Just as another side to the stress story ... when I found Bailey at 5
months of age, he was FeLV+, him and my 4 others at that time traveled
for 3 months in a semi truck when I decided to move back to Washington
from Missouri. All 5 cats, hubby and me and all the stuff we brought
with us
Bailey was on the 7 on, 7 off schedule and I noticed on the the 7
days on he was lethargic and didn't eat as well, it took a few of the
off days for him to bouncy back. I took him off of it and he went back
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Sally,
If Lukey needs to be fed for more than a day or tow the nasel tube is
VERY uncomfortable, you'd really be better served getting an e tube,
I've had 3 kitties with this and it was a life saver, none of them had
any problems with it and all of them gained back the lost weight and
Bailey's HCT was around 18 or 20 when he had his etube put in. The
main thing they were worried about was clotting and he was clotting OK.
I don't remember were you looking at doing a transfusion? Lukey's HCT
was 14 is that right? That is about the point where a transfusion would
be
When Bailey had his done it was done with I think a local and
isoflouren (sp) gas, the procedure takes about 15 to 20 minutes. I'm
not positive of that because it has been almost 4 years ago. I do know
my vet had only done about 2 of them and actually had the manual on the
procedure with
My Vet will wait as low as 12 but it really depends on the cat and
the shape they are in. Fred's HCT is at 20 right now the lowest it's
been since he started down this road of kidney insufficiency 4 years
ago. I think if he goes too much lower he will have to start epogen.
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Bailey had this happen all the time, nothing medical, his pupils
would just be uneven, I have noticed it with Joey (negative) on the rare
occasion also, nothing medical with him either.
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Bailey had this happen all the time, nothing medical, his pupils
would just be uneven, I have noticed it with Joey (negative) on the rare
occasion also, nothing medical with him either.
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Hi All,
This email is from Sally to Jenny, it bounced so I forward it. Jim
can you see why her email is bouncing, thanks?
Yes, terrific news, and thanks again, Jenny, for all your
phone support and information. Lukey is still stable but
still not wanting to eat on his own. I will be
I think in this case she meant mankind, not men.
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In Washington state I buy my fluids and syringes over the counter,
no prescriptions required.
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You can usually get S/D from you vet, it is a prescriptin food.
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Boy did I screw that up:
You can usually get S/D from you vet, it is a prescriptin food.
I meant, you can get A/D at most any vets, it is a prescription food.
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This happened to my sister in laws 18 year old cat and they gave the
meds to dissolve clots (don't know what you would need anesthesia for),
my SIL had to express her kitties bladder and do physical therapy on his
back legs for about a month but after her kitty was back to normal and
lived
More often than not a sudden death without any noticeable symptoms
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PS. In a young cat especially, undetected HCM usually strikes kitties 6
and under, I had one that was 9 years old die from this. Perfectly
healthy until he had a seizure and died. The vet said from the symptoms
I described it was heart related. He did check him over to see if he
choked on
If he hasn't been eating a normal amount of food he may very well
have hepatic lipidosis or fatty liver disease, this can be fatal and the
cure is getting enough food into him, the vet should know this. You
have to immediately start getting food into this cat. The two weeks
this site
PS. I missed the part about being anemic, get him started on
doxocycline and prednisolone also, this is common for FeLV+'s and he may
have hemobartonella which is extremely hard to test for. Most positives
are put on doxy and pred as a precaution if they become anemic. Anemia
is caused by
Ok, just read where Miles was diagnosed with
Cholangitis/cholangiohepatitis complex, found some info on it and
nutrition is part of the recovery/treatment process, what is the vet
doing for him as far as that goes?
Cholangitis/cholangiohepatitis complex:
This is a number of related
More info on this diagnosis:
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Tanya,
OK, first let me apologize, I got Mattie and Maggie confused.
First thing I would suggest is get a T Free 4 thyroid test done, I have
never heard of it causing aggressiveness but it may be worth checking
into. Howling or vocalizing can be a symptom of thyroid issues but if
It's an aluminum binder, its to bind the phosphorus because some CRF
kitties have trouble with their phosphorus getting high and if it get
too high it causes real problems. When Fred's phosphorus was at 8.1
which for a healthykitty is fine but for a CRF kitty is too high, he
wouldn't eat was
Hi Gloria,
It is suppose to have a kind of hypnotic effect on them to keep them
clam, I think it simulates the way a mom kitty holds her kitten, can't
say I noticed that with Fred but he figured since he couldn't reach me
to bite me anymore it wasn't worth it to try so he stopped after a
Bailey had uneven pupils all of his 11 years off and on. He was
healthy up until the last 6 months of his life, so his pupils being
uneven was for no health reason that we knew of.
