Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Patricia,

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

I don’t know if erythropoietin can be used with Stanozolol, but I don’t see why 
not.

However, I am not sure that erythropoetin will help. Not to bore everyone silly 
again with this explanation, but erythropoietin stimulates the bone marrow to 
make more red cells. However, the bone marrow which is damaged by the FeLV 
virus, cannot respond to the signals being sent by the erythropoietin and is 
unable to make more red cells. The Stanozolol works on the bone marrow itself 
to produce new bone marrow cells, and thus, enable the new cells to produce red 
cells again. So no, the Stanozolol doesn’t increase erythropoietin. If it is 
going to work, it seems to work directly on the bone marrow, and especially on 
the progenitor cells in the bone marrow which produce the red cells.

Are you giving the stanozolol with the Doxycycline and prednisone?

If it were me, I would proceed with the blood transfusion, and double up the 
Stanozolol. I don’t know what level you’re giving. 1 mg twice daily or 2 mg 
twice daily. Try increasing the strength. Athletes take stanozolol at 1000X 
recommended dosing and rarely suffer any side effects.

The other thing to be aware of in interpreting your blood results is this. The 
life span of red cells is about 45 days if I remember correctly, so you will 
have a falling off of the haematocrit as the red cells from the last 
transfusion die off. Look to see what the reticulocyte count is, and what it is 
now compared to a previous blood result. However, even that result may also be 
affected by the transfusion, so I am not sure if you would see the true numbers 
or see the transfused cells instead. In other words, the dropping of the 
haematocrit may be more about the natural dying off of the last batch of red 
cells, rather than whether there is any effect yet of the meds. Nonetheless, to 
be on the safe side, if you are worried, go ahead with the transfusion.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Patricia Oliveira]

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:

> Patricia,
>
>
>
> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol
> is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a
> boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
>
>
>
> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
>
>
>
> I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
> Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
>
>
>
> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> stanozolol?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which
> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
>
> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness
> or neurological. Already had a seizure.
>
> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +
>
> She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include
> prednisolone.
>
> However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I
> could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received
> prednisolone, I 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Lorraine Johnston]

Patricia,

 

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi,

 

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

 

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her. 

 

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

 

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

 

Thank you,

 

Patrícia

 

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley  
escreveu:

Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

 

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

 

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi, Amani!

 

Thanky you very much for you email!

 

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. 

 

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

 

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

 

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

 

This is Nori: https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html 

 

 

 

Thank you!

 

Patrícia

 

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley  
escreveu:

Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi from Brazil,

 

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.


She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.

She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure. 

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

 

Patrícia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Patricia Oliveira]

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which
> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
>
> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness
> or neurological. Already had a seizure.
>
> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +
>
> She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include
> prednisolone.
>
> However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I
> could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received
> prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it.
>
> The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.
>
> Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already
> receiving?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
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