Re: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ??

[Amani Oakley]

Roxanne

First, I am so very sorry for your loss. It never, ever gets any easier, but 
you must know how much you did for your baby.

Your question is not a stupid one. What you are asking about could 
theoretically be possible. A cat’s brain is no different than a baby’s brain, 
and if you shake a cat hard, you could possibly cause the cat’s brain to 
herniate (swell and ultimately push down into the hole at the base of the 
skull). However, from what you describe, the more likely answer is something 
akin to a stroke, which is the result of a clot lodging in the brain and/or a 
haemorrhagic stroke where blood vessels burst in the brain, blocking an area 
from receiving blood flow. Just like in people, strokes can happen in many 
conditions, particularly in debilitated patients.

I think that is the likely answer here Roxanne, so there is no reason to 
suspect your babysitter did something wrong.

Again, my heart goes out to you for your loss of Neveah.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Roxanne Smith
Sent: September-27-16 2:26 AM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ??

It has been awhile since I have looked at my emails and or participated in this 
group-but I am desperate for some help and answers, of which I am not even sure 
I explain all in an email.
Here goes, another one of my feline leuk cats died yesterday (Monday) AM.
She dropped to 6.4 pounds, lost a pound in one month-has not really been eating 
for days, keeping to herself, hiding, but would sit by me. The last two or 
three days she would no longer sleep with me.
I went to Florida a couple of weeks ago, had a babysitter come in daily to 
check on her-and she appeared to be doing well but starting going downhill, 
Neveah--cat lost about one pound in a month time period.
So this is where I really need help-and please pass on to see additional 
answers. I have noticed only a few people ever answer or respond to emails but 
I can say much as I never do. :.(
So I took Neveah to the ER Monday AM, as her temp dropped to 98.5, she could 
not move, and her rt eye was dilated and would not go back to normal and left 
eye appeared to be fine. Sunday my friend was in the room with her for hours 
and noticed the cat Neveah was acting/walking not correctly. Is anyone every 
heard of shaken cat syndrome-is it possible my friend dropped Neveah, or shook 
her in the room and caused her to have a blood clot-yes I am grasping here.
As with everyone I feel bad, should I have been more aggressive in giving her 
sub q fluids, obviously too late now, she is gone.
I have requested her latest blood panel for my records, but I know her kidney 
panels were not good.
Is anyone in this group but any chance from the Milwaukee area/ Or there any 
vets in this group, whom would be willing to speak with me.
Please be as honest as possible-or if you need more information before you 
answer please let me know that as well
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

[Amani Oakley]

Yes Ardy. The doxycycline has been found to interfere with RNA replication 
which is how viruses reproduce.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: September-28-16 11:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

Hi Sherri,
Have you tried approaching your vet with the explanation that you heard that 
doxycycline stops the FeLV virus from, I believe, replicating? Amani - is that 
the terminology? Anyway, maybe your vet has not heard about this and may be 
curious enough to let you try it. I really feel the Winstrol course of 
treatment would benefit from doxy and the prednisolone.
Just a suggestion - I know vets can be egotistical and stubborn.
Ardy

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

Elizabeth, I am so sorry you are having such trouble getting your vet to try 
the meds. I can say personally that in my situation with Bogey, it DOES work. 
She is feeling so much better. I cannot get my vet to prescribe Doxycycline 
though and don't feel like I can push the issue. He has a fragile ego I think 
and I do not want to jeopardize him prescribing the Stanzolol to me. It is a 
dilemma for all of us I think with our vets.

I do so hope you can find someone in your area that is willing to try the 
Winstrol/Stanzolol. Changing vets is a nightmare I know and have been down that 
road myself. But if your current vet still resists and won't even try, I would 
be trying to find another. Do you have a teaching hospital in your area? Purdue 
University (School of Veterinary Science) here in Indiana I know goes above and 
beyond when you take your pet to them...I know this first hand as well for 
another situation I was in with a dog several years ago.

I so wish you luck. Don't give up.