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Lora,
Way back in the 1990's my Skeeter had something, he couldn't pee and
I took him in just in time, I can't remember what it was called back
then, he would get cyrstals, he had to take a DL Methionine pill
everyday, I think he was also on special food for a while too but as
long as
PS. I give meds to 3 of my 5 guys now and surprisingly considering the
last one that I had to start on meds has never had to take anything, she
is very good about it, thank goodness.
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My thoughts on this:
It tore my guts out to read about the horrendous things so many of the members
were putting their very old, (16 to 19 years old) termininally ill cats
through
I just want to give another perspective, Fred is 18 or so now, he was 15
when he was diagnosed very early
Lora,
I don't have an positives left, Bailey was my last and I lost him in
2006. I do however have a furkid with HCM and one with CRF a heart
murmur.
I do know that taurine and CoQ-10 are good for the heart and lysine is
good over all for the immune system. My cats aren't great about
Hi Amy,
Yes Bailey was getting the epogen ONLY for his anemia that was
related to his FeLV+ status, he did not have CRF. He was not the only
cat my vet used epogen for that was positive, she had been treating
another positive cat for a year that was positive and anemic. I don't
know the
Gary,
Make sure it has been kept cold or it is worthless. It should be kept
in the fridge and not shaken.
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Procrit and Epogen are the same thing, one is basically the generic of
the other, where I live the Procrit was $20.00 cheaper, I paid $300.00
for a 6 month supply of Epogen.
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I would keep doing what you're doing, 27% isn't horrible. Be sure
and keep up the pet tinic, is he getting folic acid too it isn't in pet
tinic and is needed for building new blood.
I wouldn't panic yet, just keep a close eye on him and think positive.
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I have used http://iherb.com for a long time and have been very
happy with their prices and customer service.
http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=vitamin%20c
http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=lysine
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Great, I think as long as he seems to feel fine and his HCT doesn't
start dropping I would be too concerned yet. All kitties are
individuals and maybe that is a decent HCT for him, wouldn't want it to
get much lower though. Fred's (CRF) HCT has been between 24% and 29%
for the last 3 years
Bailey was on epogen for almost 6 months when he became anemic, it
brought his HCT from a low of 15% back up to 40% within 6 weeks or so.
When he passed he was still on a maintanence dose of epogen once a week
and his HCT was holding at 33%.
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virus activated in his bone marrow and that is what brought on the
anemia, he developed pancreatic cancer in the 6 months we were trying to
figure out what was going on. It was obvious something was still wrong
because
You made a great choice, FeLV+ make some of the most loving kitties
I have ever had the privilege of being owned by. My Bailey was a real
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If nothing else is working, by the way I have heard doxy can take as
long as 6 weeks to show results, but if his HCT is still going down
don't know that I would be thinking that. But as I was saying if
nothing else is working and you are faced with death, my personally I
would try the
Almost all of the info you are going to find online is outdated. My
vet told me the vaccination is 85 to 90% effective and that an adult cat
has little chance of getting infected, even if not vaccinated. All I
can say is Bailey lived with as many as 8 house mates and not one of
them ever
MC,
That is what I mean, I wouldn't need the actual street address until I
was sure I wanted to take the kitty there. General address to start is
fine. But for me personally I would have to take the cat there and look
at the place. I have only given cats up one time when my neighbor
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Anyone who wouldn't let you come over and see that cat is a big red
flag for me. You can't do that without an address.
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Is he the one who owns the yahoo FeLV list?
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Some cats will get stomatitis and this is painful and they will eat
less. Has your vet looked his mouth and throat over very carefully?
Some of these pics are extreme and a cat doesn't have to have that bad
of a case for them to eat less, Bailey had a mild case, his gums were
just
Bailey was 11 years old when he passed, I found him when he was 5
months old and he was positive then, so he had it 11 years and was only
sick the last 6 months of his life.
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Hi Amy,
Wolfie's HCT at 29% isn't horrible, Fred who I get the vit B for, his
HCT hangs around 24% to 26%, he is CRF and some cats with CRF if they
live long enough with it will slowly develop anemia and at some point if
they live long enough some will eventually need Epogen. Epogen
PS. The Nutrived does contain more iron and a little more of some of
the other ingredients, you could always buy a bottle of folic acid, I
did that too and the capsules are tiny and you would only need a tiny
bit of that, so you could open the capsule and sprinkle a tiny bit on
his food, it
PS. You can give the injections yourself. They usually give them once
a week, any extra vit b is peed out it is a water soluble vit and extra
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Be careful with the iron injections, cats don't need much iron, maybe
go with the vit b injections and the pet tinic for now and see how he
does with that and the pred and doxy.
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Yes I do give my cats vit b injections, in fact I have a bottle at
the vets that I forgot to pick up today. Sometimes they notice
sometimes they don't, it is said to sting but the tiny needle you use
they can barely feel and you inject such a small amount by the time they
notice a sting, if
PS. How long has he been on the Pet Tinic and how long has he been
getting the pred and doxy? When was the last time he had a blood draw?
