Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV...update...

[Amani Oakley]

Jason,

With leukemia, you want to keep an eye on the haematology levels. If the red 
cell count/haemoglobin/haematocrit levels remain okay, then staying on whatever 
you are currently using is okay. But keep a close watch. If those levels start 
to dip, or the reticulocyte levels go way down, then you should consider the 
Winstrol. Prednisone/Depomedrol on their own will not reverse those downward 
trends in blood cells – at least that was my experience. I found that the 
prednisone assisted with the Winstrol, but didn’t do anything to pull up those 
blood results when they were way down.

If your cat is responding well to the current therapy, then it makes sense to 
stick with it, but I would also ensure that haematology panels are also run, so 
that you can change his medication BEFORE the symptoms show of up a significant 
drop in red cells, white cells, platelets and/or reticulocytes.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of JASON VOGT
Sent: January 26, 2022 3:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with 
FeLV...update...

Hello everyone,

This morning I took Kitty to my Veterinarian because he was not eating and 
looked like panting breathing beginning to start again, too.  Exactly one month 
ago, my Veterinarian gave him IV fluids and a shot of Convenia (the injectable 
antibiotic).  He did very well for the last 30 days.  Eating, drinking, 
playing, sleeping - he seemed like his old self again.  I am happy about that.

 I think twice this week though, in the morning just when I got out of bed, I 
heard him moaning in pain.  I just know figured out that was the noise he was 
making (a moaning sound because he was in pain).  I noticed a small sore on his 
nose also.

The Veterinarian talked to me about prednisone.  She gave him more SubQ (IV) 
fluids, another shot of Convenia, and Depomedrol 20mg (20cc shot I think).  He 
weighs around 10.5 pounds. I just did some internet research on Depomedrol and 
it seems just about the same as Prednisone (possibly a different form of it).  
It said it is an anti inflamatory and also a drug for leukemia, cancer, 
arthritis, etc.

He is home now.  He ate some kibble when he got home and is taking a nap now.

Comments and suggestions welcome again,

Thank you very much,

Jason




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Re: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV......

[Amani Oakley]

No problem, Jason. Please let us know how things work out.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of JASON VOGT
Sent: January 2, 2022 10:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV..

Thank you very much for your detailed response Amani.  You obviously have a lot 
of experience treating both FeLV+ cats and kittens.  He (Kitty) will be 12 
years old this coming Spring or Summer.  Thank you also Kat.  I remember taking 
him (Kitty) in from outside when he was one year old.  I am positive the Vet. 
did a FeLV test on him then and it was negative at one year old.  It surprised 
me him (Kitty) being diagnosed this old with FeLV.

I had an 11.50 year old cat (Mork - indoor only who I got from a shelter as a 
kitten) who died in 2014 of FIP (also diagnosed with it very late at age 11).  
I am not sure how these 2 older cats of mine contracted these diseases and how 
Mork died from it late in life.  Does an older cat's immune system get much 
weaker as they age?

The 11.50 female  indoor only cat (Snow White) appears just fine.  I took her 
in from outside the same time as Kitty at one year old.  She tested negative 
for FeLV at one year old also.

Thank you very much again,

Jason
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Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV....

[Amani Oakley]

Oh, thank you. I somehow read it as two cats, one who was 11 and one who is ½ a 
year old.

Sorry about that Jason, but I agree with Kat. The Winstrol works no matter the 
age.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of kat
Sent: January 1, 2022 7:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was 
diagnosed with FeLV

Amani,

I think Jason said Kitty is 11.5 years old...  I agree with you about the 
Winstrol protocol, no matter what the age.

Kat (Mew Jersey)


Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 at 4:08 PM
From: "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" 
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was 
diagnosed with FeLV
Jason, if your baby is only ½ a year old, he may have been born with it or had 
it before you took him in.

I have written many times on this chatline about my own success with Zander, my 
baby who had FeLV and we were told there was no hope and to just put him down.

What worked for us was Winstrol (Stanozolol), an anabolic steroid – the “Ben 
Johnson steroid”. Unfortunately, because many many athletes use Stanozolol to 
improve their performance and to heal injuries faster, the scientific community 
has labeled this steroid as “evil”, and stupidly ignore it and will not use it 
on either humans or animals. It used to be regularly given to cats, because 
cats in particular, really respond well to it. There was a really 
poorly-researched vet paper years ago, which suggested Winstrol causes liver 
failure in cats, so vets just abruptly stopped using it. In my case, after 
trying EVERYTHING including interferon and LCTI. We tried each for 4 to 6 
months, while monitoring blood work every week. There was no change or 
improvement in red cell count, haematocrit, reticulocytes, etc. Here is my 
original post on this chatline, from 2015, and I have repeated this advice many 
times over the years. Several people have reported success using “Zander’s 
protocol” which I describe below:


I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died 
from something else that I don’t believe was related to the leukemia. When the 
vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia 
(and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given 
him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great 
degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the 
cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat.


This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were 
performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being 
put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very 
quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the 
lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six 
months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to 
check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began 
to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better. After about a year, I 
called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us 
there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise 
- and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that 
Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage 
associated with it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My 
cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even 
with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our 
experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would 
drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. 
We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial 
crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC 
came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back 
on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up.

The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to 
eat when he was so very sick.

I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when 
he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a 
maintenance dose. I would often pair it with prednisone as well (5 mg a day) 
and Doxycycline (50 mg a day).

I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a 
science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory 
medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this 
knowledge. I

Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV....

[Amani Oakley]

Jason, if your baby is only ½ a year old, he may have been born with it or had 
it before you took him in.

I have written many times on this chatline about my own success with Zander, my 
baby who had FeLV and we were told there was no hope and to just put him down.

What worked for us was Winstrol (Stanozolol), an anabolic steroid – the “Ben 
Johnson steroid”. Unfortunately, because many many athletes use Stanozolol to 
improve their performance and to heal injuries faster, the scientific community 
has labeled this steroid as “evil”, and stupidly ignore it and will not use it 
on either humans or animals. It used to be regularly given to cats, because 
cats in particular, really respond well to it. There was a really 
poorly-researched vet paper years ago, which suggested Winstrol causes liver 
failure in cats, so vets just abruptly stopped using it. In my case, after 
trying EVERYTHING including interferon and LCTI. We tried each for 4 to 6 
months, while monitoring blood work every week. There was no change or 
improvement in red cell count, haematocrit, reticulocytes, etc. Here is my 
original post on this chatline, from 2015, and I have repeated this advice many 
times over the years. Several people have reported success using “Zander’s 
protocol” which I describe below:


I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died 
from something else that I don’t believe was related to the leukemia. When the 
vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia 
(and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given 
him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great 
degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the 
cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat.


This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were 
performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being 
put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very 
quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the 
lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six 
months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to 
check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began 
to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better. After about a year, I 
called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us 
there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise 
- and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that 
Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage 
associated with it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My 
cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even 
with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our 
experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would 
drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. 
We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial 
crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC 
came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back 
on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up.

The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to 
eat when he was so very sick.

I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when 
he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a 
maintenance dose. I would often pair it with prednisone as well (5 mg a day) 
and Doxycycline (50 mg a day).

I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a 
science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory 
medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this 
knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other 
situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that it 
has come through more often than not.

I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and medical 
community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in circumstances 
where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other options and their 
kitten or cat will die.

I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of 
veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the 
association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific community 
as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising drug. This 
saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean really - does it 
make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY 

Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv

[Amani Oakley]

Yep - still plugging along. Good to hear you're okay too.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: May 18, 2021 6:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv

Hello Amani,

It has been a while.  Glad to know you survived the "pandemic".  All is well 
here despite having 2 FELV positive cats.  It did not spread to others.  I lost 
one Homey to Hyper thyroid at age 13.  Everyone else has passed from old age at 
18+.
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv

Pamela

First, I have kept FeLV positive cats with other cats and never ever had a 
transfer of the infection. Like you, we didn’t know and the kitten we took in 
only tested positive when he was a little under a year old. He had been mixing 
with our other cats for at least ten months - same food and water bowls, 
sleeping together, etc. I think your primary vet is correct. Keep Toby.

With respect to the FeLV, treat with Winstrol + Doxycycline + Prednisone. Our 
FeLV cat lived to almost 8 years old, and died from a heart condition. The 
heart condition might have been related to the damage done by the virus, or 
not, but in any event, he greatly outlived all predictions. We were repeatedly 
told to put him down when he was one, and I just refused.

Your cat doesn’t seem to be in crisis and it might be best to start him now on 
1 mg Winstrol (stanozolol) twice a day plus 50 mg of Doxycycline a day. Our cat 
was in crisis and almost died when I stumbled upon the effectiveness of 
Winstrol to help the body produce red cells and stimulate the bone marrow, so 
after trying just about everything else I could find on the Internet, with 
nothing working, and after giving him 2 blood transfusions, I had run out of 
options. I tried Stanozolol, which I happened to have at home for another cat, 
thinking at best it would make him feel better and increase his appetite. I was 
absolutely shocked when his hematocrit immediately (and I mean within days) 
began to climb for the first time in a year of ordeals. We were testing him 
weekly so I knew exactly what his haematology was showing before the Stanozolol 
and what happened to his red cells, reticulocytes, and platelets (all of which 
were very very very low) after we gave him the Winstrol.

You will have a devil of a time getting Winstrol and your vets are likely not 
going to believe you. I hope you have a friendly vet who can assist.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Pamela 
Olkowski
Sent: May 18, 2021 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv

I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we 
have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any 
comments are greatly appreciated 

After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 
18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 
months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested 
negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was 
neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed

When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph 
nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was 
fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA.  
We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby  has the antibody 
for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have 
decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have 
decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other 
medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old

We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our 
other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for 
over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low.  We kept 
both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water 

Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together?  Since Toby IFA was 
positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know 
if he will decline quickly?  The internal medicine specialist was very 
pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis.  Toby’s mother 
and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a 
miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ?

Thank you so much 

 

Pamela Olkowski


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Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv

[Amani Oakley]

Pamela

First, I have kept FeLV positive cats with other cats and never ever had a 
transfer of the infection. Like you, we didn’t know and the kitten we took in 
only tested positive when he was a little under a year old. He had been mixing 
with our other cats for at least ten months - same food and water bowls, 
sleeping together, etc. I think your primary vet is correct. Keep Toby.

With respect to the FeLV, treat with Winstrol + Doxycycline + Prednisone. Our 
FeLV cat lived to almost 8 years old, and died from a heart condition. The 
heart condition might have been related to the damage done by the virus, or 
not, but in any event, he greatly outlived all predictions. We were repeatedly 
told to put him down when he was one, and I just refused.

Your cat doesn’t seem to be in crisis and it might be best to start him now on 
1 mg Winstrol (stanozolol) twice a day plus 50 mg of Doxycycline a day. Our cat 
was in crisis and almost died when I stumbled upon the effectiveness of 
Winstrol to help the body produce red cells and stimulate the bone marrow, so 
after trying just about everything else I could find on the Internet, with 
nothing working, and after giving him 2 blood transfusions, I had run out of 
options. I tried Stanozolol, which I happened to have at home for another cat, 
thinking at best it would make him feel better and increase his appetite. I was 
absolutely shocked when his hematocrit immediately (and I mean within days) 
began to climb for the first time in a year of ordeals. We were testing him 
weekly so I knew exactly what his haematology was showing before the Stanozolol 
and what happened to his red cells, reticulocytes, and platelets (all of which 
were very very very low) after we gave him the Winstrol.

You will have a devil of a time getting Winstrol and your vets are likely not 
going to believe you. I hope you have a friendly vet who can assist.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Pamela 
Olkowski
Sent: May 18, 2021 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv

I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we 
have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any 
comments are greatly appreciated 

After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 
18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 
months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested 
negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was 
neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed

When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph 
nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was 
fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA.  
We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby  has the antibody 
for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have 
decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have 
decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other 
medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old

We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our 
other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for 
over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low.  We kept 
both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water 

Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together?  Since Toby IFA was 
positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know 
if he will decline quickly?  The internal medicine specialist was very 
pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis.  Toby’s mother 
and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a 
miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ?

Thank you so much 

 

Pamela Olkowski


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Jennifer – open mouth breathing and pain are also signs of severe anemia. I am 
sure that Maribel knows her cat and the situation much better than we can ever 
know it. I think it is important to encourage and support each other when we 
are trying to save a cat. I know that I have saved far far far too many cats 
who had been labeled as dying, and not save-able.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Jennifer 
Minnich
Sent: August 6, 2020 3:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Dear Maribel,   for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can 
be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing. IF she is in the 
actual dying process, in any final stages of dying,  you are doing more harm 
than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly 
when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of 
respiratory distress) and pain (moaning).  When a body is dying,  it naturally 
stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice 
experience.Please try to talk to your vets,  or research ‘stages of dying’  
in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of 
dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness ( btw, 
brighthaven.org<http://brighthaven.org> is an excellent resource for this 
information and guidance that I have referenced — they also have amazingly 
compassionate consultations if you need guidance of what to look for...)...
Wishing you and Amy love and comfort...
Jennifer


On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, 
"dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" 
mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote:
have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging.   i was syringe 
feeding my 12 year old Homey.  had to cover my lap .  i mixed the canned food 
with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe.  then broke my right arm and 
had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her 
alive.  she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg.  also after started 
giving treats as reward for taking pill.  loves the treats but not her food.  
have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go.  going to try your method 
of balling up the food.  may be neater and get more down her.

- Original Message -
From: Maribel Piloto mailto:pilo...@bellsouth.net>>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi



On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq f

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Do you mean you ordered the Winstrol already from Wedgewood, or are you 
referring to pain medication being ordered?

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 11:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I ordered it from Wedgewood already.   Problem is that even paying $30 for 
overnighting it they say it won’t get to me until Monday.   They need time to 
compound it and then there’s the weekend.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:

Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered 
the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful.

Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? 
If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will 
put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet 
can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain 
medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just 
be rubbed into the inside of the ears.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
>
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour.
>
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered 
the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful.

Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? 
If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will 
put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet 
can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain 
medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just 
be rubbed into the inside of the ears.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
>
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour.
>
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
>
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My cat Amy is dying 
> from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 17 after the 
> transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I ordered the 
> drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.
>
> Maribel
>
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
>
> ___

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Maribel

I went back at looked at the old emails I have archived, and found that one of 
the online vet pharmacies recommended by people was Diamondback Pharmacy in 
Arizona. People were able to get Winstrol in liquid form from them. In looking 
Diamondback up on the internet, I see another one, Wedgewood Pharmacy, which 
has testimonials from different placed in the U.S. It may be related to 
Diamondback. I also see VetRx, an online compounding pharmacy.

I just don’t understand why your vet isn’t helping you with this?

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
>
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour.
>
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
>
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My cat Amy is dying 
> from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 17 after the 
> transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I ordered the 
> drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.
>
> Maribel
>
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
>
> ___

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.  

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel 

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
> 
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour. 
> 
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is 
> dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after 
> the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered 
> the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
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> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They may 
be able to order it sooner.

However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
behaviour. 

Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an option.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is dying 
from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after the 
transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered the drug 
from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell 
me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.

Maribel 

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap

[Amani Oakley]

Dianne, I don’t really know about the lymphoma. I can say that I have used the 
Winstrol in many different situations in cats. I have found it to be 
surprisingly and unexpectedly effective for a wide variety of conditions. I 
have used it in a cat with a nasal adenocarcinoma, and the effect was to keep 
the tumour shrunken for an extended period of time after radiation therapy. I 
am currently using it on a cat with a suspected spinal tumour which has a 
significant neurological effect, until I give a high Winstrol dose which has 
the immediate effect of correcting the neurological symptoms within 48 hours. 
No idea how it is doing it, but the effect is quite pronounced, to the point 
that I have had difficulty in getting a neurologist to assess my cat’s 
condition since the symptoms disappear within 2 days of giving the Winstrol. I 
have had to resort to videotaping the symptoms in order to be able to 
demonstrate them to the vets.

Thus, I have no idea what the Winstrol will do, if anything, in the presence of 
the lymphoma. However, FeLV often causes the development of lymphoma, so with 
any luck, by knocking back the virus, it may have a beneficial effect on the 
lymphoma.

Amani

From: Dianne Robison 
Sent: July 27, 2020 10:18 PM
To: Amani Oakley ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap


Thanks for your quick response, Amani!  What are your thoughts about the added 
issue of lymphoma?

Thanks,
Dianne
-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
To: Dianne Robison mailto:dbearw...@aol.com>>; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2020 8:36 pm
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
Hi Dianne

I recommend starting her on Winstrol, Doxycycline and Prednisone.

Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which is amazing in both its 
ability to stimulate red cell production from the bone marrow, as well as an 
excellent appetite stimulant. Cerenia is not a particularly effective 
antibiotic in the circumstances, though the fact that it can be used as a “slow 
release” antibiotic is a very good feature. My hypothesis is that Doxycycline 
actually works to affect the FeLV virus by preventing its cell wall production 
and/or stymies viral reproduction. The Prednisone or Prednisolone acts as an 
anti-inflammatory and possible liver protection.

Be forewarned that the Winstrol will likely significantly increase liver 
enzymes and will very much alarm the vet. My experience is that the liver 
enzyme spikes are temporary and will revert back to normal once the Winstrol is 
discontinued.

The dosages I recommend are:


  *   1 mg x2 per day of Winstrol (However, I have learned that cats have a 
remarkably high tolerance for Winstrol, so you could “jump start” the process 
by giving 2 mg x2 per day for the first week and then dropping it down to 1 mg 
x2 per day.


  *   50 mg x2 of Doxycycline, per day


  *   5 mg x1 prednisone/prednisolone per day


Run the bloodwork frequently – one a week if possible at the outset, and see if 
the results help to guide the dosage of Winstrol. Right now, you indicate your 
cat’s haematocrit is 20 which is low but not anywhere near critical yet. My 
cat’s haematocrit went down to 5. After several attempts at blood transfusions, 
it went only as high as 16. When it dropped back to 10, I started him on 
Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisolone, out of sheer desperation (nothing else 
worked), and got an immediate and wonderful response – the haematocrit began to 
climb within days of the first doses of Winstrol.

I had my cat, Zander, on this regime for a year, though at some point during 
the course of the year, I dropped the Winstrol down to 1 mg per day. Again, 
this was entirely dependent on his bloodwork. For the longest time, every time 
I tried to wean down the dose of Winstrol, his haematocrit would immediately 
drop as well. It probably took more than 4-6 months before his haematocrit 
would stay steady when I reduced the dose of Winstrol, and more than a year 
before I could wean him off it completely. However, Zander’s situation in terms 
of his haematocrit, was more dire than the blood work you have reported, so you 
may not need that long.

By the way, the Winstrol actually seemed to “turn back on” the bone marrow 
after it seems to have been destroyed by the virus. Zander’s reticulocyte count 
was ZERO for more than a year, while we struggled to find something that 
worked: blood transfusions, interferon, LTCI injections, etc. After I started 
him on the Winstrol, within a few weeks, I was started to get readings on the 
reticulocyte counts. Reticulocyte count is a measurement of how many immature 
red cells are being produced by bone marrow. Clearly, for more than a year, 
Zander was basically producing next to nothing in

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Dianne

I recommend starting her on Winstrol, Doxycycline and Prednisone.

Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which is amazing in both its 
ability to stimulate red cell production from the bone marrow, as well as an 
excellent appetite stimulant. Cerenia is not a particularly effective 
antibiotic in the circumstances, though the fact that it can be used as a “slow 
release” antibiotic is a very good feature. My hypothesis is that Doxycycline 
actually works to affect the FeLV virus by preventing its cell wall production 
and/or stymies viral reproduction. The Prednisone or Prednisolone acts as an 
anti-inflammatory and possible liver protection.

Be forewarned that the Winstrol will likely significantly increase liver 
enzymes and will very much alarm the vet. My experience is that the liver 
enzyme spikes are temporary and will revert back to normal once the Winstrol is 
discontinued.

The dosages I recommend are:


  *   1 mg x2 per day of Winstrol (However, I have learned that cats have a 
remarkably high tolerance for Winstrol, so you could “jump start” the process 
by giving 2 mg x2 per day for the first week and then dropping it down to 1 mg 
x2 per day.


  *   50 mg x2 of Doxycycline, per day


  *   5 mg x1 prednisone/prednisolone per day



Run the bloodwork frequently – one a week if possible at the outset, and see if 
the results help to guide the dosage of Winstrol. Right now, you indicate your 
cat’s haematocrit is 20 which is low but not anywhere near critical yet. My 
cat’s haematocrit went down to 5. After several attempts at blood transfusions, 
it went only as high as 16. When it dropped back to 10, I started him on 
Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisolone, out of sheer desperation (nothing else 
worked), and got an immediate and wonderful response – the haematocrit began to 
climb within days of the first doses of Winstrol.

I had my cat, Zander, on this regime for a year, though at some point during 
the course of the year, I dropped the Winstrol down to 1 mg per day. Again, 
this was entirely dependent on his bloodwork. For the longest time, every time 
I tried to wean down the dose of Winstrol, his haematocrit would immediately 
drop as well. It probably took more than 4-6 months before his haematocrit 
would stay steady when I reduced the dose of Winstrol, and more than a year 
before I could wean him off it completely. However, Zander’s situation in terms 
of his haematocrit, was more dire than the blood work you have reported, so you 
may not need that long.