Sherri



From: Felvtalk 
>
 on behalf of Liz McCarty >
Reply-To: >
Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM
To: >
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37


I spoke with the vet this evening and she said Winstrol doesn't work and 
actually can have negative side effects. I also didn't tell her I had already 
started him back on the doxycycline but she said she would prefer instead he 
see the regular vet to see what's going on with his eye. Since the doxycycline 
his eyes look normal again! I don't sense the same urgency that I have in this 
vet, although she is better than the first who just said to euthanize. Any 
ideas how to search FeLV specialists? I've Googled for my area but nothing 
comes up. I live in San Jose Ca

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:33:47 -0700
From: Liz McCarty >
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice
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I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well.
I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken
with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye
is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though.
I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not sure
about his blood count or what it will look like at our appointment
scheduled for 10/4.  He's on his 3rd week of 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Sherri,

Have you tried approaching your vet with the explanation that you heard that
doxycycline stops the FeLV virus from, I believe, replicating? Amani - is
that the terminology? Anyway, maybe your vet has not heard about this and
may be curious enough to let you try it. I really feel the Winstrol course
of treatment would benefit from doxy and the prednisolone.

Just a suggestion - I know vets can be egotistical and stubborn.

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

 

Elizabeth, I am so sorry you are having such trouble getting your vet to try
the meds. I can say personally that in my situation with Bogey, it DOES
work. She is feeling so much better. I cannot get my vet to prescribe
Doxycycline though and don't feel like I can push the issue. He has a
fragile ego I think and I do not want to jeopardize him prescribing the
Stanzolol to me. It is a dilemma for all of us I think with our vets.

 

I do so hope you can find someone in your area that is willing to try the
Winstrol/Stanzolol. Changing vets is a nightmare I know and have been down
that road myself. But if your current vet still resists and won't even try,
I would be trying to find another. Do you have a teaching hospital in your
area? Purdue University (School of Veterinary Science) here in Indiana I
know goes above and beyond when you take your pet to them.I know this first
hand as well for another situation I was in with a dog several years ago. 

 

I so wish you luck. Don't give up. 

 

Sherri

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk  > on behalf of Liz McCarty
 >
Reply-To: 
>
Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM
To:  >
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

 

I spoke with the vet this evening and she said Winstrol doesn't work and
actually can have negative side effects. I also didn't tell her I had
already started him back on the doxycycline but she said she would prefer
instead he see the regular vet to see what's going on with his eye. Since
the doxycycline his eyes look normal again! I don't sense the same urgency
that I have in this vet, although she is better than the first who just said
to euthanize. Any ideas how to search FeLV specialists? I've Googled for my
area but nothing comes up. I live in San Jose Ca 

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438

 

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:33:47 -0700
From: Liz McCarty 
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice
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I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well.
I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken
with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye
is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though.
I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not sure
about his blood count or what it will look like at our appointment
scheduled for 10/4.  He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating
weeks on and weeks off. I'm worried when we take him for the appointment
they will ask us to euthanize him. Would any of you try another transfusion
to see if the interferon can work? Or if we get Winstrol to give that a
shot? Or should we accept that it might be his time to go. I don't want him
to suffer, and I don't want to put him through another round 

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray taming was/Re: Eye Problems and Prednisolone....

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Margo,

 

As far as I know he is not neutered, I’m not even sure he is a “he”……but he 
just seems like a big tomcat. And the other stray – Cally – is a female who 
showed up pregnant so after she had her babies I found homes for them and had 
her spayed. One reason I think he is a boy is that he gets along with Cally 
very well. I am hoping she will allow him to sleep in the shelter that we made 
for her for the winter. It is inside a carport, and is very well insulated and 
has a nice bed in it.

 

It is just baffling……… I have tamed stray cats all my life, and this guy just 
won’t trust me. We do have some farms around here that have an 
alternative-culture of people who believe that cats are rodents and their only 
purpose is to hunt mice. These people do kick cats out of their way, and they 
never ever play with a cat – and they teach their children to never get near a 
cat except to kick it. Many of them are very cruel to their dogs too – the dogs 
are only used for working with cattle, and possibly as a watch dog. I am very 
mild mannered, but I threatened to call the police on one gentleman who I 
witnessed beating a dog. He moved shortly after that. I mentioned to one of 
these folks that we had spent several thousand dollars on our cat Tigger, and 
he almost fell over. So as skiddish as “Wild Thing” is, I am wondering if he 
wandered to our house from one of those farms, and that may be why he simply 
does not trust people.

