Re: [Felvtalk] Lady with cats in South Carolina

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

 I am sorry that I cannot do more for the next couple of days but I do 
have a "potential " resource
( at least so their Website advertises and the notes I receive every two 
days looking for contrbutions)

 
The Organization is called SEER FARMS  and it is located in Jackson 
NJ    Their stated mission is to house animals in need of temporary 
placement while owners are going through a personal crisis...   I made a 
call but could only leave a message and have a full days from here on 
until Sunday.

 
I apologize that I don't have anything more definitive to add but... We 
could ( instead of paying to have Sharon stay in the motelcontribute 
to the transport and upkeep of her animals in this shelter if they were 
willing/able to accommodate

 
I have emailed them as well to inquire as to the possibilities but I 
don't know when I will get and answer

 
Web site is.   http://seerfarms.org/      ( 
though our listserve is text only so use. www.seerfarms.org 
  if interested in looking
Amani...perhaps you could forward this info to Sharon??  I'm sorry 
that it is so little possibly so late but...one never knows... they 
SAY they have helped hundreds in quite the same circumstances...and kept 
animals for QUITE a long while

 
Bob in Warwick NY
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

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Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original 
note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to 
see the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  
THIS one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the 
badly affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two 
weeks ( diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is 
improving quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on 
board with prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to 
why at this time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any 
length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or must it be 
continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  From Everything I have 
read this is a generally chronic condition that only remits
Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG 
help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker....

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Rachel:

Expected or otherwise there just never seems to be an adequate way to 
prepare for such a loss  I am SO sorry.  I can only wish you the 
very FAST passage of enough time to mitigate the sadness...



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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

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I sheepishly add this to the list after writing my last 
"tome"...BUT...   Wondering if anyone on the list ( Besides Amani) has 
had success with Winstrol??    Looking at the other "advances" in FeLV 
Tx I am not impressed at the response rates ( or ,more specifically, the 
cost/benefit ratio)... Spending a couple of thousand on a tx that 
promises less than a 25% chance of addressing the issue is not my idea 
of a sensible expenditure for a retired guy who is already living on 
fumes and can't return to work ( if I want to be able to provide the 
care my guys are likely to need in the future)..   I'm so used to 
having my own ( owned) place and wish I had gotten a two bedroom now 
because I would like to have someone living with me who I could trust to 
look out for my guys when I can't be there   Have to give serious 
thought to renting again...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

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I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her 
pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to 
" all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard 
understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I 
am not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that 
it is BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY 
individual MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and 
ethically and who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not 
always like the conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of 
saying that " The Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can 
seldom be seen avoiding these same uninformed professionals as soon as 
something goes amiss with their health.( Then , of course, fail to 
follow the advice they are given...don't improve and blame it on the 
fact the the " Doctors don't know what they are talking about" : )    We 
run that risk here as well Vets are businessmen/women and the world 
of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in the same direction as Human 
Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group practices to sell services AND 
medications and don't always predicate their decisions on what is best 
for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO important to NOT run from 
Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust and stay with them!!  
Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure to " sell " most 
decent people will allow the long term relationship to count for 
"something" over time and modify their approach.  Most importantly try 
to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about your animals 
disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate the advice 
you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not paying 
enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached a 
different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did 
give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat 
but was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed 
sensibly
( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want 
to prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in 
house ( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)
The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the 
same profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a 
FAR more cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to 
measure Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very 
drugs that were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the 
better vet??   I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone 
with whom to develop a relationship and I could go broke running from 
Vet to Vet until I find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( 
BTWEACH one of the Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..
Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...   
The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties 
and we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as 
we can be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot 
different than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go 
over when you ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a 
profound sadness at this dilution of the meaning of professional.  
Now we really DO have to keep both eyes open

until we know our " professional" well.
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Re: [Felvtalk] SC woman

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All:
Certainly understand why you would want to keep her cats down there...
My concern is that if this woman does not get the care SHE needs there 
will BE no
Caretaker for these animals  AND...who is going to take care of her 
animals
if/when she does get the lung transplants.  Various list members 
have repeatedly
said that there ARE no services she can turn to in the South  Is her 
son going to be able

to look after the cats...
You all are very kind.   Guess too many years as a Social Worker has 
made me a bit more wary.

Many questions after reading her GoFundme profile...
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Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis

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Wonder if anyone has has any success with treating Uveitis in FeLV 
cats.  I've had my 10 mo. old guy to two different Vets...One 
prescribed tribple ABX with Corticosteroid which had no appreciable 
effect the other vet counseled against using Cortisones due to the 
risk of Corneal Ulcers Without treatment my guy is now losing his 
vision...he has blood in the Anterior Chamber in both eyes and Lens 
clouding in the right eye.  It is getting VERY troubling when I get 
different opinions about something so important  I'm having rather a 
difficult time sitting by and letting my guy go blind. The 
Literature all points to Corticosteroid Drops as the first line 
treatment  but this is for the disease as it affects so called " 
normal " cats.    Which is the lesser of evils with Cortisone Tx in 
this case..??


Currently following Amani's suggestion from a while ago and rinsing his 
eyes a few times a day with Contact Lens Solution to keep them from 
Gunking up but.  He IS losing and none of the vets appear at all 
inclined to do further testing.   Again  it's like they are 
saying " Oh isn't it nice that you want to save this sweet FeLV Kitty 
but, really, don't try TOO hard"



Bob
Warwick NY
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker and Kittens...

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Rachel:
While I would like, of course, to see more people take the animals that 
are harder to place, you are hardly to be critiqued for giving a needy 
animal(s) a home.   I wouldn't take Kittens at my age ( 64) simply 
because there is a good chance that I would not outlive them ( with 
current health concerns) and I don't have anyone to leave them with when 
I go...  It KILLS me when I see animals that lived in a home for most of 
their lives brought to our shelter at age 14 or older because the owner 
passed away or became too infirm to take care of them any more.  Worse 
still when someone finds out ,after having the animal 10 years that they 
are " allergic " ( but I won't start on that one)  Enjoy 
themthey add such energy to a household!!
My one 9 month old still acts as though he is 6 weeks old and I VERY 
much wish he weighed the same todayHe'd wreck the place if I didn't 
keep an eye on him constantly



Bob
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[Felvtalk] Twigs and Asthma

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hi Ashley

I'd be a lot more concerned about the Stomatitis than the Asthma ( 
unless it is compromising his ability to Sleep and Play)  My little 9mo 
old had a couple of "retching" fits a day that are consistent with 
Feline Asthma but he hasn't yet been Xrayed ( which is really the only 
way to be surei understand) He runs around like a maniachas 
a good appetite and does not appear compromised by the minimal symptoms 
( it was FAR worse when I got him...but after dusting and vacuuming to 
the ends of the earth he improved quite a bit)... The Asthma meds are 
quite expensive as is the apparatus one uses to administer the inhaler( 
don't recall the name at the moment) so if he can do without itso 
much the better  You don't want to load a FeLV Kitty with meds 
unless they REALLY are helpful   I keep my guys on L-lysine ( though 
there is some question now as to the usefulness of the Amino Acid)  and 
an Herbal Immune Booster and Lung support ( also Herbal) from Pet Well 
Being. I'd be hard pressed to say if they are doing anything but _ 
I_ wanted to feel as I was doing something when I became a new " Cat 
Daddy" to them.    Have no personal experience with Stomatitis but 
do know that the two cats with the disease at the shelter who did not 
improve on meds DID improve markedly after they had their teeth 
extracted  It's not something to undertake lightly but almost 
invariably _ some_ teeth end up needing extraction.  There are a lot 
of people here to offer resources and their own experiencesread ALL 
the posts and gather information you'll feel a lot better for it..  
It's helped me a lot I know...



Bob
Warwick NY 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Our Cats....

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Rachel...

Your little girl sounds like an adorable little hellionand likely 
still small enough that her nighttime " Zooms" are not going to end up 
with the house Wrecked Like Ardy I have had a number of times 
now that I swear I want to kill my 9mo old ( Magellin...  " Jelly")  He 
weighs FAR too much to be zooming around the house like an 8 week old 
kitten but that is exactly what he does( he's doing it now as I type 
this note and he is driving me CRAZY)  Up over the bed...over the 
computer...up to the top of the Dresser...knocks EVERYTHING off..back to 
the floor imagines he sees something well ahead and takes off like a 
shot into the living roomover the sofa...across the windows... back 
again...into the kitchen where he knocks the pots and pans to the 
floorTHEN when I finally catch him he looks at me with that " 
Yeah..and?? " look almost as if to say" What did you expect... I'm a 
CAT!!! "  Per Harry,  I used to have an unbelieveably affectionate 
tortie years ago who would take up residence on my chest EVERY night 
after I fell asleep  I'd invariably wake up in the middle of the 
night to her " bisquit" making near my neck and my eyes would open to 
this little face mere inches from my own...Happy as could be, purring 
away and kneading to beat the band  her claws stung but the whole 
thing was SO damn cute that I simply let her keep it up and ultimately 
fell back to sleep   I think that is the actual barometer of when 
you have been transformed into a " cat person" when you are willing 
to endure the little discomforts of their " misbehaviors " ( that are 
generally simply "cat" behaviors) because you so appreciate their " 
catness ".( BTW... that is not to say that I don't get outrageously 
irritated at times when he destroys some bit of the household in his 
Zeal...eg... My Patio door screens are virtually useless as a bug 
deterrent due to his discovery that climbing to the top of the screen 
and yowling will get me to the porch to let him back in( I'm 
fortunate to live on the second floor of my condo complex and CAN allow 
my Kitties a taste of the outdoors without worrying about them taking 
off or contacting other cats or critters)  I love to watch them 
enjoying themselves laying out in the sun and try to imagine that the 
sun is somehow ridding their body of the FeL Virus ( Fastasy of course 
but a nice thought)  enjoy your new Kittens...  Harry will be as 
fond of them , over time, as you are if he has a heart...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman.....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Having a hard time ( as usual) getting this all straight in the digest 
formie... where this woman and her cats actually stand at the 
momentbut...