By the way, the Winstrol actually seemed to “turn back on” the bone marrow 
after it seems to have been destroyed by the virus. Zander’s reticulocyte count 
was ZERO for more than a year, while we struggled to find something that 
worked: blood transfusions, interferon, LTCI injections, etc. After I started 
him on the Winstrol, within a few weeks, I was started to get readings on the 
reticulocyte counts. Reticulocyte count is a measurement of how many immature 
red cells are being produced by bone marrow. Clearly, for more than a year, 
Zander was basically producing next to nothing in red cells, and was kept alive 
by the blood transfusions we were giving him.

Winstrol can be difficult to get ahold of. Generally, it needs to be specially 
compounded by a compounding pharmacy. I used small white pills. Others on this 
email group have reported that they have obtained it in liquid form.

Good luck and hopefully your vet will assist.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Dianne Robison
Sent: July 27, 2020 9:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap

Hello and help please.

This is our third go around with a Feluek positive and lymphoma (sad to say).

Our girl, Ginger, will be 7 years old on Wednesday and has been asymptomatic 
until now.  Her lymph nodes in neck and belly are enlarged ad she stopped 
eating about 36 hours ago.  We took her to doc today who did blood work, xray, 
needle biopsy of lymph node. Her organ function numbers are all still good but 
her Hematocrit is 20 and she was dehydrated.  We got her fluids, Cerenia and 
will start her on 5 mg. of prednisone twice a day and an appetitie stimulant in 
her ear.

Thoughts, ideas, suggestions, please!  We know time is not on our side and 
anything you have up your sleeve is welcome.

We've gone the feeding tube and chemo route with our first kitty with FeLV and 
mediastinal lymphoma and it was not good.

Thank you so much!
Dianne Robison & Ginger
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Sherri

I am beyond thrilled that the Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxy combination has helped 
with Bogey, particularly given the extremely poor shape that Bogey was in when 
you started the treatment. I am surprised at the low doses, but whatever works 
for you is wonderful. You are doing it just right, checking her blood levels 
and adjusting the dosage thereafter.

Good luck to you and to Bogey, and thank you for working so hard to give Bogey 
a fighting chance.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: February 12, 2020 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress

Good afternoon everyone. I was a pretty active person on this board when my new 
stray kitten Bogey was diagnosed as FELV+ in 2016. We had a rough go of it the 
first six months and you all were very helpful and kind and I can't thank you 
enough for that. The information was invaluable. I have become ill myself since 
that time so I fell off the planet for a bit but I wanted to take a moment to 
let you know about my girl.

Bogey is doing very well. 8/2016 - 1/2019 she had been taking 1mg of Winstrol 
(half of a capsule) and a half of a Prednisilone. (sp) I also treated her with 
a series of Doxy (7 days) once every 3 months. These dosages seem low but 
anything higher made her liver very sick and she was only barely 5 pounds 
initially.

When I took her for her biannual Chem 17 test 1/2019 ALL of her levels were 
completely normal. She has gained about 3.5 pounds and has really thrived. She 
went almost 4 months last year without the need of any kind of treatment. Her 
numbers dropped a bit last in November, just the low side of normal and but 
very low platelets. So she is getting just the Winstrol 4 times a month. I will 
know next week at her checkup if that needs to be increased. My vet says that 
this is not uncommon in the winter months...hibernation/longer nights/colder 
temps.

So here we are. I am so thankful that we found a vet willing to try to save her 
by prescribing these meds for her. She was failing so fast that I know she 
would have been gone years ago. Nothing felt as good as sending her blood test 
results and a photo of her to our original vet that said she should be 
destroyed because there were "plenty of other healthy cats that need homes".

Best to all.

Sherri & Bogey



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Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

[Amani Oakley]

Patricia – if you can get a prescription for Betaderm skin cream, it does 
wonders on skin lesions and improvements are often very quick.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: November 15, 2019 6:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

Hi,

Vet thinks his neck could be an allergy, it could explain eosinophilia. It is 
really better after 6 days: 
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PtCRepqe0VY/Xc7_27r0i2I/xVM/r4LH1nzSuZoqBqn0R6TvDy_XeJRS4-oyACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/ferrero_antes_depois.jpg

Retromad isn´t available here. Interferon is available, it was used frequently 
in the past. Today isn´t so common brazilian vets prescribe it.

I´ll search about, thank you!

Patrícia



Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 21:23, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Hi,

Let’s hope he seroconverts to negative, eh?  But just in case, you might want 
to discuss oral dosing of human interferon alfa (*) with your vet(s).  Here’s a 
recent study showing some efficacy against feline leukemia virus:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6783854/

An analysis of these findings can be seen here: 
http://fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm

The oral dosing must be given withOUT food.

(*Human interferon alfa, if injected into a cat, will eventually cause a 
serious allergic reaction.  Oral dosing does not appear to have that risk.)

Also, some rescue groups are using RetroMad1, an antiviral developed in 
Malaysia, for FELV cats with some success. You can email me privately for the 
email address of a rescuer who is willing to discuss this therapy with others.

The eosinophilia could indicate an allergic response. In some cases it can 
indicate intestinal parasites, though I believe that finding is more common for 
reptiles than mammals.


Best regards,

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

. . . . . . . . . . .

Hello!

Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued.

Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and 
this one tested positive for felv.

I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. 
Do you have any suggestions?

He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, 
good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already 
much better.

Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), 
everything else normal.

We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then?

Thank you very much!


Patrícia
Santos/SP/Brazil
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Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

[Amani Oakley]

But Pam – even without symptoms, if a cat is FeLV+ - and particularly if it’s a 
kitten, then every vet knows that prognosis is grim. Why wait to treat? In the 
majority of cases, a cat will not come through a feline leukemia infection. If 
the cat is an adult, then I agree that the infection may not be active. Many 
adult cats who contract feline leukemia, will not develop the infection but may 
undergo a subclinical course and remain seroconverted. But if it’s a kitten, 
this is when they’re vulnerable to a feline leukemia infection and unlikely to 
survive.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: November 15, 2019 8:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

Thank you.  I have a great relationship with our vets but I am not sure I could 
get them to do that but will have the discussion the next time I have a felv+.

~~@~@~@~@~@

Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 8:03 PM Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
First, my vet has a lot of confidence in me and I have been right so many 
times, she really doesn’t question me anymore. Unfortunately, as my last email 
stated, I can no longer get the Winstrol from my vets because the compounding 
pharmacy which supplies the vets, no longer is carrying it. I now order it 
online, but it is in human strength.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: November 15, 2019 6:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

Amani, How do you get your vet to prescribe medication for a pet that has no 
outward symptoms to be treating?

-Pam

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:27 PM Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV kitten. 
I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all again, I 
would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he had his 
crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive.

This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we can’t 
see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates and 
compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a catastrophic 
event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done which shows 
horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood transfusions, 
experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically initiated. Many many 
times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we can’t drag these tiny 
little angels back from the brink.

In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, the 
virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up dying at a 
very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six more years with 
him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, from a terribly 
scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is likely that the 
virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to defeat the virus, 
much damage had been done to his body.

If it were me, I would start your kitten on Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline 
even if there are no symptoms. I would not wait for the shoe to drop. I would 
not bet on the virus not causing a problem.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: November 14, 2019 4:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil


Hello!

Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued.

Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and 
this one tested positive for felv.

I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. 
Do you have any suggestions?

He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, 
good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already 
much better.

Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), 
everything else normal.

We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then?

Thank you very much!


Patrícia
Santos/SP/Brazil
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Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

[Amani Oakley]

First, my vet has a lot of confidence in me and I have been right so many 
times, she really doesn’t question me anymore. Unfortunately, as my last email 
stated, I can no longer get the Winstrol from my vets because the compounding 
pharmacy which supplies the vets, no longer is carrying it. I now order it 
online, but it is in human strength.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: November 15, 2019 6:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

Amani, How do you get your vet to prescribe medication for a pet that has no 
outward symptoms to be treating?

-Pam

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:27 PM Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV kitten. 
I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all again, I 
would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he had his 
crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive.

This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we can’t 
see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates and 
compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a catastrophic 
event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done which shows 
horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood transfusions, 
experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically initiated. Many many 
times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we can’t drag these tiny 
little angels back from the brink.

In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, the 
virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up dying at a 
very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six more years with 
him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, from a terribly 
scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is likely that the 
virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to defeat the virus, 
much damage had been done to his body.

If it were me, I would start your kitten on Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline 
even if there are no symptoms. I would not wait for the shoe to drop. I would 
not bet on the virus not causing a problem.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: November 14, 2019 4:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil


Hello!

Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued.

Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and 
this one tested positive for felv.

I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. 
Do you have any suggestions?

He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, 
good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already 
much better.

Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), 
everything else normal.

We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then?

Thank you very much!


Patrícia
Santos/SP/Brazil
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Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Patricia. Very interesting to hear about the effect of the Stanozolol on the 
elderly cat. I have used it in many other situations, and it often helps 
dramatically. I have a cat right now, and sadly, I am quite convinced he has a 
spinal tumour. Over the years, since he was a kitten, he has had bouts of very 
very serious symptoms, where his back end sways and he cannot stand up. He 
walks like he is drunk and cannot stay upright. He also shows a significant 
head tremor. So I started giving him Stanozolol, and every time I give it to 
him, the symptoms disappear entirely. In fact, so entirely, that I cannot get 
him properly investigated if I give him any Winstrol. Recently, he had one of 
these terrible and scary bouts, and he was looking awful. It was so upsetting 
to watch him so gave him one capsule.

I am now being forced to use human strength Winstrol since the compounding 
pharmacy supplying the vets recently discontinued carrying Winstrol. The human 
capsule is many times stronger, but I have found that giving my cat smaller 
doses of the capsule, is not at all effective and my research showed that 
athletes use this stuff at 1,000 x or higher normal doses with no negative 
effects. So I now give him the whole capsule, but only one every few days. That 
single one capsule wiped out his symptoms. I had taken him to the vets a few 
days after I gave him the capsule, and the vet could see the back-end weakness 
still, although the weakness was already better than it had been the previous 
weekend. The vet made an appointment for me for another MRI and neurology 
consult, for two weeks later. (Supposed to be on November 25th and the symptoms 
were on the weekend of November 2/3). But there is nothing left to show now and 
I am going to have to reschedule the appointment and wait for the symptoms to 
return so the neurologist can actually witness them. All this to say that the 
Winstrol is quite impressive, and in my opinion, it is acting to allow my cat 
compensate for something going on in his spine, which would otherwise have my 
cat collapsing and unable to walk.

Patricia, the medication combination I used with my FeLV cat does, I believe, 
effects the virus. I have researched Doxycycline, and it is effective against 
organisms that are very different than the usual microorganisms which are 
targeted by antibiotics. Antibiotics are known to be effective, largely against 
bacterial and obviously not viruses. Doxycycline, on the other hand, has been 
found to be effective against a number of viruses and a number of parasites. 
Having researched this, and understanding that this is nothing more than my own 
personal hypothesis, based on the weekly blood work I ran on my FeLV cat, I 
believe that the effect of the Doxycycline and the Winstrol combination is that 
the Winstrol strengthens the cat’s bone marrow, allowing for red cells, white 
cells and platelets to be regenerated. This buys time. In the meantime, the 
Doxycycline is preventing the virus from reproducing by interfering with cell 
wall synthesis of the virus. So the combination of the freezing of viral 
replication, and the enabling of bone marrow regeneration, may be how these 
meds help FeLV cats. That is also why waiting until the cat crashes and 
demonstrates terrible red cell counts and abnormal white cells, etc., to start 
the treatment, is often not successful. If the cat’s body is too damaged by the 
virus or the bone marrow is too far gone, then it could be anticipated that the 
treatment will not work.

At the very least Patricia, I would put Ferrero on the Doxycycline.

Thank you also for letting me know of the good result you have seen so far on 
the older stray, and thank you for doing all that you’re doing for these poor 
babies in Brazil.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: November 15, 2019 6:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

Hi, Amani!

You know, i am using stanozolol with an elderly fiv cat rescued some weeks ago. 
She was inside a box, in the street, and couldn´t even support her own weight. 
Anemic, huge infeccion ( more than 40.000 leukocytes!).

Now she is walking almost normal, no more anemia, progressing day by day :)

I am very grateful for finding out stanozolol through this mailing list.

About Ferrero (felv kitten), i was hoping there was something that could help 
him to eliminate virus. I didn´t think about felv treatment for now.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic? :(

This is Ferrero: 
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y_Q8LLhYoxk/Xc7_9WuIMeI/xVQ/9_B4ofolnSsC5E36Q41guTu-CoeRjbT3wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_20191115_130925.jpg

Thank you!

Patrícia


Em sex., 15 de nov. de 2019 às 17:32, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV kitten. 
I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all again, I 
would have started my 

Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

[Amani Oakley]

Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV kitten. 
I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all again, I 
would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he had his 
crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive.

This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we can’t 
see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates and 
compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a catastrophic 
event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done which shows 
horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood transfusions, 
experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically initiated. Many many 
times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we can’t drag these tiny 
little angels back from the brink.

In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, the 
virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up dying at a 
very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six more years with 
him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, from a terribly 
scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is likely that the 
virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to defeat the virus, 
much damage had been done to his body.

If it were me, I would start your kitten on Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline 
even if there are no symptoms. I would not wait for the shoe to drop. I would 
not bet on the virus not causing a problem.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: November 14, 2019 4:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil


Hello!

Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued.

Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and 
this one tested positive for felv.

I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. 
Do you have any suggestions?

He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, 
good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already 
much better.

Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), 
everything else normal.

We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then?

Thank you very much!


Patrícia
Santos/SP/Brazil
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat?

[Amani Oakley]

Wendy

I was going to comment on that issue earlier, but I thought you had already 
gone ahead with the bone marrow testing. I am not sure there is any other 
treatment, regardless of the outcome of the testing. I personally agree with 
you that I probably would choose not to put my cat through bone marrow testing, 
when it really can't affect the outcome. I am glad to hear that he is feeling 
better after the two transfusions. Use the Doxy-Pred-Winstrol combination now, 
and hopefully, your kitten's haematocrit doesn't end up falling after the 
temporary boost from the blood transfusion. The life span of a red blood cell 
is 120 days (at least in humans), and the blood transfusions will have red 
cells at different stages of their life spans, so you probably already know 
that the effect of the transfusions will probably only last 3 months or so. 
Hopefully by then the Winstrol would have kicked in to assist the bone marrow 
in producing red cells.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Wendy
Sent: September 19, 2019 10:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat?

Hello, Thank you all for your replies earlier today.  Our cats' red count is 
coming back after 2 blood transfusions, and we started doxy today.  He is 
eating, drinking, purring, has much better energy, is back to talking, etc.  We 
are awaiting results that we should have tomorrow morning on the test of his 
lymphocytes using blood that was drawn before the blood transfusions.  If the 
test comes back showing that the lymphocytes contain cancer cells, then we have 
our answer.  If the test comes back showing that the lymphocytes do not contain 
cancer cells, then it has been suggested that we do bone marrow testing asap 
tomorrow afternoon.  My understanding is that the bone marrow test would likely 
either show that he has myelodysplasia or cancer in his bone marrow.  My 
question is: Would the suggested treatment of Doxy + Pred + Winstrol change if 
we find out that our cat has myelodysplasia vs if he has cancer in his bone 
marrow?  If the treatment is the same, then I question putting our cat at the 
risk of anesthesia, lowering his red count, infection, etc.  The plan is to 
start our cat on Doxy + Pred + Winstrol tomorrow afternoon, and we are being 
told that if we want to test his bone marrow we need to do it tomorrow morning 
before we start giving him steroids.  In addition, his chest x-ray today was 
clean, and his abdominal ultrasound showed a slightly enlarge spleen and either 
a few slightly enlarged lymph nodes or possibly a few small satellite spleens, 
all of which seems can be expected with the anemia and / or infection, and 
therefore was not cause for concern.

Following are the background facts, which I also posted this morning:  Our FELV 
positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick 
suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019.  A few days 
ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating.  We had his blood drawn 
yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a 
blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test 
tomorrow.  We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very 
effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are 
going to give him another transfusion.  As background, we rescued him as a 
stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has 
been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive.  
Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae.  On 
12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work 
was in normal ranges at that time.  In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte 
shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 
days on and then 7 days off, repeated.  We have continued the interferon and 
t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019.  Just yesterday, here are the results 
of his blood work:
Tests ResultsRef. Range
Total Protein  6.1  5.2- 8.8 g/dL
Albumin 3.5   2.5- 3.9 g/dl
Globulin 2.6   2.3- 5.3 g/dL
A/G Ratio  1.30.35- 1.5
AST (SGOT)  106 (HIGH)   10-100 IU/L
ALT (SGPT)   3910- 100  IU/L
Alk Phosphatase406- 102  IU/L
GGT  11- 10 IU/L
Total Bilirubin   0.1   0.1- 0.4 mg/dL
BUN 1514- 36 mg/dl
Creatinine  0.9   0.6- 2.4 mg/dl
BUN/Creatinine Ratio   17 4-33

Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT

[Amani Oakley]

As others have mentioned in reply to your post, I have used a combination of 
Winstrol (Stanozolol), Doxycycline and Prednisone. The blood work seems to show 
that there is an affect on both the red cell lines and platelets. That suggests 
that this is a bone marrow depression, and in turn that suggests that this is 
likely the effect of FeLV. My experience has been that the Winstrol seems to 
turn back on or encourage the growth of new bone marrow cells, and is really 
great for increasing red cell indices (red cell counts, haematocrit, 
haemoglobin, reticulocyte count), and I saw it take effect pretty quickly. My 
cat's haematocrit was down to 10 after two separate rounds of blood transfusion.

By the way, I don't understand the explanation in your email, that you've been 
told that the blood transfusion wasn't effective because of too much IV fluids. 
That doesn't make a lot of sense. You are still infusing the same volume of red 
cells, whether that is diluted by the IV fluids or not. I agree that the lab 
results may show a dilution effect because of the IV fluids, but that just 
means that when the excess fluid is pee'd out, then the haematocrit result will 
go up. By the way, if there is truly a dilution effect, it will show on a 
number of lab results like sodium, potassium, urea and platelets.

What I had my cat on was:   Winstrol (stanozolol)  
1 mg, 2 times a day (though this can be dramatically increased if necessary)
 Doxycycline
  50 mg daily (can be given once, or split to 25 mg, 2 times a day)
 Prednisone/Prednisolone
  5 mg daily (can be given once, or split to 2.5 mg, 2 times a day)


Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Wendy
Sent: September 19, 2019 1:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Importance: High

Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has 
gotten very sick suddenly.  He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 
2019.  Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat?  
A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating.  We had his 
blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he 
needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow 
test tomorrow.  We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not 
very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they 
are going to give him another transfusion.  As background, we rescued him as a 
stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has 
been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive.  
Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae.  On 
12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work 
was in normal ranges at that time.  In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte 
shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 
days on and then 7 days off, repeated.  We have continued the interferon and 
t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019.  Just yesterday, here are the results 
of his blood work that are not in normal range:
AST (SGOT) 106
Glucose 178
CPK 711
WBC 20.5
RBC 2.5
HGB 4.5
HCT 14
NRBC 9
Platelet Count 78
Neutrophils 1640
Lymphocytes 17630
Monocytes 1025
Basophils 205
Protein 2+
Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000
Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat?
Thank you, Wendy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Deborah

Definitely – I have heard from several people who have tried the combination 
Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone and their cats’ blood work improved quickly, as well 
as their cats overall. I have heard from others who tried it but their cat died 
very quickly (ie – within a day or two of their posting asking for 
suggestions). Obviously, it’s impossible to tell, in those cases, whether 
trying the meds earlier may have helped or whether the meds were just 
completely ineffective. My suggestion is that if there are other things you are 
wanting to try, you can probably go ahead and try those other options, in 
addition to the Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone combination, because I don’t think one 
thing precludes the other.

There is very little that is effective, other than Zander’s Protocol, when cats 
are showing severe anemia and the reduction of other cell lines (platelets and 
white cells), so I don’t think that there’s an awful lot to choose from.

I must tell you though, that I have had very good success using Winstrol in 
many other circumstances with my cats. I think cats respond well to steroids 
generally, and my vet told me that once upon a time (20-30 years ago), they 
used to hand out Winstrol “like candy” for almost any cat ailment which 
involved loss of appetite, general malaise, etc. That stopped around the time 
of the Ben Johnson Olympic scandal (1988 or something like that) and then 
rumours began to be heard by the vets that Winstrol may damage the liver, so 
everyone stopped using it. It is a pity, because I find it useful for many 
conditions and I don’t think vets have anything at all to replace what it can 
do for cats suffering from anemia, leukemia, etc.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Deborah 
Whorley
Sent: July 26, 2019 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving 
Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

Amani - have you ever received any feedback from others who have tried your 
protocol and what their results were? Repeating labs this morning and will 
present your protocol and history to see if she will let us try.