 

I will check out the feral cat group you suggested….. thank you!!

 

Ardy

 

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray taming was/Re: Eye Problems and Prednisolone

 


Dear Ardy,

 Try joining the yahoo feral cat group. The group is undergoing 
changes, but they should have some really spot-on suggestions for you, these 
people know their stuff!

https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/feral_cats/info

  I'm guessing he's not neutered?
 
Thanks for helping,

Margo 

-Original Message- 
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Sep 27, 2016 10:50 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone 




Speaking of feral cats, we have one that has been coming to our house for about 
a year to be fed. Sometimes he goes about two weeks without showing up and then 
I worry about him. Most of the time he comes morning and night for food. But 
this is one cat I absolutely cannot get close to. I can sometimes put food in 
the dish with him on our step, and once I thought I could pet him while he was 
eating – NOT – he bolted. We call him “Wild Thing” and he is friends with our 
Cally who is also an outdoor stray. Any ideas on making friends with him? I do 
talk to him when I am outside and I show him that Cally likes to be petted, but 
he keeps his distance.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 10:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

 

I agree with Amani on the eye removal. I have a rescue semi-feral kitty cat 
with only one eye - had to remove her from her outside colony when that was 
done - she is now the sweetest girl - still semi-feral.  I have used CareCredit 
for help with my vet bills - I too am on a very fixed income.   I know this 
will work out - don't give up hope

Sandy W

 

 


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From: "Amani Oakley"  >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 11:47:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

 

Robert

 

I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would be 
surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain will stop 
immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who also had severe 
uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing that worked, and the eye was 
really bad.

 

In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to help with 
pain and controlling infection:

 

1.Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and has 
a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2.Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once before 
discarding it.

 

Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will help 
tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a compounding 
pharmacy. 

 

Amani

 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: September-25-16 3:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Cc: 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Liz,

I agree 100% with Amani. I also agree as to how frustrating it is when vets 
give our babies no chance and won’t even try Winstrol. They lollygag around 
until our kitties run out of time. As Amani says the Doxycycline and 
Prednisolone are important to go along with the Winstrol.

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

 

Liz

 

I am gritting my teeth right now. Your vet is basically giving you no options 
to treat FeLV, while telling you that a medication which might help MAY have 
negative side effects. Well, without it, your cat’s odds drop dramatically. 
How’s that for “negative side effects”? I don’t think there are vets who are 
experts in FeLV as far as I know. Go back to your vet, say that you recognize 
that there may be negative side effects, indicate you accept that risk, but 
your options are pretty darned limited, and ask for a trial of Winstrol.

 

I was right about the Doxycycline, Liz. Get him on the Winstrol. I am so sorry, 
because I KNOW how frustrating this is for you. It’s also pretty frustrating 
for me, because I KNOW this stuff works and these vets are driving me totally 
batty. They will safeguard our babies from “side effects” all the way into 
their graves! (Sorry – pissy mood right now! I sound like a bleeping broken 
record.)

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Liz 
McCarty
Sent: September-27-16 10:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

 

I spoke with the vet this evening and she said Winstrol doesn't work and 
actually can have negative side effects. I also didn't tell her I had already 
started him back on the doxycycline but she said she would prefer instead he 
see the regular vet to see what's going on with his eye. Since the doxycycline 
his eyes look normal again! I don't sense the same urgency that I have in this 
vet, although she is better than the first who just said to euthanize. Any 
ideas how to search FeLV specialists? I've Googled for my area but nothing 
comes up. I live in San Jose Ca 

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] wrong pill...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm glad it all worked out for you..
I haven't seen any updates re: Bogey beyond your recent comment to Liz 
that
the Stanazol is helping.   I am so glad you have a vet willing to 
prescribe it..


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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:33:19 -0400
From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wrong Pill??
Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="ISO-8859-1"

Thank you Robert for the Pill Identifier idea. They actually had given 
me

the wrong pill and were very apologetic. She was a tech that dispensed
these and just didn?t grab the right bottle. Yikes. They did in fact 
give
me Prednisone instead of the Prednisolone. Just from what I had read 
on
the internet as well as responses here about which one is better for 
cats,

I called the vet first thing that next morning. All is well and I am
opening each bottle now before I leave the office. Thanks for writing.