I would suggest, as a possibility,  ( and I can only remember 2 
instances when I have made this suggestion) that she have herself 
admitted to the local hospital and tell them she has NO where to go upon 
dischargethough should not admit this up front. The last 11 yrs 
of my life I worked as a Hospital ER and Inpatient Social Worker  and 
Hospitals ( at least in NYS) are not allowed to discharge patients who 
are homeless and in need of medical services post discharge  This 
will put a discharge planner on the case who will assist with finding a 
place for her to live.  Admittedly...   it will not be the perfect 
arrangement but might buy her some time and will definitely be better 
than nothing. I could say with assurance if she lived in NYS 
that this would BE a good answer SC could well be different 
If I could speak with her directly I would know better if this could be 
an answer for her  ( are her animals all still with her at this 
point??)   
I have time I could devote to this but precious little extra money 
my own cats are eating up my expendable income



I cannot tell you how many times I was severely scammed by people doing 
this simply TO get housing. bout time the secret was out for someone 
who deserves the assistance ( legitimate decent people seldom DO this 
intentionally)  Just a suggestion I'm also wondering if 
she has home health services??  Health Insurance??  Likely has state 
Medicaid given her situation and the Section 8 approval.   She NEEDS 
state Social Services involved




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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

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After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood 
results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later 
he is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab 
)when he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye 
as well)  Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+ 
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX
Others on the group have suggested uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent 
with this)... that said...  I have never been sure of the dosages being 
used with winstrol and Doxy  Those of you who are using this 
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This 
would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the 
Doxy??    Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm 
in asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him 
well"...   Great idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem 
until yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant..  
As this is the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the 
mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??)

Thanks for any input...

Bob
Warwick NY
 
 
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
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Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)


Ardy



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of kat

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary


Ardy,


The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said 
"So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been 
to be so successful.



Kat (Mew Jersey)

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat 
Sanctuary


Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most 
cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean 
they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?



Thank you,

Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary



Lorrie,


That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a 
no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to 
find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the 
groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. 
We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk 
positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with 
non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to 
contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days 
and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't 
going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in 
have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options 
on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests 
positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these 
kitties



Let me know!

Thanks Amy


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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary




   Lorrie,

   Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!

   Kat (Mew Jersey)


Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick 

Re: [Felvtalk] to Sandy and Rachel

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Thank you for the input...  
 
 
 On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:11 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
wrote:

 
Sandy:.Currently using a combination Neomycin, Polymixin B Sulfates 
with Dexamethasone
Provided to me by the shelter.  I have an informal " deal " with 
them to provide Vet services
and meds if I either can't afford them or it's a simple matter easily 
resolved by the Shelter consultant vet.
They realize that the two kitties I adopted would be there , quite 
possibly, for life had I not adopted them and I am saving them space and 
expense...  The problem is that I don't get to speak directly to 
whatever vet they will send my guys to and therefore do not have any say 
in what is done or prescribed  THAT is why I took Yogi to a private 
vet on my own the other day   She did not recommend any treatment 
for the eye... and now that it has moved to the other as well I don't 
know if her opinion will change.   I have only a very beginning 
relationship with this hospital as I have not had pets for a while and 
do not have a regular vet It's going to take several more visits 
before I am a known quantity who is not regarded as " off the wall" if I 
suggest things that no one else is doing...


Rachel:   I am thinking that I will try the mirtazapine another day or 
two... but if he gets worse by tomorrow I am going to stop it as this is 
the ONLY change that I have made to his usual regimen  I am VERY 
perplexed at what is going on with him ...    Again... I am only 
learning about FeLV now as I am new to both the disease and shelter 
volunteering   I will syringe feed if need be...  Only for a day has 
he indicated a lack of desire for food...if I don't see poop in the box 
I'll supplement...    Honestly... I had no idea that I would be getting 
into this level of worry and concern when I adopted these guys I was 
"sort of " misled by the tech at the shelter that they would be OK for a 
while and then likely succumb to serious disease in a year or two    
I am learning quite different now   I still would have done it but I 
would have been more emotionally prepared had I known how chronically 
ill they could possibly  be


thanks... 



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Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 10:46:13 -0400
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Bob, Has Tobramycin been tried for the eyes??
Sandy W

-Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no
matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the 
meds
you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go 
without
eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use 
this
each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could 
do this

with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding.

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Of

ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood 
results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half 
later he
is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab 
)when
he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as 
well)

Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have 
suggested
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said...  I 
have
never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy 
Those

of you who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ? 
This

would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about 
the
Doxy??Don't know that this vet will go for it but ther

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 56

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

t lenses but is 
safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the 
contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often 
helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can 
alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.


If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count 
is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye 
cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help.


Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk 
of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try 
the Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the 
results are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a 
reticulocyte count to be done, which will help determine if any 
anemia you may find is regenerative or non-regenerative.


At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes 
with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the 
advancement of the FeLV virus.


Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... 
Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, 
are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the 
pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the 
fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body 
builders and athletes??


Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ 
Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes 
Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 
months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea 
of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit 
off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well 
since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating 
Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he 
developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be 
burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for 
this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as 
I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet 
insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the 
way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and 
prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and 
Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy 
hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( 
if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only 
the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very 
little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first 
experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am 
not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive 
unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already 
providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT 
more love and attention than they ever would have known. 
Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is 
causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to 
get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to 
still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am 
hopeful that he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what 
might have caused the blood in his eye. also there is some clear 
discharge which I wipe away several times during the day... Any 
thoughts welcome...


Bob
Warwick NY

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Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are 
any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
administering it
Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with 
regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the 
more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes??


Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties 
( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus 
infection)   I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) 
from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their 
living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT 
more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I 
brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing 
mightily despite a chronic URI  Last week he developed some 
cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what appear to be burst 
capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this 
particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might 
be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of 
DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed 
Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( 
running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at 
my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again 
to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is 
presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed 
explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted 
rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been 
reading vocaciously   I am not one who is going to employ heroic 
measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to 
them...   I'm already providing them a much better life than they might 
have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have 
known.  Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell 
if it is causing him pain..    Making an appt. to have blood work 
done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to 
still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful 
that he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have 
caused the blood in his eye.  also there is some clear discharge 
which I wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts 
welcome...


Bob
Warwick NY

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Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
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GOOD VET!

 Rachel Dagner  wrote:
When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg 
and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he 
didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if 
I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside too. 
We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he 
could live three months or a long normal life there was just no 
telling. She never even said the word euthanize.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:

I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or 
keep Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and 
never returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.



 Ardy Robertson  wrote:

Hello,

If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help 
people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. 
Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you 
are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets 
even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them 
in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

rtisone in the eye cream may 
help reduce any inflammation and that may help.


Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk 
of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results 
are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte 
count to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find 
is regenerative or non-regenerative.


At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes 
with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the 
advancement of the FeLV virus.


Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... 
Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, 
are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the 
pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the 
fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body 
builders and athletes??


Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ 
Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus 
infection)   I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 
months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea 
of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit 
off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since 
the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily 
and playing mightily despite a chronic URI  Last week he developed 
some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what appear to be burst 
capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this 
particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might 
be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of 
DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed 
Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment wi
 th Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I 
think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to 
take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx 
suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster 
and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then 
very little as they get a very discounted rate)   This is my first 
experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously   I am 
not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive 
unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them...   I'm already 
providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT 
more love and attention than they ever would have known. 
Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is 
causing him pain..Making an appt. to have blood work done to 
get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still 
be red and his paw pads have not  gotten lighter so I am hopeful that 
he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused 
the blood in his eye.  also there is some clear discharge which I 
wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts 
welcome...


Bob
Warwick NY

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   2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ (dlg...@windstream.net)
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
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GOOD VET!

 Rachel Dagner  wrote:
When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg 
and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he 
didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me 
if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside 
too.

Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for your responses.   I have a bit of a dilemna as 
this issued didn't crop up until  he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and 
ocular for a couple of months    Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal 
test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is 
symptom free Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other than 
what is given them.  Still, I doubtless will have his stool tested just 
need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of expenses... He is 
currently on weekly B12 injections and we are looking to see if it helps 
his Hct ( which is a little low)   This poor little guy has just one 
thing after another and ,to be frank, I don't know how much longer I can 
afford the various chronic maladies If his buddy ( my other Felv+ 
cat) goes south soon I'm going to face a REAL dilemna.  Retirement 
on limited funds and sick animals are not ideal bedfellows.   Gotta 
keep on Tryin


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:03:28 -0400
From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool
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Bob, I assume you've checked Yogi for parasites.  The fact that he
is losing weight and having soft bloody mucus could indicate IBD
Inflammatory Bowel Disease, I have a cat with this.  My cat, Sooty,
was on Metronidazole for two weeks, and now has to take prednisolone
every other day (transdermally) to keep this under control. He also
gets B-12 shots once a week.  I hope Yogi does not have this, as it
is not curable, only managable.  Sooty still enjoys life, but cannot
gain weight no matter how much he eats.

Lorrie

 assume you've
had him checked for paras

On 08-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
   My 1 yr old ( Yogi) whose life has been one problem after another 
is
   now showing bloody mucus in his stool which is now becoming soft 
as
   well Had him to the Vet and he just completed a 10 day round 
of

   Flagyl...
   I'm already spending a fair amount with the Prednisolone Acetate 
he
   needs to keep his Uveitis at bay and 300 bucks later ( with an 
Xray) it

   does not look at though he has any blockages...  Anyone have any
   experience with this ??   Any relatively benign possible reasons (
   really hoping it is not severe autoimmune bowel disorder) 
This

   poor little guy has a lot going on for a young cat also losing
   weight BUT...acting energetic, appetite is good and he's even
   playing a bit despite being half blind..
   thanks,
   Bob in Warwick NY



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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:49:09 -0400
From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool
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Bob, in case this might help Yogi?
My non-FeLV positive cat Frodo, had terrible, liquid, smelly stools 
with mucous for a number of years.
Started at about 1.5 years of age.  Tried metronidazole, all of the 
dewormers and treated for coccidia too, was sure he must have had IBD 
or colitis, etc.
Finally what helped him was a restricted protein diet, to rule out a 
food sensitivity.  We had to stick with the diet for months, longer 
than the recommended time, with a few metronidazole weeks 
interspersed, almost gave up when he got a mild bout of loose stool 
again, gave metronidazole one last time, a few days past when I was 
supposed to stop it, and glad I did, because his stools firmed up and 
became normal, and have been normal ever since!
I have read that cats have food sensitivities more than actual food 
allergies. I am not sure to what ingredient he is sensitive to, and 
hesitate to try to figure it out, because after so many years of 
terrible stools, now
he is symptom free and has been for a number of years.  He eats Royal 
Canin rabbit and green pea.  Not what I would like to feed, but

in his case it was the answer.
In case this might help.
Shelley

Shelley Theye
ve...@bellsouth.net




On Aug 13, 2016, at

Re: [Felvtalk] Blood in Stool

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

My 1 yr old ( Yogi) whose life has been one problem after another is now 
showing bloody mucus in his stool which is now becoming soft as well 
Had him to the Vet and he just completed a 10 day round of Flagyl...
I'm already spending a fair amount with the Prednisolone Acetate he 
needs to keep his Uveitis at bay and 300 bucks later ( with an Xray) it 
does not look at though he has any blockages...  Anyone have any 
experience with this ??   Any relatively benign possible reasons ( 
really hoping it is not severe autoimmune bowel disorder)   This 
poor little guy has a lot going on for a young cat also losing 
weight BUT...acting energetic, appetite is good and he's even 
playing a bit despite being half blind..

thanks,
Bob in Warwick NY

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sandy...
Thank you  I am only now looking into " natural " methods to calm 
his bowel as there are really few medicines that I am aware of for this 
disorder that he can take that won't interfere with his already 
compromised immune system. the perpetual dilemma of medical care for 
immune compromised kitties...


BTW his stood is not full of a lot of blood generally...  a little 
frank blood occasionally and other times red tinged mucus stool is 
generally semi formed and only once did he have frank diarrhea and that 
was following a semi formed stool. what I am hoping is that I can 
normalize his bowel and maybe it will return to normal The little 
guy has been on several courses of antibiotics nearly back to back and 
even the Flagyl ( which was intended to help him) might also have 
further disturbed his intestinal flora... Would really like to back him 
off systemic meds for a few weeks, if possible, give gut enhancing " 
probiotics" ( if any such really exist) and see if that helps..   
there is , of course, always the possibility of lymphoma as well
Again.   I am not going to rush into all kinds of testing until( 
unless) the symptoms get worse...


Have to treat my Kitties like I treat my teeth act when I HAVE 
to...except when preventive services will ultimately save me money in 
the long term...



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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:06:48 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool
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I LIKE THE YOGURT AND PUMPKIN FOR UPSET TUMMIES.
 Sandy  wrote:
Robert, I understand and sympathize your dilemma - as do the others 
I'm sure. I am on a limited income also - so I really understand. Is 
the stool really bloody? Hopefully not. You might try some 
organic canned pumpkin mixed in the wet food or use a syringe to get 
it down - pumpkin is good - I know others who use organic yogurt - 
each is good for any kitty cat.

Don't give up yet Sandy W
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August 14, 2016 3:11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bloody Stool


Thank you all for your responses. I have a bit of a dilemna as 
this issued didn't crop up until he had BEEN on Prednisolone oral and 
ocular for a couple of months Didn't go for the 50 dollar fecal 
test this time because his house mate ( who shares the litter box) is 
symptom free Both are indoor cats and exposed to no food other 
than what is given them. Still, I doubtless will have his stool 
tested just need a couple of weeks to recover from a rash of 
expenses... He is currently on weekly B12 injections and we are 
looking to see if it helps his Hct ( which is a little low) This 
poor little guy has just one thing after another and ,to be frank, I 
don't know how much longer I can afford the various chronic 
maladies If his buddy ( my other Felv+ cat) goes south soon I'm 
going to face a REAL dilemna. Retirement on limited funds and 
sick animals are not ideal bedfellows. Gotta keep on Tryin
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Bob, I assume you've checked Yogi for parasites. The fact that he is 

Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sherrie

Where are you located??    We have been back and forth SO many times 
here about how to get a vet to prescribe Stanazole and here your vet 
prescribes it unbidden  At least for a Felv+ cat I'd stay with this 
one for a while Really hope your Kitty responds..


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Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 02:30:09 -0700
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I come to you for suggestions for our Cole. We got Cole as a litter 
rescue from our yard
We feed the strays and a little very young mother left them at our 
door
 We already had some house cats so built a kennel to shelter them 
Outside and began To look for homes for them. Then two litter kittens 
showed up and old tom. A no kill shelter took the littler kittens. 
They found out one if them tested positive for feline leukemia. We 
tested rest of ours and all but the one female tested positive. So we 
cleaned out our garage, insulated, heated, air conditioned and 
sheltered them there. No matter what we did little Tig was so sick 
That he died before he was a yr old. He was such a sweet little cat 
that considered everything and anyone a toy--so sad. The rest tested 
negative the next two test. We all lived happily for next 3 1/2 years. 
Until this week Cole stopped eating.


 Took him to vet and here is bad part.
Tested positive for feline leukemia again
Bun10 (16-3(
Alt 294(12-130)
Alkp 144(14-111)
Tbil 4.2(0.0-0.9)
Rbc 4.02 (8.54-12.20)
Hct 21.1(30.3-52.3)
Hgb 6.8(9.8-16.2)
Wbc 2.06(2.87-17.02
Neu 0.50(1.48-10.29)
Lym 0.74(0.92-6.88)
Plt 39(151-600)
Rest was in normal range
The vet gave Cole subcutaneous fluids, polyflex/dexasone injection, b 
complex injection, and clavamox drops on last wednesday.


But he cant eat and i am syringe feeding AD prscription Food. First 
few days was able to get him to take 2 syringes but then threw up and 
have not been able to get him past One syringe since then without him 
throwing up. He threw up food three times and phlem or hair.  He is 
very alert, drinking, urinating 2-4 times a day, no BM until one 
little turd today
He bathes Self after he eats, shinny healthy looking hair. Took Cole 
back today and vet did same as before but We changed to Orbax instead 
of clavamox.  I was very excited tonight cause he attempted to eat But 
only licked gravy of purina Fancy feast., but was start.  Later this 
evening after syringe feed only 3 ml he threw up what looked like two 
meals!!  He seems to have a good day, but then has setback with 
throwup--- three times he has done that .  He has lost a pound in 6 
days!!.  So worried cause he cant eat on own and keeps throwing up.
His brother Ash tested positive again too but his bloodwork is all in 
normal range and seems ti be doing fine.  His other brother BJ tested 
negative and bloodwork all normal range.  Vet suggested no treatment 
for them.  I housed them together and seperated Cole.