Thanks,
Deb

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:45:12 +
From: Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" 
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving
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Hi Deborah

The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is the 
low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count.

Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they can 
also go quite low with an infection ? often if there is a focal area of 
inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory system 
to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that there ma be a 
source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with a chronic 
infection as well.

If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of 
antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram 
negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with 
another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more 
unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I would 
also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent enhancing effect 
on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself wouldn?t be that 
worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably wouldn?t hurt to hold 
off on that one and see if you get some improvement on the Doxycycline/Other 
Antibiotic/Winstrol combination.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Deborah

Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Deborah

The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is the 
low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count.

Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they can 
also go quite low with an infection – often if there is a focal area of 
inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory system 
to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that there ma be a 
source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with a chronic 
infection as well.

If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of 
antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram 
negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with 
another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more 
unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I would 
also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent enhancing effect 
on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself wouldn’t be that 
worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably wouldn’t hurt to hold 
off on that one and see if you get some improvement on the Doxycycline/Other 
Antibiotic/Winstrol combination.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Deborah 
Whorley
Sent: July 25, 2019 2:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol 
with low WBC

Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with 
constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she does 
when she is “backed up” but 100 cc SQ fluids didn’t resolve the issue as it 
normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve.  I ended up with her in the 
emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible (see below). 
Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in lungs/abdomen. ER vet, 
and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due to low WBC. Treating 
dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and mertazapine. ER vet also gave 
Convenia "just in case”. Going back on Fri to my vet for another CBC. Have been 
following this group for several years and want to try Amani’s treatment 
protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? 
Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb

CBC (21Jul2019)
NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have 
insisted upon

TestResultFlagNormal Range  Measure
RBC5.11 L 5.65 8.87  M/μL
HCT24.4L  37.3 61.7   %
HGB7.8  L  13.1 20.5   
g/dL
MCV   47.7L   61.6 73.5  fL
MCH   15.3L   21.2 25.9  pg
MCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9  g/dL
RDW  23.6H  13.6 21.7  %
%RETIC 0.2  
%
RETIC8.7  L   10.0 110.0
K/μL

WBC   * 2.39  5.05 16.76K/μL
%NEU* 32.6  
   %
%LYM* 36.8  
   %
%MONO * 28.5
%
%EOS * 0.4  
  %
%BASO  * 1.7
%
NEU--.-- 2.95 11.64 K/μL
BAND * Suspected
LYM* 0.88 1.05 5.10K/μL
MONO* 0.68 0.16 
1.12   K/μL
EOS * 0.01 0.06 1.23   K/μL
BASO  * 0.04 0.00 0.10   K/μL
nRBC  * Suspected
PLT * 182  148 484  K/μL
MPV   17.6H 8.7 13.2  fL
PDW   --.-- 9.1 19.4 fL
PCT 0.320.14 0.46   %
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

We’re all pulling for Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in 
my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo 
works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good 
care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
Ardy


From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too.

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.
I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.



Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blo

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too.

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.
I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.



Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red 
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets 
for the first time (92.000).

Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.

Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:

Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy 
of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.

Good luck - don't give up!!

Sandt W


On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started 
another medication for nausea, although she does not

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red 
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets 
for the first time (92.000).

Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.

Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:

Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy 
of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.

Good luck - don't give up!!

Sandt W


On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started 
another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may 
be why she does not eat.

Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can 
be from leukemia.

The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(

i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.

thank you!

Patrícia



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < 
aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:

Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.



Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.



Amani



From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +



Hi, Amani



Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.



I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would 
prevent hemolysis.



I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right 
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last 
one.



I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will 
be possible.



Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged 
heart.



Thank you!







Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

I have never heard of this “bizarre core” reference to neutrophils. It may be a 
term you guys use in your country but I cannot even guess what the equivalent 
might be here.

It certainly sounds like Nori had a bit of a transfusion reaction this time. 
Hopefully, it will pass and she’ll feel better soon.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started 
another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may 
be why she does not eat.

Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can 
be from leukemia.

The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(

i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.

thank you!

Patrícia



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.

Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani

Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.

I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would 
prevent hemolysis.

I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right 
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last 
one.

I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will 
be possible.

Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged 
heart.

Thank you!



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia

The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I 
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause 
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the 
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, 
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. 
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems 
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
going on.

It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher 
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation 
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in 
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood 
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, 
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) 
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total 
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting 
the direct amount from the total amount.

I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the 
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was 
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I 
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, 
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.

I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood 
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and 
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the 
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the 
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the 
viruses from properly reproducing.

However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, 
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hem

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.

Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani

Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.

I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would 
prevent hemolysis.

I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right 
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last 
one.

I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will 
be possible.

Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged 
heart.

Thank you!



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia

The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I 
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause 
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the 
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, 
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. 
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems 
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
going on.

It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher 
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation 
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in 
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood 
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, 
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) 
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total 
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting 
the direct amount from the total amount.

I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the 
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was 
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I 
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, 
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.

I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood 
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and 
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the 
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the 
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the 
viruses from properly reproducing.

However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, 
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

i am worried again.

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Patricia

The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I 
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause 
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the 
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, 
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. 
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems 
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
going on.

It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher 
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation 
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in 
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood 
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, 
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) 
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total 
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting 
the direct amount from the total amount.

I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the 
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was 
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I 
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, 
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.

I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood 
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and 
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the 
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the 
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the 
viruses from properly reproducing.

However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, 
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

i am worried again.

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Patricia,

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be us

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Patricia,

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty w

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

I don’t know if erythropoietin can be used with Stanozolol, but I don’t see why 
not.

However, I am not sure that erythropoetin will help. Not to bore everyone silly 
again with this explanation, but erythropoietin stimulates the bone marrow to 
make more red cells. However, the bone marrow which is damaged by the FeLV 
virus, cannot respond to the signals being sent by the erythropoietin and is 
unable to make more red cells. The Stanozolol works on the bone marrow itself 
to produce new bone marrow cells, and thus, enable the new cells to produce red 
cells again. So no, the Stanozolol doesn’t increase erythropoietin. If it is 
going to work, it seems to work directly on the bone marrow, and especially on 
the progenitor cells in the bone marrow which produce the red cells.

Are you giving the stanozolol with the Doxycycline and prednisone?

If it were me, I would proceed with the blood transfusion, and double up the 
Stanozolol. I don’t know what level you’re giving. 1 mg twice daily or 2 mg 
twice daily. Try increasing the strength. Athletes take stanozolol at 1000X 
recommended dosing and rarely suffer any side effects.

The other thing to be aware of in interpreting your blood results is this. The 
life span of red cells is about 45 days if I remember correctly, so you will 
have a falling off of the haematocrit as the red cells from the last 
transfusion die off. Look to see what the reticulocyte count is, and what it is 
now compared to a previous blood result. However, even that result may also be 
affected by the transfusion, so I am not sure if you would see the true numbers 
or see the transfused cells instead. In other words, the dropping of the 
haematocrit may be more about the natural dying off of the last batch of red 
cells, rather than whether there is any effect yet of the meds. Nonetheless, to 
be on the safe side, if you are worried, go ahead with the transfusion.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, ad

Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Kristy - that's great about the blood work. However, don’t let it make you 
complacent. If she tested FeLV positive, and she is such a wee kitten, with all 
kinds of other problems, if it were me, I would want to get ahead of the 
problem. Also, as I've mentioned, the Stanozolol seems to be helpful for other 
conditions, and it also makes them feel better and improves their appetite and 
overall outlook on life.

Please let us know how things go. We're all praying for your little kitten and 
thank you for having such a good heart.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
Sent: June 3, 2019 10:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

Hi Amani!

Thanks for your help!

As far as I know his bloodwork came back normal other than the fever. 

I will talk to my vet about the meds you suggested. Unfortunately the two vets 
I have taken him haven’t really been forthcoming with treatment options. 

My husband is taking him back to the vet on Friday since we can’t seem to get 
the diarrhea/bloating under control. 

Have a great day!
Kristy

> On May 31, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristy
> 
> The advice I repeat to everyone is that the best combination I found to treat 
> a FeLV cat is with prednisone (prednisolone), Doxycycline and Stanozolol. I 
> don’t know if you have run blood work to determine the haematocrit/red cell 
> levels, but when a cat goes into crisis, it is usually because the red cells 
> are not being replenished by the infected bone marrow (which normally 
> produces new red cells) and the cat becomes severely anaemic. Other cell 
> lines in the blood soon follow (white cells and platelets) because the 
> progenitor cells which produce those blood cell lines are also found in the 
> infected bone marrow (which is attacked by the virus). The reticulocyte 
> count, which is a measure of new red cells being produced by the bone marrow, 
> is very low or even zero (which it was with my cat).
> 
> I would not wait until your cat is in crisis to start the treatment. My 
> kitten was in severe crisis when I stumbled upon this combination therapy, 
> and it was the only thing that worked to reverse the severe anaemia. I had 
> tried three other treatments, while doing weekly blood testing, and none of 
> the other treatments (Interferon, LTCI and Immunoregulin) budged his results 
> upwards by even a single point, though I had used each treatment for weeks if 
> not months in looking for an effective treatment.
> 
> If I were you, I would get him on Doxycycline rather than, or at least in 
> addition to the Clavamox. The Doxycycline has been found to interfere with 
> cell wall production with some viruses. If this were my kitten, I would get 
> started on the combination of prednisone/stanozolol/doxycycline right away. 
> You might want to test the blood work to get a baseline first, but given that 
> your kitten is not currently in crisis, that may not be entirely necessary.
> 
> With respect to the intestinal issues, with my FeLV cat, I had identified 
> that there was intestinal involvement and my research confirmed that the 
> walls of the intestines can be affected by the virus. In my cat's case, the 
> intestines were swollen and the stool seemed to sit in there for a long time. 
> I used metoclopramide (tiny amount 1/4 to 1/5 of a tablet before each meal) 
> to keep everything moving along, because my cat was eating and then throwing 
> up. Metoclopramide helps with emptying of stomach contents and moving stool 
> out of the top 1/3 of the intestines. You might consider trying the 
> metoclopramide to see if it will help with the bloating and gas.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
> Sent: May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty
> 
> Hi!
> 
> My husband and I recently took in a Fel-V+ kitty that showed up outside our 
> house a couple of months ago. We already had 7 other kitties so we had to 
> keep Fergus (kitty’s name) isolated in the upstairs portion of our house. 
> 
> He is experiencing bloating, is very gassy, and still has diarrhea (softer 
> stools) and I was wondering if this is a typical symptom of a positive kitty. 
> 
> He’s been to the vet and no parasites were found, but he was running a fever. 
> He is on Clavamox to help with the fever, but other than the 
> bloating/gas/diarrhea he is a normal kitty. We’ve tried figuring out if he 
> had an issue or allergy to specific foods, but nothing we’ve done has changed 
> his bloating/gas/diarrhea. He did have an ultrasound at the vet visit and 
> there were no masses or obstructions. 
> 
> Is this possibly a symptom o

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patrícia
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Kristy

The advice I repeat to everyone is that the best combination I found to treat a 
FeLV cat is with prednisone (prednisolone), Doxycycline and Stanozolol. I don’t 
know if you have run blood work to determine the haematocrit/red cell levels, 
but when a cat goes into crisis, it is usually because the red cells are not 
being replenished by the infected bone marrow (which normally produces new red 
cells) and the cat becomes severely anaemic. Other cell lines in the blood soon 
follow (white cells and platelets) because the progenitor cells which produce 
those blood cell lines are also found in the infected bone marrow (which is 
attacked by the virus). The reticulocyte count, which is a measure of new red 
cells being produced by the bone marrow, is very low or even zero (which it was 
with my cat).

I would not wait until your cat is in crisis to start the treatment. My kitten 
was in severe crisis when I stumbled upon this combination therapy, and it was 
the only thing that worked to reverse the severe anaemia. I had tried three 
other treatments, while doing weekly blood testing, and none of the other 
treatments (Interferon, LTCI and Immunoregulin) budged his results upwards by 
even a single point, though I had used each treatment for weeks if not months 
in looking for an effective treatment.

If I were you, I would get him on Doxycycline rather than, or at least in 
addition to the Clavamox. The Doxycycline has been found to interfere with cell 
wall production with some viruses. If this were my kitten, I would get started 
on the combination of prednisone/stanozolol/doxycycline right away. You might 
want to test the blood work to get a baseline first, but given that your kitten 
is not currently in crisis, that may not be entirely necessary.

With respect to the intestinal issues, with my FeLV cat, I had identified that 
there was intestinal involvement and my research confirmed that the walls of 
the intestines can be affected by the virus. In my cat's case, the intestines 
were swollen and the stool seemed to sit in there for a long time. I used 
metoclopramide (tiny amount 1/4 to 1/5 of a tablet before each meal) to keep 
everything moving along, because my cat was eating and then throwing up. 
Metoclopramide helps with emptying of stomach contents and moving stool out of 
the top 1/3 of the intestines. You might consider trying the metoclopramide to 
see if it will help with the bloating and gas.

Amani



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
Sent: May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

Hi!

My husband and I recently took in a Fel-V+ kitty that showed up outside our 
house a couple of months ago. We already had 7 other kitties so we had to keep 
Fergus (kitty’s name) isolated in the upstairs portion of our house. 

He is experiencing bloating, is very gassy, and still has diarrhea (softer 
stools) and I was wondering if this is a typical symptom of a positive kitty. 

He’s been to the vet and no parasites were found, but he was running a fever. 
He is on Clavamox to help with the fever, but other than the 
bloating/gas/diarrhea he is a normal kitty. We’ve tried figuring out if he had 
an issue or allergy to specific foods, but nothing we’ve done has changed his 
bloating/gas/diarrhea. He did have an ultrasound at the vet visit and there 
were no masses or obstructions. 

Is this possibly a symptom of the Fel-V?  What sort of stuff should we be 
looking for?

He’s such a sweet, loving kitty and my husband’s baby!  How can we help this 
kitty?

Thanks for any help you can provide!
Kristy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patrícia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Patricia

The stanozolol works very well when combined with Doxy and prednisolone – at 
least in my experience. I used 1 mg twice a day of stanozolol, but I started at 
2 mg a day with my very sick little boy, who also had a haematocrit of 5 
originally before getting a blood transfusion. He got a second blood 
transfusion when he hit a haematocrit of 10 again, and that’s when I started 
the combination of stanozolol, prednisone and Doxycycline. After he was out of 
the woods a bit, and I saw a response with the reticulocyte count (which was 
ZERO when I started the meds – ie – his bone marrow wasn’t producing ANY 
cells), then I reduced the stanozolol level to 1 mg twice a day (but I 
monitored his lab results and had to increase the stanozolol several times 
before I could safely reduce the level without seeing a drop in his 
haematocrit, retics, etc.).

I also had another cat come from a FIP positive feral colony, who was 
desperately desperately ill and didn’t think she would make it. When I got her, 
she had a very high fever, was runny and terribly congested, and had a 
percussive sound to her abdomen. I never tested her so I cannot confirm if she 
did have FIP, but I was told by the lady from whom I had gotten her, that 
several of the other cats from the FIP positive feral colony, died the same 
weekend I got her and tested FIP positive. I used the same stanozolol + 
prednisone + Doxy combination, and she pulled through very well.

I am currently using stanozolol and prednisone on a cat I first got as a 
kitten, and he was exhibiting neurological symptoms. We have had several 
problems over the years with him and I am convinced he has some sort of spinal 
tumour. He gets to where his back end is very swiveling (swinging), and he 
cannot stand or walk at all properly. He is very weak in his hindquarters. I 
have taken him in for several MRI’s and the problem is that I treat him before 
the MRI’s (because he can barely stand and clearly feels terrible). By the time 
I have had him in for the test (literally in two days sometimes) the symptoms 
will have entirely disappeared with the stanozolol and the prednisone. It 
happened again just last week. He was clearly worsening significantly, and 
could barely walk, and looked terrible. I have someone staying at the house 
because I have to be away for business right now. I came home on the weekend to 
find him in a terrible state, even though the cat sitter was giving him 10 mg 
prednisone daily (2 x 5 mg a day). I added stanozolol on the Friday. On 
Saturday, I sat for hours to try and capture the weakness on my iPhone so I 
could show the vets, but it was already so significantly improved that I really 
wasn’t able to demonstrate it on the videos I took.

I find the Stanozolol is extremely helpful with a wide variety of conditions 
with cats. One of the senior vet assistants who has been at our clinic for more 
than 30 years, recalls – as I do – that vets used to prescribe Stanozolol very 
commonly to cats for a whole variety of conditions, until the stupid Ben 
Johnson doping scandal at the Olympics in the late 1980’s. Because of the 
doping scandals, and an overly sensitive concern about liver damage (which is 
not established by the scientific literature – the condition is usually 
temporary only), then vets stopped using it or weren’t able to get it. It is a 
true tragedy for our cats.

I would be very interested to hear back from you, if you do decide to try the 
stanozolol, to let us all know what response you got, if any.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patrícia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Amani Oakley]

I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you and Homey. It is wonderful you have 
found some open-minded vets. Please let us all know if you get good results. 
Certainly, the information I found online strongly suggests CBD Oil is quite 
effective in cases of hyperthyroidism in humans, but I think the trick always 
is in getting the correct strain. Sadly, given the decades of labelling 
everything from the cannabis and hemp plants as criminal, science and medicine 
has lagged far behind in understanding the potential of these plants. My 
understanding is that there are certain strains which have shown excellent 
results with hyperthyroidism, and I myself am still exploring how to obtain the 
strains you need for the conditions you seek to treat. I’m in Canada, and 
although everything is now legal here, it is a mess in terms of understanding 
this stuff. In Ontario, they closed down almost all of the dispensaries and 
small shops which had the expertise in this stuff, and I think that was just a 
bozo move to make. As I understand it, in states like Colorado where they left 
these dispensaries after legalizing medical marijuana, the folks who actually 
understood stuff about the different strains, could be found in those shops to 
guide you.

Hopefully, your vets have resources available to them to ensure that the right 
strains are obtained.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: April 21, 2019 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Computer acting up, not sure if my message got thru.
Homey is not felv, Shalie was.  Harley and Dee are not felv and I got them at 
Walmart, lady was giving away.  I chewed her out and she said visitors 
accidently let her out and she became pregnant.  nicely explained that if she 
was not breeding to sell kittens, is best for her cat and herself to get her 
spayed.  I believe in spay/neuter so we don't end up with more kittens to be 
killed on streets, being used to "blood" fighting dogs or killed in shelters.  
Homey was feral.  I am against the Iodine because of the long seperation period 
would be hard on her and the rest of us.  She has always slept on my bed .  
PLUS MY EXPERIENCE with Shali.  Can't do this to another of my fur babies.  I 
have contacted 2 vets who have used medical cannibus with good results and am 
contacting my vets who have been open minded about alternative medicine.  
Hopefully they will be willing to supervise her treatment for me.  downloading 
info from new vets for them.

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From: Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
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Sent: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 20:07:38 -0400 (EDT)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Amani Oakley]

Got in now. Yes, it’s true that most of our conversations relate to FeLV cats, 
but Dlgegg has a lot of cats (like many of us on this chatline) and we also 
sometimes just see if others in the group may have experience with other 
conditions.

Good information you have provided regarding hyperthyroidism. Thank you,

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 7:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

As this group is FeLVtalk, I assumed that cats discussed here are FeLV-positive 
unless the writer says otherwise.

Yes, I would indeed hesitate to put a FeLV cat through I-131 therapy. We’ve 
seen many of our rescues go temporarily hypothyroid (ie, underactive thyroid) 
for 2 or more months as the treatment, after it is administered, gradually 
kills the overactive thyroid nodules and the healthy thyroid tissue has to wake 
back up. This happening is known to veterinarians administering I-131 and is 
one reason they recommend waiting to test the thyroid until 60 days after 
treatment.

Sometimes, though, the cat’s thyroid becomes oversuppressed because too much 
tissue was destroyed, and the cat needs supplementation with thyroid hormone. 
In two of our cases, permanent supplementation became necessary.

This is meaningful to FeLV (and FIV) cats because when the thyroid gland is 
working too slowly, the immune system can also slow down. This has been seen in 
humans and in dogs, so I suspect cats would be affected as well.  So, for my 
own FIV cat and for my cousin’s FeLV kitty who we baby-sit, I wouldn’t use 
I-131 therapy without thinking hard about it, especially if the cat is doing 
well on methimazole.


Hope this helps,

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with 
I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen 
a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was 
referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with 
the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of 
that treatment on a FeLV cat.

Amani

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mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Lorraine Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you 
mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the 
original poster (dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – see 
bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats 
did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine).

- Lorraine


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible.

Amani


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Hello,
We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it.
But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.
It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.
Best regards,
Lorraine
On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM 
"dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" 
mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote:
Hello everyoone,
I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had o

Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Amani Oakley]

And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with 
I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen 
a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was 
referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with 
the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of 
that treatment on a FeLV cat.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you 
mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the 
original poster (dlg...@windstream.net  – see 
bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior cats 
did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine).

- Lorraine


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible.

Amani


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Hello,
We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it.
But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.
It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.
Best regards,
Lorraine
On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM 
"dlg...@windstream.net" 
mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote:
Hello everyoone,
I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Amani Oakley]

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Hello,
We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it.
But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.
It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.

