Re: Sam is FOUND!
I've got Sam here at my house.. he's not going anywhere unless it's a REALLY good foster home, indoor only of course. Right now he's snoozing! I kept thinking about a kid's book, or documentary film, called Sam's Adventure, or Finding Sam, or something! On Jun 5, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Nina wrote: Hmm... That makes me wonder... I'm sure you told this nice, cat friendly, (but, cat-less at the moment), woman, Sam's story, right? Did this woman seem like a suitable adopter except for the fact that she's living with her Aunt? Is the Aunt a cat-eater, or anything? If it looked like a good match, I might have pressed the well, you did find each other, maybe there's a reason, angle! Where is Sam going now? Back to the same foster parent? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: She'd been putting out food and milk, trying to attract his attention and feed him. She's a cat-friendly person, but doesn't have cats where she lives now (with her Aunt). Then the kids who came around had kittens - brought them down for us to see, and we put one in a carrier under the house. Sam was REAL interested but not ready at that point. Gloria At 12:32 AM 6/5/2005, you wrote: Fantastic! Hooray! How is he? Has the woman who called been feeding him? Oh Gloria, I'm so thrilled and relieved. Well done! Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Just want everybody to know that we FOUND SAM! Someone called me at 9:30 or so this morning, saying that she'd seen our poster in the mini-mart, and saw a cat like Sam's description at her house. I went right over, and there was Sam under her van in the driveway. Wow! I couldn't squeeze under the van, but stretched out and gave Sam some Fancy Feast. I had to slide out at bit and at some point Sam got scared and ran into the back yard. We attracted some of the neighborhood kids, too. Long story short, he jumped over a fence, went under a vacant house, where there was a live possum and an armadillo, so pretty soon he was outa there - I was glad! Headed for the next house and under it. By that time, Susan made it over to where it was all happening. Fortunately, the house he was under had only one opening, and had a pretty neat large crawl space. He kept hiding behind the big air conditioning stuff and we couldn't get to him. Susan - in spite of spiders, dirt and claustrophobia - crawled under and set a couple of traps laced with cat food, mackerel, salmon juice, and a cup of milk. We sat in the driveway just about all day, except for a 2 hour break, checking under the house and eating junk food. About 9:15 or so tonight, Sam just walked up to the access door. Susan said, he's right there! We talked to him and I reached my hand in and petted him, I think he remembered me - nd pretty soon grabbed him. He tried to get away, and Susan scruffed him and got him to the car and WE GOT OUR SAM BACK - YEAA! He was doing the Siamese meow-meow all the way home, and it was great to hear! Thanks to you all for all your wonderful help!! Gloria -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Sam is FOUND!
Thanks, Joan - I was amazed. Friday I was discouraged, Saturday he turned up. Even Saturday evening we were planning on coming back Sunday morning. It was ... amazing. Gloria On Jun 6, 2005, at 6:07 AM, Doljan, Joan wrote: Gloria, I am so glad. I kept waiting for this email from you for it seem years! Take care, Joan -Original Message- From: Gloria B. Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Sam is FOUND! Just want everybody to know that we FOUND SAM! Someone called me at 9:30 or so this morning, saying that she'd seen our poster in the mini-mart, and saw a cat like Sam's description at her house. I went right over, and there was Sam under her van in the driveway. Wow! I couldn't squeeze under the van, but stretched out and gave Sam some Fancy Feast. I had to slide out at bit and at some point Sam got scared and ran into the back yard. We attracted some of the neighborhood kids, too. Long story short, he jumped over a fence, went under a vacant house, where there was a live possum and an armadillo, so pretty soon he was outa there - I was glad! Headed for the next house and under it. By that time, Susan made it over to where it was all happening. Fortunately, the house he was under had only one opening, and had a pretty neat large crawl space. He kept hiding behind the big air conditioning stuff and we couldn't get to him. Susan - in spite of spiders, dirt and claustrophobia - crawled under and set a couple of traps laced with cat food, mackerel, salmon juice, and a cup of milk. We sat in the driveway just about all day, except for a 2 hour break, checking under the house and eating junk food. About 9:15 or so tonight, Sam just walked up to the access door. Susan said, he's right there! We talked to him and I reached my hand in and petted him, I think he remembered me - nd pretty soon grabbed him. He tried to get away, and Susan scruffed him and got him to the car and WE GOT OUR SAM BACK - YEAA! He was doing the Siamese meow-meow all the way home, and it was great to hear! Thanks to you all for all your wonderful help!! Gloria -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: HELP
with neurological problems, I'd definitely wonder about the flea stuff and talk to the vet about it. Good luck - Gloria On Jun 6, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Barbara Lowe wrote: ...did you tell the vet you gave the flea stuff? so sorry this is happening. regards Barbara - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: HELP Hi Guys You may recall Bramble (FIV+) went Ataxic on Tuesday and then recovered - he started Omega Interferon on Thursday - and is on 2.5mg daily of Fortekor for a heart murmer. Waiting to hear results still for calicivirus, herpesvirus and FeLV. I was on the phone to the emergency vet last night when I panicked as Bramble was showing symptoms I haven't seen before. They said settle him down and see what he is like in the morning. I did and he settled although he didn;t move again until this morning. I woke up when I heard him scratching frantically on the floor - only it wasn't a scratch it was more like a scared confused going mad scratching so I think he may actually have been having a seizure with all four legs paddling away as he looked confused afterwards. He staggered off into the corner and I put the lamp on - then for about 5 mins he looked in pain and didn't want me to touch him - he was moving his head very slowly then stretching his body out abnormally slowly - his tail in the air then his backside in the air - then he pushed out his back leg and then tried crawling with his front paws on his belly - it was all very very slow and not like normal stretching. This morning he didn't wobble and I gave him his intereron jab as normal - he ate a good breakfast too. Today he is quiet and hasn't moved from the sofa where I put him about 5 hours ago apart from getting up to turn around. He seems a little uncomfy at times about being stroked on the back of his head - has managed to go to sleep. He seems a little mentally disengaged at times and I guess he is in some discomfort all though he hides it well so I don't know exactly if he is or not. He definitely was during last nights episode. He also does seem to have lost more muscle mass too. Has anyone experienced anything like this or have any idea what might be going on - I really don't know what is the right thing to do on this one. The vet said watch him if he has seizures or pain that doesn't stop after 30mins to get him back. Does interferon have any side effects like this??? Also the vet said if he loses use of his back legs and they go cold and stiff and he starts crying then that indicates a blood clot so not to wait around on that - anything is possible. I'm trying so hard to give him the best care possible but I don't know is it right to keep fighting with him or is it fairer to put him to rest - when do you know with these viruses when it is the right time to euthanase your furry friend. I also put stronghold flea drops on him yesterday but I can't see that causing anything like this. Michelle L PS - I am delighted that Sam is found - such a good result.
Re: Sam is FOUND!
Hey - I was doing meditations also, like you wrote me about. That fellow Sam sure gave us a scare... and some exercise. It took him a few hours to sidle up to his old pal Blue, once he got to my house, but now they're buddies again. He's a little skittish - when strangers come in or whatever it's back to hiding under the couch. Sam is sitting in my living room window! If a good forever home is interested, we'll see. Otherwise, he's staying here! Thank you so much, to everybody, for your help, prayers, support and caring! Gloria On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Gloria! What a great news! I was doing meditations for Sam all weekend, dozens and dozens of times - hoping that he and you will be reunited - and someone I had a feeling that I would see your email saying that Sam is found!!! I am going to let Dr. Ryan know that- she did tell me that it is so amazing how you will be reunited with animals so quickly with the meditation - I don't know how much credit the meditation should take - but it seems like it's right after we got the meditation - anyway, congratulations to your hard work and I am so haaapy for you and Sam. What is going to take care of Sam now? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sam is FOUND! We did!! Lots of Meows! At 09:11 PM 6/5/2005, you wrote: Wonderful news Gloria! Betcha you did the meow-meow yourself all the way home :) Del - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Gloria B. Lane To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: RE: Sam is FOUND! Just want everybody to know that we FOUND SAM! Someone called me at 9:30 or so this morning, saying that she'd seen our poster in the mini-mart, and saw a cat like Sam's description at her house. I went right over, and there was Sam under her van in the driveway. Wow! I couldn't squeeze under the van, but stretched out and gave Sam some Fancy Feast. I had to slide out at bit and at some point Sam got scared and ran into the back yard. We attracted some of the neighborhood kids, too. Long story short, he jumped over a fence, went under a vacant house, where there was a live possum and an armadillo, so pretty soon he was outa there - I was glad! Headed for the next house and under it. By that time, Susan made it over to where it was all happening. Fortunately, the house he was under had only one opening, and had a pretty neat large crawl space. He kept hiding behind the big air conditioning stuff and we couldn't get to him. Susan - in spite of spiders, dirt and claustrophobia - crawled under and set a couple of traps laced with cat food, mackerel, salmon juice, and a cup of milk. We sat in the driveway just about all day, except for a 2 hour break, checking under the house and eating junk food. About 9:15 or so tonight, Sam just walked up to the access door. Susan said, he's right there! We talked to him and I reached my hand in and petted him, I think he remembered me - nd pretty soon grabbed him. He tried to get away, and Susan scruffed him and got him to the car and WE GOT OUR SAM BACK - YEAA! He was doing the Siamese meow-meow all the way home, and it was great to hear! Thanks to you all for all your wonderful help!! Gloria -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mia.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria
Re: thanking for the incredible support system
I agree, this is a great group - you're so right, some of the groups are very stringent, with hard-nosed moderators, and it's hard to say things and get answers. Thank you for being here! Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I know people on this list make a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all the support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need the support for that matter I really love this list as we can talk about anything (any OT stuff) I used to be on FIP list since I have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs but the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean if you questions anything she says she gets made and took you off the list she only believes in certain treatment and she doesnt let you argue about it otherwise and she does not allow any OT subjects I really liked everyone else on that list, but couldnt stand the mediator (and so did other people on the list) Anyway, thank you so very much for your support dont know what to do without you guys I am glad that I found you!
Re: any info on this poor kitty
Wonder what she's feeding him and if he's eating ok? Right, I agree, vet is in order. Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I have a colleague who has a 12 year old boy kitty recently he started going bathroom (both 1 2) all over the house other than litter box his eyes also started twitching and lost some hair she wanted to know whats going on I suggested to take him to a vet and do a blood work to eliminate any major organ related stuff but she is in a very serious financial problem right now, and she said that she couldnt afford to do so I almost wanted to offer to pay for her vet bill (like I have an money left), but if you have any insights on this, I would really appreciate it these symptoms are very hard ones to figure out as they could be caused any number of things (both emotional and medical), but any insight is appreciated. Thank you!
Re: Sebastian Update
What have you dont for Sebastion that's helped him, do you think? I'm SO GLAD that he's doing better. Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:21 PM, JENNIFER RATLIFF wrote: Sebastian has been doing alot better. His hind legs are getting a little stronger. I am still looking for a good vet that has alot of exprience dealing with +kitties. I have tried to pull up the list on the kitties website, but I can't for some reason. I live in West Virginia. Also, does anyone know of any vitamins or supplements that I should being giving Sebastian on a daily basis to help with his appetite and immune system. P.S I am praying for Bramble.
Re: any info on this poor kitty
Very insightful, you guys! Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the link Nina sent to me. ALL kinds of financial help for pets: http://www.magdrl-nj.com/links.html#finance I, too, am thinking blockage... not something anything should have to endure, REALLY horrible way to die, almost always fatal within days, if not hours, once they get 100% blocked. He needs to go to a vet. Very common problem in male cats these days, sadly. Sometimes they can use a catheter to open the blockage, but sometimes it requires surgery to correct permanently. Has she turned him over and really looked hard at his pee-pee? It may be an infection, if that's the case, he may look obviously reddened around his penile area. She can try gently massaging it a little with clean fingers, judge his reaction, most any cat will struggle and try to get away, but if he blows a gasket and freaks out and screams in pain, that's a likely sign he needs vet care for some kind of urinary problem. Also, see if she can lock him in a room with bare floors, and put down just a white sheet or towel for him to pee on. That way, she'll be able to see if there's any blood in his urine. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~ ~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
Re: sanctuaries: open to the public?