On the last draw is that when his HCT was 29%? They can always take a
tiny bit of blood from the ear tip to check the HCT and if it is OK then
do the
Hi Amy,
Petinic doesn't contain folic acid which is also needed to build new
blood, Nutrived does ... most vets carry the Petinic and not the
Nutrived that is why they recommend it. If you can find the Nutrived I
would switch to it, I used to buy it online, I'll see if I can find
Amy,
If the HCT was 29% on the July 2nd draw and he is acting the same I
would wait at least 2 weeks, stress is not good so you want to avoid
that. If he takes a sudden turn for the worse before 2 weeks then get
him to the vet. When did the vet want you to bring him in for a
recheck? I
Two weeks is a minimum, longer is probably better as long as he
seems to be doing OK. Stress is a big no no with these guys, that was
one of the reasons I didn't really give Bailey any supplements until he
got sick, he got so stressed when he had to take anything, pills ect ...
I was
Hi Amy,
Sounds like a mystery but his HCT isn't too bad, it is when it gets
to 20% and below you really need to start worrying, although with an
FeLV+, I'd keep a close eye on it when it gets to 24% or 25%. My Vet
wouldn't start epogen until the HCT gets to 20% or below, and a
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Bailey also became lethargic and didn't eat well on his 7 days on, I
stopped giving it to him after a month or so, there was an obvious
difference between his days on and off.
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Classic hyper-t symptoms:
No diarrhea or vomiting that I've seen. He just seems hungry all the time and follows me around crying at me. We did some tests yesterday and are waiting for results.
this is exactly how Fred was and he was very early hyper-t. Only found
with the tfree4 test.
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Have they done a T Free 4 thyroid test, not the regular one? Some
cats will be normal on the standard test but actually be early hyper-t,
my Fred was. We only tested with a T Free 4 because he had a nodule on
his thyroid my vet felt had gotten bigger so we did both tests, the T4
was
Hi Amy,
I would suspect thyroid because of the being hungry all the time, I
hope your vet figures it out so Wolfie can feel good again. Cats, they
are mysterious sometimes!!
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Here is another CRF site that I use more than I wish I had to, it is
put together by the person who runs the CRF talk group, she has had
several CRF kitties and researched endless hours over many years to find
and put together this website and keeps it very updated. It is an
excellent
Wow I just looked at the member list and it is over 1, it has
goen way up since I last looked, boy CRF must be on the rise!!! I was
also mistaken about who the owner of the group is, it isn't Helen the
author of the CRF website but is still an excellent group. I did also
find Helens
Right Sharyl, I tried digest for a while but I don't like to miss
out on things or wait so I went back to individual emails, I just check
it all the time. I get close to 1000 emails a day, used to be over 3000
but it went down for some reason when I got this new anti virus, spam
program.
Most cats don't need iron supplemented but yes there are iron shots,
Baileys iron was a little low and he did get a couple of shots but the
epogen and prednisolone were in my opinion the main things that helped
him, the doxy I wanted him on as a precaution, he always tested negative
on the
I say this every time I see this on the list, EPOGEN, Prednisolone
is what brought my FeLV+ Bailey out of his anemia and kept his HCT
normal for about 6 months until he passed from Pancreatic cancer, his
anemia was non regenerative. He also was on doxocycline for 6 weeks
just in case he
Nutrived is better than Petinic because it has folic acid and more
iron that Petinic does, folic acid is needed to build new blood and
Petinic doesn't have folic acid in it, Nutrived does.
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Hi Amy,
I sent this link to you this morning, I quoted some of the info
there below but there is much more to read on the website:
https://www.vetcentric.com/reference/encycEntry.cfm?ENTRY=88COLLECTION=EncycIllnessMODE=full
*AffectedAnimals:*
Essentially all cats have the potential
Kelley,
When I took Fred in because he was twitching and getting spacey, it
was because of high blood pressure, my vet gave me his meds right then
and there, it shouldn't take that long. Usual starting dose is a
quarter tab of a 2.5gr of amlodipine (brand name norvasc). Almost all
of
Hi Amy,
A regular T4 thyroid test sometimes won't give a high reading until it
gets fairly high. Fred always tested normal but my vet could feel a
small nodule on his thyroid and we kept an eye on it. When he went in
for his physical a year later she felt it had gotten slightly bigger
Bailey had bartonella and he was on Zithromax for 6 weeks before it
got better. Has your kitty been on doxocycline in case he has
hemobartonella? Tests for this almost always come up with false
negatives, sometimes cats have to be test 4 or 5 times or more to get an
accurate test result.
Bartonella and hemobartonella are 2 different things, are you sure he
has bartonella and not hemobartonella?