Best regards,
Lorraine

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM 
"dlg...@windstream.net" 
mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote:
Hello everyoone,
I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Amani Oakley]

Hi dlgegg

I confess to not having had to deal with this yet in my cats. However, I did 
some research for you and see a few things that might be of interest to you.

First, the radioactive treatment should not have resulted in any nasal 
bleeding. I couldn’t find that commonly described as a side-effect of the 
treatment. Perhaps things have improved with the treatment since you last used 
it on your other cat, ten years ago, and you could maybe ask the vet about 
that. It is correct that there is a period where the cat has to remain at the 
vets, until the radioactive levels subside but that seems to be described as a 
week or so. This treatment is considered permanent, and would then not require 
ongoing medication.

However, one thing you might want to explore is getting CBD Oil and trying 
that. Certain strains are found to be very good for hyperthyroidism, and there 
are no side-effects. I am not sure which state you are in, and whether CBD Oil 
is legal in the state you are in. It should be as it contains no THC levels at 
all, but governments have been stupid and schizophrenic about such things. Look 
up “Medical Marijuana and Hyperthyroidism” and see what comes up. The articles 
you will see relate to use of CBD for hyperthyroidism in people, but you can 
get CBD Oil for animals as well.

Amani



From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: April 18, 2019 3:13 PM
To: leukemia, feline 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

Hello everyoone,
I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.
my question is:  does anyone know of alternative or better ways of treating 
this?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

[Amani Oakley]

I also frankly think you may be dealing with FeLV plus FIV. That would explain 
the fast effect on the rest of the cats in the house (which I have not seen or 
heard of from others with FIV+ cats) and also that the blood work is "fine" 
despite effects on appetite and the presence of fever. If it was the FeLV, one 
would expect a reduction in red cells, and other cell lines.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Jennifer Stertzer
Sent: March-25-19 3:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

Hello,  We are in the midst of dealing with a FELV outbreak in our household.  
Several months ago, we learned our new kitten was FELV positive; however, by 
that time three other cats had been infected.  Since Feb., we have lost two 
cats and the third is not doing well.  I have been reading the mail archives 
and have shared info with my vet, but I am now at a loss about what net steps 
to take.  At the beginning of March, Abram started to act differently - not 
interested in food (which is unusual), lethargic, and skittish.  We took him to 
the vet and discovered he also had a fever.  The vet gave him an injection of 
Convenia and put him on Onsior.  He did start eating again, but remained 
lethargic and skittish.  We took him back to the vet last week for blood work, 
which all came back fine.  He also still had a fever so he went back on Onsior. 
 I should also mention that we started him on Interferon in mid-March and just 
started his second 7-day treatment.  His symptoms remain - lethargic, skittish, 
and feeling slightly feverish.  I called the vet today and the only thing they 
can think to do is another injection of Convenia and round of Onsior.  The vet 
said that most likely this all relates to FELV and ultimately there’s not much 
to be done.  Of course, I don’t want to believe that.  Has any one else had a 
FELV cat with persistent fever?  Can T-CYTE be used in conjunction with 
Interferon? Any ideas?  We just can’t bear to lose another one of our loves to 
this.  Thanks in advance for any ideas.  Best, Jennifer
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Re: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

[Amani Oakley]

Jennifer, if you've been reading the archives then you will know that I have 
suggested the use of Doxycycline + Winstrol (Stanazolol) + Prednisone. I don’t 
see that this has been tried by your vet, but it is the only thing I have found 
to work, and it works with other conditions as well.

I would certainly be looking at adding Doxycycline, in any event, since the 
likelihood is that you are dealing with something other than a run-of-the-mill 
bacterial infection, and Doxycycline has effectiveness against a very broad 
spectrum of organisms other than bacteria.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Jennifer Stertzer
Sent: March-25-19 3:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

Hello,  We are in the midst of dealing with a FELV outbreak in our household.  
Several months ago, we learned our new kitten was FELV positive; however, by 
that time three other cats had been infected.  Since Feb., we have lost two 
cats and the third is not doing well.  I have been reading the mail archives 
and have shared info with my vet, but I am now at a loss about what net steps 
to take.  At the beginning of March, Abram started to act differently - not 
interested in food (which is unusual), lethargic, and skittish.  We took him to 
the vet and discovered he also had a fever.  The vet gave him an injection of 
Convenia and put him on Onsior.  He did start eating again, but remained 
lethargic and skittish.  We took him back to the vet last week for blood work, 
which all came back fine.  He also still had a fever so he went back on Onsior. 
 I should also mention that we started him on Interferon in mid-March and just 
started his second 7-day treatment.  His symptoms remain - lethargic, skittish, 
and feeling slightly feverish.  I called the vet today and the only thing they 
can think to do is another injection of Convenia and round of Onsior.  The vet 
said that most likely this all relates to FELV and ultimately there’s not much 
to be done.  Of course, I don’t want to believe that.  Has any one else had a 
FELV cat with persistent fever?  Can T-CYTE be used in conjunction with 
Interferon? Any ideas?  We just can’t bear to lose another one of our loves to 
this.  Thanks in advance for any ideas.  Best, Jennifer
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Re: [Felvtalk] HISTORIC OPPORTUNITY TO PASS FEDERAL ANIMAL CRUELTY BILL

[Amani Oakley]

Just signed! I agree. Very very important issue.

Thanks

Amani

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Re: [Felvtalk] Help please - felv positive kitten

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Wendy

Sounds like you have everything well under control. I think that the fact that 
he was put on four weeks of Doxy for the Bartonella will also help for FeLV, 
though my sense is that I would have kept him on it for another two weeks.

Just keep an eye for any signs of anemia. Keep checking his gums, the inside of 
his ears and his pads. You say his blood work is perfect. Are his reticulocytes 
okay? These are immature red blood cells and they will be depressed with FeLV. 
As long as his haematocrit, haemoglobin and reticulocyte counts are good, you 
are fine.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Mrs MCSE
Sent: March 1, 2019 1:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help please - felv positive kitten

Hello,

We rescued a stray kitten, and he is felv positive.  He is approximately 9 
months old.  He is quarantined.  His blood work is perfect.  He is not 
exhibiting any other felv symptoms.  We treated him for giardia, and tests show 
he is cured of that.  We treated him with doxycycline for 4 weeks for 
bartonella, and he is due to get retested for bartonella at the end of this 
month.  We are giving him rx zyme, rx biotic, and rx essentials in the morning, 
and 1/2 moducare vet in the evening.  We also are giving him organic grain free 
food.

Can anyone recommend a vet who specializes in felv treatment in Ventura County, 
CA, in Southern California, or elsewhere in California?  I called UC Davis, as 
we’d be willing to take our cat to Northern California, but no one has returned 
the calls.  Our local vet admittedly does not treat felv, and we want the best 
for our little cat.  From reading in this group, it seems that our vet is not 
on top of all of the tests and what those results mean.

Also, can anyone recommend any other treatments that we should add or change at 
this point?

Thank you,

Wendy
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Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Nancy

She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long as her blood 
work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears, and pads to 
watch for any paleness which might signify anemia.

I don’t think she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her 
on a long course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I 
have no idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, 
I believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If 
your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6 
weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a 
shot and it works, let the rest of us know.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: February-23-19 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

Hello,  My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV for 3 years.  We took in a 
kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it.  The two were together after 
that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was false.  The kitten was 
actually a positive.  When I tested my other girl, she also had it.  Kitten has 
since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my other girl is still going 
strong.  I had her retested yesterday because you would just never know she has 
it.  It was still positive.  Could she be a carrier?  The vet was very pleased 
with the blood work as it was perfect.  He thought she may be a carrier.  
Wanted to have your thoughts.  Although she is doing so well, should I be 
giving her something to help her?  Maybe to keep the immune system strong?  
Thank you.

Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

[Amani Oakley]

I had my Zander for seven years, mixed with a dozen other cats. I never took 
any precautions at all. It was too late by the time we figured out he had FeLV. 
No other cat ever got the infection.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Lorraine Johnston
Sent: February-22-19 2:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

Thank you. I guess I should have phrased my question to indicate that I was 
concerned about spreading FeLV to my non-FeLV cats. If I understand correctly, 
your cats are, or were, all FeLV-positive, so there would not have been any 
non-FeLV cats to spread it to?

I told my cousin back in December that I would also keep Baby in April when he 
goes way again. So now I’m trying to determine if that’s safe to do, and what 
additional precautions (if any) I should take while she’s here to avoid spread, 
now that we know she’s FeLV-positive.

Thank you,

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: FeLVtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
I have only had FELV  cats but never washed my hands after handling them.  I 
treated all the same and have had no experience of the disease spreading to 
others.  I have had up to 10 at a time as all who came to my house became part 
of my "pride".  As they came to me, I took them to the vet for a checkup, spay 
or neuter and they became mine.

- Original Message -
Hello again,
For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your 
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you 
have your negative cats retested every year?
Thank you,
- Lorraine
"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

[Amani Oakley]

Boy I t blab a lot, don’t I?

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Sandra 
Wachtstetter
Sent: February 21, 2019 9:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro


Lorraine - I am part of the group and have the following into - from Amani - so 
you can see a bit more

From: Amani Oakley
Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I 
too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a 
sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close to 
400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, most 
of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if things 
aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my hands, you’re 
at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to do.

Your email to FeLV talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I 
will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled on 
a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol) which treated my 
Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a medical lab 
technologist, so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on the various 
medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork 
done and would study the results to see which direction his bloodwork was 
going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I 
kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When that was no longer an 
option because he had had a reaction during his last blood transfusion and the 
next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had 
nothing else at all to try but figured what the hell and tried him on Winstrol 
(Stanazalol) which I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him 
alive a bit longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after 
just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his 
profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a 
few days later) showed the first uptick in hematocrit that I had seen with him 
since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by the artificial 
increase in red cells from his transfusions.

I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol for more than 
a year, while his hematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal reference 
range of 25 to 45. Every time I tried to stop or reduce the dosage of winstrol, 
his blood results would show an immediate drop in red cells and hematocrit, so 
even though his liver enzymes went way up (the reason Winstrol had fallen out 
of favour with the vets), I really had no choice but to continue since the vets 
had nothing else to offer me and the alternative was he was going to die from 
the FeLV infection. He recovered fully, looked marvelous and amazing, ate well, 
and his liver enzymes went right back to normal once I discontinued the 
Winstrol – something like 10 months later.

No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed wary 
or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV (except 
mine – who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow and steady 
rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets, until his 
entire hematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time, I was 
understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I believe 
that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone marrow cells 
(something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and thus, new cells 
which could produce the red cells. However, I now also think that the 
combination worked because the Doxycycline was able to retard or slow down the 
viral replication, to allow the red cell production to move ahead with less 
risk that the FeLV would attack the new bone marrow cells. I have been told 
that the prednisone helps protect the liver from the Winstrol, but I also think 
that it’s anti-inflammatory properties helped in areas like intestinal 
inflammation (Zander had lots of trouble eating and keeping the food down). So, 
I think maybe I by accident stumbled on this combination but was able to 
understand what might be happening and why it might have worked, because of my 
scientific/medical training.

Zander lived another 7 years and died from a heart condition which I wondered 
at the time if it was related, and it might have been, but it probably was that 
the virus had done a fair amount of damage to certain organs before I was able 
to get it under control. We loved Zander to a crazy extent, and I wanted him 
with us for longer than 7 years but given that the vets were telling us there 
was no hope when he was only six months old, I guess I must just

Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Lorraine

What I have suggested to many in this group, for treatment of FeLV, is the 
following combination of medications:


Winstrol (Stanazolol) - 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline - 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone - ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day

If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low - like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.



Lorraine, you will very likely encounter great resistance or skepticism 
regarding the use of the Winstrol. It is an anabolic steroid, associated with 
some doping scandals in professional athletics, so it has a bad rap in the 
sports world. I haven't yet figures out why this should matter in the animal 
world, especially since NOTHING else works to turn back on the red cell 
production in FeLV, but I am just warning you that you may get an unexpected 
reaction from the vet. If not, terrific - carry on. If you do, many people in 
this online group have managed to procure it themselves.

I also suggest blood work up front, so you can gauge how well the Winstrol is 
working to address the anemia. The other thing to resist, however, is that 
Winstrol may well bump up liver enzymes - sometimes dramatically. Vets will get 
alarmed at this and will often tell you to discontinue the Winstrol, but I 
would resist this. The liver enzymes almost always go back to normal once the 
Winstrol is discontinued, with no lasting harm to the liver, and there is 
really nothing else to use for this disease.

How long you need to stay on this regimen will depend on the lab results. Once 
the anemia is resolved (haematocrit, haemoglobin and reticulocytes back to 
normal) you may need to continue with the Winstrol for a more time. My 
experience was that every time I wanted to wean my cat off the Winstrol, his 
haematocrit would immediately drop. I kept him on the Winstrol until I didn't 
see a drop in haematocrit when I began to wean him off. My cat's results were 
horrible, before starting the Winstrol. (His haematocrit was FIVE, with ZERO 
percent reticulocytes, and I had given him several blood transfusions, which 
obviously were only a temporary fix.)

I hope this helps.

Amani












From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: February 21, 2019 7:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

Hello,
I'm a new member. While caring for my cousin's cat Baby here in my home during 
his 2-week vacation in Mexico, we had bloodwork done ahead of the dental 
cleaning that my husband and I agreed to have done for her.  She turned up 
positive for FeLeuk on ELISA, IFA, and PCR--the triple whammy. She's already 
slightly anemic.
Baby was first vaccinated against FeLV in Jan. 2018 before her first-ever stay 
with us.  But the booster due at week 3-4 was missed. This was followed by a 
bite puncture in Dec. 2018. So I suspect that first vaccine was worn off by the 
time of the bite.
Baby is 11 and in otherwise good health, so I hope there's a good chance she'll 
still live her "normal span" --and perhaps even die of something unrelated. But 
the anemia is not a  good sign, I'm told.
I am putting together information for my cousin to try to take the edge off of 
the terrible shock this will give him. I'm of course including cautions about 
keeping her indoors, etc., and following up on any symptoms, etc. I hope to put 
off telling him until just before he flies back to the US.
I suspect my cousin would prefer treatments that are oral as opposed to IV. But 
his wife is trained as a nurse, so perhaps they would be willing to try 
difficult-to-administer treatments. I'm not sure how much room their budget has 
for expensive, imported treatments like feline interferon omega.
On general principles: in our home, Baby has been kept entirely separate from 
our own six cats, who are vaccinated against FeLV except for one little guy who 
has FIV whom we avoid over-vaccinating. We have always hand-washed after 
handling Baby or her dishes, even prior to this diagnostic info.
I think I've drawn the complete picture, but please ask if I've left out 
something important.
FWIW, I have a degree in biology and am a medical writer, so I don't scare 
easy, and I understand big words...mostly. (-:

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shelf life for Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Yes – you can use the meds. They don’t even need to be refrigerated and if 
anything the concern would be that being kept in the fridge may expose them to 
moisture. They can be kept at room temperature and dry and they will not 
“expire”. Many meds are like this.

See this link for an interesting discussion about “expiring” medications. 
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-myth-of-drug-expiration-dates

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: February 19, 2019 1:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Shelf life for Winstrol

Hi all,

Around May 2018 I had an anemic Leuk+ cat named Flaqui and bought the regimen 
Amani mentions in the e-mail below this one with the Winstrol, Doxy and 
Prednisolone.   I never got a chance to use the meds with Flaqui as she passed 
before I could do so.   Today I just received the results from bloodwork of 
another Leuk+ cat I have named Buster.  His Hematocrit is at 11.5 and I would 
like to start him on this regimen before he gets any more anemic.   Do you all 
know if I could still use the meds?   They have been kept on the door of my 
fridge since I got them.

Here are Buster's other numbers...

Glucose - 62 Low (normal is 80-200)
Sodium 143
Potassium 4.6
Chloride 113
CO2 13 Low (normal is 15-28)
Sodium/Potassium 31
Anion Gap 22
Serum Osmolality 309
Urea Nitrogen 56.5 High (normal is 15-37.5)
Creatinine 2.0
BUN/Creatinine 28
Total Protein 6.6
Albumin 2.4
Globulin 4.2
A/G Ratio 0.6
Calcim 6.7 Low (8.9-10.9)
Phosphorus 4.8 (2.4-8.0)
CL/P Ratio 24
Bilirubin Total 0.02
Bilirubin Direct 0.02
Alk Phospatase 17
ALT (SGPT) 21
AST (SGOT) 27
GGT 1
Creatine Kinase 139
Cholesterol 158
Triglycerides 30
Amylase 1261
Leukocytes WBC 24.7 High (5.0-17.5)
Erythrocytes RBC 2.54 Low (5.50-10.0)
Hemoglobin 3.4 Low (8.0-15.0)
Hematocrit 11.5 Low (24-46)
MCV 45
MCH 13.2
MCHC 29.1 Low (30-38)
Seg Neutrophils 73
Band Neutrophils 0
Lymphocytes 22
Monocytes 4

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM
To: Maribel Piloto; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp



This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer 
lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet 
will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act 
immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W



Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day

If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.

 Hope this helps! Amani



 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

 Amani,

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must 
have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.

Thanks,   Gary

 On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into 
the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere 
with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I 
believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the 
outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on 
board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.

Amani

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Hi Liz

The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol 
(Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are 
used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid.

Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc.

Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right 
now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down 

Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Shelley. Thanks for clarifying. I really didn’t know that prednisolone could 
have negative effects on the heart. However, I have had the experience of a cat 
with a heart murmur. Eventually, after we had looked after her for a while, the 
heart murmur disappeared.

However, if your cat pants after playing for a while, you are right that one of 
the reasons may well be heart issues.

You obviously have a terrific heart to take in a feral like that and keep him 
when you found he was positive. What a nice person.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, though, again, I kinda feel that in some 
circumstances like FeLV, whether there are potential side-effects from some of 
the meds, there are few choices and I would probably take the risk if my cat 
was doing poorly (as mine was). Thank you though for that information, which I 
definitely did not know. I will have to keep it in mind.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Shelley Theye
Sent: October 18, 2018 6:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

Hi Amani,

I was speaking about corticosteroids- Prednisone or Prednisolone.  Sorry for 
any confusion.
I have a cat, Jack, with heart disease who also has IBD so he cannot have 
steroids.
I believe there is one, which is called Budesonide?  that might act more 
locally in the intestines so
it could be a bit safer if a cat has heart disease.

My FeLV positive cat Leo, who became sick quickly back in 2014, was diagnosed 
with both Lymphoma and
leukemia, his WBC count was through the roof, in the 150,000’s??  I would have 
to go back and look at the notes.
He was @ 5 years old. I trapped him in a neighbor’s yard to TNR, but
he tested positive so I kept him. Anyway, after the vet visit, for mainly 
inappetence, he went downhill
very quickly and I thought the stress of the visit, x-rays, fluids, and pred. 
might have sent him into heart failure too.
That was a guess on my part.  He was an adult feral that I tamed once he tested 
positive for FeLV, and he was so afraid
out of his environment that I never took him to get an echo.  I only suspected 
it as a possibility because he
had a murmur when he was neutered, though not later, and would pant when 
playing too much with feather toy.
Something I will never know and it has always eaten away at me.

I am not in this group much anymore, but read the messages, and just wanted to 
mention to Katy, just in case.
Hopefully not that.

Shelley








On Oct 18, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:

Sorry Shelley – my email below should have read IT ISN”T prednisolone. . .

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: October 18, 2018 4:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

Hi Shelley. Are you speaking about anabolic steroids or corticosteroids? And 
what type in particular? I think that there may be a particular steroid which 
has been linked with heart issues sometimes but it is prednisolone (which is a 
corticosteroid) and it isn’t Winstrol (which is an anabolic steroid).

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Shelley Theye
Sent: October 18, 2018 4:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

Hi Katy,

So sorry that Batman is going through this!

Did they look at Batman’s heart while he was at the vet hospital?  Specifically 
did they do an echocardiogram?  I am guessing that they had no reason to with 
his initial symptoms so they probably didn’t?

Maybe he has heart disease that the steroids have exacerbated... Young cats can 
have it and not have any outward symptoms.  Steroids are contraindicated with 
heart problems.  I think there is one type that can be used, but it is not 
usually given first.

Just throwing this out there just in case.  Steroids could hurt his heart if he 
has undiagnosed heart problem and maybe cause him to act like.
Not to scare you, just to get him treated for it if it is that.

Shelley



On Oct 18, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Katy Brown 
mailto:ktbrow...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Amani,
That is very insightful. I’m not convinced he has lymphoma because his decline 
was so rapid. Within hours he went from walking to having completely rigid 
legs. And today he is starting to decline. I’m wondering if there is something 
else I can give him besides the 5 mg of Prednisolone and the Clindamycin.
The vet said he he keeps declining we could do another form of Chemo which is 
very aggressive and has other side affects and would be a Hail Mary to buy him 
another few days?
I’m just not convinced he has cancer. Even though he is FeLV positive he is 
young to develop a cancer?
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2018, at 12

Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

[Amani Oakley]

Sorry Shelley – my email below should have read IT ISN”T prednisolone. . .

