Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..

[dlgegg]

Been there and done that.  You don't know which way to go, afraid if you do 
euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do not want them to 
suffer  I would rather suffer great pain my self.  Right now, Annie is 
recovering from an upper respiratory infection and since she is positive, it 
has me worried.  I asked my vet about Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to 
try it.  Thank you Lord.  She is eating, drinking and although she has lost a 
little weight, seems to be doing well.  Main thing now is she goes about the 
house meaowing all the time. driving me nuts.  She wants me to eight sit with 
her or go to b ed so she can lay on my chest.  I don't know she will do when I 
go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week.  When I went 
in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold with ther claws as 
though trying to force me to stay home.  They are just recovering from that.  
Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in front of me.  
Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my prayers.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to me 
that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can 
develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me 
are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )   
it is that much more painful
I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and 
pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me 
to brush his sides and backafter that he actually ate a little bit 
of baby food off a plate I had to leave for a few hours and I was 
hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest 
of the baby food I left on the plate   I don't know which bothers me 
more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never 
getting my hopes up?...  When I returned home he was quite lethargic and 
had not touched any of  the food...   His gurgling ( which had abated 
considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this 
Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a 
challenge again.  Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " 
may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...  Every day I decide 
to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...  But.. I'm a 
little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty 
discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left...
As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)  I'm actually 
rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was 
turkey baby food   Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the 
side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat   
Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it...   I leave plates of 
anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the 
day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is 
inclined. and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not 
wanting for affection  any time that he is willing to stay near me 
he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...  I am literally 
unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some 
part of it's body Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with 
any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster. 
   I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I 
don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at 
least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog).   So thank you all 
for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the 
little creatures that so many others overlook...

Bob 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..

[Sheri Burbridge]

Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when things go
well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with Jelly
today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are all my
kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals.

I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you checked
Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet compared
to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving Mo
tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just
thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with something
like that too?

I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to work
for Jelly from here!

Sheri

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to me
> that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can
> develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me
> are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )
> it is that much more painful
> I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and
> pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me
> to brush his sides and backafter that he actually ate a little bit
> of baby food off a plate I had to leave for a few hours and I was
> hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest
> of the baby food I left on the plate   I don't know which bothers me
> more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never
> getting my hopes up?...  When I returned home he was quite lethargic and
> had not touched any of  the food...   His gurgling ( which had abated
> considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this
> Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a
> challenge again.  Still... he DID improve for a few hours which "
> may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...  Every day I decide
> to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...  But.. I'm a
> little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty
> discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left...
> As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)  I'm actually
> rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was
> turkey baby food   Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the
> side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat
> Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it...   I leave plates of
> anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the
> day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is
> inclined. and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not
> wanting for affection  any time that he is willing to stay near me
> he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...  I am literally
> unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some
> part of it's body Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with
> any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster.
>I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I
> don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at
> least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog).   So thank you all
> for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the
> little creatures that so many others overlook...
>
> Bob
>
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[Felvtalk] PRAISE JESUS !

[Jennifer Olson]

SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long enough
for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to me 
that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can 
develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me 
are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )   
it is that much more painful
I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and 
pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me 
to brush his sides and backafter that he actually ate a little bit 
of baby food off a plate I had to leave for a few hours and I was 
hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest 
of the baby food I left on the plate   I don't know which bothers me 
more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never 
getting my hopes up?...  When I returned home he was quite lethargic and 
had not touched any of  the food...   His gurgling ( which had abated 
considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this 
Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a 
challenge again.  Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " 
may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...  Every day I decide 
to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...  But.. I'm a 
little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty 
discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left...
As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)  I'm actually 
rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was 
turkey baby food   Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the 
side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat   
Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it...   I leave plates of 
anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the 
day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is 
inclined. and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not 
wanting for affection  any time that he is willing to stay near me 
he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...  I am literally 
unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some 
part of it's body Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with 
any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster. 
   I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I 
don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at 
least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog).   So thank you all 
for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the 
little creatures that so many others overlook...


Bob 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding

[Katherine K.]