I've wondered where folks get the idea that they donate cats to our group also ... Gloria On Jun 10, 2005, at 12:24 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:... we were NOT asking people to donate their cats to us (tho people would call and say they wanted to do just that; funny, cats was NEVER on our donation-needs lists). anyone who had a legitimate reason to come to the sanctuary was given directions--the only restriction was that visits, including bringing a cat into sanctuary, had to be arranged in advance so that we could make sure someone would be there. and that other things weren't scheduled at the same time. my favorite times were when people would come with a cat, and leave with it. that happened often enough with FIV cats to let us know how vital accurate information and education are. rarely, people would even take their FeLVs home with them when they learned the facts about that virus, but nowhere near as often... -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Supplements - Grace
Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: VO Interferon Omega - new info
Well, that's not what I've heard - have heard that IO is more of a match for the natural cat's interferon. Course you probably know that you can't always trust your vet 100% of the time, even if you generally like him/her. But - Tally was always a big supporter of IA and I've come to believe there's something to that. So I use IA. For a kitty that's already disk, IO may be more potent, but I could only guess, don't know. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Nina wrote: Hi Guys, I just heard something interesting, and a bit distressing, from my vet's office. I had called about Grace's condition and to ask if I could come in to pick up some Interferon A. Now, I didn't get to talk directly to the vet, but I was told that Interferon A and O will work exactly the same way, that the injectable isn't stronger than the oral. I knew the main reason for using it was the 'immunity' factor, but I also was under the misconception, (apparently), that it somehow worked better. If the only benefit derived from the VO is extended use, then it may not be feasible to use it, I know I can't afford extensive, long-term use of this product as things stand. If this is the case, why are we jumping through hoops and spending all this money on VO? I guess when push comes to shove, it will be good to have the VO on hand, if/when the A stops working, but I'm feeling a little duped here. I have to do some further investigation about this, I'm not sure it's really the case, but I wanted to put it out there. Nina
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
So what's the status of the two 17 yr old healthy cats? Gloria On Jun 10, 2005, at 9:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get. In Bronx, NY
Re: Vitamin C questions
Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: Bramble, questions and Grace
I think it was sold for dogs with Parvo before it ever caught on for cats. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 9:58 PM, catatonya wrote: This is promising news!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle
Re: Vitamin C questions
Right - the stuff from Dr. Belfield is powder. The Vit C that I order is Rainbow Light Vit C Powder, I've been ordering it from Betterlife.com, online. Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 8:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not to butt in here but you can get Vitamin C in powder form? did I read that correctly? And its daily right? Thank you, kristi From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:40:47 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: FIP
Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats own genetic makeup, or something like that? Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote: I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will be exposed to already. It's just that most cats exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already afraid of that. How catchy is it for my other cats? How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another infectious disease? She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the fever? It worked with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days (too much aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that small would get, or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to the vet first. Michelle
Re: Vitamin C questions - Gloria
Yes, that's usually what I do - no problems that I can recall... Gloria On Jun 13, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Del Daniels wrote: Did you begin with 250 mg Vitamin C without kitty having diarrhea? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: FIP - Good Explanation
Thanks - interesting article - note re developing FIP: genetic susceptibility, the presence of cats that are shedders, and cat-dense environments. What are the factors that predispose a small percentage of cats with FECV to the development of FIP? Research is currently trying to find more answers to this question, but some facts are becoming clear. Dr. Janet Foley and Dr. Niels Pedersen of the University of California at Davis have identified three key risk factors: genetic susceptibility, the presence of chronic FECV shedders, and cat-dense environments that favour the spread of FECV. ... Gloria On Jun 13, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Joan Doljan wrote: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/FIP.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from what i understand FIP is the body's response to the mutated corona virus. i think its the virus itself not the bodies genetics but the viruses. there are many corona viruses (kind of like breeds of cats) and every once in a while there is mutation (kind of like double paws). michelle really gets this one.. an I in the right track michelle? kristi From: Gloria Lane Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 11:19:18 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIP Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats own genetic makeup, or something like that? Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote: I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will be exposed to already. It's just that most cats exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already afraid of that. How catchy is it for my other cats? How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another infectious disease? She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the fever? It worked with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days (too much aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that small would get, or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to the vet first. Michelle
Re: gave torb last night-helped alot
I'm so glad! They can pop back when you least expect it! Best of luck, I know it's hard. Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 7:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i gave him torb 1mg last night (for some relief of his discomfort and mild sedation)and it defiantely helped with his jitteriness. she said i could do 2 mg if i wanted, but prepared me that it might in turn help him pass. that would have been ok, but here we are this morning and he just had a taste of some junk canned food, and his favrite food ever- purina one kitten soaked with a little warm water and topped with tuna flavored cat dressing. don't ask how i found that recipe out as his favorite- you all understand how we are. Maybe tonight won't be the right time either- i'm not planning it anymore- i've learned my lesson, when he and i are ready we'll know and then it won't be such a tormenting descision to make. Anyway i'm debating on giving him more- he looks comfortable but i'll be gone for a long day of work (10-6)- what to do, what to do these times are always so tough. Thank you for bearing with me everyone he's only my 2nd leukemia to get this sick, the other if you remeber was Tai-Tai she had a PCV of less than 8 and was turning blue because she couldn't get enough oxygen- so that was a different type of descision-much easier- she was obviously suffering and in need of help to pass. Kristi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/14 Tue AM 08:10:53 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: yes-got injections I understand. What you are saying makes sense now. It is bad that he is not responding at all to the dex. I am really sorry. If you have not reached the vet, oral valium, if you have any in the house, can calm them in their last stages. I have given a whole human dose pill before, in the very end stages. I think it acts sort of like morphine-- calms and also makes the passing faster. As a warning, though, no vet has ever advised me to do this. I have done it on my own. Michelle In a message dated 6/13/05 9:59:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: thanx michelle- sorry i was unclear- yes he did get dex depo. he actually got dex 2 x today. my vet wanted me to do it every 12 hrs. he will have a third injection tomorrow morning. the fact that he has actually gotten worse even with the injections on board is why my bfriend and I haved decided on tomorrow night, actually since i wrote about the descision about tomorrow night he has gotten increasingly uncomfortable and is starting to look slightly distressed, i was just about to call the vet at her home and ask if i could give him something slightyl sedative.
Re: New to felv have questions
Hi Peggy, i'm so sorry about Thorne, she was so young, but so lucky to have a loving home with you. According to my rumor mill, if they make it to 5, they're doing pretty good. My last two died between 2 and 3 years of lymphoma. That seems to be a critical age. There's something about when they get it too - if they're born with it, vs, if they get it later. Anybody? After my first 3 died, I've started using daily interferon alpha, as a way to boost the immune system and hopefully stop the virus from mutating into a form that produces disease. So far so good. Don't know! But there are many who proclaim the virtues of interferon, and I'd like to hopefully prolong their little lives. Sending good wishes for you all, Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Peggy Rankin wrote: This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused. so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
Re: felv cat in texas needs placement
There's a lady near Oklahoma City looking for an FELV companion. I'll look up her email address. Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received a post from a friend in Texas can anyone help with this felv cat? If so please email me off list for an contact. I am waiting to get a phone number or email address for this woman who currently has this cat: He is a male cat, about 2 years old. No symptoms others than he is currently being treated for a URI and will have to be on CD for the rest of his life. He is gray and white, mediuim length hair, beautiful face. His owner is unable to care for him any longer. She is a psychologically/emotionally challenged woman -- cannot handle problems, stress, etc. He is currently in Houston. Will be willing to transport within a reasonable distance. Thanks Carla
Re: FeLV and pregnancy
And, as I recall, cats can only get the parasite that causes toxo by eating raw meat - such as outdoor cats eating mice. Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 12:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Erika! I can't stress enough that FeLV is *not* transmissable to humans (pregnant or not)!! I believe what the Cornell site is trying to do is to inform pregnant women of the *rare* threat of toxoplasmosis (a parasite that *can* be transmitted to humans unlike FeLV which is species specific)...and because FeLV cats are immuno-suppressed, they could be more suceptible to toxoplasmosis...but, again, we've got to use common sense here...toxoplasmosis is mainly transmitted by contaminated meat...and contaminated meat is generally found outdoors...as long as Tom remains indoors, his chances of picking up toxoplasmosis are essentially nil! And I will also take this opportunity, again, to point out the toxoplasmosis is a fairly uncommon disease! Unfortunately, the Cornell website is inadvertantly suggesting that FeLV is a threat to a fetus by telling pregnant women to avoid cats with FeLV...this is *not* the case! Toxoplasmosis is the only parasite (or disease, aside from rabies), that I know of, that can be transmitted to humans. It is highly unlikely that Tom even carries this parasite, but common sense measures should be taken when handling the litter box (the parasite is shed in the feces of infected cats)...always wash your hands after cleaning the box (wear gloves for even more protection!)...or, better yet, have another member of the household clean the box while you're pregnant! Personally, I would welcome 9 litterbox-free months! :) Hope this helps clarify! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:40 am Subject: FeLV and pregnancy Does anyone know about having an FeLV cat while I am pregnant? Our vet and my OB said it is ok, but my mother is still worried. I am under the impression from all the info I have read that it is not transmissable to humans, but the Cornell site said to avoid FeLV cats if you are pregnant. Any other research out there? Help! I am not getting rid of my Tom Also, Lots of good thought for finding Smokey I am sure you will. ^..^ Erika When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
Re: New to felv have questions
Thanks, Hideyo, good information - Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I am so sorry for your loss When a cat is tested positive for FeLV, I read that there are different scenarios and I am copying the article below: Please know that there is a good chance that Petal might have either transient infections (30 to 35% of cats) or latent infections (5-10%) please put him on the good diet and good supplement as he might be able to get rid of the virus I have heard and read many articles where cats live healthfully for a long time (can be over 10 years) even with the positive status so please dont be discouraged it seems that the critical survival time for FeLV cats are for the first three years, the fact that he is already 5 years old, he might have just transient infections from the other kitty please keep the hopes high I have one FeLV+ kitty, Ginger, she is only 1 year old, but I am taking one day at a time and do the best that I can do for her - What happens to a cat after being exposed to FeLV? If the cat becomes infected from the exposure, 2-4 weeks later, in the acute stage of infection, large numbers of the virus can be found in the bloodstream (viremia). Cats in the acute phase usually do not show signs of disease. If they do, the signs are usually mild fever, slight lethargy, and swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy). When an adult cat is exposed to FeLV, four things can happen: 1. Approximately 30% of adult cats will not be infected due to inadequate exposure. 2. 30-35% of adult cats have a transient infection; over the course of 6 months or so, the cats will eventually kill all of the virus. 3. 5-10% of adult cats will develop latent infections; these cats will not be able to kill all the virus, but will be able to hold it in check. This is called a latent infection. These cats usually show no signs of infection and usually do not shed virus in their saliva or other body secretions. Queens, however, may still pass the virus in utero or through the milk. 4. 30% of adult cats will become persistently infected; these cats will not develop an adequate immune response and will remain permanently infected with FeLV. These are the cats who will become ill and die of FeLV-related diseases, usually within 2-3 years of infection. These cats will shed large amounts of virus in their saliva. Age is a very important factor in determining what will happen after a cat is exposed to FeLV. Almost all FeLV-exposed kittens less than 8 weeks of age will have persistent viremia and show signs of disease during the acute phase. As kittens get older, there is the probability of becoming persistently infected after exposure lessens, until it reaches approximately 30% in adulthood. The prevalence of FeLV infection is highest in cats between 1 and 6 years of age, with a mean age of 3 years. Males are 1- times more likely to be infected than females. This may be due to the frequency in which intact males roam and fight. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New to felv have questions Peggy, I am so sorry for your loss. How long have Petal and Flower lived together already? How long did they live with Thorne? When I was in a similar situation I separated like you have done, but mine had already lived together at least 3 months, so I just brought my positive cat back home and let her live with the rest of my cats. No one ever caught it from her. It's important to know who was newest to the household, etc... to try to determine what's best, but most likely, if Flower has already lived with the other 2 positive cats for any amount of time she either already has it and is just not testing positive (yet) or she's not going to get it. tonya Peggy Rankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused. so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
Re: FeLV and pregnancy--toxo
Cats apparently initially acquire it if they eat raw meat, although they can (less common) acquire it in utero - Once they acquire it by eating raw meat - then it goes to the litter box. But I could not find that other cats acquire it from the litter box. Perhaps so, I just couldn't find it. At any rate, if your cat has never been an outdoor hunter, well, that's good. From the Cornell site, ...Cats acquire Toxoplasma infection by eating any of the three infective stages of the parasite: cyst, oocyst, or tachyzoite. Following ingestion of cysts in infected prey (rodents or birds), the intraintestinal infection cycle begins. This cycle occurs only in members of the cat family. The organisms multiply in the wall of the small intestine and produce oocysts, which are then excreted in great numbers in the feces for two to three weeks. Within five days the shed oocysts may sporulate, becoming infectious to other animals and to humans. Sporulated oocysts are highly resistant to environmental conditions and can survive in moist shaded soil or sand for many months. ... Ingestion of tissue cysts in infected prey or in other raw meat is probably the most common route by which cats are exposed to Toxoplasma. Congenital infection (transmission from mother to fetus) occurs in sheep, goats, and humans, but is much less common in cats. On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also from sharing litterboxes-- it is passed in feces. Michelle In a message dated 6/14/05 5:24:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, as I recall, cats can only get the parasite that causes toxo by eating raw meat - such as outdoor cats eating mice. Gloria
Re: Any more animal communication questions?
