Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Maira Favela]

Im sorry for both you, michael and your parents. Unfortunately, it's for
the best. At least you know that you and your famiy did everything you
could do for Mikey and that when he passes, he will be surrounded with the
people who love him. :'-(

On Feb 17, 2017 7:19 PM, "Terri Knight"  wrote:

> So my last email I sent a few days ago didn't seem to go through as it
> needed to be moderated due to its size. I attached a pic of the blood test
> results which clearly the system didn't like. This was my email:
>
> Update.
>
> So Michael was first put on Epo a few weeks ago due to the suggestions of
> specialists that my vet contacted, he was not on it for long as the vet
> could see it was not working. I then organized to get Winstrol for him, he
> started it on 1 February but due to his blood count being super low he had
> to have a second transfusion on 3 February to give the Winstrol a chance to
> work. He is still on Doxy as far as I know and cortisone. He visited the
> vet yesterday (14 Feb) with this update: his red blood cells are still
> dropping, but his platelets are up and the vet said he had a bit more
> colour in his mouth and tongue, he has lost a bit more weight and was
> running a slight temperature so his medrol (not sure what that is) was
> upped for 3 days, back to the vet on 17 Feb. So kind of mixed results but
> still not looking good with the red blood cell production.
>
> Unfortunately his latest test results shows a decline again, his red blood
> cells went from 10.42% on Tuesday to 8.18% on Friday and there is nothing
> more that can be done. At his current rate of decline he will reach
> critical levels by Monday.
>
> My parents and I (but mostly my parents since I'm on the other side of the
> world) have to make a heartbreaking decision of when it's time for Mikey.
> The vet says that when he reaches 6% he will be feeling terrible and to add
> to this he has no more energy he just lies down in one spot all the time.
>
> It is with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes that I have accept his fate
> on top of being so far away from him.
>
> Terri
>
>
> On 22 Jan 2017 09:49, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:
>
> I probably can’t attach the actual papers regarding the use of Stanazolol
> (Winstrol) in osteoporosis, but the title of one of the papers is: *Stanozolol
> in postmenopausal osteoporosis: therapeutic efficacy and possible
> mechanisms of action.*
>
>
>
> Here is the abstract of the paper:
>
>
>
> *To assess the efficacy of the anabolic steroid stanozolol in the
> treatment of osteoporosis, a 29-month double-blind study was performed with
> 23 treated and 23 control postmenopausal osteoporotic women. Drug efficacy
> was assessed by serial determinations of total body calcium (TBC--total
> bone mass) by neutron activation analysis, regional bone mass (RBM) by
> single-photon absorptiometry, and by spinal roentgenograms. Total body
> calcium increased 4.4% from baseline values (P less than 0.01) in the
> treated group and remained unchanged in the control group; the difference
> in the change in TBC between the treated and control groups was significant
> (P less than 0.03). The effect of the drug on TBC persisted throughout the
> 29-month period. In contrast to TBC, measurements of RBM indicated no
> significant differences between the treated and placebo groups, suggesting
> a possible differential response to therapy at various skeletal sites. No
> new spinal compression fractures were noted in the treated group (compared
> with three new fractures in the control group). Assessment of serum and
> urine values indicated a decrease in the level of urinary calcium and an
> increase in the level of total urinary cyclic AMP in the treated group.
> These changes were observed even though the level of serum iPTH was
> significantly decreased during the study. An analysis of changes in bone
> biopsy specimens revealed no significant differences between the treated
> and control groups. Seventy-six percent of the treated subjects developed
> SGOT elevations or other side effects from the stanozolol therapy; at no
> time were these effects sufficiently severe to cause termination of
> medication. The data suggest that long-term use of stanozolol increases the
> net total bone mass above pretreatment levels.*
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Terri Knight
>
> *Sent:* January-21-17 1:12 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope
>
>
>
> So an update.
>
>
>
> I had to leave to start working in South Korea without my baby Mike, but I
> left him in my parents capable hands. They have done a great job and
> Michael's vet has been great with doing research and getting new options
> from specialists.
>
>
>
> I spoke to my vet about Amani's advice and he explained what those drugs
> were for and what we were doing already, Michael is in South Africa so we

Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Terri Knight]

So my last email I sent a few days ago didn't seem to go through as it
needed to be moderated due to its size. I attached a pic of the blood test
results which clearly the system didn't like. This was my email:

Update.

So Michael was first put on Epo a few weeks ago due to the suggestions of
specialists that my vet contacted, he was not on it for long as the vet
could see it was not working. I then organized to get Winstrol for him, he
started it on 1 February but due to his blood count being super low he had
to have a second transfusion on 3 February to give the Winstrol a chance to
work. He is still on Doxy as far as I know and cortisone. He visited the
vet yesterday (14 Feb) with this update: his red blood cells are still
dropping, but his platelets are up and the vet said he had a bit more
colour in his mouth and tongue, he has lost a bit more weight and was
running a slight temperature so his medrol (not sure what that is) was
upped for 3 days, back to the vet on 17 Feb. So kind of mixed results but
still not looking good with the red blood cell production.

Unfortunately his latest test results shows a decline again, his red blood
cells went from 10.42% on Tuesday to 8.18% on Friday and there is nothing
more that can be done. At his current rate of decline he will reach
critical levels by Monday.

My parents and I (but mostly my parents since I'm on the other side of the
world) have to make a heartbreaking decision of when it's time for Mikey.
The vet says that when he reaches 6% he will be feeling terrible and to add
to this he has no more energy he just lies down in one spot all the time.

It is with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes that I have accept his fate
on top of being so far away from him.