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: October 18, 2018 4:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

Hi Shelley. Are you speaking about anabolic steroids or corticosteroids? And 
what type in particular? I think that there may be a particular steroid which 
has been linked with heart issues sometimes but it is prednisolone (which is a 
corticosteroid) and it isn’t Winstrol (which is an anabolic steroid).

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Shelley Theye
Sent: October 18, 2018 4:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

Hi Katy,

So sorry that Batman is going through this!

Did they look at Batman’s heart while he was at the vet hospital?  Specifically 
did they do an echocardiogram?  I am guessing that they had no reason to with 
his initial symptoms so they probably didn’t?

Maybe he has heart disease that the steroids have exacerbated... Young cats can 
have it and not have any outward symptoms.  Steroids are contraindicated with 
heart problems.  I think there is one type that can be used, but it is not 
usually given first.

Just throwing this out there just in case.  Steroids could hurt his heart if he 
has undiagnosed heart problem and maybe cause him to act like.
Not to scare you, just to get him treated for it if it is that.

Shelley



On Oct 18, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Katy Brown 
mailto:ktbrow...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Amani,
That is very insightful. I’m not convinced he has lymphoma because his decline 
was so rapid. Within hours he went from walking to having completely rigid 
legs. And today he is starting to decline. I’m wondering if there is something 
else I can give him besides the 5 mg of Prednisolone and the Clindamycin.
The vet said he he keeps declining we could do another form of Chemo which is 
very aggressive and has other side affects and would be a Hail Mary to buy him 
another few days?
I’m just not convinced he has cancer. Even though he is FeLV positive he is 
young to develop a cancer?
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoakley@oakleylegalcom>> wrote:
I actually had a few similar experiences. Once it involved two very young 
kittens. Once it involved a cat about a year old. In my opinion, the two 
different experiences had two different causative agents, and at the risk of 
boring you silly, I will try to explain both. Neither, by the way, was well 
understood by the vets, leading me again to the inevitable conclusion that cat 
health is very poorly studied (no where near dog health) and because cats 
respond different to disease and medication, (whereas dogs respond very much 
like people), then science and medicine is way behind in understanding cats.

With respect to the kittens, it was my view that they actually had (and one of 
them still has) Lyme disease. The area I picked them up was one very well-known 
to be endemic for Lyme disease. They had an alternating lameness – once picking 
up one paw which seemed very swollen and sore – and then next day, picking up 
the other paw. I looked this up and saw that this alternating lameness was 
described in dogs with Lyme disease. However, my vet believed that it might be 
calici virus. I didn’t agree with her, but let her treat for calici virus 
(including vaccination). The acute phase of the response seemed to be limited 
in time, and both kittens seemed to get better on their own. However, their 
brother lapsed into a coma – was literally unresponsive for hours while I sat 
up with him. I didn’t know what to do, and my view was that either there was 
inflammation of the meninges (sac surrounding the brain) or an inflammation of 
the brain itself, causing increased intracranial pressure which might also 
result in loss of consciousness. I superdosed him with transdermal prednisone, 
took him to bed with me and kept checking him for hours. Then, suddenly, at 
about 4 in the morning, he just bounded awake, and began playing and 
galavanting all over the bed. Meanwhile, though, one of his two sisters has 
never been the same. She lost HUGE amounts of weight, and even now, as a 2+ 
year old cat, she weighs less than many kittens and she is all bones. I have 
been treating her with a combination of Winstrol, Doxycycline, high prednisone 
doses and magnesium (her muscles don’t work right – like they are constantly 
spastic, and she walks in a funny tip toe way, and has poor coordination 
jumping on things and going up stairs, etc.) Anyhow, she is starting to get 
better, starting to put on weight and starting to walk better. I am convinced 
this was and is Lyme disease, though scientists and vets say that cats don’t 
get it. I don’t know how they know this, becau

Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Shelley. Are you speaking about anabolic steroids or corticosteroids? And 
what type in particular? I think that there may be a particular steroid which 
has been linked with heart issues sometimes but it is prednisolone (which is a 
corticosteroid) and it isn’t Winstrol (which is an anabolic steroid).

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Shelley Theye
Sent: October 18, 2018 4:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

Hi Katy,

So sorry that Batman is going through this!

Did they look at Batman’s heart while he was at the vet hospital?  Specifically 
did they do an echocardiogram?  I am guessing that they had no reason to with 
his initial symptoms so they probably didn’t?

Maybe he has heart disease that the steroids have exacerbated... Young cats can 
have it and not have any outward symptoms.  Steroids are contraindicated with 
heart problems.  I think there is one type that can be used, but it is not 
usually given first.

Just throwing this out there just in case.  Steroids could hurt his heart if he 
has undiagnosed heart problem and maybe cause him to act like.
Not to scare you, just to get him treated for it if it is that.

Shelley




On Oct 18, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Katy Brown 
mailto:ktbrow...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Amani,
That is very insightful. I’m not convinced he has lymphoma because his decline 
was so rapid. Within hours he went from walking to having completely rigid 
legs. And today he is starting to decline. I’m wondering if there is something 
else I can give him besides the 5 mg of Prednisolone and the Clindamycin.
The vet said he he keeps declining we could do another form of Chemo which is 
very aggressive and has other side affects and would be a Hail Mary to buy him 
another few days?
I’m just not convinced he has cancer. Even though he is FeLV positive he is 
young to develop a cancer?
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoakley@oakleylegalcom>> wrote:
I actually had a few similar experiences. Once it involved two very young 
kittens. Once it involved a cat about a year old. In my opinion, the two 
different experiences had two different causative agents, and at the risk of 
boring you silly, I will try to explain both. Neither, by the way, was well 
understood by the vets, leading me again to the inevitable conclusion that cat 
health is very poorly studied (no where near dog health) and because cats 
respond different to disease and medication, (whereas dogs respond very much 
like people), then science and medicine is way behind in understanding cats.

With respect to the kittens, it was my view that they actually had (and one of 
them still has) Lyme disease. The area I picked them up was one very well-known 
to be endemic for Lyme disease. They had an alternating lameness – once picking 
up one paw which seemed very swollen and sore – and then next day, picking up 
the other paw. I looked this up and saw that this alternating lameness was 
described in dogs with Lyme disease. However, my vet believed that it might be 
calici virus. I didn’t agree with her, but let her treat for calici virus 
(including vaccination). The acute phase of the response seemed to be limited 
in time, and both kittens seemed to get better on their own. However, their 
brother lapsed into a coma – was literally unresponsive for hours while I sat 
up with him. I didn’t know what to do, and my view was that either there was 
inflammation of the meninges (sac surrounding the brain) or an inflammation of 
the brain itself, causing increased intracranial pressure which might also 
result in loss of consciousness. I superdosed him with transdermal prednisone, 
took him to bed with me and kept checking him for hours. Then, suddenly, at 
about 4 in the morning, he just bounded awake, and began playing and 
galavanting all over the bed. Meanwhile, though, one of his two sisters has 
never been the same. She lost HUGE amounts of weight, and even now, as a 2+ 
year old cat, she weighs less than many kittens and she is all bones. I have 
been treating her with a combination of Winstrol, Doxycycline, high prednisone 
doses and magnesium (her muscles don’t work right – like they are constantly 
spastic, and she walks in a funny tip toe way, and has poor coordination 
jumping on things and going up stairs, etc.) Anyhow, she is starting to get 
better, starting to put on weight and starting to walk better. I am convinced 
this was and is Lyme disease, though scientists and vets say that cats don’t 
get it. I don’t know how they know this, because they DO NOT TEST cats for it.

Story number two involves a kitten I got who was described as a “wobbly” kitten 
and it was assumed that his mom had suffered a viral infection when he was in 
utero, which can result in this type of neurological damage (and it can be much 
worse). However, when he was very little, he suddenly and without warning, 
decided to s

Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

[Amani Oakley]

I think you’re right that the decline is way too fast to be accounted for, by 
cancer. If it were me, I would give him a high dose of prednisone – 20 mg for 
maybe two days, and then drop back to 5 mg. I would also try him on the 
Winstrol, but in the very short-term, I think it may be the prednisolone which 
might do the best good. However, of course, you’re shooting in the dark because 
it is not clear what your target is. Try the high dose prednisone for a few 
days and see if he responds.

I don’t think that the chemo makes sense if the vet hasn’t identified a tumour 
and of course, the side effects are likely to worsen your cat’s condition. The 
good thing about what I am suggesting is that it may or may not work, but it is 
unlikely to leave him in a worse state, which cannot be said for the chemo. I 
would therefore try the prednisolone and Winstrol before I agreed to more chemo 
if it were my cat.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Katy Brown
Sent: October 18, 2018 3:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

Amani,
That is very insightful. I’m not convinced he has lymphoma because his decline 
was so rapid. Within hours he went from walking to having completely rigid 
legs. And today he is starting to decline. I’m wondering if there is something 
else I can give him besides the 5 mg of Prednisolone and the Clindamycin.
The vet said he he keeps declining we could do another form of Chemo which is 
very aggressive and has other side affects and would be a Hail Mary to buy him 
another few days?
I’m just not convinced he has cancer. Even though he is FeLV positive he is 
young to develop a cancer?
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
I actually had a few similar experiences. Once it involved two very young 
kittens. Once it involved a cat about a year old. In my opinion, the two 
different experiences had two different causative agents, and at the risk of 
boring you silly, I will try to explain both. Neither, by the way, was well 
understood by the vets, leading me again to the inevitable conclusion that cat 
health is very poorly studied (no where near dog health) and because cats 
respond different to disease and medication, (whereas dogs respond very much 
like people), then science and medicine is way behind in understanding cats.

With respect to the kittens, it was my view that they actually had (and one of 
them still has) Lyme disease. The area I picked them up was one very well-known 
to be endemic for Lyme disease. They had an alternating lameness – once picking 
up one paw which seemed very swollen and sore – and then next day, picking up 
the other paw. I looked this up and saw that this alternating lameness was 
described in dogs with Lyme disease. However, my vet believed that it might be 
calici virus. I didn’t agree with her, but let her treat for calici virus 
(including vaccination). The acute phase of the response seemed to be limited 
in time, and both kittens seemed to get better on their own. However, their 
brother lapsed into a coma – was literally unresponsive for hours while I sat 
up with him. I didn’t know what to do, and my view was that either there was 
inflammation of the meninges (sac surrounding the brain) or an inflammation of 
the brain itself, causing increased intracranial pressure which might also 
result in loss of consciousness. I superdosed him with transdermal prednisone, 
took him to bed with me and kept checking him for hours. Then, suddenly, at 
about 4 in the morning, he just bounded awake, and began playing and 
galavanting all over the bed. Meanwhile, though, one of his two sisters has 
never been the same. She lost HUGE amounts of weight, and even now, as a 2+ 
year old cat, she weighs less than many kittens and she is all bones. I have 
been treating her with a combination of Winstrol, Doxycycline, high prednisone 
doses and magnesium (her muscles don’t work right – like they are constantly 
spastic, and she walks in a funny tip toe way, and has poor coordination 
jumping on things and going up stairs, etc.) Anyhow, she is starting to get 
better, starting to put on weight and starting to walk better. I am convinced 
this was and is Lyme disease, though scientists and vets say that cats don’t 
get it. I don’t know how they know this, because they DO NOT TEST cats for it.

Story number two involves a kitten I got who was described as a “wobbly” kitten 
and it was assumed that his mom had suffered a viral infection when he was in 
utero, which can result in this type of neurological damage (and it can be much 
worse). However, when he was very little, he suddenly and without warning, 
decided to squat and pee right in the middle of our bed, and he had never done 
this before. He was looking straight at me and I felt that he didn’t know why 
he was doing what he was doing. Not too long after (a few weeks or

Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

[Amani Oakley]

I actually had a few similar experiences. Once it involved two very young 
kittens. Once it involved a cat about a year old. In my opinion, the two 
different experiences had two different causative agents, and at the risk of 
boring you silly, I will try to explain both. Neither, by the way, was well 
understood by the vets, leading me again to the inevitable conclusion that cat 
health is very poorly studied (no where near dog health) and because cats 
respond different to disease and medication, (whereas dogs respond very much 
like people), then science and medicine is way behind in understanding cats.

With respect to the kittens, it was my view that they actually had (and one of 
them still has) Lyme disease. The area I picked them up was one very well-known 
to be endemic for Lyme disease. They had an alternating lameness – once picking 
up one paw which seemed very swollen and sore – and then next day, picking up 
the other paw. I looked this up and saw that this alternating lameness was 
described in dogs with Lyme disease. However, my vet believed that it might be 
calici virus. I didn’t agree with her, but let her treat for calici virus 
(including vaccination). The acute phase of the response seemed to be limited 
in time, and both kittens seemed to get better on their own. However, their 
brother lapsed into a coma – was literally unresponsive for hours while I sat 
up with him. I didn’t know what to do, and my view was that either there was 
inflammation of the meninges (sac surrounding the brain) or an inflammation of 
the brain itself, causing increased intracranial pressure which might also 
result in loss of consciousness. I superdosed him with transdermal prednisone, 
took him to bed with me and kept checking him for hours. Then, suddenly, at 
about 4 in the morning, he just bounded awake, and began playing and 
galavanting all over the bed. Meanwhile, though, one of his two sisters has 
never been the same. She lost HUGE amounts of weight, and even now, as a 2+ 
year old cat, she weighs less than many kittens and she is all bones. I have 
been treating her with a combination of Winstrol, Doxycycline, high prednisone 
doses and magnesium (her muscles don’t work right – like they are constantly 
spastic, and she walks in a funny tip toe way, and has poor coordination 
jumping on things and going up stairs, etc.) Anyhow, she is starting to get 
better, starting to put on weight and starting to walk better. I am convinced 
this was and is Lyme disease, though scientists and vets say that cats don’t 
get it. I don’t know how they know this, because they DO NOT TEST cats for it.

Story number two involves a kitten I got who was described as a “wobbly” kitten 
and it was assumed that his mom had suffered a viral infection when he was in 
utero, which can result in this type of neurological damage (and it can be much 
worse). However, when he was very little, he suddenly and without warning, 
decided to squat and pee right in the middle of our bed, and he had never done 
this before. He was looking straight at me and I felt that he didn’t know why 
he was doing what he was doing. Not too long after (a few weeks or maybe a 
month), he started showing some very alarming neurological symptoms, including 
a loss of muscle control in the back end. His rectum seemed not tight but loose 
and stool just “fell out” rather than being pushed out. His back legs in 
particular also became very very weak, and he developed a “tripod stance” – 
both back legs together – his back end would sway and he would fall down. My 
knowledge with humans is that this occurs when there is damage to nerves in the 
spinal column, or pressure on them from a herniated disc, or something like 
that (cauda equina syndrome). I took him to the emergency clinic, but I had 
already started him on Winstrol and Prednisolone, assuming that the 
Prednisolone would help with reduction of swelling in the spinal canal and thus 
take pressure off the affected nerves, and the Winstrol might help in healing 
whatever injury there was in the spinal column. By the time they could do an 
MRI on him, he was regaining all function and his gait had become normal. The 
MRI was inconclusive, with the vets thinking that they could possible see the 
remains of a lesion, right in the area where one would expect it to be to 
affect rectal control and muscle function of the back legs, but the lesion 
appeared to be healed over so they couldn’t tell if that was the cause or if 
the lesion was old or new.

It sounds to me like the prednisone you used in your case, has a similar 
effect. There was swelling somewhere, likely in the spinal column as you 
surmise, and the prednisone helped bring down the swelling.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of katy brown
Sent: October 18, 2018 12:21 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive Having Neurological issues.

Hello,
I have an amazing cat named Batman who a year ago as a kitten 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

[Amani Oakley]

I was confused about that because the "re" line said FeLV.

It doesn’t matter though. I have used the medication combo on a cat from a 
feral colony where FIV ran rampant and killed most of the cats. When I took 
mine in, she was very very sick as well. She pulled through on the med 
combination.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria
Sent: October-17-18 10:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

Amani-
FYI
Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.❤️
Gloria


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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy
> 
> I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this 
> chatline.
> 
> I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum:
> 
> I would like to share what I think is very important information with others 
> who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia.
> 
> 
> "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by 
> other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a 
> few times today in response to a few of the posts.
> 
> I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died 
> from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When 
> the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with 
> leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and 
> I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to 
> any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in 
> the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. 
> 
> This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we 
> were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After 
> being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb 
> very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't 
> believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods 
> in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, 
> gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our 
> unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting 
> better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called 
> back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us 
> there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my 
> surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" 
> and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible 
> liver damage associated wit
> h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was 
> dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a 
> potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on 
> a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down 
> to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored 
> our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if 
> I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with 
> a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the 
> Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up.
> 
> The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him 
> to eat when he was so very sick.
> 
> I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and 
> when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day 
> for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and 
> Doxycycline (50 mg) as well.
> 
> I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a 
> science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory 
> medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using 
> this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other 
> situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that 
> it has come through more often than not.
> 
> I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and 
> medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in 
> circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other 
> options and their kitten or cat will die.
> 
> I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of 
> veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Sandy

I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this 
chatline.

I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum:

I would like to share what I think is very important information with others 
who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia.
 

"I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by other 
members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a few 
times today in response to a few of the posts.

I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died 
from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When the 
vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia 
(and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given 
him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great 
degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the 
cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. 
 
This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were 
performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being 
put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very 
quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the 
lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six 
months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to 
check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began 
to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better after only a few days 
on the medication. After about a year, I called back the internal medicine 
veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us there was no hope, and told him 
of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise - and a little bit of anger - 
he said that I had gone "old school" and that Winstrol used to be used but then 
there were rumours of possible liver damage associated wit
 h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was 
dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a 
potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on a 
few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down to 
normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored our 
beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if I 
thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with a 
significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the Winstrol 
for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up.

The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to 
eat when he was so very sick.

I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when 
he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a 
maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and Doxycycline (50 
mg) as well.

I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a 
science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory 
medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this 
knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other 
situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that it 
has come through more often than not.

I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and medical 
community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in circumstances 
where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other options and their 
kitten or cat will die.

I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of 
veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the 
association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific community 
as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising drug. This 
saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean really - does it 
make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver disease, when your 
animal is dying Wouldn't you give that option in those circumstances, and 
let the pet owner understand the risks??? Personally, I think that the risk of 
permanent liver damage is not a significant risk. The information I have been 
able to find - buried so very deeply as to be almost unable to be found on the 
Internet - points to any change in the liver enzymes as being transitory and 
not representing any lasting liver damage. That was certainly our experience. 
Because Zander's condition was so dire, even when his liver enzymes
  started to go up, I decided to keep him on the Winstrol because I could see 
that his bone marrow had turned back on again and he was producing red cells ( 
with his reticulocyte level starting to go up 

Re: [Felvtalk] Spice didn't make it

[Amani Oakley]

Judith

I am so sorry. It is heartbreaking, I know. I too wish the vet community would 
get cracking on finding a cure for this horrible disease, but my experience is 
that there is very little research or interest in looking into cat health, 
because too many people consider them disposable and will not spend huge 
amounts of money on them (unlike dogs). Groups like this one are doing what we 
can to share our experiences to help others in the same boat, and I so wish we 
could have helped Spice.

But Spice was obviously so loved and she would have known that. My heart is 
tortured, knowing there are so many others out there who will never know the 
kindness and love that Spice was lucky enough to have had in her life. And yes. 
Please go out there and pick up a few stray kittens to tame. Ferals make 
excellent companions, especially if you can catch them early on. Share your 
wonderful home with other babies who need one.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of judith 
cook
Sent: August-14-18 4:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice didn't make it

I have been putting off and putting off this letter.  I had high hopes for 
Spice.  She started out responding well to the treatment, and I really thought 
that we'd make it.  However, after about a month, she suddenly started having 
trouble breathing.  The vet took x-rays, and she had an enlarged  heart, was 
retaining water in her abdomen, and had a tumor on her liver.  I decided that 
she'd had enough, and had her euthanized.  She was purring the whole time, and 
went quietly as I petted her.  Thank all of you for your encouragement and your 
information and your research.  I do wish we'd find a sure-fire cure, and 
REALLY wish people would get their cats vaccinated young.  My big cat, Budda, 
misses her, I can tell, even though they were not close buddies.  There are a 
couple of stray kittens who have showed up in on my street, and I'm going to 
try to catch and tame them.  I've done it before, and contrary to common 
opinion, I have found that they make fine pets.  My best to all of you and your 
kitties.
Judy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Spice

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Judith. I think that Diamondback had provided Winstrol in a liquid form to 
others on this chatline. I have no experience at all with that so I cannot 
comment. My vet uses a compounding pharmacy which makes the Winstrol in small 1 
mg tablets which I find easy to pill.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of judith cook
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice

I am elated!  My vet just called wanting to know the tel.# of Diamondback Drugs 
and wanting to verify that the Winstrol comes in tablets that can be used in 
1mg doses.  I had assumed that this was the case - am I right?  She had called 
her regular drug supplier who only had it in 25mg tablets.  Anyway, gave her 
the tel. #.  Spice is already on doxycyline (for 2 days) but not prednizone.  I 
am so encouraged that my vet is receptive to this treatment.  I suppose 
because…. well, might as well try it.  Please advise, and thank you all!
Judy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Spice

[Amani Oakley]

Sorry – I should have answered about the duration of treatment too. No, she 
wouldn’t be on it forever. Monitor the blood work until the anemia is REALLY 
gone and monitor the blood work after you wean her off the Winstrol. Prepare to 
put her back on until she stabilizes. Expect an increase in liver function 
enzymes, but as far as my experience goes, the rise is temporary and the 
enzymes go back to normal once the Winstrol is discontinued.