Yes! Susan and I are looking for a lost cat (again) - Smokey, a Siamese cat. It's in a wooded area, nice residential area, but backs up on the woods near the freeway. We want to know if he's alive and where to look. Should I email you privately? Gloria On Jun 15, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Kathleen A. Berard wrote: Hi, everyone. I just wanted to see if there are any more questions; I will be signing off Thursday night as I am traveling to Dallas to teach a workshop. Kat Kathleen A. Berard, Animal Communicator, Vibrational Essences Practitioner and Holistic Care Consultant KATALYST FOR ANIMAL WHOLENESS, INC. www.katberard.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL ME TO RECEIVE A COMPLIMENTARY SUBSCRIPTION TO THE MONTHLY KATS JOURNAL NEWSLETTER! If you don't know what your passion is, realize that one reason for your existence on Earth is to find it. Oprah
Re: picture of Bones (OT)
A beautiful kitty! Gloria On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Jenn wrote: Hi everyone, I finally got a pic of Bones for you all. Thanks to everyone for their support. She is doing GREAT! Sorry for the OT post, but I knew everyone would want to see her: http://ucat.us/Bones.jpg Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html\
Re: Misha
I agree - it's typical for kitties to have eye problems and diarrhea problems, whether or not they carry the FELV virus. Options - keep her in 1 room for a while, try W/D cat food from the vet, along with flagyl (from the vet). If that doesn't work, try plain human chicken; or try different meat - such as Nutro lamb and turkey; try plain white rice mixed in with some cat food - that's a good one. Or try adding a little pumpkin (fiber) to the cat food. You can also get a homeopathic diarrhea formula at the health food store - it's liquid - I frequently have success with that. It's $8 or $9. I agree also - this is not a type of FELV - FELV is a virus that lowers the immune system. It opens the door for various diseases to come in. The question is what problem does she have. Many vets are not good with figuring out FELV (and some don't care). Best of luck - Gloria On Jun 17, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Paul Jr wrote: Hey out there I need some sugeestions/feedback about Misha and what we should do with her. Misha is six years old and tested pos for FeLV. We have had her for almost 6 1/2 years. She is in good health and none of the other cats (all share the same wate dish) have FeLV. Misha's FeLV shows up, according to her vet by attacking her intestines. She has chronic bouts of what we call drippy butt. She leaves little presents aorund the house. She has been on various medications and recently the vet suggested Kaopectate or Pepto Bismo, which made her problem worse.(gave her pain and lots of diahreha) I have read aobut medications to treat FeLV, none of which cure it just maybe ease the symptoms. Does anyone else have a cat with this type of FeLv and if so what do you do? Also give me some feedback. We live in Gainesville, Fl and my husband and I are expecting our first child in the end of July. We have considred putting Misha down but she seems to have so much playfullness and affection (most of the time) that we really hate to. Money is a problem and we are both nervous about exposing a baby to her. Thanks for the help! Melody\
Re: Misha
As I understand, there are human juveniles that do that too...and it's considered normal! On Jun 18, 2005, at 2:31 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: there are even diapers for kitties, too, if the problem is chronic--there are a lot of cats around who are full of life and love, just can't control their bowels, who bop around in diapers quite happily, i'm told! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: George update - part II
WONDERFUL WONDERFUL WONDERFUL! Congrats! Gloria On Jun 20, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Thank you SOOO much everyone for sending George and myself a positive energy and prayer!! I finally CAUGHT George last night – I tell you it was one of the most scary things I had to do (emotional wise). I knew that I was not going to be given a second chance if I messed it up, but I also did not want to regret by not trying since I did not know how long he was going to come see me regularly like he has been for the past two weeks, which has been a miracle to me as well. Anyway, I finally caught him in a fish net, and it was not a pretty site – he got all tangled in a net and I had a very difficult time to transfer him from the net to a dog trap – I had to tear up all the net to get him out - but no matter how difficult it was, I was so determined not to mess it up – I kept apologizing to George about scaring him like this while I was doing it – poor baby, his mouth was bleeding from the net – I felt so bad – but I somehow he knew that I was doing so to help him (because he did not bite me (and he so could have), and let me scratch his head during this trauma- He is in a crate right now, he ate all the food I gave to him last night (chicken with broth) and even ate some dry food, too – I was very glad, because some feral cats I rescue usually don’t eat for at least 24 hour or so due to the stress – I am planning to take him in to a vet soon, am not sure if I should have them anesthetize him for a brief time so that they can draw a blood from him and check him out thoroughly (I hate to do that to him), or try to hold him without anesthesia which also can be stressful. He is not neutered yet, but I would like to wait until his health recovers and I know what we are dealing with before I have him go though the surgery. I also let Squeaky out from a crate (she is the one who has been tested negative, positive, equivocal, and indeterminate and all that stuff on FIV test since March) – she was in a crate for so long, I couldn’t do it to her anymore – I promised her a good life when I re-trapped her after my neighbor dumped, and I feel like I was not keeping my promise to her though I only mean to keep her in a crate for a very short amount of time, and I did not expect this test results back that way for that long – anyway, she IS finally OUT of a crate – when I did, I cried so hard, I did not know why, but the tears couldn’t stop falling – I guess I was glad that she was finally out - she is very cute, she still goes back to a crate to sleep as she feels safe there – but I am leaving the door open so that she can go back and forth if she wants to – this morning I found her on the bed with me, as soon as she saw me wake, she freaked out and jumped down… Please pray that George’s health will only get better going forward! Thank you again everyone for your support! Hideyo
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
I've always had trouble getting my cats to eat Wellness.Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:54 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not Less Than 1.1%* * Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Hey, I'll try it. Been looking around for something to order or buy locally. Thanks so much! Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Nina wrote: My guys stuck their noses up at Wellness too. I just bought Triumph canned and my guys seem to like every flavor so far. It doesn't contain meat by-products, or veggies, but it does have rice flour and guar gum. Nina Gloria Lane wrote: I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source
OT Hospitals - Michelle
Michelle, in my experience hospitals are scarey places - have been there with various loved ones at times during the last 15 years. Witnessed too many mistakes...Gloria On Jun 24, 2005, at 6:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... to hear what goes on is scary - I don't want my family on the intensive car unit. The amount of mistakes that the medical staff make with drugs and doses has led to many fatalities or decline in condition. I think this will happen when ever medicine is concerned. Half the time they guess to appear that they know what they are doing - very scary Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
Re: DD's allergies again....
My Lancelot also has cruddy itchy ears... Gloria On Jul 5, 2005, at 11:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Snowball, who had FIV, always had cruddy itchy ears. Simon always had black stuff in his ears too. I think some immune- compromised cats get that. It was not earmites for them. Sometimes it can be a yeast infection in the ears. You might want to get a swab checked for that. It requires special meds. Steroids make yeast worse. Michelle
Re: sniffles-gloria
OK - I already asked the vet about it - and for some reason she ruled out lymphoma. Can't remember why she gave me Zeniquin, but the other options I mentionedt o her were Cyclosporin and Zithromax. Have to research those. Lancelot is better but he's not right. Wondering if he's going to get worse after the Depo shot wears off. He does have cruddy yucky ears - not black, but pink (he's a white cat) with yellow crust inside. Gloria On Jul 6, 2005, at 10:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed what you sai about his eyes being allergy-like. Never mind what I said about lymphoma, because that would not cause this symptom. Michelle
Re: transfer factor
I would just say, briefly, - processed food loses vitamins; also illnesses that are helped by specific nutrients. Gloria On Jul 7, 2005, at 9:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is probably a stupid question, but I'm gonna ask anyway..Cats in the wild eat an all meat diet without vitamin supplements...Why do our domesticated kitties need them? Clouds.jpg
Re: (no subject)
Are you saying that she's feral? Or is she a stray? Is it a light positive, or a strong positive? Gloria On Jul 11, 2005, at 3:58 PM, maimaipg wrote: I had a cat tested for FeLV a few weeks ago and she came back positive. We will retest soon. She is about a year old, maybe pregnant, and a throw away. I have never had this happen before and I have done spay release for several years with feral cats. I contacted vet who does alternative medicine and we have her on supplements hoping to boost her immune system. Can anyone give me any advise on how to care for this cat? I have one 13 year old cat that is negative for FeLV but who has some health problems so I can't even consider letting them together. Any information would be appreciated.
Re: Need advice for FELV+ 6 week old kitten!
Hmmm - well, if the kitten tests positive for FELV, then he has the virus. I think it's an antigen test isn't it, not antibodies, for the office Elisa test. But as I understand, his little immune system could still throw the virus off, as you said. He should be tested again. I really don't know what I'd do - try to support his immune system or leave him be and do it on his own. I'd probably look at Interferon. Re Vit C, Dr. Belfield has a reputation for Vit C, and for using it against FELV. www.belfield.com, I think. Re when to retest, I don't recall - seems like it's 90 days... Again, was it a light positive or a strong positive? Gloria On Jul 11, 2005, at 5:42 PM, Brenda K. Smith wrote: Hi All.. I have a friend who's mother in Oregon rescued a little boy kitten who is about 6 weeks old now. Last week he tested positive for felv on the in office test. I don't know if it was the Snap or Elisa. The lady, Margaret, said they also sent out a sample to be tested at a lab. I believe it was the IFA. She found out today that it is also positive. I asked if they reported that it was replicating in his bone marrow and she asked the vet's office. The person said they thought that in order for it to be positive on the IFA that it would indicate it was replicating in the bone marrow. Is that true? When Margaret's daughter called to ask advice, I told her that a kitten may test positive from the mother cat's antibodies and that the kitten could possibly throw off the virus with good care, human grade food, stress level kept down and Interferon if the kitten is old enough to take it. I recommended Wellness kitten food and Margaret purchased both dry and canned Wellness. Margaret's vet upon seeing the positive test recommended euthanasia immediately. Margaret said absolutely not! She said they had already fallen in love with him and he was energetic showing no signs of illness. I know this lady very well having taught her and her daughter almost 15 years ago how to bottle raise 5 orphan kittens. She will do whatever is necessary to keep this kitten healthy and loved. Here are the questions for which I need answers: 1) Can a 6 week old kitten be on Interferon? I recommended the newest protocol (which I use) of daily Interferon. I use 1 ml daily for my adult cats. What would the dose be for a 2-3 lb. (I think) kitten? 2) If the kitten is positive with the IFA and/or is replicating in his bone marrow, will he remain persistently positive or can he throw if off? 3) Also, if replicating in bone marrow if/when should he be tested again? 4) What other supplements would be recommended? Vit C? What dose for a kitten? L-Lysine? What dose for kitten? If any of you have any other recommendations, please feel free to mention them. I will be calling Margaret tonight or tomorrow to read some of your answers. I will also be printing them out and mailing them to her. Margaret is in her early 70's and I don't know whether she has a computer. I really appreciate any advice you all might have for this cat/ kitten loving lady. All of my experience with felv+ with my cats have been as adults. I have never had a tiny positive kitten. I know I could go to the archives, but I still have dial up and limited internet time so I'm hoping you all don't mind repeating advice for Margaret. Thank you so much. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http:// www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself. - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
Re: FIV+ Kitty
Are you in Rochester, NY? Gloria On Jul 12, 2005, at 7:38 AM, Amy Wilkins wrote: Just got a call from my vet about a female torti that she found at her barn that tested FIV+. She is willing to give me til the end of the day to see if we can find anybody that might be interested in taking her. She said she did fine on the car ride and is fine in the cage and will do ok in an indoor home. I'm getting married in a couple weeks and I have a very sick leuk positive at my home now so I just can't introduce this one into my home. Would anybody be willing to take her? She will spay her and worm her free of charge and I can transport her. She is an adult, possibly 3 or 4, don't know at this point. Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com
Sniffles and red face- Lancelot
I'd written about my problems with Lancelot - my little mostly white kitty - he had the slight sniffles, red swollen face and eyes, face and neck starting to itch. Weird. His nose was stopped up, he looked miserable. He was starting to scratch bloody places on his neck. Took him to my usual vet, who tried Amoxi, Zeniquin, blood test, fungal test. No help. He had a couple of Cortisone shots, the 1st seemed to make it better then worse. She suggested food or other allergies as a possibilities. Last Friday, I took him to another vet I go to, about an hour away in Hot Springs. I've gone to her before for several years. She gave him ozone in his ears (ear insufflation), did a skin biopsy, then gave me Ovaban (if I spelled it right) and I'm giving him that for a week (then reduce to once a week). Guess what! He's better. I'll still be curious to see what the skin biopsy says, but I'm delighted. Gloria On Jul 2, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hey Tonya, I just attempted to have some Chlorphenarimine / Chlor Trimeton compounded into an ear cream. They got it wrong and made a liquid for oral consumption. The pharmacy said the ear cream would be $50. I'm curious - how much do you get and how much does it cost? I didn't know you could give kitties Benadryl, so interested in that. My problem is Lancelot - got him in January,February - declawed, outdoors for two months. He had the sniffles. I've tried everything - Lysine, Interferon, antibiotics, most recently a depo shot, which of course did help some. THought I'd do the ear cream because he's so hard to pill. Anyhow - any suggestions are appreciated, and info on *ear cream* ! Gloria At 12:26 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote: I had it compounded into a cream for her ears to make it easier to give it to her. She is overgrooming her tummy and her 2 back legs to where there is very little hair yet. The vet says it's allergies and recommended prednisolone. We tried the baths, but she really HATED that! her benadryl dose is 25 mg. twice daily. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the dose, and why is she getting it? And why in her ears? You can actually give Benadryl orally to cats, the dosage is 1MG per pound, so since a tablet is 25MG, you'd need to give a little less than 1/2 a tablet to a 10 pound cat, or if you buy the capsules, you can dissolve the opened capsule's powder into a bit of water, shake well, and only give 1/3 of the liquid, OR use children's benadryl liquid, but I'm not sure the strength of that, so you'd have to do the math. When you say she is overgrooming, do you mean she is cleaning one spot until she has no hair left? For Mythic's skin itchies, I just used a good quality aloe cat shampoo and bathed him once a week, and it seemed to help him a lot. The vet gave me a special shampoo, but I found some stuff at the hardware store that seems to help even more. The stuff the vet sold me is made by Virbac, and it's called Epi-Soothe Shampoo (label says available through vets only, and no number). The stuff that works better for Mythic, is made by TropiClean, and it's called Aloe Moist Natural Shampoo (1-800-542-7387). I wont ever buy any other kind of shampoo again, it's really awesome stuff, smells great too. Mythic also got shots at the vet for a while, I'd have to dig up his records to tell you what it was though. They only last for a couple of weeks, wasn't really worth the trip. Changing his food to one with no grains helped more than anything, his hair is still thin, but he does not scratch much at all now. Jenn http://ucat.us/http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~ ~~ DD is still overgrooming with the benadryl cream. It doesn't seem to effect her. Her dosage is 1mL twice daily (alternate ears) do you remember what you used? I saved some other ideas I may try next, but the pharmacist said my prescription was a very 'low' dose. I wonder if my vet prescribed a low dose because she didn't think it would work and I insisted on trying it? My vet can be like that No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/2005
Re: Our boys' B-day!
Wow, congratulations. That's something to be thankful for! Gloria On Jul 20, 2005, at 2:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to wait to post on the actual day...but since the list is a little slow (and because I couldn't wait to announce it) :) ...Our boys, Sleepypants and Ewok, will be 3 years old on the 22nd! :) Not too shabby for a couple of guys born with the virus! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George
Re: TeeCee is looking for a home...
It's probably a good idea to give your location to the list - where are you? Best of luck, Gloria On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Stephanie E Caldwell wrote: My FELV+ kitty is looking for a new home. I'm not in a position to give him what he needs. My family doesn't especially enjoy cats, and he'd be much better off with someone where he can socialize. He's healthy and doing great. He is an intact male and occassionally sprays, but other than that is litter box and kennel trained. I'm not just looking to unload him on someone, he can stay with me forever, but I'd like to find him someone who is more able to keep him and he can roam with their other kitties inside. My old cat hasn't ever accepted him and he terrorizes her trying to be friendly. If anyone is interested I have some pictures of him and he's a sweet heart! Steph
Re: URGENT
That address doesn't work... could you resend it? Thanks - On Sep 7, 2005, at 12:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are looking for homes for 2 FELV+ cats http://FELVadopt.html They may be in euthanized if we cant find homes for them. They're very loving cats. Thank you for your time.