I am so worried that we are going to loose Cole because he cant eat 
and keeps throwing up syringed food.  Also worried about Ash's 
positive test for feline leukemia again.

Sorry for lenght but thought you wpuld need all info.
Please advise as soon as possible.  Thank you from Cole, his family 
and I

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I have not hd experience with this, but will keep you and Cole in my 
prayers.


 Karen Harshbarger  wrote:
I come to you for suggestions for our Cole. We got Cole as a litter 
rescue from our yard
We feed the strays and a little very young mother left them at our 
door
 We already had some house cats so built a kennel to shelter them 
Outside and began To look for homes for them. Then two litter kittens 
showed up 

Re: [Felvtalk] Being Dropped..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Listserve Technology is rather hard to decipher without a Help file... 
and I never noticed one for this group when I joined ( has anyone ever 
received such)... eg.. differences between Reply and Reply all ( I note 
that if I use reply it STILL goes to everyone but if  REPLY all.. I see 
the message listed twice... 
I also frequently see " HTML attachment " scrubbed" instead of a 
response from someone ( his happened with Kat's reply  no 
text...just HTML attachment scrubbed.    When I first started to use the 
Internet _ many_ years ago when it was purely text based.. Listserves 
were the only form of group communication and people who joined got a , 
ridiculously long,hard to understand, but ultimately helpful file that 
told you how to negotiate the list  Perhaps we have such a thing for 
this group??  Anyone notice??    I doubt the list maintainer has any 
personal interest in dropping anyone...more likely it is an auto 
response.


Bob


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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 17:56:13 -0500
From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Being dropped
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I am continually (every few weeks) being treatened with having my
membership disabled/dropped, whatever. However I never received any
of these any of these "bounces" from my ISP that I am accused of!


Due to having been in a serious automobile accident..My car hit a
patch of black ice and went over a hill and hit two trees, I was not
able to respond to the recent threat from this FelV group.  I do not
think it is fair to dump me beause I was not able to respond within 3
days!  I enjoy this group and consider myself a valuable member.


James,  Please reconsider If not then goodbye to everyone 
here.

Lorrie




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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 20:22:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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But if you're responding, have you been dropped? I got the same notice 
a few days back, and I hadn't been "notified" of anything bouncing, 
either.
I guess I just thought it was an automatic thing and not under 
anyone's control. I didn't notice a time limit, but I just replied 
without really paying attention.


I hope you stay, you would be missed...

Margo





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From: Lorrie Sent: Feb 2, 2017 5:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: owner-felvt...@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Being dropped

I am continually (every few weeks) being treatened with having my
membership disabled/dropped, whatever. However I never received any
of these any of these "bounces" from my ISP that I am accused of!


Due to having been in a serious automobile accident..My car hit a
patch of black ice and went over a hill and hit two trees, I was not
able to respond to the recent threat from this FelV group.  I do not
think it is fair to dump me beause I was not able to respond within 3
days!  I enjoy this group and consider myself a valuable member.


James,  Please reconsider If not then goodbye to everyone 
here.

Lorrie


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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 20:17:22 -0600
From: To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being dropped
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Never got his notice.
 Margo  wrote:



But if you're responding, have you been dropped? I got the same 
notice a few days back, and I hadn't been "notified" of anything 
bouncing, either.
I guess I just thought it was an automatic thing and not under 
anyone's control. I didn't notice a time limit, but I just replied 
without really paying attention.


I 

Re: [Felvtalk] animal care

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...

I've thought about this but, honestly, have no idea as to how to go 
about marketing those services...
The plain animal care arena where I live is literally glutted with 
people doing this ( some of whom are putting big bucks into Logos and 
Literature and advertising ( One woman actually had her care painted to 
match her business card  " Dog Sitty " .    The people at the 
shelter are not going to help me out with it because ALL of them are in 
the business as well   : )    Still ...I'm going to ask the Shelter 
Director if she herSELF has any ideas because she knows quite well the 
complications that I have with Yogi...
( Sadly... the little guy is not doing well for the past couple of 
days Hiding out... not coming up on the bed to snuggle... but... 
still eating and coming out of  Hiding if I shake the temptations box... 
I'd fell a LOT better if he were interacting
Self promotion was never one of my strong suits it's one of the main 
reasons that I am struggling financially in my " near golden" years  : )



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Robert

Can I make a suggestion which is something I would dearly love to do 
myself. Why not house sit for others going on holidays, who have 
animals? You could only accept jobs in the near vicinity, so you could 
pop back home and check on your babies as needed. You could also 
charge different amounts for just dropping in to check on an animal, 
getting the mail, taking in the newspaper, and watering the plants, 
versus staying at the house. I know that when I go away, the first and 
most important thing I have to arrange is care for my animals. We are 
lucky to have a cousin who is perpetually out of work (though quite 
young) so he is always available and good with our animals, and we pay 
him well.


Nowadays, with the internet as well, it is easier than ever to market 
your services. No more do you have to pin an ad on a supermarket 
community board, but you can do that too, along with a distribution of 
flyers in neighbourhoods near you.
There is good money in doing this, and what happens is that when one 
person uses your services, he/she tells family and friends about you 
when they're going away. You also can accept and reject jobs - you 
aren?t stuck with a particular commitment - so there's far more 
flexibility.


You're obviously wonderful with animals, so you would be perfect for 
something like this. (It is my dream job - I could live vicariously 
through you.)


Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: January-20-17 4:15 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...

Hello All:
I have a recollection of someone( or someone(s) in our forum 
mentioning trying a " Go fund me " campaign for their cat(s)? Was 
it at all successful? I am going to need to find some money if I 
am going to keep my guys going as I really can't return to any kind of 
reasonable paying work as long as meds need to be give a few times a 
day ( I can get paid 3x more for a day of work if I go back to where I 
used to work which is 55 miles away but it makes me nervous being 
that far away if something happens that I can't get back)... I have no 
real prospects for anything near my home but am beginning to look? 
The commited folks on this forum are spending FAR more on their 
Kitties than I could dream of affording and it hurts me that what _ I 
_ thought would be adequate care falls so short of what others are 
doing..?

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:38:19 +
From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

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Hi Ardy. I just discovered this information

Re: [Felvtalk] Curly

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy ...

That is phenomenal News... Crit is edging quickly back towards normal.
Wouldn't it be great if more vets were as open minded and caring as your 
own
and , yes, there is more than one cat that would no longer be on this 
earth were it not for this forum.
My own little Yogi included   If one listens only to the uninformed 
vets it is easy to assume that the disease if a death sentence and 
nothing is lost helping the animal avoid future suffering by taking 
him/her out now Two vets have " suggested " this to me without 
really _ saying_ it   I'm so glad for Curly and you that the future 
looks that much brighter.



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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:52:02 -0600
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Curly's latest labs from yesterday show another hematocrit leap from 
15% to
23% in 2 1/2 weeks. She has also gained 6/10 of a pound! (7.1 up from 
6.5).
Behaviorally she is almost back to her old self. She is no longer 
hiding,
seeks out attention and is eating well. Our vet told us he is 
astounded.
But more importantly, he said that he is changing his treatment for 
FELV
cats based on Curly's remarkable improvement and will be using 
Prednisone,
Winstrol and Doxycyline in the future. A small win for our side 
against

this disease.

Her blood chemistry test did show that her ALT levels have risen to 
174
which is an indicator that liver cells are being destroyed. Our vet 
said it

is definitely a result of the anabolic steroid but he isn't overly
concerned yet. H wants us to continue treatment for another month. 
Once

Curly's hematocrit is up to around 30 he wants to start cycling the
Winstrol, one week on and one week off, to give her liver a chance to
regenerate.

Without this forum and the advice I received here along with a very
understanding and open-minded vet, I'm quite sure Curly wouldn't be 
around
anymore. I have my fingers crossed that we can keep things balanced 
and

headed in the right direction but so far, so good!

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Hopefully, we start winning the vets over when they see the results, 
and
they start to tell each other about some success for FeLV cats with 
this
combination. By the way, I have also effectively used this 
combination for

a cat who, I believe had FIV, and I currently am using just the
Doxy/Winstrol combination on 2 of 3 kittens we picked up from the 
side of

the road in August and they displayed the symptoms of Lyme Disease
(alternating lameness and other signs). In the last case, I am pretty 
sure

that the majority of the effect on the Lyme organism *(Borrelia
bergdorferi) *is from the Doxycycline, but the good effect on the
lameness (which had been in place for several months before I thought 
to
try the medications) is I believe as a result of the use of the 
Winstrol.




When the vets tell me that (a) they don?t know what the diagnosis is 
and
other options seem ineffective or (b) they tell me there is no hope, 
I will

usually try the Winstrol and almost always get a decent result.



Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
Behalf

Of *Randy Henke
*Sent:* January-22-17 11:54 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement



Amani, you asked what our vet thought about Curly's improvement. He 
was

very pleased but I think he was also a little surprised. He is an
incredible vet and always goes the extra mile to listen and explain 
things.

He was also very open to letting us try the Prednisolone, Doxy and
Winstrol, even though he'd never treated a FELV cat in that way. I 
think he
thought it would help put my mind at ease that we'd tried everything 
we
could and he's right. It would have done that even if the treatment 
hadn't
worked. He was very concerned about the Prednisolone opening her up 
to
secondary infections but once he saw the numbers start to improve he 
was
convinced we were doing the right thing and told us to keep it up. I 
am

going to talk to him about continuing the Doxy.

Robert, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom I 
had asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and most 
recently for suggestions related to making money to be able to keep 
treating him..
Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had 
started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few 
weeks to 14   I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks 
to the efforts of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful 
but he faded too fast for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply was 
not one of the cats that was going to respond to it)
He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and 
with the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive all 
these months stroking him..  I had actually made arrangements to put him 
down later that day after seeing the condition he was in that morning.  
I'm SO glad I didn't have to keep that appointment.
It's been a tough go...   The little guy never really knew more than a 
few months of health.
There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a 
ratty little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a 
sweet gentle little soul that never so much as  attempted to scratch me 
despite all the things I had to put him through to keep him alive 
There was almost nothing left of him at the end ( started with him at 6 
months old and 7.5 lbs and progressively over a year lost 3 lbs ( about 
40% of his body weight .  I probably would have put him down on at least 
3 occassions if it wasn't for all the good advice and suggestions I got 
from all of you that helped me press on .
So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one 
big hurt of losing him  it will pass in a bit of time( though 
certainly not today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home to 
another FeLV Cat that would have spent it's life in a cage.. and to 
give a playmate to my still healthy guy who is still very much a Kitten 
in his actions and DYING to have someone to play with...this time I will 
FOSTER so that I don't go broke with cat care if the next little 
guy/girl starts to go south well ahead of time...
Thanks to  all of you for being there for FeLV cats...  You all are the 
one bit of luck the kitties who have come under your care have had


Bob
Warwick NY

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Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for your kind words... I guess when it comes to FeLV ( and 
more than likely all cats and most creatures small, medium and large)... 
we're all preaching to the choir...   I know all of you would feel very 
much the same as I and that I would offer similar words of condolence 
and encouragement (not that it isn't still nice and very much 
appreciated)    I've watched many of you put heroic effort into saving 
your Buddies and still others save every stray that ever meandered up to 
their door.  It's heartwarming and so encouraging to know that all of 
you are out there doing what you can for these sweet creatures( and some 
perhaps not so sweet..but in need none the less : ) ..  If more 
people were like all the caring people on this forum there would BE no 
homeless animals and shelters would merely be a very temporary stopover 
and, perhaps, a convenient place to pick up one or two extra cats if 
none happened to take up residence on your stoop that week... But..  If 
wishes were horses then beggars would ride...


thank you all...
Bob


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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:07:56 -0600
From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing
Message-ID: <20170130200756.3ZKFQ.2309.root@pamxwww08-z01>
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I am so sorry that he passed, but glad that he was in his bed, with 
you at his side.  Maybe he did not have long  but his time with you 
was a time filled with love.  Yes, it will take some time to get over 
this hurt, but as you say, you will be able to give another FELV cat 
love.  You will always have memories.


---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom 
I
had asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and 
most recently for suggestions related to making money to be able to 
keep treating him..
Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had 
started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few 
weeks to 14?? I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks 
to the efforts of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful 
but he faded too fast for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply 
was not one of the cats that was going to respond to it)
He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and 
with the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive 
all these months stroking him..? I had actually made arrangements to 
put him down later that day after seeing the condition he was in that 
morning.? I'm SO glad I didn't have to keep that appointment.
It's been a tough go...?? The little guy never really knew more than a 
few months of health.
There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a 
ratty little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a 
sweet gentle little soul that never so much as? attempted to scratch 
me despite all the things I had to put him through to keep him 
alive There was almost nothing left of him at the end ( started 
with him at 6 months old and 7.5 lbs and progressively over a year 
lost 3 lbs ( about 40% of his body weight .  I probably would have put 
him down on at least 3 occassions if it wasn't for all the good advice 
and suggestions I got from all of you that helped me press on .
So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one 
big hurt of losing him  it will pass in a bit of time( though 
certainly not today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home 
to another FeLV Cat that would have spent it's life in a cage.. 
and to give a playmate to my still healthy guy who is still very much 
a Kitten in his actions and DYING to have someone to play with...this 
time I will FOSTER so that I don't go broke with cat care if the next 
little guy/girl starts to go south well ahead of time...
Thanks to? all of you for being there for FeLV cats...? You all are 
the one bit of luck the kitties who have come under your care have 
had

Re: [Felvtalk] confirmation

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Don't let it lapse Margo... Just click on the Confirmation page...
Something screwy is clearly happening with the email system and the 
computer just wants
to know that your email address is correct  Would really like to 
have you remain on the list


Bob

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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:24:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Margo To: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org,
"felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] confirm
9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa
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This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come thru 
looking like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse


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To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
Subject: confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

Your membership in the mailing list Felvtalk has been disabled due to
excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
10-Feb-2017.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 2 more reminders 
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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:43:27 -0600
From: To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] confirm
9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa
Message-ID: <20170217114327.S3330.20646.root@pamxwww08-z01>
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I am feeling left out, never have gotten one of thee mesages.  Oh 
well, the old saying of let sleeping dogs lie should apply here.


 Margo  wrote:


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Sanctuaries..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Jennifer...

A few days back you had inquired about FeLV rescues and 
sanctuaries   When I got my FeLV boys I searched the Web for just 
such resources...not to transfer them but to be prepared with places 
they might go in the even something happened to me AND , specifically, 
to call them and ask their advice about how to care for my boys ( this 
was before I found this list)... I wanted to talk to people who spent a 
lot of time with multiple FeLV cats   Found that some folks were 
just nice folks that were providing homes and other were pretty well 
funded and set up with good PR...active boards and had a decent track 
record of adoption   I'm very sorry that I don't have the contacts 
right now  I put them on my PC somewhere and now don't know 
precisely where but... a couple of google searches with FeLV Rescue FeLV 
SanctuaryFelV adoption as the search terms and you will turn up 
quite a few   Off hand I recall
Blind Cat Rescue and Merrimack River ( in Mass) as two 
possibilities  The name's Aslan and Seer Farms also stick in my 
mind but I can't be more specific than that at the moment   FEW 
I imagine are going to immediately welcome new additions but it's always 
been my experience that if you get to know people at one placethey 
know people at another placeetc...etc and sooner or later you hit on 
someone that can offer assistance..   BTW  I'm absolutely with 
Amani on this one.    If your other cats are no longer kittens...( 
say 1.5 years and up) I'd vaccinate them and let your other little love 
join them  I have yet to hear of FeLV being passed from Kitten to 
Adult   I'd worry a LOT in reverse and would not put a very young 
negative cat in with FeLV positive adults.. But..as always...it's what 
YOU are comfortable with.   I just know that some cats really do a 
LOT better with company... my remaining boy ( I lost one of my guys just 
a short while ago after a brief life of constant illness) is VERY 
affiliative and I ended up adopting him BECAUSE I could see that he was 
dying to be with company Other cats... not so much... Your guy sound 
much like my own remaining guy and I'd really be inclined to let him 
have he company.


Bob


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I'm new   =~}

On Feb 10, 2017 7:50 AM, "Rebecca Pruett" wrote:


I am .


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:36 AM Katherine K.  wrote:


I'm not a new member. Been on here for about 4 years.

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How
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a few

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MN.  Right now I'm about to switch from oral ivermectin to Feline 
Advantage

Multi.
His fur appears to be growing back, and he must be scratching less 
because
nearly all of the scabs/ bumps are gone- BUT it would be nice to 
destroy

the mites FASTER, & without the nasty tasting oral.
Your thoughts?
Jen

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Hi Jennifer,

Thank you for taking 

Re: [Felvtalk] embarassed..re: FeLV

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Roxanne
Perhaps I missed something along the way... another email perhaps??   
I'm not sure if I understand your question...  Why would you have 
concerns about letting people know you have FeLV catsand moreover 
why would you feel somehow badly that you are NOT embarassed.  I've 
never noted any discrimination on the part of other cat owners against 
people with FeLV cats  The question took me so offguard that I feel 
I MUST have missed something along the way ( eg... you run a pet care 
business or something similiar   ?? Apart from anything like 
that I don't see the downside ( even potentially) of letting people know 
that you are kind enough to look after animals that have special 
needs...



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From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
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I?ve experienced nose issues in two cats, but in both, the problems 
were serious (one cancerous and one some sort of abscess which 
eventually impinged on the brain, causing a coma). Sounds like yours 
isn?t serious, which is a good thing. But, yeah, I?ve had to deal with 
blood all over the place as well.