I'm sorry to hear about your struggles with Jelly. I've had to syringe feed
my cat on and off at various times over the last decade. He's a willing
patient so I can't imagine how hard it would be with a cat who fights
it. One year ago today we said goodbye to Jazz. He was so strong and
healthy, until one day he wasn't. It's such a tough disease but we're here
for you.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> Bob - it is so painful to hear what you are going through. I am so sorry.
> But Jelly does know you love him. Trust in that.
>
> With respect to the syringe feedings, I usually use a 3 cc syringe. I
> start by just trying to get a full syringe down in one sitting - little by
> little. My feeling is that, though I want to do it little by little, I
> still want to try to get at least 1/2 to 1 cc into the back of the mouth
> each time. That reduces the number of times of having to pry open the mouth
> and get the food in. If you are using baby food, I don’t water it down much
> or at all because the consistency will allow you to put it safely at the
> back of the throat without being concerned that it will trickle down the
> throat and cause choking or liquid in the lungs, etc. I will quickly squirt
> 1/2 to 1 cc at the back of the throat, hold the mouth closed for a few
> seconds and usually this results in swallowing. I can usually get in a full
> syringe this way in a very short period of time, thus minimizing the stress
> on the cat. If the food goes down fairly well, I will gauge if I should try
> a second or a third syringe. I try to do this 2 to 3 times a day, depending
> again on how much I am able to get in at a go. My philosophy is that I
> would rather bother them for a longer period of time each feeding, and try
> to go for 2 or 3 syringes, because this results in less numbers of times to
> harass them over the course of the day.
>
> With respect to the Winstrol and Prednisolone, these will not just help
> regarding the anemia but may assist in drawing away fluid from the lungs.
> Prednisone helps deal with inflammation.
>
> I know you are doing your best for Jelly and we all know what you are
> going through.
>
> Amani
>
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> ROBERT CHAPEL
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding
>
> For folks who have Syringe Fed cats...
> How much do you " force" at each feeding when a cat shows little interest
> in even swallowing that which you manage to get into his mouth...   Jelly
> fights it tooth and nail...   I am WAY behind in his caloric needs because
> he fights so vehemently now about taking meds or being fed that I feel that
> it is hurting more than helping   I was using AD with High Density
> calorie paste but he doesn't like it at ALL so I am now using bits of baby
> food and alternating with KMR Kitten Milk and literally forcing him to
> swallow a couple of oz's...which is also far too little..  He still
> drinks water on his own and is urinating a large amount... for all I know
> at this point his Kidneys could be shutting down
>
> He is  lethargic enough at this point that I am 75% sure that I will put
> him down before the weekend is out...  If he were just battling anemia I'd
> have more hope for the Win/Pred/Doxy combo but with the tumor I'm feeling I
> might not be doing him any favors Admittedly... it was only a couple of
> months back that I watched my other little boy fade away at home over the
> course of a couple of months but HE was eating at least Mostly... I
> don't think " I " can take much more of watching my lovely boy die... Every
> day I'm here living my life around trying to get him to eat.. watching that
> he doesn't eat cement or other detritus ( Pica r/t anemia) putting food in
> a thousand places so that if he IS inclined at one moment TO eat there will
> be something near at hand TO eat and getting more and more depressed with
> each passing day at the lack of response.  This damnable disease!!!   6
> short weeks ago he passed his wellness exam with flying colors  They
> can be claimed in a heartbeat.   I don't know that I will take in
> another FeLV cat unless I can find a damn vet that will work WITH ME and
> give a dying cat a fighting chance...  I can't take this amount of
> sadness again for at least several months...
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:19:39 +
> > From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re:
> > [Felvtalk] New FELV mom
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> > I've struggled with Mo since he came home, literally, the only thing
> > he will eat on his own is the Temptations treats. I count them so I
> > know he's gotten more than his basic needs every day but he's never
> > bowled us over with his appetite, even on 

Re: [Felvtalk] Vi, Mo ... and Jelly's decline and force feeding

[Sheri Burbridge]

Bob, my heart goes out to you and little Jelly. I'm so sorry you are both
suffering so much. Whatever the outcome, Jelly has been blessed to have you
in his life and it sounds like you will have many good memories of your
time together (even  if it's bittersweet at first).

I hope you are able to spend some time with Jelly and find some peace with
the situation. It's so unfair that they can go downhill so fast. You are
both in my thoughts.

Sheri

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017, 4:36 PM ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

> Hi Sheri...
>
> You are SO right about not knowing when one is doing right by them...
> Jelly is still alive despite refusing to eat anything voluntarily.  He
> still drinks enough water and Urinates more than usual...   Perhaps I'm
> being selfish keeping him alive but I hope from day to day that every
> day I have him on Winstrol Doxy and Pred  is one day more that _
> something_ positive might happen ( though I am worried about the effects
> of food deprivation along with the Liver enzyme problems associated with
> Winstrol...  But...  it's a race against time anyway and as long as I am
> not hurting him more  ( I'd be putting him down otherwise)
> Still... I just DON'T know if I'm being fair to him... He doesn't appear
> to be in abject discomfort but is certainly not " enjoying" life in any
> way...   ( though he sometimes appears to enjoy being groomed)... Mostly
> it is simply breaking my heart several times a day and reducing me to
> inconsolable tears as I watch this formerly lively loving sociable
> beautiful 1.5 yr old cat unable to run jump play or eat and I wonder 50
> times a day if I should simply put him down for my own sake as WELL as
> his  The grief of having him gone will be more intense but the grief
> of seeing him in decline daily ( particularly days like today when I
> have to be home to do a lot of paperwork related matters and he's in
> view every minute) might well be the larger pain..   I'd prefer for
> him to die at home but I don't want to make him suffer just SO he can
> die at home   I'm sure all of us have had this " conversation " with
> out infirm animals...   Laying next to them and asking them " Should I
> help you along NOW buddy" ??  Wishing with ALL my heart that he could
> give me the answer.   If he were in obvious discomfort I wouldn't
> hesitate a moment but cats hide their discomfort...  He was hiding out
> earlier in the process but right now he is laying on the computer simply
> sleeping  He will likely get up later and go to his litter box and
> then go elsewhere and lay down and sleep... He'll drink some water...
> sniff at whatever food I have out for him, not eat it... and go to sleep
> again  The only sign of distress I see/hear is his breathing rate is
> elevated and he has fluid in his trachea and down possibly into the
> lungs ( though not noticed on original Xray)...
> My heart goes out to you and little mo... perhaps a bit moreso now
> because I had a little guy who started at a disadvantage and never
> recovered  He and Jelly were fast friends for the first couple of
> months I had him but he rapidly developed complications ( mostly with
> his eyes ) and soon after was in much pain and unable to play any
> longer...I can't go on with this right now.   I am just beside
> myself that I am losing both of my boys in little over a year from the
> time I adopted them.I honestly want to help FeLV cats but I
> don't know if I can stand the sadness of going through this again unless
> I start living with other people who have an investment in ill cats so I
> can " share the grief " and care.   I live alone and life is not
> happy for a variety of reasons...  my cats were the bright spot in my
> day   but also a impediment to my being able to get away to do what
> I needed to do for ME to stay involved socially..Another issue for
> another time...  need to ask the group in a separate note about force
> feeding...
>
> Bob
>
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