Re: sores in the mouth
How frustrating! Just wondering if you've started giving them interferon - I use that for my FELV kitties - also I have some vitamin stuff from Dr. Belfield (belfield.com) that they say is good for mouth sores - I don't know, I got it for something else, but worth a try. Gloria On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:04 AM, Terri Durham-Stone wrote: My 3 FELV kits (almost 5 months) , I noticed have not been eating as well as they were and noticed they all have red sores in their mouths. Is there something I can give them for these ? They just recently lost their brothers (Albany and Macon) and I am trying my best to keep these 3 healthy. Terri ps one of them is sneezing so bad, I have to take a shower after I come from their room so as not to expose my other kits. -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life Spay and Neuter Live well, Love much, Laugh Often
Re: Sheila and Bubba
Sheila, I am so sorry. I know that beautiful Bubba will always be in your heart. He sounds like such a special wonderful kitty. Sending all my good wishes for your healing. Gloria On Sep 7, 2005, at 10:56 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: It sounds like Bubba had a lot to teach us humans.What a wonderful character to share your life with, and what a stroke of luck for you to find each other. I'm so sorry to hear you've lost the dear little furball, Sheila. I can well imagine how much you're going to miss him. Please know you're in my thoughts. hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: (no subject) Please add my beautiful Bubba to the list.He left us Friday evening after a long struggle with Felv. I have never had a cat who enjoyed life so much.He was my oldest (16) and sweetest.He was the last of a family of seven that came to us in 1989. His life was so full of mishaps the first few years he would sneak out of the house like a little escape artist .He was hit buy a car twice and twice attacked buy neighborhood dogs. Once he got out and was missing for 10 days. With the help of everyone in the neighborhood we searched everywhere we could think to look. We finally gave up the search thinking he was gone for good.Then late one night I heard a little meow outside when I opened the door he stood there grinning like he had only been gone a few minutes. After losing his left front leg he decided the adventures weren't worth the pain and gave up his life of escape.His injuries left him a little slow mentally (Forest Gump),but that only made him more loveable. Everything about him was bigger than life ,his curiosity,his appetite, his ability to charm and get along with every one. I can't imagine life without this sweet precious rogue. Sheila
Re: Another emergency!! - at home oxygen tank?
Oops - sorry, I haven't been keeping up. I have the carrier now, and the contact info of the couple who rigged it up (she was on the board of the humane society, he's an engineer). If you're near me, you're welcome to it, and I'll drive it part way - if not email/call them and they can describe how to rig it up! One vet tech at the emergency clinic thought I was crazy, said it was a fire hazard. I thought for a moment, and said, you're wrong, it's used for people in their homes all the time. Why not for animals? Gloria Little Rock, Arkansas On Sep 9, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Nina wrote: I can't remember who it was, but someone rigged a carrier so that there was very little ventilation and funneled the oxygen into it with the cat inside. Nothing was inserted into their nose as far as I can remember. I've looked for the old email and can't find it. I just went to search the archives and I did find this from Gloria, (sorry Gloria, I should have known it was you, TC, or Patti!). Anyway here's what Gloria wrote about making her own oxygen cage: I have a carrier that was converted into an oxygen cage/carrier by a friend's husband - he's an engineering type. I got it from her, just in case, before my Cala died. If you're ever interested, I'll be glad to share the carrier (I'm in Arkansas). My friends used it for her kitty, and then she loaned the carrier to me. The problem is getting a vet to prescribe the O2 tank that connects to the carrier -they think you're crazy... and of course you'd need to be home with him. Think the O2 tanks are rented on a monthly fee? People have O2 at home all the time - too bad it's not done more for cats and dogs that want to be home. Gloria
Re: FeLV cats need home
Where are you in Mississippi? On Sep 21, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Julie wrote: I volunteer for a group in Mississippi that rescues feral and domesticated cats and does TNR or adopts them out. I am the main foster home because I have a really big basement. Yesterday, I had 5 foster cats test positive for FeLV. 2 adult females and 3 kittens. Luna, Princess, Mocha, Hershey, and Godiva are all beautiful, healthy at the moment, loving, and playful. Right now I have them together in my gameroom. But I have 6 cats of my own, plus 6 other foster cats. I had to have everyone tested yesterday to find out who all had it. After that expense, I can't afford to do the IFA tests. I am paying for all this out of my pocket. I don't even have a job, I am a stay- at-home mom. Would anyone be interested in adopting any of them? All 5 of them get along great and could go together in any combination. The 2 adults are females and the kittens are 2 females and 1 male. They have all been spayed/neutered, had their rabies and FVRCP shots. I can send pictures if you want to see them. Sincerely, Julie Holeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^,,^ Saving just one animal won't change the world but, surely, the world will change for that one animal! Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Nina, my heart goes out to you, I am so sorry for your pain. These are such difficult, important, and soul-searching questions. I can only answer of course from my own experience, but want to mention that homeopathy also has ways of supporting the one who is about to pass on, so you might talk to your homeopath. I agree, I have always interpreted with animals and people, when they won't take the food or liquid out of the syringe or dropper, it's time for them to move to a different level. I usually allow my loved ones to move at their own speed, unless there seems to be pain or other difficulty. I really don't know how difficult it is to euthanize an emaciated animal - but they will pass on gently on their own. And, it's not hard to ask your vet about a simple sedative for Grace if you feel that's appropriate, and your dear Grace could remain at home. Also, again, a good contact might be the homeopath, to give you gentle suggestions on how to help Grace with making the transition. Let us know, we all are with you as you help her with this passage. Blessings, Gloria On Sep 22, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Nina wrote: My Beloved Group, First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the group this last couple of weeks. I love you all, but for the last couple of days, I haven't even been able bring myself to read the posts. I'm physically and emotionally exhausted by Grace and my last efforts to bring her back to health. Yesterday, I finally resigned myself to thinking of our time together as 'death bed vigil'. Those of you that know me, know that I pray all your babies are safe and healthy, and those that are losing, or have lost the battle; my love is with you. I don't know what I would have done without the love and support of this group. You have been a Godsend to me and my sweet fur angels. Yesterday morning Gracie told me she does not want to stay. Among other signs, I was syringe feeding her and she refused to swallow. I'm trying my best to make peace with her decision. I know you understand. She hasn't eaten on her own for a long time now and she's skin and bones. She spent a nice peaceful day, and I did my best to just be with her. During the afternoon she made it clear that she didn't want to be sung to, or touched. It's so hard on me to watch her pull away. At one point, she seemed a bit agitated so I ground up a tiny bit of Valium and gave it to her in water. She was so relaxed she even did a stretch-semi roll out on the patio in the sun. She did something that startled me, and got my hopes up again. (I just can't stop believing in miracles). I was giving the dogs treats and she was laying on the couch. Well, we have this thing Grace and I. Whenever the dogs get treats she'd come bounding over the barrier and expect one too. When she saw me giving the dogs treats this afternoon, she jumped off the couch. I started to cry, because I thought, there's no way she's going to take a treat. I put one in front of her anyway and you could have knocked me over with a sigh. It took her a minute to decide to eat it, but she not only ate that one, but 3 more. Then she ate 3 or 4 pieces of kibble! My hopes were short lived though. I've been up with her most of the night. She still doesn't want my attention. She doesn't even want me to look at her, it's breaking my heart to say goodbye, and I guess it may be making it harder for her to go, although that is not my intention. It's not like I don't want her to leave her body, I do. I want her suffering to be over. Yesterday, when I knew it was time, I called my Internist's office to see if Dr. Ortega would be willing to help her cross. Grace has always liked Dr. Ortega, and I thought she would be calmest with her. Well, my Internist isn't going to be in the office until Friday. It doesn't seem possible that Grace will still be here by then. My stance has always been, that when I know it's the end, when I know that the chance of a recovery after treatment isn't possible, then it's time to help them cross. Even though Grace is peaceful, (she just lays on her side and breathes shallow, but relaxed breaths), I have a hard time letting nature take it's course. It's arrogant of me, but I can't stand seeing her like this. I'm also so worried about her being in pain, when I look in her eyes, she doesn't seem in pain, but she doesn't seem like herself either. I wouldn't mind vacant, but it's almost like she's... not quite angry, more like annoyed to still be here. Just to let you know... Over the past week or so, I think I may have mentioned it, we've been following an extensive homeopathic regime with the help of a practitioner named Darla Palmer. While it didn't save Grace, it did bring her back into her body, and for brief glorious moments, back to me. It was such a
Re: Cornelll
Agreed - Cornell U. could do much better. On Oct 15, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Chris wrote: The only thing I don’t like about the Cornell site is that they have not updated their overview information to reflect current protocols. They still say you have to wait at least 30 days to use a space in which there previously was a pos cat… also, are very pessimistic about survival rate, and very much anti-mixing. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:28 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 60-Chris I am rather new to FeLV but Cornell University has good sites for information on this illness. If the anemia is from FeLV it has to be in the bone marrow which according to what I have read, means the FeLV has been with the cat for a long time. Our vet has our Stinky cat on Interferon and amoxicillin. Yesterday she had a red blood count of about 13 than a retest showed a count of 18 which they feel is too high for a transfusion but, that will probably be low enough by Monday for another transfusion. However, the anemia may not be from FeLV at all. There are other things lurking out there that cause it like FIA which is hard to detect but, the doxycycline should handle that if that is what your cat has. And, as Michelle has pointed out, and my vet has pointed out, it may be cancer that is at the bottom of anemia so, don't despair, it may not be FeLV. Even as sick as my Stinky cat is, I am still holding out hopes that ELISA was wrong and the IFA test was right! Best of luck and all our prayers! Stinky's Mom and Dad
Re: Kitten with diarrhea
Also, homeopathic Nux Vomica is often helpful, again, depending on the symptoms. And there are some homeopathic combo remedies for diarrhea that I like. Gloria On Oct 16, 2005, at 8:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also she can try Slippery Elm, either sprinkle powder over food, or make the syrup. Arsenicum Album, a homeopathic remedy has also worked well for some of my problem kitties. Another natural treatment is adding pumpkin to food. Has IBD (Irritable Bowel Disease been ruled out by vet??? Patti
Re: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
Thanks, Tracy. Like I said, I'd never heard of it. I'll call the vet sometime, and see what he says (if I can get to talk with him...) Meanwhile, I'll stick with my interferon alpha. Interesting. Gloria On Oct 17, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Tracy Weese wrote: My only experience with a FeLV+ cats getting the vaccine was scary. One of my adult cats (prob. 5-8 years old -- rescue cat so we were unsure of age) was at the Vet's and without thinking, they gave him the FeLV vaccine. Shortly thereafter, he started a downward spiral and it only got worse, eventually (w/i 7 mos) I PTS. Now, it could be a coincidence, but it made me uneasy. I have heard what you are saying, but until there is more info, I doubt I would intentionally do that. Maybe others have had a more positive experience. Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: 10/17/2005 11:56:26 AM Subject: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV Hi all, I've recently heard from someone , that one approach to enhancing the immune systems of FELV cats is to vaccinate them periodically for FELV. Anybody heard of that? It changed my thinking - I'd always heard NOT to give the FELV vaccine to FELV cats. Helps me remember not to get too set in my thoughts, in particular about FELV. Any knowledge of that? Thanks! GLoria
Re: Wrongful death of cat
Right, it's a hard lesson. But I can understand - people do put so much - too much - trust in vets and organizations that provide care for pets. It's too bad we can't hold vets/orgs. accountable in some way. Very sad. Gloria On Oct 19, 2005, at 3:52 AM, maimaipg wrote: This poor lady. Everyone has options. Just because a vet tells you something does not make it so. I can think of only a couple of times you have to surrender an animal and those times involve vicious animals involved in attacks on people. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:53 AM Subject: Wrongful death of cat I had to post this because I couldn't believe what I was reading. It is FIV and not FeLV but still this place is supposed to be a humane society and they would treat FeLV in the same way. The message came from a lady on the FIV group and it really did sicken me. If anyone wants to post her with advice I'll get her email address. hello,my name is angela and i am new to the group,sadly i join you under bad cercumstances.i live in pasadena,texas and just yesterday i took my 6 month old cat to the houston humane society's wellness clinic to be tested and recive his shots.they told me he tested positive for fiv and that it was highly contagous and he could not live with it.they said i had to sign him over to them to be put to sleep.i cant even begain to tell you how devistated i was,so reluctintly i gave him to them. later on i was looking around on the net and found out this was not true at all! i even call several vets they all informed me that i had many options other than death.now i am even more devistated,why would the houmane society do this? they never told me i had other options,had they i never would have put him down,i am both heart broken and very mad.i am trying to find out what action if any i can take to make sure they never do this to another cat and person again! if you have any info or idea please let me know,i could really use the help and support! thank you,angela
Re: Emilio and Frito
Angels Gate - eastern Long Island, www.angelsgate.org - I don't know anything about it - if you can find a small place, that might be good, but if not might be worth a shot to try them. Gloria On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:14 AM, Terri Brown wrote: Hmm, I don't know if there's one on Long Island. Terri in NJ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Emilio and Frito I was wondering about Tabby's Place, but couldn't remember the name. Isn't there one one on Long Island too? Again, can't remember the name! Gloria At 06:40 PM 10/26/2005, you wrote: Hi Chrissy, Wow. What a big heart you have. There are no FeLV+ shelters in this area (I'm in Bordentown, right around the corner from you). Taffy's Place in the Flemington area is full I think. Any shelter you take them to will PTS. I think Nikki's FeLV Rescue is full too. She's way up in the Sparta, NJ area. No doubt you've got your hands full. I'm full myself (in a 1 bedroom apartment), and all the cats are FeLV free at the moment. I mostly lurk on the list nowadays -- I've been with the group since 1999. Since we're so close (geographically), maybe give me a call sometime and we can chat. If nothing else, at least I can be a sounding board for you. 324-1604 Terri in Bordentown, NJ =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/ vze7sgqa/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html? 1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html? 1083970447350 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Christine Ott To: mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Emilio and Frito Hi everyone, I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have found you! How wonderful to have found such a group! Of course, it's sad news in my life that brings me here, though, but it's good to know there are other people out there doing what they can. We moved to Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two young, (felv - ) cats, Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new cat, Angus, whom we kept in seclusion for months until we could determine if he had any of the feline nasties (he was tested twice, several months apart). Of course, we didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have the ability to acquire us. He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia, and we were so thankful. Monkey and Simon may not feel the same way, since he's much bigger than they are, but we're working out the issues! Four months later, I heard a terrible crying sound coming from the hedges, and honestly had no idea what it was -- despite the growing number of cats in my household, they're all pretty young; I didn't have a cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the wide range of noises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, and discovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the bushes. We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, we thought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck would have it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the first person who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before the other two women got other kittens. So, we figured, What's one more? And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we could adopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart, but she developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozing face, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing, and by the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her up. Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All of my cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores the kittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks at Simon and Monkey... So, last month, on our one year anniversary in the house, a mommy cat and two young kittens show up, smelling a sucker, I guess. The neighborhood has a bad cat problem, and we've been talking about a trap-neuter-release program, but of course, every time a cat shows up, circumstances go weird, and we're not able to do the TNR thing. I volunteered at the shelter for a bit to get a sense what was going on with that, and while I admire so much of what the volunteers do, I will do my best to never surrender an animal to them, since it's a kill facility, and the city is so hard pressed for resources. So we figured we'd do our best to take care of our backyard, so to speak. We fed Mommy and babies (whom we named Emilio and Frito), and they stayed on the back porch. I asked around again to see if we could find a taker for these cats, and again, we
Re: positives and negatives
It's such a shame what some vets do. I kind of hope you told them why. Gloria On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Dudes wrote: When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orange Cotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10 kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found one who was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, they euthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to find another vet for my cats! Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 ...