Amani

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Sent: February-09-17 4:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp

Anyone here ever dealt with a nasal polyp?

My 15 yo FeLV cat started having a chronic bloody nose (in one nostril 
only) about 6 weeks ago. We did a shot of Convenia, then tried 2 weeks 
of azithromycin antibiotics. Didn't help.


I took him in for a follow up yesterday and upon closer inspection we 
discovered a polyp visible just on the inside of his nostril. It was 
too small to remove with tweezers, so the vet prescribed another round 
of azithromycin to kep infection at bay, and suggested we wait a month 
or 3 for it to grow bigger so we can remove it.


I'm just glad it's not cancerous, but the poor guy has sneezing fits 
daily, wakes up with dried blood crusted around his nostril each 
morning, and I'm wiping bloody specks off my floors and walls (from 
the sneezes. Looks like a mini crime scene in my house :-P)


Curious if anyone else has had to help cats with nose polyps.

Thanks,
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I just had a slight cold issue and it seemed Annie always got in my 
face when she sneezed.  I took her to the vet first day since she is 
positive (age 8 going on 9) and felv issues usually start with upper 
respiratory.  She got a shot and I brought home some antibiotics to 
give her. She seems to be getting better.  I have been sofortunate 
with her that this is her only illnes.


 Amani Oakley  wrote:
I?ve experienced nose issues in two cats, but in both, the problems 
were serious (one cancerous and one some sort of abscess which 
eventually impinged on the brain, causing a coma). Sounds like yours 
isn?t serious, which is a good thing. But, yeah, I?ve had to deal 
with blood all over the place as well.


Amani

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Of Katherine K.

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp

Anyone here ever dealt with a nasal polyp?

My 15 yo FeLV cat started having a chronic bloody nose (in one 
nostril only) about 6 weeks ago. We did a shot of Convenia, then 
tried 2 weeks of azithromycin antibiotics. Didn't help.


I took him in for a follow up yesterday and upon closer inspection we 
discovered a polyp visible just on the inside of his nostril. It was 
too small to remove with tweezers, so 

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Sanctuaries..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Jennifer...

You had inquired about rescues and sancuaries and I couldn't recall too 
many the other day... I've added a few below this is hardly a 
comprehensive list  Every time you do a search different ones will 
come up...  and it also depends on the search engine..


Meanwhile here are a couple of the places that I located along the 
way.   I can't vouch for how helpful they would be to you but... 
it's a start if you care to follow up.   Thought I also saw a note 
from you ON the Merrimack River Rescue Site???...



Unfortuneately I'm going to have to give them to you my name rather than 
as links because I've tried numerous times to send links and my mailers 
content scanner is picking up " spam "   I don't know which of the 
sites below is regarded as spam ( I didn't get any warning about going 
to any of the sites initially_ so I am flumoxed ..



The first is a place called Second chance rescue in the State of 
Washington...  You'll have to google it because ( as I mentioned 
above...if I format it as a URL the mail might again bounce...   Another 
is _ pawsativekarmarescue... they are in texas and sound like a very 
small operation may not still exist as last information was from 
@2013


Another is the Felineleukemiacarecenter... they are based in 
Minnesota they at least mention that they charge a surrender fee... 
 Unable to say if they are of any quality or not ALL must be checked 
out thoroughly before sending an animal to them if you want to be sure 
of it's safety...



Then there is the bestfriends sanctuary in Utah They are a very 
large operation that has been around quite a few years and provide a 
home to many hundreds of animals ( per their website and other info I 
have seen_ They put out a good blog and their site is also a good source 
of general information...



The last two are worth checking out as well.   
 Loveandhopeforanimals ( another well funded operation in Upstate New 
York and  Aslanscats also in the Northeast






http://loveandhopeforanimals.org( a well funded sanctuary in Northern 
New York State...definitely worth a look if you are not too far away...


Thanks for your kindness to this little guy if it weren't for people 
like you and our other group members a LOT more cats would be living 
MUCH more difficult lives.


Have to get going I volunteer at my Local Shelter and try to get 
there for a few hours on Sundays.Again.  I'd keep the boy if 
you possibly can...  maybe work out an arrangement with you local 
shelter ( if they are a no kill) to help with Vet bills if he turns out 
to be a sick guy ( I adopted two FeLV cats...one cost me dearly 
financially as he was sick from the get gothe other guy is going to 
the vet for the first time tomorrow ( apart from being looked at by the 
shelter vet a few times. I want him to have baseline bloodwork and a 
good physical , fecal and his 1 year Rabies ( I'm still in a quandry 
about doing or not doing the Rabies but some vet practices will not 
see cats UNLESS they've been innoculated...



Best,
Bob



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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello All:
I have a recollection of someone( or someone(s) in our forum mentioning 
trying a " Go fund me " campaign for their cat(s)  Was it at all 
successful??    I am going to need to find some money if I am going to 
keep my guys going as I really can't return to any kind of reasonable 
paying work as long as meds need to be give a few times a day ( I can 
get paid 3x more for a day of work if I go back to where I used to work 
which is 55 miles away but it makes me nervous being that far away 
if something happens that I can't get back)... I have no real prospects 
for anything near my home but am beginning to look  The commited 
folks on this forum are spending FAR more on their Kitties than I could 
dream of affording and it hurts me that what _ I _ thought would be 
adequate care falls so short of what others are doing.. 

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Randy...
You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( 
available in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are 
quite useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine 
powder if you spend a little extra time.? I have one devoted to 
only pet meds and I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is 
wasted ( eg... if I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll 
grind...then add food and then, perhaps, a little water or broth 
depending on which food I'm using... I'm sure you've discovered which 
foods are best to assure Curly will eat them with meds added ( My Guy 
will only take meds mixed in Baby food with some powdered Temptations 
treats added other days he won't consider it... so generally I mix 
the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two of Broth and administer with 
Syringe this assures that he gets the full dose and obviates 
worries about any sticking around in his esophagus... I very seldom 
pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush and it's either that or 
skip the dose? IF.. I pill him I always follow with a ML or two of 
water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that there is no residual to 
cause problems? BTW...? a HCT jump from 9 to 15 in only a couple 
of weeks is WonderfulIf I were you I wouldn't change a thing 
simply because? you don't really know which of the components is " 
more " responsible for the results or if it's the synergy between all 
three.? Once he's closer to Normal Levels you could play around a 
little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing anything in the 
protocol that you've been using...



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Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
better than a transfusion 

Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy

I am SO happy to hear that Curly had a very positive response to 
Mirtazapine albeit FAR in excess of anything I saw with my 
Yogi.  Nothing makes us happier here than to hear positive stories 
about FeLV kitties responding positively to treatment.. I feel happy 
for the Cats and even more so for the caretakers who are so obviously 
committed to their pets  a welcome relief from the stories I hear 
daily about people who won't do even the simplest things to assure the 
welfare of their charges..
Actually... being short on cash...I often feel quite badly seeing the 
kind of money people are spending on their cats and feeling a measure of 
conflict when I consider how many people really CAN'T afford to take a 
FeLV cat home.  You can't purchase insurance for them which means a 
LOT of cash outlay for Vet bills if you happen to have a Kitty that 
starts to get sick early on  The more expensive vet care gets the 
fewer can afford pets if the are of modest means.  This is bad for 
the many thousands of pets awaiting homes in shelters and PARTICULARLY 
bad for the adoption odds of FeLV and and FIV cats.

Please keep us up to date on Curlys' progress!!!


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Hi, I have a 7 month old kitten that I am considering starting the 
T-Cell injections for him. He is presenting with possible IBD right 
now or GI Lymphoma. I am wondering if anyone has had cat/kitten with 
similar symptoms and has used the Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator 
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Hi, I have a 7 month old kitten, Joe.had an eye enucleation in 
Sept. tested NEG-FELV. But.due to lethargy and the eye removal site 
not looking right.I took him to my REGULAR vet. He has now tested 
POSITIVE-FELV and is extremely anemic. He is eating well and drinking. 
Getting laser on eye surgical site, BUT I would love to to try the 
LTCI injections for him. Has anyone here tried them ?

Thanks, Patti
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Hi Debbie

I tried them for several months, and tested blood work weekly. I 
didn?t find the injections budged the low red 
cell/haematocrit/retic/platelet counts at all. However, I recall 
others in this group who have reported better results.


Are you new to the group? I don?t want to jump in with my experiences 
with Winstrol if you have heard it all before.


Amani

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Sent: January-19-17 3:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV

Hi,
I have a 7 month old kitten that I am considering starting the T-Cell 
injections for him.  

Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy...
You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( available 
in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are quite 
useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine powder if you 
spend a little extra time.  I have one devoted to only pet meds and 
I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is wasted ( eg... if 
I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll grind...then add food and 
then, perhaps, a little water or broth depending on which food I'm 
using... I'm sure you've discovered which foods are best to assure Curly 
will eat them with meds added ( My Guy will only take meds mixed in Baby 
food with some powdered Temptations treats added other days he won't 
consider it... so generally I mix the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two 
of Broth and administer with Syringe this assures that he gets the 
full dose and obviates worries about any sticking around in his 
esophagus... I very seldom pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush 
and it's either that or skip the dose  IF.. I pill him I always 
follow with a ML or two of water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that 
there is no residual to cause problems  BTW...  a HCT jump from 9 to 
15 in only a couple of weeks is WonderfulIf I were you I wouldn't 
change a thing simply because  you don't really know which of the 
components is " more " responsible for the results or if it's the 
synergy between all three.  Once he's closer to Normal Levels you 
could play around a little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing 
anything in the protocol that you've been using...



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Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.


With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would 
probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. 
Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the 
other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood 
work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust 
the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy 
theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my non-vet 
research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the effective 
package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? perhaps 
slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? enough to 
allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I don?t think 
that the Winstrol on its own is enough.


With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of 
butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since the 
quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently that 
the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the same as 
what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and that is 
sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A prescription 
isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can be mixed into 
food or liquid.


Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put 
on weight.


I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in 
the right direction.


Amani

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Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

It has been a little over a month ago 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cole

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Karen
So very sorry to hear about losing Cole  I don't know that anything 
could have been done that would have saved him but it is clear that you 
would certainly have done whatever was in your power.  I'm sure you know 
that not all animals get the kind of loving attention Cole got. 
However short his time was here he clearly was loved and cared about



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Yes - I mg 2x a day Winstrol and ? tablet of prednisone (5mg) 2x a 
day.


Try the meds for a few days and see what the response is like. If 
necessary, double the Winstrol for a week or two. But for now, give it 
a few days. When I thought about our exchange some more, I actually 
thought that maybe the early response you got was from the prednisone 
because the Winstrol takes a few more days to have an effect that is 
noticeable.


Amani

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Sent: August-18-16 9:25 PM
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Thanks Amani. Yes he is having me give the Winstrol 2mg in the morning 
and the Pred 5 mg in the evening.  Were you giving your cat 2 doses of 
the Winstrol?


Sherri

From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley >
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Date: Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 8:37 PM
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Sorry Sherri. You are right. It was 1 tablet (1/2 twice a day) but it 
was indeed 5 mg. I was thinking ONE tablet equals 1 mg in my tiny 
little brain.


That is the correct dose for Prednisone. But you mention only a single 
dose of the Winstrol. Is that 2 mg once per day?


Amani

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Amani, You mention that you had your cat on the Stanazolol and 
Prednisone simultaneously . Below you mention you had him on just 1mg 
of the Pred. My vet has Bogie at 5mg once a day. Does this seem in 
excess to you?


Sherri

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Date: Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 12:04 AM
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Karen

Don't listen about the steroids and the liver. Stanazolol brought my 
cat back from a red cell count of 10. If there is a problem with the 
liver, what is the downside here? If the Stanazolol doesn't work and 
the liver gets worse, there is probably little or anything else that 
will work. If the Stanazolol works, you will have another opportunity 
to deal with the liver down the road and I frankly think that once 
your cat starts eating again, this will be supportive for the liver as 
well.


Additionally, the Stanazolol should be given with 1 mg of Prednisone 
daily, which is also helpful to the liver.



Amani



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Sent: August-17-16 3:07 PM
To: felvtalk; felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9

How did you know there was enlarged lymth nodes? Bloodwoork or X-ray 
or exam? All I have is blood work listed here. Vet does not want to 
use steroids of any kind she said cause liver is already struggling 
per blood work and steroids can cause liver illness. I have tried AD 
and baby food-- he threw them up. So now I am using ID cause vet said 
easy to digest. I blend it and strain so it probably is nit the best 
calories with water added too but first two syringes today has stayed 
down. But night is when he looses any daytime gains so we will see. If 
I can't figure out soon if not already too late how to get more 
calories in him I am afraid he will pass point of no return. We have 
interferon ordered but taking forever to get here-- been a week. 
Thanks for all your quick kind support

Re: [Felvtalk] RNA effects of Doxy

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thanks Amani... this is very helpful and I will do my best to locate 
these references... preferably the full articles if they don't charge 
too much for them ( I no longer work in hospitals and don't have access 
to full medical databases ( for free)...


VERY interesting about the ebola virus and the eyes it does indeed 
appear that the virus established a foothold in Yogi's eyes   BUT... 
it was also via the eyes that I was able to introduce antiviral meds 
that my Veterinary opthalmologist was using off label.  Of course 
the target for these meds was the Herpes Virusbut it too ,is,  a 
retro Virus and these meds "might" have had some effect on the FeLV 
virus as well
had I used them for a longer time ( though I would have had to have sold 
my house to do so : )
You can find ALL sorts of aid for these Anti Virals if you are using 
them for HIV or Herpes 1 or 2 but they are hard to locate at discount 
for Veterinary Use.  I really am VERY concerned at the price of Vet 
services as I feel they will ultimately reduce the number of pet 
owners.  I was able to easily afford to keep 4 cats on a rather low 
Social Worker income back in the 80's but keeping one ill FeLV in 2017 
can easily add 400.00 a month to ones expenses  Many people who 
might formerly have adopted multiple cats will now only take in one or  
two.  All the more reason for forums like ours as it is up to us to 
share our knowledge and experiences to help each other avoid total 
reliance on a veterinary system that is not always working to preserve 
our FeLV cats lives.    




Hi Bob

I am unable to attach the literature regarding the ability of 
Doxycycline to interfere with RNA replication and/or interfere with 
viral infection, but here are a few titles to look up on the Internet:


- Antiviral activity of doxycycline against vesicular stomatitis virus 
in vitro - FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2015


- Control of small inhibitory RNA levels and RNA interference by 
doxycycline induced activation of a minimal RNA polymerase III 
promoter - 2006 Nucleic Acids Res. 34


- Inhibitory effect of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in 
vitro - October 2013 Archives of Virology 159(4)
- Study of the antiviral activity of some derivatives of tetracycline 
and non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs towards dengue virus - August 
2013 Tropical Biomedicine 30(4):1-10   (BY THE WAY - DOXYCYCLINE IS A 
TETRACYCLINE)


- A study of the clinical activity of a gel combining monocaprin and 
doxycycline: a novel treatment for herpes labialis. (2012) J Oral Path 
Med 41:61-67




The following paper was interesting in that it explored the role of 
Doxycycline in inhibiting tumour cell proliferation, angiogenesis, 
metastasis and migration of cancerous cells (including leukemic cells) 
from the bone marrow:


- Doxycycline inhibits leukemic cell migration via inhibition of 
matrix metalloproteinases and phosphorylation of focal adhesion kinase 
- published Molecular Medicine Reports, September 2015 Vol. 12, Issue 
3.



Amani

P.S. - By the way, Bob. The other thing that was featured in that show 
last night about the fight against Ebola, is that the same doctor who 
contracted it and was declared symptom-free, later began to develop 
eye problems and when they examined his eye, they found millions of 
the Ebola viruses in the eye. The programme explained that the eye was 
an area of reduced immunity in the body, and thus, the virus had found 
a breeding ground where it remained, though it had been cleared from 
the rest of the body. They therefore began treating the doctor's eye, 
and the treatment was ultimately successful. It brought to mind the 
problems Yogi had had with his eyes, and I wondered if the answer was 
similar - that the virus had had a toe-hold there.



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Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: March-01-17 5:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

Amani...

If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses 
of other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial 
infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever 
non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection 
necessarily)...? So little research money appears to be devoted to 
FeLV that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the 
continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this 
day and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much 
loved
pets) alter this course.??? I STILL bristle when I think of the closed 
minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that 
businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now 
that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health 
Systems").. hol

Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal Ca

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Whatever you are most comfortable Katherine is the choice you should 
make... I have NO idea how uncomfortable it would be for your guy to 
remain alive throughout the process...    I'm a bad judge of such things 
as I am WAY over the top in my inability to watch an animal fail   
When my last little guy was failing I had to Willfully stop from putting 
him down becuse _ I_ couldn't stand the pain of what was eventually 
coming  If he is able to live without apparent discomfort and life 
does not appear a burden to him then by all means... go with 
palliative..   I know too little about cancer treatment for cats to 
advise in another other direction


Bob


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My sweet, dear 14 yo FeLV boy Krammer was just diagnosed with 
aggressive
nasal carcinoma. For the last 2 months, he has had a chronic 
nosebleed. It

started out small around Christmas, and since then his symptoms have
included daily sneezing fits, bloody nasal discharge from one side of 
his

nose, and the recent appearance of a small pink mass in one of
his nostrils which we thought was simply a polyp. We biopsied it last 
week,
and the results were not good. His mitotic indexes were high, with 
8-10 of

them being in the 10 fields.