Here are some good reads on Bartonella:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_bartonella.html
http://www.natvetlab.com/PDF/catownerbrochure.pdf
Amy,
I don't think your vet is very good, yellow is a sure sign of liver
failure and it doesn't happen overnight. Blood tests should have shown
there was a problem and if your vet didn't mention it I'd run to find
another vet.
If Maverick wasn't eating well he probably developed
I just called Hills and he said there is a best before date in red
on the bottom of each can. If it is say 05 2010, it is good until the
1st of May 2010.
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Amy,
It does sound like your vet is very nice and compassionate. And any
vet that is willing to learn and research is a keeper. When a cat is
anemic whether they are positive or not, there is a reason for it.
Anemia in itself is not a disease, it is a symptom if something else
going on
Are his Phosphorus levels high or low? High can cause tummy acid
and they won't eat. A quarter of a pepcid AC might help with that. Was
kitty checked for dehydration? That makes them feel really crappy and
they won't eat. What is kitties white count could kitty be fighting an
I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you
know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I
have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the
palce I read it.
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Or children for that matter, we don't what them bringing more
irresponsible idiots into the world, we have enough of those
I'm so sorry Kelly. That is heartbreaking. This us why I think people should have to take a test for competency before they are allowed pets.
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Because of the age and suddeness I would guess a heart thing. Many
cats with undiagnosed Cardiomyapathy can pass suddenly with no outward
symptoms, generally before or by the age of 6. I lost my Snyder very
suddenly at age 9, no symptoms what-so-ever, just the day he died, he
had a heart
If you give me the sweet little guys name I'll add him to the Candle
Light Service. Prayers to you and your family, especially his little
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Yes I was a member back when I had a couple of sick kitties, it's is
a very knowledgable and supportive group.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
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Linda,
I am sorry to hear about your furchild, you may want to join the
feline lymphoma group on yahoo, I've been a member many years and they
are a wonderful group with great suggestions and support. Also to get
some good info go to our website and you'll find tons of info there, I
do
PS. The drugs you mentioned are used when dealing with small cell
cancer, what type did they say he has? *Small cell* is slower growing
but takes longer to get into remission, *large cell* is much more
aggressive and spreads very quickly and will usually go into remission
faster but it must
Jane,
Please write directly to Jim the list owner and ask him what the
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Jim's email: phaed...@charter.net
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I have to agree about the Nutrical, it is OK to use in an emergency
once or twice but not on a regular basis, Fred is and has been eating
baby food for months with supplements added of course and he has gained
quite a bit of weight, about a pound, which for a CRF cat is pretty darn
good!!
Hi Laurie,
I'm not familiar with what is going on with Charlotte, is she anemic
and if so what is her HCT? If she is anemic has she been on doxocycline
for at least 4 weeks? Positive cats commonly get something called
hemobartonella, it is acually recently called something else but it
PS. Bailey was positive at 5 months of age when I found him and lived
11 years without ever being sick until the last 6 months of his life!!
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The Food and Drug Administration is looking into a series of pet
deaths and illnesses, possibly connected with Nutro Foods.
Nutro Foods makes both dog and cat foods sold under brand names Nutro
Max, Nutro Natural Choice and Nutro Max Cat.
The company has set up a
I used to cook for Fred, I would cook chicken legs and thighs,
mostly thighs you get more meat for you money. Just cook, debone, blend
it in the blender to the consistency your cats like, mine like it very
blended, creamy like. I add an egg or two depending on how much I am
making and I
Hi Kerry,
What's his HCT, anemia will cause these types of symptoms.
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Bailey also did not do well on the interferon, he would get
lethargic and not eat as well, it was clear when he was on it he didn't
feel well. Have never heard of the other stuff so no comment there.
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Yes, hyper-T, didn't think of that, this is what was happening with
Fred, he was always asking for food and eating really good but not
gaining any weight, he was always acting like he was starving. He also
yowled and if I got up he immediately got up to follow me, just in case
I was heading
PS. Fred was hyper-T and had the radio iodine treatment, he was also
CRF we found out when checking for the hyper-T. He had his treatment 3
years ago and is fine, still CRF though.
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Hi Amy,
I was having the same problem with my Fred, he is CRF. He was
steadily losing weight and I finally resorted to feeding him baby food.
I try and get him to eat minimum 3 jars of Gerber 2nd food Heinz
chicken, he likes the Gerber better, creamier and has double the
calories, 4
Hi Ayelet,
Nice to see you here, like I said it gets a little slow on the
weekends, but if you have any questions, just post them, someone will
answer as son as they see them. Nice talking earlier.
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Typed you into FB seach and 3 possibilities came up which are you?
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Hi Anne,
Sorry for your loss of Jonathan, I have added him to the service,
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