Re: Another one - fantastic vet!
I totally agree - have mixed + and - with no problems. Gloria On Nov 2, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Nina wrote: Sue, If you ask a vet about mixing + with -, they will tell you not to do it. Why wouldn't they? It's not their household, the safest course of action is to keep them apart. Actually, the SAFEST course of action is to pts, I don't agree with that either, (obviously). I care more about quality of life rather than quantity, and there was never any hesitation about mixing in my house. It was a mute point anyway, because by the time I found out about my kitties pos status, they'd been mixed with my negatives for months. I had anxious feelings about the possibilities of my negs contracting felv, I knew it would be very tough for me to deal with that sort of consequence, but I also couldn't live with shutting up my angels in a room somewhere, that's no way to live, imo. From the experience of the folks on this list, (me included), a healthy adult, vaccinated cat has very little chance of succumbing to felv. Are Mary's other cats adult and healthy? I can't tell anyone else what to do, but if it were me, I'd vaccinate my cats, keep them separate for whatever the necessary period of time it takes to develop immunity and then celebrate the day when everyone could join together in one big happy family. Nina Sue Taft wrote: Thanks Nina Daisy is having the injectable Virbac Omega Interferon at first. One injection a day for five days, then one on day 14 followed by more later (I can't remember the exact protocol). She may then have it diluted to give orally or she'll carry on with the injections maybe once a month like my Eric has (FIV). We'll take the vets advice on which is best. Hopefully the ulcer will clear up quickly and Daisy will have a long happy life. I have every intention of going back to the original vet and telling him what we did. He apparently dismissed the use of the interferon immediately - in his opinion it's a waste of money! I'll have to show him my Eric's records too, nothing worked on his mouth and I'd have lost him if it wasn't for Sonia (who is my vet) suggesting the interferon. He needs to be told. Mary has other cats too, all negative (as far as we know) and all indoor cats. Would it be an idea to vaccinate these so that Daisy and Bungle can safely live among them? I know it's safe to mix FIV cats but I've no experience with FeLV. Sue
Re: risk of contagion Q
Well, the virus is very flimsy, as I understand it, the contagion is not high (like a URI). It is generally supposed to be contagious thru food and water, but I've mixed my felv+ and - cats for long periods of time, with them sharing food dishes, and no problem. Hope that's some comfort. Don't know if there's any research on that. Gloria On Nov 6, 2005, at 12:34 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi all What is the risk of negative cats becoming positive after they eat (just the one time) from a positive's food dish? (Not my cats, someone else's--the negs broke into the positive's room apparently and were found munching on the food.) feedback much appreciated-- Kerry
Re: OT: blue star ointment made RW worse?
OK thanks - thats not quite as overwhelming. Although it's starting to sounds like we all have it. Gloria On Nov 6, 2005, at 6:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I said we all, I meant my cats and me! Michelle In a message dated 11/5/2005 1:57:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow! Wonder if we all used Blue Star Ointment? Gloria At 12:38 PM 11/5/2005, you wrote: I fell asleep two nights ago petting a scab on lucy's back and dreamed we all had ringworm. Micehlle
Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea?
Nancy, that's GREAT! Good for you! Gloria On Nov 6, 2005, at 5:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crissy, in my opinion, Frito and Emilio should stay in their home! I personally have 16 cats, 3 of whom are positive now and several others in the past who have sadly lost the battle. All share each others lives closely, and NO ONE has ever caught this illness. Get your older cats vaccinated; if Frito hasn't aleady caught the virus, he very likely won't, and if he does, well, then you have 2 cats with leukemia. I have 2 girls who came to me with it, at 9 and 4 months of age, and threw it off at 12/7 months and are free at 13/5 years later. Never give up!! Please reconsider letting ther babies stay. Luv, Nancy and her MC
Re: risk of contagion Q
I don't vaccinate my negs - They have had vacs a long time back, but they're healthy and indoor, so I don't do vacs. Gloria On Nov 7, 2005, at 9:03 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Belinda, Gloria, Nina, Kerrywhat I don't know about the cats involved (in accidentally eating the positive's food) is whether they are vaccinated against FeLV. Here's a Q that I keep meaning to ask you (and everyone else who mixes): Do any of you mix successfully WITHOUT vaccinating your negs? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: risk of contagion Q Bailey (my positive) and all of his housemates share everything including food dishes, have for over 10 years. All of my negatives are still negative. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Update on Cricket 11-07-05
Wow, glad to hear he's hanging in there and that his gums are pink - and glad to hear that you had a break in Corpus Christi! Gloria On Nov 7, 2005, at 10:23 AM, wendy wrote: Hi Guys, I hope your weekend was a relaxing one. I did manage to relax in Corpus Christi some, which I needed. My mom, aunt, and cousin went by the house on Saturday and gave Cricket his Prednisolone and Cyproheptadine and loved on him quite a bit. My best friend came by Sunday and gave him his Prednisolone. I got home last night and gave him his meds and he drank quite a bit of tuna juice. I force fed him baby food this morning. I could kick myself because I told the vet to call in a prescrip in liquid form, because Cricket takes liquid better than pills, but the stuff smells and tastes horrible and he gags on it (did you know you could fill a prescrip for an animal at Walmart?!!!-I thought pharmacies were for people medicine only). The vet didn't have time to get the cream for his ear compounded before I left for the weekend, so I'm working on getting that today. When I got home, Cricket was very weak. He probably didn't eat or drink much while I was gone, but I think if I can get his strength back up with good food and water, he will be fine. One wonderful thing: I noticed as I was giving him his meds he has some pink back in his gums, so his body must have stopped or slowed killing the red blood cells! Hallelujah! If we can just get him over this hump, I think he might get that virus back into remission. He seems to be hanging in there and fighting. A million thanks and blessings again to all of you who help, encourage, and listen to everyone here on this webtalk page. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Sub Q fluids
I don't know where my vet got it - think from someone who works at the local university med center. But it's just a flexible plastic tube, about 6 or 8 inches. It has one end that allows me to fit it on the syringe. And the other end is for the needle. I think it's aactually called an extension. It means I can move the syringe, without the needle moving in the kitty, so more comfortable. Gloria On Nov 7, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, Gloria.. that's interesting.. can you explain (or draw a picture for me) how you do it? I got the part where you use syringe, but did not get the part about a flexible plastic extension.. I give my Hannibal fluid every couple of days for CRF and always try to find a way which is more comfortable for him.. thanks, bunch! Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sub Q fluids I also ordered a box of Terumo needles, size 20 . I also administer it a little differently. I have a 60 cc syringe, and have a flexible plastic extension that I put the needle on at the end. Give the cat more wiggle room. I fill the syringe, and use it (not the bag) to give fluids. I can push it more, if kitty is amenable to it. Just something I started doing a few years ago, and still prefer that method. Cats react differently to sub-q, also. I tried to give my Lancelot sub-q a few days ago, he's a bit dehydrated and has these weird persistent allergies. And he really acted like it was killing him. So no more sub q for him. For some cats, there's no reaction at all. Gloria At 12:53 PM 11/1/2005, you wrote: I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Need all your prayers - please!!
Think that's what I'd do! Gloria On Nov 7, 2005, at 2:11 PM, wendy wrote: I wouldn't think they could take them away from you; rather, that they give you ample time to place them in other homes. But if it was me, and I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this, if they told me I had to get rid of some of my animals, I would say ok, and take them to my moms until they came back to check, and then like a teenager, I would bring them right back home. I've always been a little rebellious like that. --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, I have a letter from my ex-vet who used to care for all my cats for the past 10 years and she is actually overseeing now the vet section at the animal control division, which I hope to build creditability as the letter says how responsible and caring I am for all my animals. Different officers came to inspect my place a few times and they were all very impressed with the set up (I spent $45,000 a couple of years ago and built facility for my cats in addition to my main house - windows everywhere, sky lights, outside enclosures.. etc.. and happy how well all my animals are taken care of.. but yes I will prepare for any possible ways for them to complain. I am also going to ask someone I know through rescuing.. she is with Animal protection service of my state and she has a lot of credibility with animal control.. so.. we will see.. I am still very nervous because they CAN take them away from me.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need all your prayers - please!! Hi Hideyo, I am sorry to hear about your city ordinance troubles. I agree with Kerry that having someone else there as an advocate for the care you are providing is a smart idea. Also, be prepared to disprove with proof the very reasons they are having you in for a hearing in the first place (ie. unsanitary conditions, neighborhood disturbance, whatever their reasons may be). Be well prepared, even overly prepared. This is the very reason I hope to one day have some land out in the country. The city government won't be able to tell me what to do with my life or my furballs. I will also say prayers for Ginger to begin eating better again. I am sorry for your troubles and I hope that things start looking up again. In the meantime, don't let them get you down. Keep going strong. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: To Ken and Max
Hey Ken - just wondering if you found another vet... Also, there are some other options - have you used interferon alpha? I give that every day to my kitties. Hope Max is doing well. I'm sending good thoughts and prayers for you two. Gloria On Nov 7, 2005, at 1:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy Thank you very much for your post and thoughts. max is going downhill rapidly and even though he has been eating, I just don't think he will even make it or be strong enough tomorrow for the innumoregulin. I have supplemented his food with iron and pet tinic but I am afraid I found out about this too late. We did have a great day Saturday as Max's tail went staraight up in the air as I let him outside in 70 degree weather. He also went out Sunday but I don't feel it was as good for him. I wish didn't have to work today and could just be with him. Thank You again
Re: Sub Q fluids
There all over, unfortunately... On Nov 7, 2005, at 10:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the vet I worked for was an idiot. Sorry to scare anyone. What's REALLY scary, is that she is most likely STILL in business down in Tennessee. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~ ~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/2005
Re: OT - FWD: URGENT OLD BRIDGE NJ 20 CATS NEED SAFE HAVEN
Hey Nina, No, just happened to see this on PurringPixie - well, we do hear occasionally. I know of a situation here in Little Rock where someone complained, but they weren't that heavy handed. I know of a situation in San Antonio also (thru another mailing list) where a neighbor complained and called the city. They seem to take more time with it and have a hearing and so on. I think here in Little Rock, and maybe other places, the city doesn't bother people who are over the limit unless neighbors complain. It's nice to have a network of people with cats, so one can get help if needed. Gloria On Nov 13, 2005, at 6:46 AM, Nina wrote: Gloria, Do you see this sort of thing all the time? It's heartbreaking. What do people without friends and resources do? God, I wish I had more money than I knew what to do with! This poor man, and those poor cats! What's your association with this, have you spoken to him directly? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: pixell9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:50:06 - Subject: [PurringPixieCatResource] URGENT OLD BRIDGE NJ 20 CATS NEED SAFE HAVEN (FWD MESSAGE) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] my name is dave rosenberg, I need help fast. one of my neighbors called the health dept because we have too many cats we need to find a shelter that will take almost 20 cats immediately! it all started with a neighbor leaving her pregnant cat when she moved noe I am over run with them. thw inspector suggested I bring them to the old bridge kennel, but I know they will be put to sleep beacuse the shelter is too small to accomodate more than for or five animals. please help! tell me where i can bring them. I have tried pet smart and private ads in the newspaper and have put up signs everywhere. now the health inspector will be back very soon I would appreciate any help you can give me. thank you. my email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] my phone number is 7325836287
Re: bloody nose
Just what I was thinking - a humidifier. I also use a homeopathic treatment for nosebleed - Arnica. Either liquid or tiny little pills, Works well. Gloria On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Barb Moermond wrote: I would get a humidifier going and, if you can get him to sit in the bathroom with you - some steam treatments. The moisture will help. My Bandit had a similar thing when he was wee, a sneeze and there's a red blotch on the wall in front of him. With Bandit, it cleared up by itself and steam helped. gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my FeLV + guys seems to be emitting a drop or two of blood when he sneezes. When I first got him and his sister they came down with a slight URI and I gave them Cefa drops and it cleared the female completely and I thought it had cleared Timmy also but he was still sneezing occassionaly but no noticible nasal discharge. Lately I have noticed a few little smears of blood on the bedding and yesterday I saw him sneeze while sitting on the big cat bed and I found a spot of partially coagulated blood - like my wife gets when she blows her nose in the winter when it is very dry out - I'm sure it came from when Timmy sneezed. Other than this he seems just fine, good appetite, shinny coat, bright clear eyes, etc. He is semi-feral and a close examination would not be a one man job. He will sometimes let me pat him and I have picked him up for a few seconds but you can tell he is very nervous about it. Made the mistake once of moving to quickly when I picked him up. He is not aggresive and has never tried to bite but I don't think an exam would be casual. Unlike his sister, Sweet Pea, who is just that. Gary Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Thanks, Terri, Del, Michelle, Kerry and all - Lancelot was a sweet little guy. I really appreciate your kind words and thoughts. Gloria
Fwd: Felv+ cat wanted
Didn't see this forwarded from the [FeLVPositiveCats] list - wanted to make sure it got out on the list - rescuer has space for an FELV kitty in New York. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: katjam4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: November 21, 2005 7:34:54 PM CST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] Felv+ cat wanted Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know of someone who recently lost one of her Felv+ cats and is looking for another to keep her remaining + cat company. Male between 1- 4 yrs old preferred and must get along with other cats. This lady is a rescuer and has other cats in the house, but her felv+ cats are kept in a seperate room. She lives in Port Washington NY (Long Island) and doesn't travel. If you know of a felv+ on Long Island that needs a home, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will forward the info to her.