The duration of time of treatment really just depends on how long it takes for 
the anemia to resolve, and the red cell indices to remain within the normal 
reference ranges in a stable fashion.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of judith 
cook
Sent: June-16-18 7:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice

My cat Spice is a 7 yr. old female calico/torti that I have had for 3 years.  
She was a stray and tested FeL+ when I first took her to the vet.  At the time, 
she presented no symptoms, and remained that way until January of this year 
when she stopped eating.  At that time she was NOT anemic, and her blood tests 
showed that she probably had some kind of cold - low fever, and some kind of 
infection.  It took her about three months and some special antibiotics (or 
some kind of drops) but she recovered, although she has never gotten back her 
hefty appetite or all of her lost weight.  I just took her for her 6 month 
checkup and her blood test showed some pretty significant anemia, enough that 
she could get a transfusion.  We decided to give her a B12 shot and pills for 
now, as she does not seem overly sick. Also, it does not seem to me that 
transfusions do much good for our FeL+ kitties from the posts I've read.

I  am ready to put her on the Winstrol - doxycycline - prednesolone regimen if 
I can get it, but I am wondering if it would do any good considering her age.  
Also, would she have to be on this regimen forever, or  would she have periods 
off of it or would it just depend?  When I took Spice in for her "cold" in 
January, my vet said that she could give my cat steroids but that they might 
kill her.  Do you know anything about that?  I know that Winstrol is a steroid. 
Do you think that the Winstrol-doxycycline-prednesolone is a good idea for 
Spice or not?  I aim thinking yes, if I can get my vet to prescribe some.  It 
seems like Winstrol is a kind of "miracle" medicine (like most steroids)

Thank all of you for the information I've gotten from your posts.  I am sorry 
if I am asking redundant questions, but I didn't find those answers from the 
posts.  I want my Spice to live a good life for as long as she can without 
putting her through all kinds of stress.

Thanks again
Judy


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Re: [Felvtalk] Spice

[Amani Oakley]

Judy

The Winstrol combo may help regardless of her age. I have had a 16 year old cat 
with a sarcoma on it, and it helped tremendously with things like appetite and 
better mood (playing more, etc.)

I don’t know why Winstrol wouldn’t work to assist with the anemia just because 
of age. It doesn’t always work but I have seen some pretty good responses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of judith 
cook
Sent: June-16-18 7:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice

My cat Spice is a 7 yr. old female calico/torti that I have had for 3 years.  
She was a stray and tested FeL+ when I first took her to the vet.  At the time, 
she presented no symptoms, and remained that way until January of this year 
when she stopped eating.  At that time she was NOT anemic, and her blood tests 
showed that she probably had some kind of cold - low fever, and some kind of 
infection.  It took her about three months and some special antibiotics (or 
some kind of drops) but she recovered, although she has never gotten back her 
hefty appetite or all of her lost weight.  I just took her for her 6 month 
checkup and her blood test showed some pretty significant anemia, enough that 
she could get a transfusion.  We decided to give her a B12 shot and pills for 
now, as she does not seem overly sick. Also, it does not seem to me that 
transfusions do much good for our FeL+ kitties from the posts I've read.

I  am ready to put her on the Winstrol - doxycycline - prednesolone regimen if 
I can get it, but I am wondering if it would do any good considering her age.  
Also, would she have to be on this regimen forever, or  would she have periods 
off of it or would it just depend?  When I took Spice in for her "cold" in 
January, my vet said that she could give my cat steroids but that they might 
kill her.  Do you know anything about that?  I know that Winstrol is a steroid. 
Do you think that the Winstrol-doxycycline-prednesolone is a good idea for 
Spice or not?  I aim thinking yes, if I can get my vet to prescribe some.  It 
seems like Winstrol is a kind of "miracle" medicine (like most steroids)

Thank all of you for the information I've gotten from your posts.  I am sorry 
if I am asking redundant questions, but I didn't find those answers from the 
posts.  I want my Spice to live a good life for as long as she can without 
putting her through all kinds of stress.

Thanks again
Judy


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[Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

[Amani Oakley]

Jennifer – I actually answered you yesterday, but the darned email was caught 
up by the FeLV filter which captures emails that have too long an email trail.

I have cut out some of the earlier emails to enable the email to go through 
(hopefully).

Amani

From: Amani Oakley
Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I 
too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a 
sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close to 
400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, most 
of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if things 
aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my hands, you’re 
at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to do.

Your email to felv talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I 
will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled on 
a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol) which treated my 
Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a medical lab 
technologist so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on the various 
medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got weekly bloodwork 
done and would study the results to see which direction his bloodwork was 
going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of prednisone/Doxy) and I 
kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When that was no longer an 
option because he had had a reaction during his last blood transfusion and the 
next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my drawer of cat meds, and had 
nothing else at all to try but figured what the hell, and tried him on Winstrol 
(Stanazalol) which I thought might at least keep him eating and maybe keep him 
alive a bit longer. To my complete and utter amazement and disbelief, after 
just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory white gums and inner ears (signs of his 
profound anemia) started showing a slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a 
few days later) showed the first uptick in haematocrit that I had seen with him 
since the FeLV crisis had begun, which was not brought on by the artificial 
increase in red cells from his transfusions.

I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol  for more than 
a year, while his haematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal 
reference range of 25 to 45. Everytime I tried to stop or reduce the dosage of 
winstrol, his blood results would show an immediate drop in red cells and 
haematocrit, so even though his liver enzymes went way up (the reason Winstrol 
had fallen out of favour with the vets), I really had no choice but to continue 
since the vets had nothing else to offer me and the alternative was he was 
going to die from the FeLV infection. He recovered fully, looked marvelous and 
amazing, ate well, and his liver enzymes went right back to normal once I 
discontinued the Winstrol – something like 10 months later.

No one seemed to know this combination, and the vets I spoke with seemed wary 
or suspicious that this combination would indeed be helpful in FeLV (except 
mine – who had of course seen the weekly blood work showing a slow and steady 
rise in red cells and ultimately, in white cells and platelets, until his 
entire haematological profile looked perfectly fine). At the time, I was 
understandably extremely excited by the effects of the Winstrol and I believe 
that the Winstrol was able to cause the production of new bone marrow cells 
(something it has been found to do in osteoporotic women) and thus, new cells 
which could produce the red cells. However, I now also think that the 
combination worked because the Doxycycline was able to retard or slow down the 
viral replication, to allow the red cell production to move ahead with less 
risk that the FeLV would attack the new bone marrow cells. I have been told 
that the prednisone helps protect the liver from the Winstrol, but I also think 
that it’s anti-inflammatory properties helped in areas like intestinal 
inflammation (Zander had lots of trouble eating and keeping the food down). So, 
I think maybe I by accident stumbled on this combination, but was able to 
understand what might be happening and why it might have worked, because of my 
scientific/medical training.

Zander lived another 7 years and died from a heart condition which I wondered 
at the time if it was related, and it might have been, but it probably was that 
the virus had done a fair amount of damage to certain organs before I was able 
to get it under control. We loved Zander to a crazy extent, and I sure as hell 
wanted him with us for longer than 7 years, but given that the vets were 
telling us there was no hope when he was only six months old, I guess I must 
just be grateful

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

[Amani Oakley]

;  to 
be neutered in couple weeks;   10lbs  (needs gain some);   Bad stomatitis
(i’ll send pic if u want ):

A) what’s ur feeling about putting him
back outside?(I’ve never done that;  he could get by but My feeling is he 
shouldn’t be in the elements and would do better inside)—- just not sure what 
will happen if there are no other good options.

B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan?  (I know it’s 
hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one 
he knew of was patient’s who lived to 8y/o.   What’s ur feeling of assessing if 
he could last a while or if things could go south quickly??
I guess i’m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be.

C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis.  In 
doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test.  It seems if it’s 
pos. too, that it’s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it.

Thanks!
Jennifer



On Jun 9,r  2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Jennifer – from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post 
where you are.

Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline – 50 mg. daily, 
for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn’t showing 
other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even 
if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be 
considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral 
replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and 
had good results. (I won’t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline 
is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new 
inquiries☺.)

I think what you’re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a 
very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn’t have a cat 
already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a 
cat with significant responsibilities – at least into the future. Anyone with a 
cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying 
about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may 
be an option.

Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the 
fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had 
both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, 
my vet would warn that this would “clear out my house” when it came to the 
other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP 
positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on 
kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My 
FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very 
ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during 
this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have 
had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don’t ask - 
taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with 
FIP – AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in 
a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October – again, so far so good.

Amani



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Jennifer Minnich
Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

Hello,   I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted;  not even sure how.
I think I tried and never worked.
Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter?  
Please I hope u will read this.   Thank you.

A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double 
positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed 
wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I 
was so happy he’d eat!
Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable.

My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt.

Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him 
by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double
positive-:(,and has very bad stomatitis.   I got antibiotics, and am gonna 
give with collodial silver.   He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks.  They 
think he is
5-6 y/o.

 I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don’t 
want to expose my cats.

 Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn’t seem too super viable 
unless we separate him and we’d wonder or worry about possible cross 
contamination.
Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn’t seem practical as it would get costly and 
concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy.

Which leads me to: 

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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin
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Thank you, I appreciate this.

Marlene

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get 
> her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, 
> or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to 
> watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get 
> stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had 
> that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and 
> all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and 
> ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that 
> the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in 
> liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of 
> proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what 
> happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has 
> improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a 
> tetracycline) to ha
 ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address 
whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
>  On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman
> Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin
>
> Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of 
> a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme 
> nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every 
> week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic.
>
> The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no 
> issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been 
> able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people.
>
> That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, 
> with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else 
> further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating 
> this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is 
> the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a 
> worsening.
>
> Thoughts ?
> M
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Marlene
>
> I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no 
> problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned.
>
> I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. 
> Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for 
> kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when 
> my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little 
> kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost 
> blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other 
> cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it.
>
> With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and 
> his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no 
> advice otherw

Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

[Amani Oakley]

In my world, my perspective is usually, it can’t hurt. I would at least get her 
on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, or 
not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to watch 
with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get stuck in a 
cat’s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had that problem 
but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and all you can get 
are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and ensure that the cat 
is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down 
properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. 
I suspect that the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of 
time it actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link 
between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of 
Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to have a truly 
remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is 
causing the other nose and eye infections.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Marlene Snowman
Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of a 
nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme nose 
infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every week 
thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic.

The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no 
issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been able 
to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people.

That being said, I’m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, 
with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else 
further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn’t working on eliminating 
this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is the 
time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a worsening.

Thoughts ?
M



Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Hi Marlene

I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no 
problems, I wouldn’t be too concerned.

I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. 
Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, 
then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat 
Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when 
we first got him – worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with 
gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more 
than 7 years and no one else got it.

With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his 
blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice 
otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were 
relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn’t treated with anything 
after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in 
September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from 
September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with 
blood transfusions and trying every option out there – LTCI, interferon, etc. 
He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn’t until 
I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing 
turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb 
slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight 
with the blood transfusions.

I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating 
Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, 
and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the 
ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I 
would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating 
with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is 
there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is 
really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn’t go on 
to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would 
never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, 
I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the 
absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment 
course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an

Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Marlene

I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no 
problems, I wouldn’t be too concerned.

I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. 
Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for kittens, 
then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when my cat 
Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little kitten when 
we first got him – worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost blind with 
gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other cats for more 
than 7 years and no one else got it.

With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and his 
blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no advice 
otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV positive, we were 
relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn’t treated with anything 
after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with a vengeance in 
September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 to 45), and from 
September and from September to December, we fought to keep him alive, with 
blood transfusions and trying every option out there – LTCI, interferon, etc. 
He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that time. It wasn’t until 
I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get a startling and amazing 
turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit finally beginning to climb 
slowly but steadily out of the terribly low numbers we had been trying to fight 
with the blood transfusions.

I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating 
Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, 
and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the 
ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I 
would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating 
with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is 
there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there is 
really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn’t go on 
to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat would 
never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind anyway, 
I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline in the 
absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended treatment 
course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, and what is being 
hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus.

I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline 
is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature 
phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round 
worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a group 
of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR later, 
one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn’t figure out what had 
happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes – I am totally 
embarrassed – long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a whole lot of 
very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle of round worms 
has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including the eyes, and 
these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY responded to oral 
doxycycline – ie – nothing topical and no other antibiotics. Anyway, I’ll save 
you all my pondering and research on this, and my ultimate conclusion that 
deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the 
immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the 
cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and 
heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the 
intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with 
this other issue at the same time.

Whew.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Marlene Snowman
Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 
year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms 
showed. I didn’t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should 
also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I 
be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to 
the winstrol at a later date?

Any advice is appreciated

Marlene
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Hi JoAnne

If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what

Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

[Amani Oakley]

Hi JoAnne

If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might 
transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake.

My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of Doxycycline. 
I don't know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would be 25 mg daily. 
I don't think you need to start right away - give him some time to eat, bulk, 
recover from the other things like worms, etc.

You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to 
prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of Winstrol 
(Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I recommend, and had 
a very good response from, is:

Winstrol - 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline - 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone - ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of JoAnne 
Kraun
Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin


I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online.  He was born on March 
20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him.  He was covered in fleas so I 
took him straight to the vet.  They said he also had tapeworms.  He was treated 
for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of vaccines.  His weight 
was 2.1 lbs.  They tested him for FIV and FeLV.  About 10 minutes after I got 
home, they called me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive. 
 I have been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint positive 
could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have a normal positive 
next time he is tested, and also that a faint positive is the same as a regular 
positive. He is not sick now.  He eats a lot.  I have been feeding him Orijen 
dry food and both Weruva and Wellness Core canned food.  He seems to be gaining 
weight.  He looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten.  He is very 
affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after 
he wears himself at night.



Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online 
indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before he 
starts to get sick.  I have never had a cat with this disease.   Everything I 
find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to  clear the virus 
and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky.



I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, 
before he starts to get sick.  Regardless of how long I have him, he will be 
loved and cared for.  He is already very spoiled.   I just can't even picture 
this little guy being sick.  He is such a good little cat.  I call him Q.



I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago.  I 
haven't had a kitten for 17 years.  I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult cat 
may be too stressed around my big dogs.  The Cavalier is fine, but I also have 
2 Akitas.  My other cat was fine with the Akitas.  She was not afraid of them 
at all.  Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give 
him kisses.  I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one 
of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q.  The 
Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily.  Q seems to be a very 
laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he is around us.



What can I expect?  Will he start getting sick in a few months?  Do they just 
quit eating or what happens?   I would like to think that Q will be one of the 
lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be realistic.  I 
just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have with us.






JoAnne
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question

[Amani Oakley]

I think you’re low on the doxycycline. If you’re going to give it twice a day, 
stick to ¼ twice a day.

Also, if Oliver has trouble keeping food down (as my Zander did when I put this 
“protocol” together) I added metoclopramide ¼ tablet a little before I would 
feed him.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Oliver Mccann
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question

Hi everyone,

My cat Oliver is 3.5 and has been diagnosed with FeLV and appears to have non 
regenerative anemia. So far he has been through 5 blood transfusions over the 
last month, the first 3 in the hospital in the first 6 days, and now he seems 
to be about a week to nine days in between. We couldn't get him stable enough 
to do a bone marrow aspiration before we started him on steroids so we don't 
have the full picture, but I want to do whatever I can to help.

I have perused the archives and I think I have come up with a treatment plan 
but I want to run it by everyone to see if I am doing it right.

So far I have seen the best treatment option to be


Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day



Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day



Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
This is the most common treatment I see you guys recommend. Right now he is 
only on Prednisolone.

I have read about Acemannan and Sodium Ascorbate treatments that may work but I 
haven't seen any info on that in the archives. Also what so you guys think 
about LTCI?

Thanks is advance. We have insurance on the little guy so $$ is not much of a 
problem. We are willing to try anything.

Cheers,

-Ben Pavlichek
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone

[Amani Oakley]

Maribel, I think that is really an issue of comfort for you and for your cat. I 
personally prefer to do it all at once, because I prefer not to have to 
constantly be grabbing my cat, all day long, and giving her/him more meds. I 
therefore prefer to prolong the single session rather than break it into 
multiple sessions. I suggest that you might consider holding off on the 
iron/B12 supplement for now. Most supplements, vitamins, etc., don’t need to be 
given daily anyway.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Maribel Piloto
Sent: May-16-18 6:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone

Ok guys - thanks to ALL the help from everyone - I got the Winstrol, Doxy and 
Prednisolone (all in liquid from Diamondback Drugs) and I'm ready to start my 
Flaqui on this to treat her anemia.  One more question - I give Flagui 
Liqui-Tinic which is an iron/B-12 supplement 1ml twice a day.  Now I have to 
incorporate these other three medicines into her regiment.  So should I give 
all these liquids to her at the same time?  Should I wait for an hour or more 
in between liquids.  It seems like a lot of liquids and different medicines to 
give at the same time and I suspect it would REALLY stress her out (she isn't 
the easiest of cats to medicate).  What do you guys do with your cats?

Thanks.
Maribel & Flaqui

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


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Re: [Felvtalk] Reconstituted Doxy

[Amani Oakley]

If you scrape the pill through butter, thus coating it with a bit of butter, 
this helps ensure it doesn’t get stuck. I have never had an issue with the 
pills, with or without the butter trick, but I have heard that this has 
happened, and so, vets are a bit more cautious in this regard.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: May-13-18 6:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reconstituted Doxy

We usually  givery Doxycycline liquid at the shelter. If given in pill form 
water has to be forced down throat as well because of issues with damage to 
esophagus.

I have never heard of doxy as a chewy treat. That is great. My default is 
transdermal :-).

On Sun, May 13, 2018, 2:22 PM ROBERT CHAPEL 
<bcha...@optonline.net<mailto:bcha...@optonline.net>> wrote:
My recollection re: the stand against Doxy Tabs is that they are often
large and hard to get all the way down the cats throat without getting
stuck   I DO apologize that it's been so long since I was giving my
cats Doxy in pill form successfully( had found a coated small pill)
but... if you can afford it ...diamondback drugs can formulate tasty
chewies with Doxy that many cats love ( mine ate them down with relish)
Believe Sandy might be able to weigh in on this?? Don't have
experience with liquid form... but be assured there iis always a way a
drug can be administered to a cat... if one has the time, ability and
funds   The chewies are not cheap

Bob in Warwick NY


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> Hi Amani and everyone else who?s been helping me with this post - I
> shared the recommended drug protocol with a friend of mine who isn?t a
> vet but has worked for years in animal rescue and has also worked at
> both the local Humane Society and the local county shelter.  She also
> attends a lot of vet conferences.  She sent me the following...
>
>> If your vet is willing to prescribe this regimen, I'd give it a try
>> with one CRITICAL CHANGE.  NEVER use doxycycline tablets/capsules
>> with cats as doxy can cause esophageal strictures.  You can get
>> compounded doxycycline is 50 mg/ml, so dose would be 0.4 - 0.5 ml
>> twice a day.
>
> Do you foresee any issues with using the Doxy in liquid format?   I
> also wanted to get the Prednisolone in liquid as Flaqui is very
> difficult to pill.
>
> Thanks
> Maribel
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are
> treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
>
>> On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so
>> very often now.
>>  Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the
>> effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because
>> erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With
>> FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three
>> cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken
>> over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can
>> no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The
>> erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them
>> to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer
>> do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the
&

Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp

[Amani Oakley]

There is no problem with the recommended change.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Maribel Piloto
Sent: May-13-18 1:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp

Hi Amani and everyone else who’s been helping me with this post - I shared the 
recommended drug protocol with a friend of mine who isn’t a vet but has worked 
for years in animal rescue and has also worked at both the local Humane Society 
and the local county shelter.  She also attends a lot of vet conferences.  She 
sent me the following...

If your vet is willing to prescribe this regimen, I'd give it a try with one 
CRITICAL CHANGE.  NEVER use doxycycline tablets/capsules with cats as doxy can 
cause esophageal strictures.  You can get compounded doxycycline is 50 mg/ml, 
so dose would be 0.4 - 0.5 ml twice a day.

Do you foresee any issues with using the Doxy in liquid format?   I also wanted 
to get the Prednisolone in liquid as Flaqui is very difficult to pill.

Thanks
Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often 
now.

Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of 
erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells 
the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in 
the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, 
platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means 
that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or 
platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling 
them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do 
that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst 
results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had 
given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the 
bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM
To: Maribel Piloto; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp


This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer 
lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet 
will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act 
immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W



Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day

If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.

 Hope this helps! Amani



 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

 Amani,

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must 
have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.

Thanks,   Gary

 On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into 
the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere 
with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I 
believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the 
outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on 
board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.

