Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Sandy]

thanks for the clarification 

- Original Message -

From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:19:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 



This is what our vet told us last week. When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, 
we took our four other cats in. They were all fine except one, Blossom. She is 
16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet. 
She is FIV! So not a good month for our cats. I am using lycine in all their 
water dishes. 



Marilyn 
Destiny FeLV and sinus infection 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Shelley Theye 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 




Hi Sandy, 





I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of. It is no 
longer on the market. 


Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test. 





Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at 
least that I have ever heard. 








Shelley 


























On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy < swacht1...@comcast.net > wrote: 





Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and 
with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to 
retest?? 





Thank you, 





Sandy W 



- Original Message -



From: "Amani Oakley" < aoak...@oakleylegal.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Marilyn 





Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s 
Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of 
Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very 
serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood 
transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful 
that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against 
this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. 





Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours 





Prednisolone: 2.5 mg every 12 hours 





Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours 





Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including 
haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the 
haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are 
concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., 
and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 
hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be 
enough. 





Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you 
don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a 
month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well 
the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the 
results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be 
modified if necessary. 





If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass 
well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before 
meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase 
peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. 





From: Felvtalk [ mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of 
Sandy 
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; thyme2s...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of 
doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your 
kitty on this ASAP. 


It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test 
positive for FeLV - a bummer. 





Sandy W 






From: "Pam Doore" < thyme2s...@gmail.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus 
on top of the FeLu. 


There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to 
all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the 
name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. 





What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? 








~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @  



Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick 








On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < mari...@marilynlitt.com > 
wrote: 






Has anyone used these for 

Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone

[Margo]

Robert, I wouldn't worry about the pred. Cats are much more tolerant of it than 
dogs or humans, and I've had cats on it for years.

It's part of some rescue protocols for cancers, so I'd say go for it.

Wishing Gilbert the best...

Margo


-Original Message-
>From: ROBERT CHAPEL 
>Sent: Jun 19, 2017 1:51 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone
>
>Lorrie..
>Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor...  I'm giving him 5mg 
>of Prednisolone via Tablet
>and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a  price).  
>Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in 
>syringe to try Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have 
>to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain.  This shelter 
>is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going 
>to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change.. There are 
>other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation...
>Hoping that the  pred keeps helping for a while...
>
>
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>>5. Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt)
>>6. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Pam Doore)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:43:56 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert
>> Message-ID: <6f88c64d.a4f7c.15c9ee83388.webtop...@optonline.net>
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>>
>>
>> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds? I was hoping there 
>> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
>> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
>> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got 
>> them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
>> helpingHOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
>> used larger doses than 5mg BID..
>> This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
>> never knows? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his 
>> other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want 
>> him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended 
>> up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? 
>> I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and 
>> found it very hard to obtain definitive information? Probably need 
>> to go to original Vet Sources? Sure hope kitties have natural 
>> endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard 
>> to find stuff that will help their pain
>> BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
>> REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
>> He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and 
>> climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the 
>> drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk 
>> essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( 
>> which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in 
>> obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert
>> Message-ID: <20170613065738.9WI82.469.root@pamxwww07-z01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause 
>> another.  It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least 
>> bad.  Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's 
>> genetic code.  There are unwanted edits which can be harmful.  To make 
>> a decision for our babies, is hard.  If I had been able to stop 
>> Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to 
>> her.  It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain.  They 

Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Marilyn Knapp Litt]

This is what our vet told us last week.  When we found out our Destiny had 
FeLV, we took our four other cats in.  They were all fine except one, Blossom.  
She is 16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and 
diet.  She is FIV!  So not a good month for our cats.  I am using lycine in all 
their water dishes.

 

Marilyn
Destiny FeLV and sinus infection

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Shelley Theye
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Hi Sandy,

 

I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of.  It is no 
longer on the market.

Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test.

 

Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at 
least that I have ever heard.

 

 

Shelley 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy  > wrote:

 

Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and 
with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to 
retest??  

 

Thank you,

 

Sandy W

 

  _  

From: "Amani Oakley"  >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Marilyn

 

Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s 
Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of 
Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very 
serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood 
transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful 
that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against 
this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste.

 

Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours

 

Prednisolone:2.5 mg every 12 hours

 

Winstrol:   1-2 mg every 12 hours

 

Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including 
haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the 
haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are 
concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., 
and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 
hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be 
enough.

 

Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you 
don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a 
month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well 
the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the 
results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be 
modified if necessary. 

 

If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass 
well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before 
meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase 
peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  ; 
thyme2s...@gmail.com  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists of 
doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to get 
your kitty on this ASAP.

It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test 
positive for FeLV - a bummer. 

 

Sandy W

 

  _  

From: "Pam Doore"  >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

 

Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes 
virus on top of the FeLu.  

There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to 
all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the 
name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.  

 

What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?




 

~~@~@~@~@~@


Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick

 

 

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt  

Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Pam Doore]

That is true for FIV not FeLv :).
On Jun 19, 2017 5:25 PM, "Margo"  wrote:

> "It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may
> test positive for FeLV - a bummer. "
>
> No. That's FIV.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sandy
> Sent: Jun 18, 2017 8:44 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, thyme2s...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>
> Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists
> of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to
> get your kitty on this ASAP.
> It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may
> test positive for FeLV - a bummer.
>
> Sandy W
>
> --
> *From: *"Pam Doore" 
> *To: *felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>
> Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes
> virus on top of the FeLu.
> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives
> to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what
> the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.
>
> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
>
>
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <
> mari...@marilynlitt.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>>
>>
>>
>> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
>> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating
>> her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
>> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
>> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
>> effective.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
>> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
>> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
>> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Margo]

"It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. "No. That's FIV.-Original Message-
From: Sandy 
Sent: Jun 18, 2017 8:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, thyme2s...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP.It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. Sandy WFrom: "Pam Doore" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline AntioxidantHi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu.  There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.  What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?~~@~@~@~@~@Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. PatrickOn Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote:Has anyone used these for FeLV? My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.  She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is effective. I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. Thank you!  ~Marilyn Knapp Litt ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Lorrie..
Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor...  I'm giving him 5mg 
of Prednisolone via Tablet
and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a  price).  
Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in 
syringe to try Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have 
to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain.  This shelter 
is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going 
to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change.. There are 
other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation...