Terri


On 22 Jan 2017 09:49, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:

I probably can’t attach the actual papers regarding the use of Stanazolol
(Winstrol) in osteoporosis, but the title of one of the papers is: *Stanozolol
in postmenopausal osteoporosis: therapeutic efficacy and possible
mechanisms of action.*



Here is the abstract of the paper:



*To assess the efficacy of the anabolic steroid stanozolol in the treatment
of osteoporosis, a 29-month double-blind study was performed with 23
treated and 23 control postmenopausal osteoporotic women. Drug efficacy was
assessed by serial determinations of total body calcium (TBC--total bone
mass) by neutron activation analysis, regional bone mass (RBM) by
single-photon absorptiometry, and by spinal roentgenograms. Total body
calcium increased 4.4% from baseline values (P less than 0.01) in the
treated group and remained unchanged in the control group; the difference
in the change in TBC between the treated and control groups was significant
(P less than 0.03). The effect of the drug on TBC persisted throughout the
29-month period. In contrast to TBC, measurements of RBM indicated no
significant differences between the treated and placebo groups, suggesting
a possible differential response to therapy at various skeletal sites. No
new spinal compression fractures were noted in the treated group (compared
with three new fractures in the control group). Assessment of serum and
urine values indicated a decrease in the level of urinary calcium and an
increase in the level of total urinary cyclic AMP in the treated group.
These changes were observed even though the level of serum iPTH was
significantly decreased during the study. An analysis of changes in bone
biopsy specimens revealed no significant differences between the treated
and control groups. Seventy-six percent of the treated subjects developed
SGOT elevations or other side effects from the stanozolol therapy; at no
time were these effects sufficiently severe to cause termination of
medication. The data suggest that long-term use of stanozolol increases the
net total bone mass above pretreatment levels.*



Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Terri Knight

*Sent:* January-21-17 1:12 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope



So an update.



I had to leave to start working in South Korea without my baby Mike, but I
left him in my parents capable hands. They have done a great job and
Michael's vet has been great with doing research and getting new options
from specialists.



I spoke to my vet about Amani's advice and he explained what those drugs
were for and what we were doing already, Michael is in South Africa so we
don't always get the same drugs or they have different names.



He was already on a cortisone injection which was a better option than the
tablet form (until he improves), he was more than willing to give Michael
the anabolic steroid but said that it doesn't actually do anything for
production of anything in the bone marrow it is to help with appetite, and
he was already on Baytril which was similar to Doxycycline but without the
common side effect of nausea. He did change him to 

Re: [Felvtalk] confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

[dlgegg]

I hope so too.  I have learned so much from this group, about what and what not 
to worry about, how to treat my babies.  I do not want to loose contact.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> I know how you feel.  This is extremely annoying and I was about to
> bow out of the group too, but I got a very nice letter from James,
> the moderator of the list, and he said this was all automated and it
> wasn't him who kept threatening to drop our membership. None of my
> other 6 cat groups send these automated threats. I hope James will 
> disable this automated system, not us!
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 02-17, Margo wrote:
> > 
> > This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come
> > thru looking like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] confirmation

[Margo]

 It's more likely tat I'll lose it by not answering, because generally 
something with this kind of subject line goes automatically into the trash Not 
sure why this got thru but I'll try to keep an eye out...


-Original Message-
>From: ROBERT CHAPEL 
>Sent: Feb 17, 2017 4:51 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] confirmation
>
>
>Don't let it lapse Margo... Just click on the Confirmation page...
>Something screwy is clearly happening with the email system and the 
>computer just wants
>to know that your email address is correct  Would really like to 
>have you remain on the list
>
>Bob
>
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>wrote:
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>> From: Margo To: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org,
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>>  9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa
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>> This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come thru 
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>>
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>> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:43:27 -0600
>> From: To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] confirm
>>  9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa
>> Message-ID: <20170217114327.S3330.20646.root@pamxwww08-z01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> I am feeling left out, never have gotten one of thee mesages.  Oh 
>> well, the old saying of let sleeping dogs lie should apply here.
>>
>>  Margo  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come thru 
>>> looking like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Feb 17, 2017 10:00 AM
 To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
 Subject: confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

 Your membership in the mailing list Felvtalk has been disabled due 
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 You can also 

Re: [Felvtalk] confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

[Lorrie]

I know how you feel.  This is extremely annoying and I was about to
bow out of the group too, but I got a very nice letter from James,
the moderator of the list, and he said this was all automated and it
wasn't him who kept threatening to drop our membership. None of my
other 6 cat groups send these automated threats. I hope James will 
disable this automated system, not us!

Lorrie

On 02-17, Margo wrote:
> 
> This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come
> thru looking like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] confirmation

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Don't let it lapse Margo... Just click on the Confirmation page...
Something screwy is clearly happening with the email system and the 
computer just wants
to know that your email address is correct  Would really like to 
have you remain on the list


Bob

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
wrote:



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9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa
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This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come thru 
looking like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse


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Sent: Feb 17, 2017 10:00 AM
To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
Subject: confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] confirm
9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa
Message-ID: <20170217114327.S3330.20646.root@pamxwww08-z01>
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I am feeling left out, never have gotten one of thee mesages.  Oh 
well, the old saying of let sleeping dogs lie should apply here.


 Margo  wrote:


This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come thru 
looking like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse


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Subject: confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

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Re: [Felvtalk] confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

[dlgegg]

I am feeling left out, never have gotten one of thee mesages.  Oh well, the old 
saying of let sleeping dogs lie should apply here.

 Margo  wrote: 
> 
> This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come thru looking 
> like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
> >Sent: Feb 17, 2017 10:00 AM
> >To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
> >Subject: confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

[Margo]

This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come thru looking 
like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse

-Original Message-
>From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Feb 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
>Subject: confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa
>
>Your membership in the mailing list Felvtalk has been disabled due to
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