On 9/23/16, 5:24 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"

wrote:



Sheri.

It might help to ease your mind ( in the future as well) to 
familiarize
yourself with the Pill identifier apps available on the net. 
there

are quite a few of them I have used the one at Drugs.com
successfully in the past but I have no idea if it is the best of the
bunch or not  If you google " Pill identification" you will get 
at

least 20 hits.   As prednisone and prednisolone are generic it is
entirely possible that you got the correct drug but perhaps this 
batch

came from a different manufacturer   for eg.   My generic BP meds
look different every one or two scripts likewise for other drugs 
I

have taken more than once

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   3. Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:49:43 -0400
From: Nancy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
Message-ID: <7b8157cd-f409-43e7-b0e9-131f2b382...@aol.com>
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Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
~ Nancy ~


On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:

Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead 
of
the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow 
is

still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and
see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the
hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.

Amani

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars


Amani...

I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not 
really

considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it
becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start 
Epogen(

or
similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young
boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly
anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before 
his

numbers drop too substantially..   Very aggravating that my
current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for
Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to the clinics
director...   Can't afford to keep changing 

Re: [Felvtalk] Wrong Pill??

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thank you Robert for the Pill Identifier idea. They actually had given me
the wrong pill and were very apologetic. She was a tech that dispensed
these and just didn¹t grab the right bottle. Yikes. They did in fact give
me Prednisone instead of the Prednisolone. Just from what I had read on
the internet as well as responses here about which one is better for cats,
I called the vet first thing that next morning. All is well and I am
opening each bottle now before I leave the office. Thanks for writing.

On 9/23/16, 5:24 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"

wrote:

>
>Sheri.
>
>It might help to ease your mind ( in the future as well) to familiarize
>yourself with the Pill identifier apps available on the net. there
>are quite a few of them I have used the one at Drugs.com
>successfully in the past but I have no idea if it is the best of the
>bunch or not  If you google " Pill identification" you will get at
>least 20 hits.   As prednisone and prednisolone are generic it is
>entirely possible that you got the correct drug but perhaps this batch
>came from a different manufacturer   for eg.   My generic BP meds
>look different every one or two scripts likewise for other drugs I
>have taken more than once
>
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>>1. Re: Epogen and similiars (Nancy)
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>>3. Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
>>4. Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone (Margo)
>>5. Re: Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone
>>   (Sherri Godschalk)
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>> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:49:43 -0400
>> From: Nancy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
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>> Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
>> ~ Nancy ~
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead of
>>> the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow is
>>> still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and
>>> see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the
>>> hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: September-20-16 6:53 AM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
>>>
>>>
>>> Amani...
>>>
>>> I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really
>>> considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it
>>> becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen(
>>> or
>>> similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young
>>> boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly
>>> anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before his
>>> numbers drop too substantially..   Very aggravating that my
>>> current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for
>>> Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to the clinics
>>> director...   Can't afford to keep changing Vets want someone with at
>>> least a " little " investment in my guy and who has a sense of his
>>> history...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
>>> wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

[Sherri Godschalk]

Elizabeth, I am so sorry you are having such trouble getting your vet to try
the meds. I can say personally that in my situation with Bogey, it DOES
work. She is feeling so much better. I cannot get my vet to prescribe
Doxycycline though and don¹t feel like I can push the issue. He has a
fragile ego I think and I do not want to jeopardize him prescribing the
Stanzolol to me. It is a dilemma for all of us I think with our vets.

I do so hope you can find someone in your area that is willing to try the
Winstrol/Stanzolol. Changing vets is a nightmare I know and have been down
that road myself. But if your current vet still resists and won¹t even try,
I would be trying to find another. Do you have a teaching hospital in your
area? Purdue University (School of Veterinary Science) here in Indiana I
know goes above and beyond when you take your pet to themŠI know this first
hand as well for another situation I was in with a dog several years ago.

I so wish you luck. Don¹t give up.