Hoping that the  pred keeps helping for a while...


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   4. Re: Pain Meds for Gilbert (Lorrie)
   5. Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt)
   6. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Pam Doore)


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:43:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert
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Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds? I was hoping there 
was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got 
them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
helpingHOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
used larger doses than 5mg BID..
This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
never knows? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his 
other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want 
him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended 
up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? 
I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and 
found it very hard to obtain definitive information? Probably need 
to go to original Vet Sources? Sure hope kitties have natural 
endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard 
to find stuff that will help their pain
BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and 
climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the 
drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk 
essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( 
which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in 
obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500
From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert
Message-ID: <20170613065738.9WI82.469.root@pamxwww07-z01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause 
another.  It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least 
bad.  Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's 
genetic code.  There are unwanted edits which can be harmful.  To make 
a decision for our babies, is hard.  If I had been able to stop 
Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to 
her.  It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain.  They dissolve 
bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it.  I found 
that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees.  My blood sugar 
shot up to 700 for about 3 days.  I now take hyaleuronic injections 
that do not affect my blood sugar.  In fact they don't seem to have 
any side effects.  They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 
months so the cost comes out the same.  I just wish they could talk so 
they could tell us when and where  they hurt, but their instinct is to 
hide pain so predators will not know they are  disabled in any way.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:




Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds? I 

Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[kat]

Yes, cats can take collodial silver.  Both topically & internally.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

I am wondering if colloidial silver would help. I am soon going in for heart surgery and am taking mine with me to super bug infections. Can cats take this? Just a thought.

 Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote:
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>
>
>
> My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find
> she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her
> and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
> truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is
> effective.
>
>
>
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>
>
>
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info
> on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about
> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were
> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>
>
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Kelley S]

No.   A cat vaccinated for FIV can test pos.   Not FELV.

On Sunday, June 18, 2017, Sandy  wrote:

> Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists
> of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to
> get your kitty on this ASAP.
> It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may
> test positive for FeLV - a bummer.
>
> Sandy W
>
> --
> *From: *"Pam Doore"  >
> *To: *felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>
> Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes
> virus on top of the FeLu.
> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives
> to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what
> the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.
>
> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
>
>
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <
> mari...@marilynlitt.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>>
>>
>>
>> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
>> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating
>> her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
>> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
>> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
>> effective.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
>> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
>> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
>> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Shelley Theye]

Hi Sandy,

I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of.  It is no 
longer on the market.
Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test.

Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at 
least that I have ever heard.


Shelley 








> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - 
> and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to 
> retest??  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Sandy W
> 
> From: "Amani Oakley" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
> 
> Marilyn
>  
> Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s 
> Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of 
> Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very 
> serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood 
> transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful 
> that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant 
> against this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste.
>  
> Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours
>  
> Prednisolone:2.5 mg every 12 hours
>  
> Winstrol:   1-2 mg every 12 hours
>  
> Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including 
> haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the 
> haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are 
> concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, 
> etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol 
> every 12 hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours 
> should be enough.
>  
> Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you 
> don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a 
> month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how 
> well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess 
> the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can 
> be modified if necessary.
>  
> If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to 
> pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide 
> before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase 
> peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract.   
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
> Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; thyme2s...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>  
> Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists of 
> doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to get 
> your kitty on this ASAP.
> It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test 
> positive for FeLV - a bummer. 
>  
> Sandy W
>  
> From: "Pam Doore" >
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>  
> Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes 
> virus on top of the FeLu. 
> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to 
> all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the 
> name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV. 
>  
> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
> 
>  
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
> 
> Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, 
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick
>  
>  
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt  > wrote:
> 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>  
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find she 
> had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her and 
> the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth.  I 
> am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.  She is on an 
> antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is effective.
>  
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>  
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info 
> on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about boosting 
> her immune system and fighting this 

Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[dlgegg]

I am wondering if colloidial silver would help.  I am soon going in for heart 
surgery and am taking mine with me to super bug infections.  Can cats take 
this?  Just a thought.

 Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her
> and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
> effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info
> on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> 
>  
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[Sandy]

Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and 
with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to 
retest?? 

Thank you, 

Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: "Amani Oakley"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 



Marilyn 



Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s 
Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of 
Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very 
serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood 
transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful 
that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against 
this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. 



Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours 



Prednisolone: 2.5 mg every 12 hours 



Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours 



Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including 
haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the 
haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are 
concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., 
and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 
hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be 
enough. 



Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you 
don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a 
month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset. You need to assess how 
well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess 
the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can 
be modified if necessary. 



If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass 
well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before 
meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase 
peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy 
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; thyme2s...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of 
doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your 
kitty on this ASAP. 


It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test 
positive for FeLV - a bummer. 





Sandy W 



- Original Message -



From: "Pam Doore" < thyme2s...@gmail.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant 





Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus 
on top of the FeLu. 


There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to 
all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the 
name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. 





What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? 








~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @  



Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick 








On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < mari...@marilynlitt.com > 
wrote: 



Has anyone used these for FeLV? 



My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had 
FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the 
infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am 
feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an 
antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. 



I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. 



I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on 
using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her 
immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her 
this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. 



Thank you! 





~Marilyn Knapp Litt 





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