Amani

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Hi Liz

The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol 
(Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are 
used to getting, li

Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp

[Amani Oakley]

Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often 
now.

Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of 
erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells 
the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in 
the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, 
platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means 
that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or 
platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling 
them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do 
that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst 
results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had 
given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the 
bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM
To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp


This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer 
lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet 
will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act 
immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W



Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day

If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.

 Hope this helps! Amani



 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

 Amani,

Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must 
have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.

Thanks,   Gary

 On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Hi Sherri

I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into 
the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere 
with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I 
believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the 
outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on 
board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising.

Amani

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Hi Liz

The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol 
(Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are 
used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid.

Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc.

Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right 
now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or 
inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA duplication. 
The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but neither of these 
helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly and very quickly on 
the bone marrow and seems to get red cells generated again, quite promptly. At 
least it did for my Zander, and I have been contacted directly by several 
people from this group, who have reported to me that they also saw almost 
immediate (within 3 days) evidence of their cats’ gums/ears/pads pinkening up.

The problem is that Winstrol is a controversial drug because it is also what 
professional athletes use to get bigger, stronger and faster. Quite 
unfortunately (since none of our cats are entering the Olympics) that 
association with doping scandals has cast a shadow on its use in both animal 
and people medicine. In human medicine, it is the only drug found to be 
effective in treating hereditary angioedema and anemia.

Here is a blurb I found about it:

Winstrol was first invented in 1959

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Maribel

Probably removing the teeth is the way to go. I don’t think it would hurt to 
have the Depo shot. Obviously, there is an infection and anything which might 
help to clear up the infection or reduce the swelling from the infection, would 
be beneficial.

One other thing to suggest is use of Prednisolone 5 mg a day, which will also 
help reduce swelling and therefore pain.

Regarding the baby food, on the contrary, it is an ideal food for cats. It has 
a lot of vitamins, fat, protein, etc. I have saved more than my fair share of 
cats by feeding them strictly baby food by syringe until they were healthy 
enough to eat on their own. If he takes the baby food on his own, great. If 
not, see how many syringe-fulls you can get in. Also consider using the “juice” 
from a can of tuna, and/or puree the tuna with some water and syringe that up, 
if he will not eat it on his own.

With cats, I have always found that the trick is to get enough food into them 
to allow their bodies to start to heal. If they won’t eat sufficient food on 
their own, I will syringe-feed them with some intensity, since there is a 
saw-off point when they begin to feel better and their appetite increases, thus 
requiring less of the syringe-feeding.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Maribel Piloto
Sent: April-24-18 2:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats

Hi all,

I have a very sweet indoor-only gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 yrs of 
age sadly tested positive for FeLV.   Spencer has developed stomatitis which 
makes it very hard for him to eat.  He had always enjoyed his food but in the 
last few months it's gotten to the point where he only gets in one or two licks 
before he yelps and runs away in pain.  He's lost weight as a result.  I know 
that for stomatitis, the long-term solution is usually a full-mouth extraction 
of all teeth.   In May I will be getting a bonus at work and plan on taking him 
to a dentist I've used many times before to get him evaluated for the procedure 
and probably have it done.   In the meantime, I've been giving him a powder 
called Plaque Off which is supposed to help with stomatitis.  I can get Spencer 
to eat the baby food that comes in these tiny jars and is just 
chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix the powder with that.  So far, it 
hasn't been doing much.   In the past, when I've had otherwise healthy cats 
with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every other month or a 
couple of times a year and this has cleared the swelling.  Depo is a steroid 
which reduces inflammation but also, suppresses the immune system.

For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in FeLV...

do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go?

Do you think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo to 
alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction in May?

Spencer likes those jars of baby food but I'm sure they don't have all the 
nutrition a cat needs.  Any supplements you can recommend that I could add to 
those - giving him something by mouth is impossible.

Would appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share.

Maribel & Spencer

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

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Re: [Felvtalk] Maynard-Tabby Boy

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Mirna

It is a bit difficult to determine why your little boy may be having seizures.

With all the things he has on board (FeLV, possible worms, infection, not 
eating) I would contemplate that some of his levels (like calcium or magnesium) 
may be low. Try getting these things in liquid form or make them up in liquid 
form, and provide them orally with a syringe. Keep him trying to eat – use baby 
food and Wiskas kitten milk in syringes to keep his food intake up.

He may need some anti-seizure medication for now – phenobarbital, diazepam or 
gabapentin. He should be given an injectable at the vets – diazepam or 
phenobarb. Don’t leave him at the vets if you can help it. He needs to be home 
and in a quiet place. It seems like maybe these are stress seizures, which are 
rare in cats, but can happen. Get him home, get him warm, keep him eating. Get 
your vet to prescribe the following combination of meds for FeLV:

5 mg daily of prednisolone (or giving half, twice a day)
1 mg x 2 a day of stanazolol (winstrol)
50 mg Doxycycline, twice a day

The one you’ll have trouble getting is the Winstrol, but it is the key to 
recovery. It will help improve his appetite, put weight on, make him feel 
better, and improve his red cell production. Your vet will probably never have 
heard of it, or if he does, he will be against it (it is an anabolic steroid). 
Your vet will need to order it from a compounding pharmacy.

Good luck with your little boy.

Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of mirna m
Sent: April-23-18 5:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Maynard-Tabby Boy

Hi!
I am new here:)I have absolutely no experience with FeLV but my rescue group 
does,but this last cat has us all confused.I picked up a small boy last 
wednesday,about a year old, extremely emaciated,1.5kg, 39.7 degrees Celsius 
temperature,severe nasal and occular discharge ,difficulty swollowing.As it was 
evening, he got the basic atb's, Baytril and Gentamicine and we went home.This 
is were the real trouble stared as he wouldn't eat.I situated him in another 
building in the yard,as I have 8 cats,all of them rescues. Next morning we 
hurried to the vet,and after doing the test,he was FeLV positive.He stayed for 
an IV,and in the afternoon I picked him up.He also got uniflox 
eyedrops,something for his ear parasites,and I clean his nose,and that is it.He 
was too weak for deworming or anything else.He started eating that same 
afternoon,gotten a lot better but due to a nose discharge,the vet changed his 
atb yesterday to amoxycillin and gentamicin...and it was fine untill this 
morning.We went to the vet,he got his shots and as soon as I put him back in 
the transporter to go home,he had a seizure.My heart stopped as I thought he 
was having an anaphylactic shock.But he came back in seconds,and I left him so 
he can get therapy and IV fluids.Came back on the afternoon,we made 
arrangements we would just go back on Baytril the next morning.Started walking 
to m car,he started a series of sneezes,unable to stop,and there it was again,a 
really short .I rushed him back in, but by the time he was on the table,he was 
fine.The vet gave him glucocorticoids(I know they are bad)in case of a 
continuous allergy reaction.I really don't know what is wrong.He started 
getting better,even gained 0.2kg in a few days and now this.I did not want to 
leave him there as he is uncomfortable and no one works there at night.We got 
home,he was incredibly hungry and wanted to eat a lot,also we cuddled and I 
left him.Usually,since the moment I picked him up,he would usually go to sleep 
but now he just sits,like he is waiting for me.I want him to rest and to 
sleep.I am so afraid of tomorrow morning an his shots.I really don't know if 
this was stress or a real reaction to drugs,or epilepsy or something else.Also 
a bit worried because of glucocorticoids.Any insight would be helpful and truly 
appreciated.Sorry for the long post.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[Amani Oakley]

No – it depends on the parasite load.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: February-26-18 5:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?

~~@~@~@~@~@

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beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have 
remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move 
through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs.  
During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and 
causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which 
then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. 
Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the 
immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in 
order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some 
negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, 
was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), 
and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed 
an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have 
had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and 
treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all 
mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. 
I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm 
infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I 
treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain 
and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also 
found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens 
through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the 
first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, 
the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while 
nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I 
couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new 
cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and 
really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no 
antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and 
did a bit of research.

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that 
leads to any improvement.

Amani

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs”
 I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to 
have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to 
use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was 
sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this 
foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a 
couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change 
course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get 
dehydrated  He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner 
well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a 
lifespan placement


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Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[Amani Oakley]

 my students about a 
> 6+-year-old
> boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the 
> southern
> tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took 
> home a
> FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a 
> home
> and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
> giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my 
> Master
> suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his 
> Sunny
> and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
>
>> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
>> to
>> unsubscribe
>>
>> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
>> months
>> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ 
>> for a
>> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
>> mercifully, so
>> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of 
>> the
>> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their 
>> exposure
>> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this 
>> cutie
>> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy 
>> in
>> isolation here at our shelter. He needs company
>>
>> Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing 
>> pretty
>> well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
>> life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is 
>> still
>> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to 
>> control
>> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.
>>
>> Bob in Warwick NY
>>
>>
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> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an 
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They 
> used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they 
> used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount 
> of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get 
> him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had 
> life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.
>
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something 
> like a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to help ?
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>
>
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
> to unsubscribe
>
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
> months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
> FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
> mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
> and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
> had their exposure  Think we might already have a place that will 
> give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a family... but better 
> than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter. He 
> needs company
>
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing 
> pretty well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
> lease on life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER 
> Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking 
> for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have 
> failed so far.
>
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 06:28 PM, 
> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Bob

I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I posted in 
reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't received any emails 
in weeks.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group  I've gotten 
nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of messages..ALL of which I 
have received multiple times before.
Has there been other information going back and forth for the past couple of 
weeks??


HOWEVER:  In relation to FIV...   it has clearly NOT been our experience at the 
shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near as deadly as FELV and we 
don't ever suggest that it is to potential adopters...
Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't even get 
the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the beginning of Winter 
I've been volunteering there for 4 years and have seen only one of our FIV's 
die and that from the scourge of FIV's ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) 
thankfully it did not claim any others ( until months later when a couple of 
FeLV residents died)... but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite 
healthy  Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting 
an FIV over an FeLV Kitty
QUESTION:

 --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +
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> [Felvtalk] Question
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> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 
> afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 
> arsenal to combat it.
>
> Amani


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Re: [Felvtalk] What are the dosages for

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Pam

Depending on how sick the cat is when you start the Winstrol – either 1 mg of 
Winstrol 2x daily or 2 mg of Winstrol 2x daily if you need a faster response 
(ie – no time to waste because the cat is doing very poorly).

Along with the Winstrol:

Doxycycline – 25 mg two times a day
Prednisone – 2.5 mg two times a day
¼ tablet of metoclopramide ½ before meals if needed to help food go down and 
move through the intestinal tract well and to deal with any vomiting.

Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: December-25-17 10:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] What are the dosages for


What are the dosages for winsteral,doxycycline, and prednisone that I would 
want to ask my vet for? Thank you!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Amani Oakley]

Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for afflicted 
cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary arsenal to combat it.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: December-03-17 12:00 PM
To: 'Margo'; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question

Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV?

Thank you,
Ardy 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question


Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water 
and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by 
physical contact. 

Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;

"FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"

FelV spreads thru close friendly contact

FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
altered...right?)

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
>took Annie in.
>
> Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Theresa O'Rourke
>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Thank you Lorrie,
>
>So happy I joined this group.
>I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
>clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
>However, I won’t do this again,
>Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
>again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
>NOT NECESSARY.
>IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so 
>neurotic. 
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
>> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand 
>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully 
>> developed.
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> 
>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was 
>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the 
>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) 
>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy 
>>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the 
>>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and 
>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with 
>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Amani Oakley]

As I said – I had a cat in with at least 8 other cats for 7 years with no 
transmission. They shared food and water bowls, beds, grooming, playing, 
biting, scratching - the whole nine yards. I don’t think it is particularly 
contagious with older cats.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Shelley Theye
Sent: November-22-17 2:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question

Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact.  
Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time.
The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just 
cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves
should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor,  etc. from water or 
urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side.

You might want to have different shoes on too?  and clothes, if you will be 
playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might be
going overboard.  Definitely wash hands after handling...

Shelley



On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com 
wrote:

My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with blood 
or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily through a 
bite.
- Original Message -
From: Theresa O'Rourke 
>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question

I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room 
for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat 
goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats also and want 
to know if they can catch
The disease.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Amani Oakley]

We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, 
despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would decimate 
the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event though we 
never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he 
had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even though he played 
with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially with adult cats. It 
is more of a risk with young kittens.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Theresa O'Rourke
Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question

I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room 
for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat 
goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats also and want 
to know if they can catch The disease. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving for K

[Amani Oakley]

Katherine

The pain in your heart is so clear for everyone to see. I am so very sorry for 
the wrenching loss you suffered with the loss of Krammer, and also for the 
terrible loss of one kitten after another and then Jazz as well. There is just 
nothing that will soothe the soul-searing loss, except for the passage of time 
and the knowledge that you gave these deserving little angels, a lot of love, 
warmth and comfort, which they clearly wouldn’t have had without your 
exceptional kindness. Keep that thought close as you mourn the loss of Krammer.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: November-06-17 8:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Grieving for K

Hi everyone,

I lost my perfect little tuxedo soulmate last week. He was my first cat and the 
best friend ever. At age 11 we discovered he was FeLV+, likely contracted from 
some kittens we were fostering at the time. We lost all kittens within a year, 
went on to foster another FeLV kitty, Jazz, for a year before we lost him to 
the virus too. Krammer hung in there for 4 more years with this stupid virus, 
through many ups and downs. We loved each other dearly and I believe that is 
what kept him going until the ripe old age of 15. His nose tumor had grown all 
year. It distorted his face, leaked fluid and required several daily cleanings 
for the last few months. He had declined a lot and was down to 6.5 pounds at 
the end, but was still eating and using the bathroom normally. A week ago I 
discovered his tumor was beginning to affect the roof of his mouth and I didn't 
want to wait until it ruptured there. That would have caused him unnecessary 
suffering. We made the difficult decision to take him to the vet. I picked up 
his ashes on Friday and they are keeping me company, as well as plenty of 
cuddles from my other (non FeLV) kitty.

Thanks to everyone for the support over the years. Here is what I shared on my 
Facebook page about Krammer last week:

Today I had to say a terribly hard goodbye to my best little buddy Krammer. 
Last December, I noticed he had a slightly bloody nose. It turned out to be a 
nasal tumor, and he fought the cancer for nearly a year. He was 15 years old. 
Krammer was a Craigslist kitty. We picked him up one Friday after work in 2005 
from a Seinfeld fan who didn’t know how to spell Kramer. The funny name stuck, 
and produced many, many nicknames.

Sweet Krammie, I’ll miss your perfectly pink nose and toes. I’ll miss the way 
you begged to be picked up and put in the warm dryer after I finished folding 
all the clothes. You’d settle down and purr. I’ll miss your adorable nose 
wrinkle that appeared when you’d ferociously bite Mr. Squirrel during playtime, 
and the way your neck smelled faintly like maple syrup. I’ll miss laughing 
about your weird obsession with licking the blinds and laying on crinkly paper. 
I’ll miss how you would come running whenever we whistled “Morning” from Peer 
Gynt. That became your theme song. I’ll miss your ridiculous call-of-the-wild 
yowl whenever Lady Bird wouldn’t play with you, even the ones that woke me up 
in the middle of the night.

I’ll miss how every night you would come walking up the side of the bed, 
purring and giving out head bumps, and paw at the blanket for me to let you 
under the covers. You’d crawl in, turn around, and settle down for the night. 
Though you were never a lap cat, these cuddles more than made up for it.

I’ll miss playing chase with you on my lunch breaks. You were so excited to see 
me, you’d race through the house, begging for me to catch you and give you a 
big hug. I’ll miss dressing you up in silly outfits, which you mostly just 
purred through. Since it’s Halloween, I hope you won’t mind if I share a few 
with your fans.

I’m grateful to everyone who enjoyed and appreciated his photos over the years. 
He was a delightful subject to photograph. Once during a photoshoot of my dad’s 
jewelry, he walked over and sat down in the middle, giving me a look like, “Ok, 
mom, I’m ready for my close up.” Over the last year, he really enjoyed going 
out on his harness and leash to chase bugs and lay in the sun. He was so 
curious, he enjoyed exploring new places, and I’ll always regret that we never 
got to take him camping. He was a friend to so many foster kittens and didn’t 
even mind the dogs he met. A truly wonderful little being.

I’ll miss you, sweet one.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Close Ardy - Stanozolol.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: November-04-17 7:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Hi Marlene - I am so interested to hear about his treatment, very excited that 
they use it for FeLV treatment, how wonderful. I hope sincerely that they use 
it in conjunction with Doxycyclene and Prednisolone. I personally used the 
liquid form of Winstrol (it's other name here is Stanizolol I think - is this 
correct Amani?). But I believe Amani used the pills. The reason I went with 
oral liquid form is because Tigger took liquid easier than pills and it came in 
"his favorite" salmon flavor!

Best of luck to you with the treatment of your little friend.
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 5:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself 
on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? 
I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
the liver compared to the injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson  
> ha scritto:
> 
> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, 
> and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they 
> sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the 
> name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a 
> little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, 
> but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food 
> in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. 
> When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his 
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal 
> for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a 
> few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can 
> help them. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the 
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus 
> from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> 
>  marlene melpignano  wrote: 
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
>> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
>> result). 
>> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
>> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>> 
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
>> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> 
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
>> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
>> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also 
>> whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using 
>> doxycycline.
>> 
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
>> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
>> eating ... 
>> 
>> Thanks for your help 
>> Marlène  
>> 
>> 
>> Inviato da iPhone
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Totally irate. It was just so clear that they weren't prepared to look at 
Winstrol in a new light - even with me holding a stack of serial weekly lab 
results in my hand. 

Amani



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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: November-04-17 7:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Amani - you must have been irate when they said well maybe it wasn't FeLV in 
the first place -- after they repeatedly told you to put Zander 
down.ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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help

Hi Ken

I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical evidence 
is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which gave three 
cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) and reported 
the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, there is the 
unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies looking into the 
effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between (though I have found a 
few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained to me that once a drug is 
off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies can make very little money 
from it, and so they will not spend money to set up clinical trials, and will 
instead push other related drugs that are still covered by a patent, so they 
make more money on the sale of those other drugs.

The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots 
of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect 
on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which in 
turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from the 
activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very mild 
side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also found 
to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak about 
steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and safest of 
the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use them at 
hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they "stack" them 
will all sorts of other steroids).

I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their 
own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they will 
often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. As I 
mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke with 
that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best to put 
him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results weekly which 
showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to normal results, 
at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well maybe it was never 
FeLV in the first place".

I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had 
good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having little 
or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I have 
mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in combination 
with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on in 
circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat 
problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a 16 
year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe facial 
swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was a cat who 
came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV rampaging through 
it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY ill with a sky-high 
fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she survived when I 
thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me now); I have used it 
to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his cruciate ligament; and am I 
currently using it now to treat a spinal lesion in Pippin - a three-year old 
who gets flair-ups of neurological problems which I tracked to a spinal lesion, 
and when the lesion causes swelling, etc., the symptoms reappear. The 
combination of prednisone and Winstrol appears to be the only thing that 
reverses the effects of the lesion. 

I think the Winstrol is seriously underutilized and cats respond very well to 
it, in a number of circumstances. Obviously, it is not a cure-all, and we've 
heard from other folks who've tried it and gotten no appreciable results, so I 
am not suggesting it is a panacea by any means. Further, I understand that FeLV 
is now 

Re: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

I sent it already. There were  a lot of attachments, so check your Junk Mailbox 
in case it ended up in there.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
kresch...@mchsi.com
Sent: November-04-17 11:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

Hi Amani,
Yes, send what you have to kresch...@mchsi.com and I'll add them to our chat 
pieces and resend the whole "dossier" as an attachment to the chat line.
Ken
- Original Message -----
From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 10:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

I will email you directly with a bunch of other articles I have compiled, 
including the original scientific publication which appears to have started the 
whole hysteria regarding liver failure in cats being caused by Winstrol. I have 
highlighted and notated the study so you can see how very poorly designed the 
study is, and the serious flaws with their logic and conclusions.

I don’t think I can post attachments to this chatline.

Amani 

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kresch...@mchsi.com
Sent: November-03-17 10:56 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

Dear Kitty Friends,
I've attached a number of exchanges regarding the use of Winstrol to combat 
FeLV. I;m taking my compilation to my vet and telling her (well firmly asking) 
to read through the information and begin to do her own research. Our vets need 
to do at least two pieces of research/investigation. First, they need to 
research the efficacy of using steroids on cats and secondly, they need to find 
legal supply routes to obtain Winstrol/Stargate. If I've missed any significant 
parts of our exchanges, please tell me and resend those parts. I'll add them to 
what we have and it will all be in one place. Thanks to all  of you for 
weighing in on this critical subject 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

I will email you directly with a bunch of other articles I have compiled, 
including the original scientific publication which appears to have started the 
whole hysteria regarding liver failure in cats being caused by Winstrol. I have 
highlighted and notated the study so you can see how very poorly designed the 
study is, and the serious flaws with their logic and conclusions.

I don’t think I can post attachments to this chatline.