Sherri



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McCarty 
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Date:  Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37


I spoke with the vet this evening and she said Winstrol doesn't work and
actually can have negative side effects. I also didn't tell her I had
already started him back on the doxycycline but she said she would prefer
instead he see the regular vet to see what's going on with his eye. Since
the doxycycline his eyes look normal again! I don't sense the same urgency
that I have in this vet, although she is better than the first who just said
to euthanize. Any ideas how to search FeLV specialists? I've Googled for my
area but nothing comes up. I live in San Jose Ca

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438


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> I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well.
> I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken
> with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye
> is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though.
> I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not sure
> about his blood count or what it will look like at our appointment
> scheduled for 10/4.  He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating
> weeks on and weeks off. I'm worried when we take him for the appointment
> they will ask us to euthanize him. Would any of you try another transfusion
> to see if the interferon can work? Or if we get Winstrol to give that a
> shot? Or should we accept that it might be his time to go. I don't want him
> to suffer, and I don't want to put him through another round of this if
> it's inhumane, but I don't want to lose him. Thanks.
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> Hi Elizabeth
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> Only you can say what is right for your little guy. However, I personally
> would try the Winstrol and see what response you get with that. You already
> had a better response with the Doxycycline, so there is still some hope.
> Absolutely steel yourself though, because 

[Felvtalk] Stray taming was/Re: Eye Problems and Prednisolone....

[Margo]

Dear Ardy, Try joining the yahoo feral cat group. The group is undergoing changes, but they should have some really spot-on suggestions for you, these people know their stuff!https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/feral_cats/info              I'm guessing he's not neutered?     Thanks for helping,Margo -Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Sep 27, 2016 10:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone






Speaking of feral cats, we have one that has been coming to our house for about a year to be fed. Sometimes he goes about two weeks without showing up and then I worry about him. Most of the time he comes morning and night for food. But this is one cat I absolutely cannot get close to. I can sometimes put food in the dish with him on our step, and once I thought I could pet him while he was eating – NOT – he bolted. We call him “Wild Thing” and he is friends with our Cally who is also an outdoor stray. Any ideas on making friends with him? I do talk to him when I am outside and I show him that Cally likes to be petted, but he keeps his distance.Ardy  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of SandySent: Monday, September 26, 2016 10:42 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone I agree with Amani on the eye removal. I have a rescue semi-feral kitty cat with only one eye - had to remove her from her outside colony when that was done - she is now the sweetest girl - still semi-feral.  I have used CareCredit for help with my vet bills - I too am on a very fixed income.   I know this will work out - don't give up hopeSandy W  From: "Amani Oakley" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 11:47:06 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone Robert I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing that worked, and the eye was really bad. In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to help with pain and controlling infection: 1.Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;2.Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once before discarding it. Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a compounding pharmacy.  Amani -Original Message-From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPELSent: September-25-16 3:06 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgCc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (Yogi) through  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something causing him pain at least 5 of them..   I put him on high doses of ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would likely have to be given chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a huge corneal abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)... Now I've got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three times a day in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing. This on top of his continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and still with some blood in the stool.   The BIG problem in the moment is that I really can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to do this to him. but.when I tried to back off them before his Uveitis returned. There is a good chance it will return again. Has anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye inflammation that is not a corticosteroid??   I'll be frank   this little guy is using up every single dime and then some of my retirement " disposable" income and I simply won't be able to afford him pretty soon if I don't figure something out. beyond that... it is just too sad seeing him constantly suffering with one malady after another   Winstrol is not going to happen unless I go from Vet to Vet and hope I can find one that will work with me but I honestly don't hold out a lot of hope for this guy He started getting sick very young and it's not gotten any better.  My other guy is holding his own and I haven't had him to the vet more than once for an upper respiratory infection.   I'm not just going to wait for the little guy to pass.  I'm thinking 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 38