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Just getting back to reading some of the msgs, Nina - Thanks so much - I like the part about keeping our heads and educating, I know what you mean. Regarding kitten deaths - certainly I don't know, but I do know that I've had my share of deaths in the fall, and I think part of that is the dryness of the weather contributing to the illness. I've had several deaths in Oct-Nov-Dec, where I just couldn't keep them hydrated. On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Nina wrote: Gloria, It just sucks. You go ahead and rant against injustice and suffering! My ex-husband just called me recently to tell me about a kitten he adopted from someone that found her on the street. Well, long story short, the kind hearted lug has ended up spending over $3000 bucks on a heart operation to save her life! You can imagine the tirade and pleas that came out of my mouth when in the same breath he told me he was considering declawing her because she was going to be an inside-only cat! He was completely clueless about the horrors of such treatment. By the time I took a breath, I'd convinced him that NO cat should ever be declawed. People are so ignorant sometimes, it's up to us to keep our heads and do our best to educate them, some of them do listen. Once again my sympathies, I was really pulling for you and Lance. Tell Sue I'm sorry about Carla too. What's going on with all the kitten deaths lately? It's so sad, I rarely wear makeup, if I did, it would always be running all over my face with all the tears I've shed lately. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Nina - I still have way too many words about it - like DARN why did they declaw that young kitten and let him out and so forth... And why couldn't I find out what was wrong. Life is so imperfect seeming, sometimes. Sigh, Gloria
Re: New Member
Hi Rebecca, that's so wonderful that you found Brooklyn, or rather he found you! Just wanted to send a short note to say check into giving him interferon - it's low-dose oral interferon. After my first losses of my dear FELV cats, I started giving them interferon as a way of enhancing the immune system. Now since Brooklyn is a kitten, he could possibly at some point go negative for FELV. Not necessarily but possibly. But as long as he's FELV+, interferon may help modulate his immune system and not get sick. You can get it from a vet, or order form islandpharmacy.com - there are a variety of prices from vets - ranging from expensive to cheap, so shop around. The vet I go to here in Arkansas charges $65 for a small bottle. I found another vet who sells it for $15 for a whole lot of it. Check out Tally's web site - about 3/4 down on the page she has links on interferon - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/stomatitis.html I'm a vegetarian, btw - was vegan at one time with vegan dogs. Anyhow - welcome - glad you're here! Gloria in Arkansas On Nov 22, 2005, at 12:47 AM, veggiepugs wrote: Wow, everyone is so welcoming and wonderful here. thank you so much. More about my kittyman...His name is Brooklyn P. O'Malley officially. LOL. My boyfriend named him Brooklyn because it's a very very special place to us, the P stands for Putty tat (doh) and O'Malley because he's got orange fur...makes me think of an irish red-head. LOL. I found him outside my office on Thursday and he very willingly came into my arms and into my life. He walked into my house like he owned the place. lol. Went right up to the dogs and marked them as his rubbing his face all over them. My dog Lucy didn't know what to make of it, she kind of looked as if she were saying ohmygod what is this!! she kind of had a help me mom! look in her eyes. My boy Linus wanted to play with Brooklyn and started doing the doggy play bow at him and barking at him to instigate him to play. Brooklyn wasn't startled by him in the least and just looked at Linus as if to say And that means what exactly? How silly you look. LOL. He is absolutely FAN-tastic. Beautiful, sweet, personable, smart, vocal aad hysterically funny. He rolls around, acts silly (a big personality plus for me, I LOVE silly...lol) he even played with a toy I made him...all it is, is a string with a bell tied to the end, he loves it! So cute the way they bat it with their paws. I'm so excited about him because I have never lived with a cat before or known any very intimately. This is an experience for me and a wonderful one at that. I am sad to know he is sick but he is doing so well. Looking at him and observing his behavior, he appears as a perfectly healthy and normal cat. He has a RAVENOUS appetite and has gained some weight already. His belly looks nice and full. lol. His age has been guesstimated at about 5. He is not a kitten. I would definitely like to know more about feeding him. Right now I have him on feline a/d by hill's science diet (which isn't one of my favorite food companies but...the vets office gave it to me to fatten him up) and some kibble which they told me to have out all day for him. Is that right? I am a VERY serious guardian (don't use the word owner either Nina...I just can't...lol) about my animals. They are my children, my family and my life. It's just us here in my cozy apartment and we live very happily together. (my goodness I love animals...lol) I also have 2 rabbits, which Brooklyn hasn't bothered at all. I do all my research and have always found that having others to talk with has been one of the greatest helps. I'm so glad I joined here. I read up on everything and always take my animals to the vet at the sign of even a sniffle. My animals are VERY important to me and no less so than any human's life (in fact more so thatn SOME humans I know...lol) This is a hot topic whenever I bring it up, and I always hesitate to do so, but I want to put it out there. I am a vegan and my dogs are also on a vegan diet for almost 4 years now, vet supervised and are doing fantastically. I am always open for discussion on it, as long as it's not offensive. I don't push others to my ideas, I do it for my own reasons, so I'll never discuss it here other than mentioning it in this email. I however, I want to stress that I do NOT intend to try and change Brooklyn to such a diet at any point. He is too fragile for that, and cats, being obligate carnivores to begin with are very difficult to adjust to that kind of diet. (Most vegans would disagree with my decision, but I'm a whole different breed. LOL). So, he's the only meat eater in this house, and his health comes first. SO, that being said, please offer me any suggestions on diets, foods what I should feed him, supplements and what dosages I should be giving him. I will do whatever I must to get him healthy,
Re: re. Haunted by questions please help ?
Hi Lynne, I'm so sorry for your sad loss. In reply to your first question, that's what I've been told - if they were born with the virus, they have less of a chance. My two who were born with the virus lived to 2.5-3 yrs of age. I wasn't giving them interferon. I have 5 FELV cats now, and two that I'm pretty sure were born with the virus. Been giving them low dose oral interferon daily since they were kittens. They're about 2 yrs now, so we'll see. Gloria On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Lynne Moquin wrote: Jenn, and others, appreciate all comments we are suffering thru bereavement, Thanks for asking more about our sweet Frodo; we are sure he was born with the virus. The haunting question is, and still looking for answers experiences and opinions : If a kitten is born with the virus, are they more likely to succumb at an early age ? Thanks Jenn for that observation that they often don't live past 3
Texas - FELV Seal Lynx Point Ragdoll needs home
Anybody in Texas that can take a gorgeous FELV Ragdoll? Gloria Begin forwarded message: From: MeLinda Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: November 27, 2005 6:08:09 PM CST To: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Clinic Gloria: I am trying to place another FeLV+ female, a gorgeous Seal Lynx Point Ragdoll with the best personality. She is in good shape, shows no signs of illness, is spayed, has had all her shots, been dewormed, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have any isolation space to keep her, so I am trying to get her into a good rescue like yours, where I know she will be well taken care of. She is a precious girl. Please let me know if you can help. MeLinda
Garfunkle
Hideyo, I am so sorry for your loss. You had such a strong tie to Garfunkle. I know your love will help light his way home. I understand - Gloria On Nov 28, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: ... This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life.. life without no pain. He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hard together..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath. Nina, you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. but at least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish the time with him, and I did. But, I wanted more.
Re: Sammy and interferon
I don't know but have wondered that myself. Didn't know that it causes a degree of dehydration so that's interesting to me, especially at this very dry time of the year. I give my FELV+ kitties .5 cc daily (not on/off), unless there's a URI or something then I up the dosage. Gloria On Dec 1, 2005, at 8:18 PM, Helene Hand wrote: Hi!1 I seem to mostly lurk, too, now that Sam seems so well, but I have a concern to share with all of you. I do love this list, and there was a time all of you definitely saved Sammy's life with your love and advice. Thank you for everything you have done for us. Okay- Sammy, my 15 year old siamese, and his mother Delilah, 16, came to live with me in 1993. In July of 1999 Sam developed FELV and almost died. He was so sick. Over the next few months he lost down to 7 pounds and I maintained him on IV boluses, a series of Acemannan shots, oral pettinic daily, Vit. B12 subcu., interferon orally, 7 days on-7 off- winstrol orally,procrit s.c. weekly,special foods, including baby meats, dry foods (4 choices!) lots and lots of love and prayers constantly. For a year it was touch and go.Today, he weighs about 16 pounds, looks and feels great, is definitely the Alpha Cat of the household, and has been in remission and asymptomatic since 2000. Coat is shiny, he is very playful, etc. My question is this: Does anyone know of any detrimental side effects of long-term interferon therapy? There is no need to ask my vet, although wonderful, he lets me call the shots, as he really doesn't know... Sam has been on interferon since 2000. One cc orally for 7 days, then off 7 days.So that is 15 cc a month.I sure don't want to rock the boat, but I know that the interferon causes a degree of dehydration. Anything else?I would like a source of info., and would appreciate anybody's input. He still is on the pettinic daily, the winstrol weekly, and the Vit. B12 subcu. weekly. I discontinued the procrit subcu. a year ago. My wonderful boy seems to be doing fine; but I remind myself to remember that every day is so good for him, but could change in an instant. I don't take anything for granted. Thanks! Guys! Helene
Re: Callie...Its sad news
Tad and Marie, I am so sorry for your sad loss of Callie. What a sweet little calico - how wonderful that she had a good life with you, a real blessing. Gloria
WInstrol - build muscle mass and increase appetite
That's very good to know. I'll copy this to Susan, who's on this lilst but may not be reading. We've talked recently about how to build muscle mass on these puny kitties that just don't thrive easily. She has one now that she's hand feeding several times daily (whew!). Can you get it thru the vet? Gloria On Dec 12, 2005, at 1:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/12/05 1:33:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's Winstrol? Winstrol is an anabolic steroid, a controlled substance due to it's abuse by people using it for body-building, etc. VERY effective in restoring muscle mass, thus it's abuse. But, it can and does work miracles for animals that are plagued with terminal illnesses. It will restore their appetite, put weight on and dramatically improve their quality of life. Patti
Re: cat question (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
I'd agree with spaying the FELV kitty, and that's what I've done. I took in a little 8 month old FELV kitty who was pregnant, and my choice was to have her spayed. She came thru it with flying colors. I give my FELV kitties daily interferon, to boost the immune system. Gloria On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:51 AM, wendy wrote: Janet, I have to agree with everything that Nina said. Having the cat spayed would probably be the humane thing to do. My cat Cricket was born with Feline Leukemia; his mother had it. I would like to urge you to consider keeping this cat if you are at all attached to it, and caring for it yourself. FELV+ positive is not necessarily a death sentence; many cats throw off the virus after they've been exposed, expecially those with good health care and a lot of love. FELV+ cats are hard to place, and many times, are euthanised because a lot of vets recommend it. But we do not agree with this policy. These kitties deserve a happy life being loved just as much as a cat that isn't FELV+. Cricket lived 4 and a half years, and probably would have lived longer had he not been stressed out by a house full of Hurricane Rita evacuees for a week, when the virus kicked in and he became anemic. Because he was born FELV+, his life expectancy was a lot less than he actually lived. Many kittens die by 6 months because their immune systems are so weak, and even more by two years old. No one can make this decision for you, but learn a little more before you make the decision and I wish you luck. Let us know what you decide. I'll keep you in my prayers. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Janet, As Terri and Tonya have already mentioned, many of us mix adult negs that have been vaccinated with pos. It's a judgement call and of course no matter what our success rate in doing this is, there's no safer protection for your elderly cat than to not mix them together. That's what most vets will tell you. Being that your current kitty is older, I might not mix them together either. That said, if I were in this situation, I'd figure God sent her to me for a reason and I'd personally dive in with both feet and do whatever I could to save her and her kittens. I am all too familiar with the heartache involved with pos kittens. My experience with felv came when my husband and I found a box of kittens that were just 2.5 weeks old. Because they were so young, I assume the mother succumbed to felv from the stress of having them and the people who abandoned them didn't know how to care for them. Why else would they take them from their mother at that age? We lost 2 of our babies when they were about 6 mos old and two more before their 2nd birthday. The other two are doing fine and are reaching 2.5 yrs. Their lives were filled with love and concern and I'm not a bit sorry that I made the commitment to try and save them. Janet, you have some tough decisions ahead of you. You don't know me, so you might think I'm a monster for even bringing this up, but given what you've said in your post... It's going to be hard enough to place the mother, if she's healthy. I can't say what I would do in your place. I'm not you and I have no idea what you have to contend with. If someone steps up very quickly to adopt her, knowing she's pregnant, well that's a different story altogether. If you just found out she's pregnant, I'm supposing she's not too far along. Under the circumstances you describe, if you have her spayed, the kittens would be aborted at the same time and praying that she remains asymptomatic after the stress of the operation, you might have a chance of placing her. I couldn't bear to think about what might be in store for those babies if they lose their mother, and don't have a human willing to step in and care for them. My 2 cents on the harshness of reality. Now, what I'm praying for is that you've fallen in love with this little stray and you'll want to adopt her yourself. If so, there are many wonderful, knowledgeable people on this list who will support you no matter where that decision takes you. I'm also praying that someone, if not you, will hear this little girl's story, take her in and give her the kind of life every kitty deserves. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Two weeks ago I took a cat in that had been abandoned. Today, I took her to the vet and found out she was tested as positive for feline leukemia. I also found out today that she is pregnant. I have a 15 year old cat that does not have leukemia. Thus, I cannot keep this new cat but I need to find a shelter that can take her or a family that this will be their only help. Please let me know if you have any ideas. I live in Florida. Thank you in advance, Janet __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: fund raising for my case
