorry....
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From: Sherri Godschalk
Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone
Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my
FELV + cat
named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one
she ran
out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this
one is a
round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the
reverse. I
fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says
Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could ask?what does the Pred pill
look like
that you are giving your cat? I don?t want to miss a dose but also
don?t want
to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.
Sherri and Bogey
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