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy...
I too had a blind cat and he did rather well... I simply am NOT 
willing to put this guy through 2 major operations so he can be blind 
AND have no eyes and still be susceptible ( due to FeLV) to a host of 
other ills Plus..he would be a sitting duck for his housemate who is 
still acting like a kitten and attacks him several times a day 
Fortunately he doesn't keep it up after Yogi makes it clear that he is 
not interested in playing and runs away and hides but it's still 
stressful for him Honestly it's simply the sheer amount of 
things that have plagued my boy in the 7 short months he has been with 
me URI,Diarrhea, Blood in his stool, weight loss, hair loss, 
constant fever, Uveitis, Corneal Ulcer... It's just too much for 
such a young cat His entire life is medications several times a day 
and hiding from his housemate at most times.
I won't put him down as long as he is still functional and doesn't 
appear to be in too much pain( right now he still has a good appetite 
and still shows curiosity about his environment but. if the time 
comes that he loses his appetite and begins to appear to be quite 
uncomfortable I will put him down simply because it is wholly unlikely 
that this WON"T be the path the remainer of his life will take...I 
won't keep him around just because " I " will miss him...
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:35:38 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and 
Prednisolone

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I had a blind cat (Dodsie) who lived to be 19. Since she already knew 
our house, she adjusted to being blind so well. She walked around 
rooms close to the outer walls, almost touching them. She was able to 
go downstairs to use the litter box and come back up with no problem. 
I of course kept her bed close to the wall so no one would step on 
her. I think we felt sorrier for her than she did...she adjusted so 
well and it really didn't seem to bother her and we knew she was 
totally blind in both eyes. She responded to our voice just like 
before. She was an only cat so that probably helped her feel secure. 
And thankfully when she left us, she just went to sleep one afternoon 
and did not wake up.


Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Amani Oakley

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

Robert

I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would 
be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain 
will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who 
also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing 
that worked, and the eye was really bad.


In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to 
help with pain and controlling infection:


1.	Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and 
has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2.	Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once 
before discarding it.


Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will 
help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a 
compounding pharmacy.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: September-25-16 3:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone


I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
Yogi) through  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something 
causing him pain at least 5 of them..   I put him on high doses of 
ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( 
bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would likely 
have to be given chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 38

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Liz
Personally...I think death is a rather negative side effect of NOT 
trying everything possible I do NOT understand the reluctance of 
Vets to prescribe drugs that they generally do not use if they are not 
offering any viable alternative.. My Yogi, for eg, is going 
blindOne Vet, understandably, didn't want to use prednisolone for 
his very severe uveitis because it has the potential to cause a variety 
of eye problemsOK I understand..BUT she was not offering any 
alternativeit is SO darn frustrating... another vet in the practice 
did prescribe prednisolone and it worked marvelously for 4 months and 
brought him back from near total blindness. Sadly... he developed a 
severe corneal ulcer and ist looking now( since I've had to D/C the 
prednisolone( that the Uveitis is returning along with having a corneal 
ulcer. I could have NOT used the pred... but he would have been in 
terrible pain the entire time AND blind On balance I could not be 
happier that I was able to give him a few months more of vision..  
Now we are really at an impasse. Point is...  a lot of vets are 
quite closed minded and if you have the money shop vets until you find 
one that WILL work with you..ask anyone and everyone that has a FeLV 
cat... or any cat with complicated problems ( people with generally 
healthy cats who tell you they love their vets are legionANY vet can 
easily handle a healthy cat with minor issues occasionally how they 
handle the complicated problem cases is what is important. I know 
the frustration and sadness of trying to get you boy back on track and 
having to battle the damn vet in order to do this just adds another 
level of stress.  I'm sorry for your trouble and wish you both the 
best

Bob
Warwick NY


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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:35:38 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and 
Prednisolone

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I had a blind cat (Dodsie) who lived to be 19. Since she already knew 
our house, she adjusted to being blind so well. She walked around 
rooms close to the outer walls, almost touching them. She was able to 
go downstairs to use the litter box and come back up with no problem. 
I of course kept her bed close to the wall so no one would step on 
her. I think we felt sorrier for her than she did...she adjusted so 
well and it really didn't seem to bother her and we knew she was 
totally blind in both eyes. She responded to our voice just like 
before. She was an only cat so that probably helped her feel secure. 
And thankfully when she left us, she just went to sleep one afternoon 
and did not wake up.


Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Amani Oakley

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

Robert

I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would 
be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain 
will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who 
also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing 
that worked, and the eye was really bad.


In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to 
help with pain and controlling infection:


1.	Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and 
has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2.	Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once 
before discarding it.


Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will 
help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a 
compounding pharmacy.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: September-25-16 3:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and