The paypal charge is small - for each transaction it's about a dollar of so, more or less. It just makes it convenient for people to donate spontaneously who might otherwise forget or not do so - makes it easy, so you might get more donations. You have a set of menus, and you have to learn where to click to move your money to the bank account. But it also keeps a nice record on donations. Gloria On Dec 23, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Oh.. how do I set up a paypal account? Sorry, I am a little behind of modern technology.. I know what it is, but I don't know how to set it up. Thank you! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case I'll contribute! Perhaps you could set up a Paypal account. Thanks for the address. Gloria At 12:20 PM 12/22/2005, you wrote: Thank you so very much, Kat - I just found out that there is someone else who also rescues cats here locally, became in the same situation I am in and she is panicking...(she has as many as I do, which is a lot) .. I am hoping that the outcome of my situation will help her case, too --- what I would really like is to change the law so that it will set a precedent to the rest of the sates (I know there was one in PA, and another similar case in Kansas or something..) My address is 212 Edith SE, Albuquerque, NM 87102 Thank you so very much, Kat! How are the baby (?)kitties doing?? Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo, For all you've done for your kitties, and all the info you have shared with us, not to mention the support you give - Count me In!! Please send me a mailing address and I will send you a check. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:48:56 -0700 From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I don't know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases - If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo
Re: FIV and calico
My first FELV cat was calico - Calawalla Banana Booboo, a real darling. However, I now have several FELV cats and FIV cats. None are calico. If there's any predominance in color, it's black. My friend Susan has several FELV and FIV, and I don't recall seeing a calico. FYI - Gloria On Dec 30, 2005, at 5:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both female cats that I have had with FIV (still have Buddy) were and are calico Michelle
Re: URGENT - Federico dies Friday - FeLV+ in Albany, NY
Yea Tad, how wonderful that you're taking this lucky kitty! Gloria On Dec 29, 2005, at 10:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tad~ Oh. you and Marie are just so wonderful!! Please update us with news of Frederico! Hugs, Patti
Add Pansy to the bridge list
Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December. She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her. Gloria
Re: Add Pansy to the bridge list
Thanks so much, Kerry. I'm in shock, what can I say. he didnt say - he did say that she had fluid on her chest, so suggested maybe FIP - but I know how easy it is to blame these unknown things on FIV, FELV, FIP and so on. He just didn't know. She seemed healthy, very playful, ate ok - could have been the anesthesia. I wonder about the different anesthesias. I just don't know, sigh. Think next time I'll wait till the kitty is older, I don't know Gloria On Dec 30, 2005, at 4:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Gloria, I am so terribly sorry. No wonder you're in shock. Did he give any explanation? That should never happen with a healthy cat, right? I really am so, so sorry. That's such a sad end to the year. sending love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Add Pansy to the bridge list Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December. She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her. Gloria hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Pansy
Thank you, Sherry - thanks to everyone for your kind supportive words. Gloria On Dec 30, 2005, at 9:55 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Gloria,I am so sorry to hear about your sweet little Pansy.You are in my thoughts and prayers.You were doing the right thing,the lord had a different path for her.Take care. Sherry wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gloria, Sorry-I responded to your post before I read the rest and see that you already explained what the vet said. I cannot imagine getting a phone call like that. What Nina says is right: don't second-guess yourself. You were doing the responsible thing for Pansy, taking her in for a routine spay. I'm sure you already know that though. I just wanted to second that thought in case you were feeling down on yourself. :) Wendy --- wendy wrote: Gloria, I am so sorry to hear about Pansy! What a shock that must have been! What did the vet say caused Pansy's death?! I am so sorry. This is a tough way to end a year. I will keep you in my prayers and I hope that you continue to be comforted by the warm memories you have of her. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
Re: FIV and calico
FIV: 2 black male, 1 black female, 1 siamese mix female, 1 b w male FELV: 1 black male, 1 gray and white dlh male, 1 white w/ black tail male, 1 white w/ black tail female, 1 tabby gray w/ white paws female ALL ARE SWEETHEARTS too! ;) Gloria On Dec 31, 2005, at 11:00 PM, Nina wrote: Any black, Gloria? N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it seems to be a question that there is not currently an known correct answer to, but folks are providing their own experience with colors and FIV. I have 5 FIV cats - 3 males, 2 females, no calico, no orange. Gloria
Re: Add Pansy to the bridge list
Thank you, Barb. Thanks so much to everyone - I appreciate it. Gloria On Dec 31, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Barb Moermond wrote: Oh Gloria, I'm so sorry - sending GLOW to light her way and ease your heart. Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you add Pansy to the Bridge list? I took her to the vet this morning to be spayed. When I called this afternoon, he said that she died after the surgery!! I was shocked. I got her in early December. She was not FELV, was a pretty little 6 mo old silver Persian, really sweet, playful, really pretty. I certainly didn't expect it, and will miss her. Gloria Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Add Pansy to the bridge list
Thanks, Belinda - I left the kitties at the vets before 8am and drove to visit some cousins . She was the only Persian. The vet called my home phone about 2:30pm and left a message, and I called the vets about 3pm from my cell phone. He told me then. He said that she was moving her head, in recovery. I know they had her in a cage, and were checking on her, not holding her (like we do in our clinic). They checked on her later and she was dead. When I picked her up at 4pm, she was still soft and warm. When I picked her up, the vet asked if she'd been FIV/FELV tested. I said yes, and was negative. He said it may have been FIP. I said I doubt that - I just know how easy it is to blame the unknown on something, just anything, and she was a healthy kitty. I got some good responses from the Persian list. Persians are different - flat face and all that. A few people on that list said that Persians need to be intubated, and to be checked because the soft pallet can block the airway, because of their flat facial structure. I feel very strongly that that's probably what it was. Also, I hear that Persians have problems with certain anesthesia, but then she seemed to be coming out of the anesthesia. I mailed the info to the vet as well, so that he'll know, but I doubt if I'll ever ever go there again. Anyhow - here's one of the comments - very interesting - (and I'll bet this vet didn't intubate) - Gloria Subject: Re: persian kitten, Pansy, died Sometimes on the flat faced ones they extubate them too soon... and because of the way the soft pallet is misshapen, it falls back and closes off the airway... and the cat is not awake enough to be aware of it...I have had this happen on a few... the first was when I was there, assisting, and noticed shortly after they extubated, the lips started turning blue... we responded and that cat was OK, but it could have had a much different outcome had I not been watching. Ever since, I make a point of telling them that, reminding them, so to speak. I am so sorry for your loss:( Mary Arnold Bit O'Blarney Pet Services TICA Allbreed Judge IM Mjablarney ICQ #21462586 On Jan 1, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi Gloria, I will be sure and add Pansy to this weeks service, I'm so sorry for your loss of such a young one. I do have a couple of questions that are puzzling me though. When exactly did Pansy pass away and why didn't your vet call you to let you know? It almost sounds like she was in recovery and they didn't know she had passed until you called to check on her and they went back to check on her and found her passed. I would certainly expect my vet to call me immediately if my kitty passed after surgery, which they did with Buddie, she came through the surgery fine but went into cardiac arrest in recovery, they called while they were trying to resusitate her and asked me if I wanted them to continue to resusitate her. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: opinion?
Sounds reasonable to me. However I do see some holes in that logic. For example, he says attachment: bulletpaw.jpg Carriers can be asymptomatic for years, and expose other cats in the household. but he says Cats over one year of age are highly resistant to Feline Leukemia whether they are vaccinated or not. And talks about vaccination. So my reaction is, uh, which horse are you gonna ride anyhow? But in general, that's what I've learned and come to believe. Interesting web site - glad to learn about that. Gloria On Jan 1, 2006, at 8:50 PM, janine paton wrote: http://critteradvocacy.org/content/view/35/75/ Hopefully this link will work. Was wondering what you guys thought of what this vet is saying about leukemia. Janine
Re: opinion?
Right, there's the question of sick cats and elderly cats.. Gloria On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:08 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: yeah, i'm a little uncomfortable about the cats over one year of age bit, because my understanding is that HEALTHY cats are pretty much able to throw the virus off, while older or otherwise compromised cats may not be--and, at least with rescued animals, we rarely actually know their histories on the site, tho, find the complaint he filed with the Texas Vet Board about overuse of vaccines--very interesting document -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Fostering Fiv Cat
Agree - what's with all these declawed cats? Does Michigan just go for declaw? I have on rare occasion talked to people, btw, who say that their vet recommends declaw. (Probably also recommends just transferring $$$ to his/her bank account too). Gloria On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry~ Hooray for both you and Rafferty.. I am sure you'll both give each other much happiness. I also looked at all the darlings on the website... I'm confused about something though. Is almost every cat there de- clawed??? Because a vet runs the shelter?? Or is it an error?? Just never saw so many de-clawed cats at one shelter. Happy New Year! Patti
Re: Fostering Fiv Cat
Thanks for the link, might be helpful in educating people. I think the declawing should be outlawed too. We really don't get that many people who ask for declawed cats in Arkansas, but there are some and we always screen for that. Gloria On Jan 2, 2006, at 6:58 AM, janine paton wrote: Ah, only a cat would have to put up with a choice between amputation and being homeless. www.catsinternational.org has excellent information on how to train a cat. They've toned down their article on declawing for some reason, but still make some good points in it. Feline Future also has a good article on declawing, without sounding hysterical. Janine --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/2/06 1:14:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know a lot of cats get tossed out on the street because people don't like the scratching But Sherry, why don't you try to educate this vet about all the declawed cats that end up dumped in kill shelters for litter box problems??? Or those cats that are just brought into vets to be routinely euthanized for inappropriate urination?? My 2 Maine Coon boys each were brought in, on 2 separate occasions, 2 different owners, within one month of each other to be euthanized Peeing outside of box. Year+ later, they are both doing fine Too damn big to be declawed...Each over 25 lbs.!! Whatever were these people thinking?? Anyway, since you're volunteering there, maybe you can talk to this vet about how inhumane declawing is. You know, it is illegal in Europe, and even California is talking about outlawing it. It should be illegal. It's just cruelty, plain simple. And, Sherry, I know you are against it, I'm just having one of my rants Patti
Re: Hardy
Sherry, I'm so sorry for your loss of your sweet Hardy, I know it's hard. So many will be waiting at the bridge to show him the way - including my Pansy, and Prissy, and Lancelot - and my Nicky who died 1 year ago. May you receive showers of blessings for your work with the sick kitties. Gloria On Jan 2, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Hi all,sweet Hardy that I told you all about crossed the Rainbow bridge yesterday,I did get to tell him that I loved him and he purred and purred.He always purred as soon as you would pet him,can he be added to the CLS? Thanks all for your prayers and thoughts.I am so glad that I had gotten the chance to love him,even for such a short time.I knew it was going to be hard volunteering with the sick kitties but I will keep loving them. Sherry
OT - Cat Trans Lambertville, MI to Bella Vista, AR Jan 7 8
Contacts are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: Carolyn Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maine Coon Rescue http://mainecoonrescue.com is transporting Baby Huey, who is a big beautiful Maine Coon Cat, from_foster: Pat Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] to his approved forever home with Aimee Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] from_city+state: Lambertville, MI to_city+state: Bella Vista, AR dates Jan 7 and 8 beginning_city+state: Lambertville, MI ending_city+state: Bella Vista, AR how_far_from_each_end_can_travel_to_meet_connection: breed_of_kit: Maine Coon mix name_of_kit: Baby Huey age: 5 gender: M n_or_s: N size+weight: Extra Large - 23# health_certificate: rabies+date: March 2005 rabies_tag_number+state: Ohio other_vac+date: Distemper 9/05 dewormed: 12/05 advantage%2cfrontline+or+program: 11/05 - Revolution known_med_problems: Chronic UTI known_physical_conditions_or_limitations: None aggression_or_behavior_issues: None info_or_reports_of_biting_or_aggressive_behavior: No explanation_of_known_aggression_or_behavior_problems: recent_or_current_contagious_cond_or_disease: No special_needs_or_meds_to_be_admin_during_transport: No tem! perament: People, Cat friendly attitude_toward_strangers: Cautious disposition_toward_extended_car_rides: Unknown situation: Going to Forever Home carrier_or_crate: Will be provided size_of_carrier_or_crate: Extra Large other_items_or_meds_accompanying_furkid: Litter box, water, food, vet records, medication name_of_rescue_group: Maine Coon Rescue (MCR) url_of_rescue_group: http://mainecoonrescue.com/ additionalrescuegroupinfo: http://mainecoonrescue.petfinder.com reason_for_transport: Going to forever home *** Please Crosspost ** If y! ou can take a leg of this trip, please contact Carol Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] carolfittzgc @ yahoo.com OFF LIST as I am no mail and digest and woulkd hate to miss your offer of help. as always the legs of the trip are flexible, just let us know how far you can drive. Saturday Jan 7 Leg 1: Lambertville MI to Angola, IN 84 miles 1 hr 30 mins Start 8:00 am FILLED Thanks Pat Leg 2: Angola, IN to South Bend, IN 78 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start 9:30 am NEEDED Leg 3: South Bend, IN to Gary, IN 65 miles 1 hr Start 10:45 am NEEDED Leg 4: Gary, IN to Braidwood, IL 65 miles 1 hr Start 11:45am NEEDED Leg 5: Braidwood, IL to Normal, IL 72 miles 1 hr 15 mins Star! t 12:45 pm NEEDED Leg 6: Normal, IL to Springfield, IL 69 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start 2:00pm NEEDED Leg 7: Springfield, IL to St Louis, MO 100 miles 1hr 30 mins Start 3:00pm NEEDED OVERNIGHT IN THIS AREANEEDED Sunday January 8 Leg 8: St Louis, MO to Sullivan, MO 67 miles 1 hr Start 8:30 am NEEDED Leg 9: Sullivan, MO to Waynesville, MO 68 miles 1 hr Start 9:30 am NEEDED Leg 10: Waynesville, MO to Springfield, MO 82 miles 1 hr 30 mins Start 10:30 am NEEDED Leg 11: Springfield, MO to Joplin, MO 71 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start 12:00 pm NEEDED Leg 12: Joplin, MO to Bella Vista, AR 52 miles 1 hr Start 1:30 pm ! FILLED Thanks Aimee Carolyn Fitzgerald Maine Coon Rescue Chairman of the Board Executive Director Rescue Chair http://mainecoonrescue.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bailey is anemic