Amani 

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kresch...@mchsi.com
Sent: November-03-17 10:56 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

Dear Kitty Friends,
I've attached a number of exchanges regarding the use of Winstrol to combat 
FeLV. I;m taking my compilation to my vet and telling her (well firmly asking) 
to read through the information and begin to do her own research. Our vets need 
to do at least two pieces of research/investigation. First, they need to 
research the efficacy of using steroids on cats and secondly, they need to find 
legal supply routes to obtain Winstrol/Stargate. If I've missed any significant 
parts of our exchanges, please tell me and resend those parts. I'll add them to 
what we have and it will all be in one place. Thanks to all  of you for 
weighing in on this critical subject
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[Felvtalk] FW: Stargate?

[Amani Oakley]

Sandy

I cannot tell you how happy your post, below, makes me. Much of what is in the 
Drs. Fosters & Smith website, sounds like it was taken from my hundreds of 
posts, verbatim. I feel a little vindicated, because most of this stuff I 
worked out on my own by observation, lab testing, researching etc. My 
hypotheses were just that. Seeing this stuff posted, and looking like it came 
from an interview with me, helps me to stop wondering at times if I am just 
plain crazy, since no one else seemed to know or understand this stuff – 
especially the vets.

I didn’t know of the second anabolic steroid – nandrolone. I have no idea if it 
is as good as the Winstrol, but it would be nice if there were additional 
options rather than just Winstrol.

A couple of things though. Dogs have had good responses to Winstrol as well, 
but they suffer far more from the side-effects than cats do. Also, Winstrol has 
very little of the androgenic side-effects, like virilisation – even in human 
athletes. Winstrol is considered pretty safe in that regard.

As I am mentioned as recently as my post today though, Winstrol is very good 
for a whole lot of conditions. It’s ability to regenerate bone marrow and get 
red cell, white cell and platelet production increased, is what makes it very 
helpful in treating FeLV cats. But it has applications in many, many conditions 
where cats (and dogs, and sheep and horses – studies show), are run-down, ill, 
ailing, not eating, wasting away, etc.

Boy, does it feel good to know that I am not alone, crying in the wilderness 
about this stuff!

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: November-02-17 5:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate?

The Androgen Group-Anabolic Steroids

Veterinary & Aquatic Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith



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Sandy W


These compounds are related to the male hormone testosterone. They are referred 
to as the anabolic steroids because they cause the formation of new proteins. 
As we stated before, they are often abused by athletes trying to increase 
strength and muscle mass. Their use in canine medicine, while infrequent, is 
related to these and similar properties.


Anabolic steroids come in liquid forms for injection and tablets for oral 
administration. Two of the most commonly used in canine medicine are stanozolol 
(Winstrol-V) and nandrolone (DecaDurabolin).

Animals that have been sick for a long time or who have been through severe, 
debilitating injuries often have generalized weakness and atrophied muscles. In 
some, this has progressed to the point where the animals can no longer walk or 
even stand. Their bodies are just too run down, and without some outside 
stimulation, they simply may give up the will to live.



Anabolic steroids are sometimes useful in these situations. The therapy may 
take several weeks. The medications can be most helpful if the veterinarian 
recognizes the condition before too much strength is lost. Anabolic steroids 
assist the body in regaining its muscle mass by building new proteins, which 
are the primary constituent of muscle fibers. Additionally, they help 
strengthen existing muscles.



In some of these same cases, anabolic steroids are frequently used to stimulate 
the debilitated or recovering patient's appetite. To achieve this effect 
usually requires several days to several weeks of therapy for significant 
changes.

The anabolic steroids are also useful in treating certain types of anemia. 
Anemia is the term used to describe lower than normal numbers of red blood 
cells (RBCs). In certain cases where the bone marrow has stopped producing new 
RBCs, administration of anabolic steroids will stimulate this system and bring 
the number of these cells back to normal levels. They also are known to 
stimulate the production of white blood cells and platelets (tiny cells in 
blood that assist in clotting) to a lesser degree. In these situations, the 
anabolic steroids are useful only in increasing the numbers of these cells. 
They do not increase the ability of the cells to function.



Kidney failure often brings on anemia because these organs may fail to produce 
the substance erythropoietin. Its normal function is to monitor the level of 
RBCs in the body and to stimulate the bone marrow to increase production when 
RBC numbers are too low. In its absence, anabolic steroids are often useful in 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Bob

When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so that 
is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used prednisone 
on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that prednisolone is 
a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. This is my 
understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from vets that the 
two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: November-02-17 5:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Hi Ken...
I well know the experience of lying with a cat dying of Felv until they passed 
and these posts are reawakening my own sadnesss and frustration at being able 
to do so little so late with my own two FelV boys.  It is SO difficult for me 
to grasp the level of opposition to Winstrol on the part of some vets...  they 
are surely not worried about law suits and they have a dying cat in front of 
them that they have NO definitive Tx forwhy NOT try Winstrol...  It is 
beyond absurd...  Unless there is some kind of worry at being fingered for 
prescibing minute doses of an anabolic steroid ( go ahead...take the dose you 
would give to a cat and see the AMAZING effect is has...  You'll feel 
nothing  I can't help but wonder if a lot of vets think if they wipe out 
the entire population of FeLV cats that they will effectively wipe out the 
disease( an odd consideration given that there will always BE a "patient 
Zero"...  it has to start somewhere and likely would again...   Then 
again...anemia is only one of the complications of this damnable disease ( 
though admittedly the most critical...   They are driving law abiding citizens 
into illegal activity trying to find alternative sources of a hard to obtain 
drug in order to save their cats lives it's f-in insane!!!
There is no end to the irrationality one can encounter when people who are ' 
supposed ' to be schooled in scientific thinking decide that , that which 
stands before thema winstrol treated cat in recovery from anemia must not 
have had FeLV or there must be an alternative explanation for the recovery  
Everything BUT trying Winstrol on other cats with the disease and SEEING if it 
works ..run you own N of 5 or 6 mini experiment and see if you get a a positive 
result It's not as though you are using alternative medicine on a cancer 
patient that MIGHT have survived had they had proven Tx...   they have NOTHING 
to offer us that compares with Winstrol in the clutch ( though to date we have 
only a very few cats who have survived as a result of taking Winstrol and , to 
my mind, it has not established itself as the de-facto drug for FeLV instigated 
anemia...but... it is certainly the most hopeful in a field of paltry 
competitors.   We all want to live with hope, and Winstrol gives us 
this  So Ken, by all means, spread the word, pester,implore,cajole your vet 
into trying itbut don't be too terribly surprised when you have to figure 
out how to dismantle the brick wall you are likely to encounter..


Bob


BTW Amani..  are you recommending prednisone or prednisolone with the 
Doxy...   many vets insist that prednisone is not useful for cats..


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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Ken

I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical evidence 
is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which gave three 
cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) and reported 
the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, there is the 
unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies looking into the 
effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between (though I have found a 
few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained to me that once a drug is 
off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies can make very little money 
from it, and so they will not spend money to set up clinical trials, and will 
instead push other related drugs that are still covered by a patent, so they 
make more money on the sale of those other drugs.

The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots 
of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect 
on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which in 
turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from the 
activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very mild 
side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also found 
to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak about 
steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and safest of 
the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use them at 
hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they "stack" them 
will all sorts of other steroids).

I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their 
own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they will 
often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. As I 
mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke with 
that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best to put 
him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results weekly which 
showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to normal results, 
at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well maybe it was never 
FeLV in the first place".

I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had 
good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having little 
or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I have 
mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in combination 
with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on in 
circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat 
problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a 16 
year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe facial 
swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was a cat who 
came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV rampaging through 
it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY ill with a sky-high 
fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she survived when I 
thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me now); I have used it 
to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his cruciate ligament; and am I 
currently using it now to treat a spinal lesion in Pippin - a three-year old 
who gets flair-ups of neurological problems which I tracked to a spinal lesion, 
and when the lesion causes swelling, etc., the symptoms reappear. The 
combination of prednisone and Winstrol appears to be the only thing that 
reverses the effects of the lesion. 

I think the Winstrol is seriously underutilized and cats respond very well to 
it, in a number of circumstances. Obviously, it is not a cure-all, and we've 
heard from other folks who've tried it and gotten no appreciable results, so I 
am not suggesting it is a panacea by any means. Further, I understand that FeLV 
is now thought to be caused by at least four or five different types or strains 
of virus, and I believe that this is the reason that some people get amazing 
results and some people see nothing.

Hopefully, Marlene will get a good response, and it is very heartening to hear 
that in Italy, the drug is commonly used to treat FeLV cats. It was commonly 
used in North America as well, in the '80's and '90's, until the stupid doping 
scandals (especially Ben Johnson's Olympic gold medal being stripped) shone an 
ugly spotlight on it.

Amani

  

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
kresch...@mchsi.com
Sent: November-02-17 10:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Good Morningh all--
I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding 
Winstrol/Stargate. 

Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Marlene,

I should really say that I have never used the injectable form but it is 
injected intramuscularly and doesn’t last very long, and will be far less 
convenient to give than the pills. As I mentioned in a previous response, the 
effect on the liver appears to be transitory and fades after the Winstrol is 
discontinued. You might consider an initial intramuscular injection by your 
vet, to give a quick boost to baseline, and then continuing with daily pills.

I am also THRILLED to hear that Winstrol is used regularly in Itally for FeLV. 
Finally, SOMEWHERE that is using a medication that actually shows some promise 
against this hideous virus, and doesn’t appear to be swayed by the highly 
irrelevant athletic doping scandals!

Good luck Marlene and keep us posted.

Amani 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: November-02-17 6:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself 
on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? 
I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
the liver compared to the injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson  
> ha scritto:
> 
> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, 
> and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they 
> sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the 
> name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a 
> little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, 
> but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food 
> in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. 
> When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his 
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal 
> for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a 
> few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can 
> help them. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the 
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus 
> from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> 
>  marlene melpignano  wrote: 
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
>> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
>> result). 
>> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
>> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>> 
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
>> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> 
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
>> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
>> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also 
>> whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using 
>> doxycycline.
>> 
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
>> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
>> eating ... 
>> 
>> Thanks for your help 
>> Marlène  
>> 
>> 
>> Inviato da iPhone
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Pills. 

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: November-02-17 6:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself 
on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? 
I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
the liver compared to the injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson  
> ha scritto:
> 
> Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, 
> and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they 
> sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the 
> name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a 
> little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, 
> but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food 
> in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. 
> When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his 
> kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal 
> for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a 
> few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can 
> help them. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the 
> Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus 
> from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> 
>  marlene melpignano  wrote: 
>> Dear All,
>> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
>> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
>> result). 
>> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
>> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
>> 
>> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
>> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> 
>> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
>> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
>> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also 
>> whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using 
>> doxycycline.
>> 
>> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
>> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
>> eating ... 
>> 
>> Thanks for your help 
>> Marlène  
>> 
>> 
>> Inviato da iPhone
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Marlene

The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly on cats 
with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful when a cat is not 
eating. Unfortunately, though there are other steroids, I am not certain you 
will get the same result if you use another steroid in place of the Winstrol. 
DO NOT USE another antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus 
replication and is added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the 
virus, to enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for a 
secondary infection. 

I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a cat is 
dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the response and if 
there isn’t an appreciable response after a reasonable period of time, look for 
another option. But don’t have a debate while the cat is declining. What's the 
worst that could happen? It doesn’t work? What other options are they giving 
you??? 

I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you go on 
line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like Germany. 

If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I really 
doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on of blood cell 
production in the bone marrow - I don’t think there is another steroid that 
does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol online from Germany or wherever 
else it can be sourced. But don't wait. The longer you wait, the worse the 
condition of your cat, thus worsening the chances of anything working.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
result). 
My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.

Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?

About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe 
and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for 
chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already a 
lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether they 
had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, and 
if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not eating 
... 

Thanks for your help 
Marlène  


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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Seriously - try the Winstrol. I had very good results with it, and several 
others on our chatline have had good results as well. If it is complicated to 
get the LTCI, then it may well be easier to get the Winstrol. By the way, I am 
in Canada, and we had to ship the LTCI from the U.S.

Also, I don't think vets ANYWHERE are experienced with FeLV since they all just 
recommend putting the cat down. The experiences of others on our chatline, 
shows that to be the case, and we have heard from people in South Africa and 
South America as well as all over the U.S., and parts of Canada. Many of us 
have had to fight with our vets to get them to obtain Winstrol or to try any 
treatment at all for the FeLV. You are not alone in that regard.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: October-28-17 4:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
help

Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions.
Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience on 
felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I cannot use 
at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia prevails... in 
Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at all in Italy.
My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's 
very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in 
virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are 
effective in Felv.
And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. 

Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Marlene - I should also have added to my last email, that you shouldn’t be 
surprised if you get an unusual response from your vet, to the suggestion of 
using Winstrol. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid, and has unfortunately been 
implicated in a number of athletic "doping" scandals and so it can sometimes be 
difficult to obtain. You said you are in Italy, and I actually think it may not 
be as difficult to access Winstrol in Europe as it is in North America, but I 
don’t know that for sure. It is possible that your vet will need to get the 
Winstrol from a compounding pharmacy.

However, the medication is not very expensive and I have had very good success 
with it with my FeLV cat who was in severe crisis and close to death. I have 
also found it very helpful in a wide array of other conditions since is it a 
muscle builder, bone builder and improves appetite and strength. (You can see 
why athletes often use it to become stronger and faster and heal faster as 
well.)

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: October-28-17 10:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one 
year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive 
dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back.
Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell 
immunomodulator) Thanks a lot, Marlène (an Italian desperate cat mother)


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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Marlene

I methodically tried both the Immunoregulin and the LTCI. We gave weekly 
injections and performed weekly bloodwork, which showed no appreciable change 
in the haematology or other blood parameters. However, others on this chatline 
have had good results with those treatments. I suggest that if you are going to 
try either of these treatments, you perform weekly bloodwork as we did, and if 
there is no change, move on.

Alternatively, what I did find very effective, was using Winstrol (stanazolol) 
along with prednisolone and Doxycycline. Again, performing weekly bloodwork 
showed an immediate uptick in the red cell count and haematocrit, and it rose 
steadily thereafter from a level of 5 (critically low) to normal levels between 
25 and 35 after about 10 months of treatment. The other blood parameters also 
improved (platelets going from critically low numbers to within reference 
range) and white cells also returning to reference range levels.

I had good luck using a combination of Doxycycline (1/2 100 mg twice a day) 
plus Winstrol (1 mg x2 day) plus prednisone/prednisolone (1/2  5 mg tablet x2 a 
day). Even on this protocol, I recommend close weekly or bi-weekly monitoring 
so you can see if you start getting a rise in the red cell indices, etc. Don’t 
let your vet talk you out of one or another of these medications. You can’t 
substitute another antibiotic for the Doxycycline, for example. Doxycycline has 
anti-RNA properties (which allows it to interfere with the replication of 
viruses when other antibiotics don’t do this.) 

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
marlene melpignano
Sent: October-28-17 10:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one 
year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive 
dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back.
Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell 
immunomodulator) Thanks a lot, Marlène (an Italian desperate cat mother)


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Re: [Felvtalk] Zorro and " Brian"

[Amani Oakley]

Sorry Bob - honest mistake. I am working on a case right now, going to trail in 
a few weeks, and one of my two clients is Brian. "Brian" on the brain. My 
apologies!

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: October-17-17 4:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Zorro and " Brian"



Ken
It is so terrible how quickly Felv can steal a cats life...but it's so great 
that you gave that little guy the love and attention I SO wish could/would be 
accorded every deserving animal ( read...ALL)... my cat Jelly was a strapping 
tiger stripe one month with perfect blood work and three weeks later he was 
dead I'm still wrestling ( and always will) with when is the right time to 
put a kitty down and I'm leaning now toward sooner rather than later We get 
so attached to our little guys and girls that parting from them seems 
overwhelming... but the fact that they are still eating and perhaps purring 
from time to time doesn't really tell us their level of discomfort...  I know 
that, for me at least, I'd rather be gone than be maintained on pain medication 
and bed ridden ( as is the case for most hospice people and animals) I let my 
boy Gilbert linger too long, I think, in retrospect because he was eating 
well... but the rest of the time he literally slept and often hid out I'm 
thinking that the next time I have a cat that is hiding out more than laying 
out in the open i will use THAT as the sign that quality of life just simply is 
no longer there  When a cat feels disabled enough that he feels vulnerable 
exposed ( and you KNOW that he has a serious disease that is not going to 
improve) it's probably time to let him go  Yes... I wish he could have told 
me... but... that's OUR job at this point..  After three deaths I'm getting 
a little sharper about how much of keeping them alive is for me and how much 
for them Often FeLV takes the decision out of our hands and claims them so 
quickly that we don't have to pain over this. a mixed blessing to be sure.
BTW...Amani...   I am fond of the name Brian but my parents named me Bob
: )


Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . .

[Amani Oakley]

Ken,

I am very sad to hear about your loss of Zorro. FeLV is a terrible disease that 
robs us of our beautiful furbabies, far far too soon. I am thrilled, though, 
that there are people like you out there who care and take the necessary steps 
to make little lives worth living, and lets these little babies know what love 
is, on their time on earth.

Amani



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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
kresch...@mchsi.com
Sent: October-16-17 11:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . .

Good Evening to all who just responded to Robert's "Anyone still there" email. 
This is my first post and I stumbled upon this site in my frantic effort to get 
info on FelV. Our tuxedo, Zorro, was with us barely a year when FelV took him 
in less than two weeks. I first saw him among the weeds and shrubs of my lower 
garden as he darted about, perhaps pursuing a field mouse. Over the next few 
weeks  I steadily coaxed him closer to the house with food, water and my 
appearances. Eventually he was on the back porch daily meowing for breakfast 
and our Teddy Bear dog, Oliver, watched Zorro eat from the other side of the 
screen door. By late September Zorro was eating in the house, finding the 
litter box and purring so loudly he could be heard from ten feet away. 

Zorro was neutered, vaccinated and checked over and quickly became the kindest, 
most lovable cat I've ever had and at 70 I've had a few! We all spent a 
wonderful year plus together and Oliver became so accepting of Zorro that he 
allowed himself to be groomed my him. All this came crashing down six weeks 
ago. Zorro slept more, did not jump into bed with me and though he ate, he ate 
in little spurts. We took him in, tried some antibiotics first since he had a 
fever but nothing changed. Then the blood tests; then the devastating news: 
FeLV. The Vet suggested we consider putting Zorro down since it was incurable. 
I said Zorro will decide that action. For the next ten days we bought time with 
Zorro using a coticosteroid via pills. But the inevitable came suddenly three 
Monday evenings back. Zorro was slowly walking and then just laid down. His 
breathing became labored and I lay down next to him whispering in his ears and 
stroking his side. I told him to go, he'd done it on his terms and w
   ithing five minutes he was still. 

We've buried him with his bed and special blanket to cover him and keep the 
soil off. He's now beneath a tree near where I first saw him.

Ken Resch

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Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There....

[Amani Oakley]

You know, Brian, I thought of you and Gilbert regularly. I was actually happy 
not to have heard from you, thinking that things must be fine. I am so sorry to 
hear of Gilbert's loss. It is wonderful that you were able to give him so much 
love in this world. 

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: October-16-17 9:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There

No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite  long while so I 
thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that HAS been 
going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a couple of 
months. Generally it has been my experience that once I write one of these 
notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why
I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat ( 
Gilbert) down Third cat I have lost in a year   I'm 0 for 3 at this 
point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but I 
keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who??
 Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast 
majority of people who HAVE cats.  There are SO many deserving animals out 
there that have problems that place them low on the adoption list  they ALL 
deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special  Gilbert was not 
adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought him 
special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though they all 
truly DID care that he was going to die  He had a good life for his last 
few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the window and more 
petting and love than even HE wanted.  As is usually the case it was 
probably harder on me than him when it came time He stopped eating, it was 
painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... 
He was constipated and just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one 
eye to protrude and the other to recede... it would have been cruel to ask him 
to endure more. A beautiful sweet animal I miss him terribly...
Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission.


Bob...



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Re: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.....

[Amani Oakley]

Wonderful Ardy. Now to find the b@$1@r+ who did this to him so we can ensure 
that he doesn't ever do this again.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: August-02-17 12:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.

My granddaughter Toni made a visit to the little gray kitty who has now been 
named "Lucky" (rather appropriately) because of his survival, and possibly also 
because he is now free of the horrible person who did this to him. Toni got to 
hold him today, ever so gently, and she said she can see the pupils in both of 
his eyes now, and also that his nose seems to be healing amazingly well. It had 
been sort of split, so I was worried that it would hinder his eating. I think 
he had some mouth injuries also. She said the gal who picked him up, Rachel, is 
very in tune with his needs. Right now of course he is frightened, and so she 
has his bed in a box that has 3 high sides, so he feels like he is "hiding". 
She is giving him lots of love and being very gentle. She has him in an 
enclosed porch so he is away from her other pets. She says "Update on Lucky: 
He's really starting to pick up on eating, still timid but it'll take time. 
Thank you to Toni Rae Jahr and her grandma for Lucky's bed, food, and toys." We 
have had other people offer to help with his expenses, and to buy him food, and 
other things. Somehow it just feels good to help this little guy, and to know 
that he will have a loving home now. Thanks everyone!!
Ardy

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