Best of luck to you, Belinda - I've used Georges Aloe Vera for stomatitis, and also Antirode (Clindamycin), all seemed to help. I've wondered about essential fatty acids to counter wasting. Was reading about CLA (Linoleic Acid?). Lots of good vibes for sweet Bailey. Gloria On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi All, My little Bailey is now anemic, he started losing weight over the last 2 months and his count was 22 or 23 about 2 weeks ago and yesterday was down to 18. We are not positive this is exactly accurate because getting blood from him is extremely difficult and yesterday we were only able to get about 1/2 a vial. His gums are getting pale though and he is sleeping alot and not eating very good. My vet is ordering epogen and we are going to be starting him on that. One thing I forgot to ask her is if it is non-regenerative, will do that today. His bloodwork other than that was pretty good, although there was one other thing that was off and I will get copies faxed to me so I can see what that was. He had xrays a week ago Monday and everything there looked OK. Bailey is 10 years old and has been positive since 5 months of age. Last year he developed pretty bad stomastisis and after trying everything under the sun (antibiotics, acupunture, chinese herbs) we finally pulled all but his canines and tiny teeth in between them. This seemed to take care of the problem until within the lat couple of months. I noticed he wasn't eating as good and that's when we did this last blood work and found the anemia and that his mouth was inflamed again. He has been on doxy and busperone and I added antirobe the last couple of days with the vets OK, and his mouth looks nice and healed but his gums are pretty pale. I syringe fed him for a few days and he is eating a bit on his own. If he doesn't pick up his eating today it will be back to syringing again which he really hates. He is on raw which he loves and got up to 11 pounds, but his weight now is at 8lbs 10oz, so in the last 2 monts he has lost over 2 pounds and a pound of that was in the last 2 weeks. Any suggestions I can bring to my vet?? She is very good about trying things I suggest. I seem to remember someone from this list said they were having luck with immunoregalan (was that you Kerry?). Has anyone used epogen and immunoregalan together?? I asked my vet about immunoregalan and she said she thought the epogen would be better to try, anyone have any comments about that??? Thanks for any ideas or suggestions I can pass on to my vet, and hope everyones furkids are doing well!!:)
Re: Add Pansy to the bridge list
Thanks so much, Kat - it helps to know of other experiences with this sort of thing, and that there are other possibilities for causes. Gloria On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Kat wrote: Gloria, I've been off-line all last week, but wanted to add my condolences on your loss of Pansy. It's such a shock when something like this happens - seemingly out of the blue. Something sort of similar happened to me -only it was a week after I had my 6 month old baby Callie (who was just the sweetest little calico girl in the world) spayed. About 1 week after the spay, I found Callie with blood on her face, between her nose and left eye - on a Sunday morning. So off to the emergency vet I go - they said she was slightly dehydrated, and the blood was from a scratch - so give her some karo syrup in water and seperate her from the other cats, just in case they had gotten into a spat. While I was setting up a crate for Callie, I heard her thrashing in the cat carrier. When I took her out to hold her I realized she was having a seizure - so back to the ER. They couldn't stop the seizures - even with a dose of phenobarbital big enough for a Great Dane - and I had to let her go. The next day I brought her body to my vet (who did the spay) for a necropsy, and she found numerous dry FIP lesions thruout her body - including her brain (which is what caused the seizures). I know of a friend who lost her 1 year old kitty during a spay due to undetected heart problems - so sometimes it doesn't matter how old they are. Please just know that you were able to love her, and she knew your love. I am so sorry for your loss. Kat (Mew Jersey)
Re: anemia
Hmmm - I'm wondering why PetTinic would be a problem.. Gloria On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said his red cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroid related/probably kidney disease. The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or petinnic. I have given him some chicken liver. I am worried about him making it a few more daays. Bonnie
Re: OT - Cat Trans Lambertville, MI to Bella Vista, AR Jan 7 8
It's Michigan, not Minnisota.. and going from Michigan to Arkansas. On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:59 AM, Susan Loesch wrote: Wonder how close this is to Minneapolis Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contacts are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: Carolyn Fitzgerald Maine Coon Rescue http://mainecoonrescue.com is transporting Baby Huey, who is a big beautiful Maine Coon Cat, from_foster: Pat Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] to his approved forever home with Aimee Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] from_city+state: Lambertville, MI to_city+state: Bella Vista, AR dates Jan 7 and 8 beginning_city+state: Lambertville, MI ending_city+state: Bella Vista, AR how_far_from_each_end_can_travel_to_meet_connection: breed_of_kit: Maine Coon mix name_of_kit: Baby Huey age: 5 gender: M n_or_s: N size+weight: Extra Large - 23# health_certificate: rabies+date: March 2005 rabies_tag_number+state: Ohio other_vac+date: Distemper 9/05 dewormed: 12/05 advantage%2cfrontline+or+program: 11/05 - Revolution known_med_problems: Chronic UTI known_physical_conditions_or_limitations: None aggression_or_behavior_issues: None info_or_reports_of_biting_or_aggressive_behavior: No explanation_of_known_aggression_or_behavior_problems: recent_or_current_contagious_cond_or_disease: No special_needs_or_meds_to_be_admin_during_transport: No tem! perament: People, Cat friendly attitude_toward_strangers: Cautious disposition_toward_extended_car_rides: Unknown situation: Going to Forever Home carrier_or_crate: Will be provided size_of_carrier_or_crate: Extra Large other_items_or_meds_accompanying_furkid: Litter box, water, food, vet records, medication name_of_rescue_group: Maine Coon Rescue (MCR) url_of_rescue_group: http://mainecoonrescue.com/ additionalrescuegroupinfo: http://mainecoonrescue.petfinder.com reason_for_transport: Going to forever home *** Please Crosspost ** If y! ou can take a leg of this trip, please contact Carol Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] carolfittzgc @ yahoo.com OFF LIST as I am no mail and digest and woulkd hate to miss your offer of help. as always the legs of the trip are flexible, just let us know how far you can drive. Saturday Jan 7 Leg 1: Lambertville MI to Angola, IN 84 miles 1 hr 30 mins Start 8:00 am FILLED Thanks Pat Leg 2: Angola, IN to South Bend, IN 78 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start 9:30 am NEEDED Leg 3: South Bend, IN to Gary, IN 65 miles 1 hr Start 10:45 am NEEDED Leg 4: Gary, IN to Braidwood, IL 65 miles 1 hr Start 11:45am NEEDED Leg 5: Braidwood, IL to Normal, IL 72 miles 1 hr 15 mins Star! t 12:45 pm NEEDED Leg 6: Normal, IL to Springfield, IL 69 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start 2:00pm NEEDED Leg 7: Springfield, IL to St Louis, MO 100 miles 1hr 30 mins Start 3:00pm NEEDED OVERNIGHT IN THIS AREA NEEDED Sunday January 8 Leg 8: St Louis, MO to Sullivan, MO 67 miles 1 hr Start 8:30 am NEEDED Leg 9: Sullivan, MO to Waynesville, MO 68 miles 1 hr Start 9:30 am NEEDED Leg 10: Waynesville, MO to Springfield, MO 82 miles 1 hr 30 mins Start 10:30 am NEEDED Leg 11: Springfield, MO to Joplin, MO 71 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start 12:00 pm NEEDED Leg 12: Joplin, MO to Bella Vista, AR 52 miles 1 hr Start 1:30 pm ! FILLED Thanks Aimee Carolyn Fitzgerald Maine Coon Rescue Chairman of the Board Executive Director Rescue Chair http://mainecoonrescue.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP! Tsubomi is bulling Ginger -
That's a great idea... Gloria On Jan 3, 2006, at 5:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I think that might help too. In a message dated 1/3/2006 6:18:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: – I am also thinking it’s a territorial thing as Tsubomi wants to claim that the top of the tower is hers – do you think having another cat tower will help, too?
Re: Need your help with Stretch-fluids
It's really easy, and no you definitely don't use the whole bag. There are some web sites that show pictures of how to do it, I'll have to look them up. Most people use a tube set with a needle on the end from the bag to the kitty, and watch how the fluids go down. In particular, a sick kitty doesn't mind. I use a 60cc syringe, that I load up and then stick. i also have a flexible tube that goes from the syringe to the needle and kitty. But think that flexible tube is hard to find. Vets charge different amounts for fluids too. My regular vet charges $20. We've found other vets here who charge $5 (yeaa!). I use Lactacted Ringers. Gotta watch and make sure you have the right fluids that your vet wants you to use, also. I'm sure you'll get good advice from others on the list too. Best of luck, Gloria On Jan 4, 2006, at 11:54 AM, wendy wrote: Thanks Tonya. I think I will go that route if I don't see an improvement in eating/drinking very soon. It's a little scary though. I've never stuck a needle into another living being, unless you count getting splinters out, so I am a bit nervous about trying this. Do you give the cat the whole bag? And where and how do you stick the needle? Thanks, Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, The fluid is already in the bags you buy. You don't fill them yourselves. I don't know what all is in them. I suppose electrolytes, fluids, maybe potassium? If you've got a decent vet a bag of fluid and the set up for sub q should be less than $10. t t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Michelle, I can't imagine how you felt with them telling you to pay up front while you're holding your sick cat! That just sounds bad! I just started working a second job, so as soon as we get any money at all, then I will probably take Stretch in for the tests and if affordable, to get X-rays, and the fluid drained. Do X-rays show cancer tumors and/or fluid? Also, how often do you give the dex/depo shot (if it is lymphoma)? I could not really tell if the dex shot helped much. Stretch isn't breathing as heavily as she was, but her breathing is still somewhat labored. Also, where do you get the bags and needles to do sub-Q fluids? Is there anything else I need to do sub-Q? Do you just use water? Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: Need your help with Stretch
I just noticed your reference to the expensive treatments. I really think that sometimes the home treatments, not so expensive, are as useful and effective as the expensive ones. Learning to do fluids, for example, is so helpful. Gloria On Jan 4, 2006, at 12:28 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: ... How do you guys afford expensive treatments when you just don't have the money? We can only do what we can do, and it's a sad fact of life that the cost of the treatment is often what determines the next step. Over the last couple of years I've racked up my credit cards, used one of those credit card checks you get in the mail, and then last summer Flavia's treatment, and the subsequent euthanization and individual cremation costs for Flavia and Snowball, forced me to take a chunk of money from my paltry retirement fund. I can still hear the unspoken thoughts of the broker when I explained it was for vet fees...this woman is a total nut/loser. I told only one friend, and he was clearly shocked -- told me not to do anything stupid. I know I can't do it again, anyway, tho, because I won't be in a position to help any cat if I wind up destitute in my old age (which is not that far away!). Only you guys understand. And we surely understand the anguish you feel, Wendy, in not having a limitless budget for treatment. I would think most us are in much the same boat; and beating ourselves up because of it. That's what's so wonderful about this group--we realize we're not alone; everyone faces the same problems and heartache at one time or another. And everyone does whatever they can to help one another cope and do the best for their furbabies. Sending zillions of positive, healing vibes, Wendy, for sweet Stretch's recovery. love and hugs to you both Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need your help with Stretch Hi Michelle, Thank you for the info. I am going to give another day or two to see how things go before taking Stretch back to the doc. Frankly, we are tapped out on money. We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, and after spending hundreds of dollars trying to save Cricket, and with Christmas just passed, we are a bit broke. I had to put the $85 visit to the vet yesterday on a credit card that didn't have $85 dollars on it. I will do all I can for Stretch, but if it's cancer, I am not going to draw it out. We just can't afford the treatments. I feel so frustrated right now. I don't want Stretch to go through this. I don't want my nephew to go through losing his cat; he's been through so much as it is. And my attitude isn't it's normal hopeful self after losing Cricket. I feel it's too soon after Cricket; I don't think I can go through this again. I am praying for a miracle right now. If Stretch can just pull through this, and give us a little time, we will be better able to afford treatments in six months. I hope that some of you understand being in this place. How do you guys afford expensive treatments when you just don't have the money? Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Please wish Patches good luck! and Lucy too!
Hi Michelle, prayers coming for Patches and Lucy! I know you have a lot os stress trying to keep them well. In my opinion, different vets will say a lot if different, diverse things about FELV - much just based on their feelings, not necessarily based on research or solid evidence. My friend Susan has several FELV cats that just last and last and last - going to be old age kitties. Hope yours live long too! Gloria On Jan 4, 2006, at 1:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already fretting about Patches because she has been having a little trouble eating and the gums above her two broken canines are really swollen, so I made an appointment with a dentist for her tomorrow and was pretty sure he was going to say they have to come out. She is FeLV+ and at least 5 years old, so surgery freaks me out. But today she was running around the house meowing and sqatting and peeing little drops of bloody urine, so I scooped her up and took her to the vet. She has crystals again, they think (second time) and was given antibiotics and pain killer. They also did an FeLV test to confirm her status, and guess what-- yes, she has FeLV, but she also has FIV. I had not known this. AND he could not get blood from her because she had such a stress reaction to him trying that she started panting and almost collapsed. I have never had blood drawn from her before. He insisted the only way to get the blood (necessary for pre-surgery workup anyway, but I wanted to see if anything else is going on with her) was to give her isoflourine gas (i.e. anesthesia) for 5 minutes and get the blood that way. This was a new vet to me, and I never heard of such a thing, and did not want to do it. Gray convinced me to do it because she needs blood drawn, is going to have to get anesthesia to get the teeth out anyway next week, and she had been so stressed by the attempt to get blood from her that he thought such stress could do as much damage as the 5 minutes of gas. So I did it, and she was ok, but I was really upset about it. This is already the 2nd vet office I am trying in the area since moving her in August. I thought I would like them because they carry Purevax vaccines, unlike most places, and because the vet I saw there when I took Quincy for his Purevax FeLV vaccine was really great. But this was the other vet there. And of course vet started quoting the statistic to me that 80% of cats with FeLV die within 3 years of contracting it, and my remaining three have all had it at least 4 years or so and probably longer, so although I know these stats are skewed from so many positives being euthanized on testing positive, I started feeling really depressed about their prospects for having much more time. ANYWAY, having had anesthesia gas and some painkiller and dex, Patches is quite calm and happy now and basking in the sun on the bed, but I probably need anti-anxiety meds now. Please say a prayer for her to get through all of this, the urinary tract problems and the dental surgery, without problems. Also please pray for Lucy, who seems to have IBD now and is on steroids (she is also FeLV+). I am going to start making home-made diets for them to see if that helps. I want to try raw but am worried because some people say that immune-compromised cats can have problems with the increased bacteria load in raw, so I think I may try a lightly cooked version of a raw diet. Michelle