Needless to say I'm devastated. It's hard to take, even when I've 
spent the
last 3 years half expecting something terrible every time we go to the 
vet.
:'( I'm talking to the vet later today for more information. My guess 
is
we'll opt for palliative care rather than radiation or chemotherapy, 
due to
his age, side effects, the rate of recurrence and my available 
finances,

but if anyone has suggestions, I'm happy to hear them out.

Katherine
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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Molly...

I will leave it to Amani to counsel re: protocol...  but the short 
answer re: Doxy and pred is No... not the usual course of Treatment...


Of primary importance ( and this cannot be overstated) is to have your 
vet onboard with you and to have he financial means to implement the 
treatment without having to cut corners.  I'll never know if I could 
have saved MY little guy had I had a cooperative vet and sufficient 
funds to secure everything I needed in a timely fashion.   I'm 
hesitant even to get another FeLV cat to be company for my still very 
active other FeLV buddy because I will have to Foster this time and the 
shelter is not on board either with Amani's protocol ( which means I 
would have to stand helplessly by and watch another cat fade unless I 
spent money I don't have going against their wishes..   Difficult 
decisions.    You'll never know if the regimen can help if you wait too 
long to implement it.  I've been on this list long enough now to see 
a few cats helped quite a bit by the Win/Doxy/Pred combination and think 
it would make more sense to try
THAT first rather than wasting time with the other treatments that 
appear to have a less impressive effect...


Again my opinion...   and not an expert one

You write as someone who has some medical experience or at least a grasp 
of medical protocols.. so I imagine you can make an informed 
decision.   Hopeful that Win/Doxy/Pred can stop things FROM 
happening in instances that the worst has not yet begun


Hoping for the best...

Bob


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 Thank you all for the information for my Mia kitty. I have a few more 
questions for Amani concerning Zander's Protocol: doxycycline -?Should 
a calculated dose be used?based on weight of animal for this or is 
the?dose that you give apply to all cats. Mia is a?small girl -?weighs 
7 lbs. Also, how long should she be taking the meds. Is it the normal 
7-10 days to 2 weeks antibiotic?regimen or longer?Prednisolone - I 
assume this is the normal protocol for this drug - a loading dose with 
tapering doses.winstrol - looks like this is taken until the 
hematocrit reaches?near normal range. Then, should this be continued 
to maintain a normal level forever?
Thank you all again. I am grateful for your intelligent feedback and 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Prevention....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

This discussion raises a question that I have wondered about for a 
while my cats do not go outside but do go out on an upstairs porch 
for a few minutes from time to time ( they love to sit in the sun)  
They are not exposed directly to any other animals but I suppose that it 
is possible that other animals that have fleas and might have passed 
over the porch might have left eggs or an errant flea or 3  I don't 
like the idea of using chemicals with these Kitties unless it's for 
something that they absolutely need   I spray them from time to time 
with " natural " Flea repellant ( containing the usual herbs and spices 
claimed to be insect repellant...which don't work all that well on me 
but I like to think it's helping them at least a little bit : )
Is it wise to use anything proactively that is a bit stronger. it is 
generally a lot easier to prevent infestation than to get rid of it once 
it's taken hold.  Again... I have no reason to expect that it WILL 
happen but I am a frequent shelter volunteer and there is no telling 
what I might bring into the house by accident...
BTW...  for Karen    PLEASE do your best to rest more easy about 
your other Kitties from what you write you don't have any immediate 
life threatening emergency that precludes your morning cole



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I stopped usiong any flea drops, collars when one of my cats began 
loosing hair around the sit of applicatio.  They all had physical 
adverse signs so I stopped using them.  I now have lemon grass and 
catnip which repels fleas and ticks and have not had a problem for the 
last 5 years.


 Amani Oakley  wrote:

Hi Karen

While I don?t have any reason to believe there is a link between use 
of the Frontline Flea treatment and Cole?s problems, it is probably 
wise to be cautious with a medication which is absorbed internally 
and probably processed through the liver, etc. Just hypothetically, 
it might be possible that cats with FeLV which is in abeyance (their 
body has managed to hold off on the worst of the problems) may have 
the balance tipped to the negative by something that might stress 
their body and which might, in other cats, not cause a problem.


However, I definitely agree you MUST control the fleas for Ash. As 
you know, one of the worst effects of the FeLV virus is to cause an 
anemia, and a flea infestation will no doubt hasten or worsen that 
problem. Fleas also often pass on the Bartonella parasite, which 
infects and destroys red cells in the host animal and causes other 
problems. If Ash is doing okay, you don?t want to tip that scale.


I recently picked up 3 stray kittens who had fleas. They were very 
small (3-4 weeks old) so I didn?t trust any of the absorbed 
treatments since I figured their little livers may well be damaged by 
such early exposure. I therefore purchased a flea spray which was 
supposed to remain on them, but again, I didn?t want to do that. I 
didn?t want that type of exposure. I simply bathed them, sprayed them 
with the flea spray, killed the fleas by hand as they leapt off into 
the sink, and combed out the rest, and then I washed the kittens 
completely off with organic shampoo. Despite washing them off, I 
found a few remaining fleas for the next day or so but they were all 
dead or dying. When I go home tonight, I will get the name of the 
product for you, but I suspect you can do this with any of the spray 
on flea products.


One thing I did years ago when we got a very bad flea infestation 
(thanks to a woman who insisted the cats I was taking from her to 
adopt out were defleaed already!), was that once I washed each cat, I 
had previously made arrangements for friends to take one of them for 
a few weeks. My husband and I were doing some heavy duty fostering at 

Re: [Felvtalk] Spelling...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Don't know if any of you are as fanatical about spelling as I am but I 
am embarrassed to have written " morning" rather than _ mourning_   
while referencing Karens kitties.   
I remain sorry for your loss of Cole Karen and hope you can calm a bit 
about your other guys as Kitties , too, pick up on emotional states  
Doesn't sound as though you need to be frantic about saving Ash's life 
from what you report so far. He's eating,playing,peeing and pooping 
( EP3 as I call it : ) always a good sign.


Bob ( Warwick)


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This discussion raises a question that I have wondered about for a 
while my cats do not go outside but do go out on an upstairs porch 
for a few minutes from time to time ( they love to sit in the 
sun)? They are not exposed directly to any other animals but I 
suppose that it is possible that other animals that have fleas and 
might have passed over the porch might have left eggs or an errant 
flea or 3? I don't like the idea of using?chemicals with these 
Kitties unless it's for something that they absolutely need?? I 
spray them from time to time with " natural " Flea repellant ( 
containing the usual herbs and spices claimed to be insect 
repellant...which don't work all that well on me but I like to think 
it's helping them at least a little bit : )
Is it wise to use anything proactively that is a bit stronger. it 
is generally a lot easier to prevent infestation than to get rid of it 
once it's taken hold.? Again... I have no reason to expect that it 
WILL happen but I am a frequent shelter volunteer and there is no 
telling what I might bring into the house by accident...
BTW...? for Karen??? PLEASE do your best to rest more easy about 
your other Kitties from what you write you don't have any 
immediate life threatening emergency that precludes your morning cole



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I stopped usiong any flea drops, collars when one of my cats began 
loosing hair around the sit of applicatio.  They all had physical 
adverse signs so I stopped using them.  I now have lemon grass and 
catnip which repels fleas and ticks and have not had a problem for 
the last 5 years.


 Amani Oakley  wrote:

Hi Karen

While I don?t have any reason to believe there is a link between use 
of the Frontline Flea treatment and Cole?s problems, it is probably 
wise to be cautious with a medication which is absorbed internally 
and probably processed through the liver, etc. Just hypothetically, 
it might be possible that cats with FeLV which is in abeyance (their 
body has managed to hold off on the worst of the problems) may have 
the balance tipped to the

Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy ( 
Yogi) through  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something 
causing him pain at least 5 of them..   I put him on high doses of 
ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( 
bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would likely 
have to be given chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a huge 
corneal abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)...   
Now I've got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three 
times a day in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing. This on top 
of his continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and still with 
some blood in the stool.   The BIG problem in the moment is that I 
really can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to 
do this to him. but.when I tried to back off them before his 
Uveitis returned. There is a good chance it will return 
again. Has anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for 
a cats eye inflammation that is not a corticosteroid??   I'll be 
frank   this little guy is using up every single dime and then some 
of my retirement " disposable" income and I simply won't be able to 
afford him pretty soon if I don't figure something out. beyond 
that... it is just too sad seeing him constantly suffering with one 
malady after another   Winstrol is not going to happen unless I go 
from Vet to Vet and hope I can find one that will work with me but  
I honestly don't hold out a lot of hope for this guy He started 
getting sick very young and it's not gotten any better.  My other 
guy is holding his own and I haven't had him to the vet more than once 
for an upper respiratory infection.   I'm not just going to wait for 
the little guy to pass.  I'm thinking that if the Uveitis returns 
and there is nothing that will control it besides corticosteroids I'm 
going to let him go. He's just always hurting Hasn't been able 
to be a kitten for more than a few weeks since I brought him home   
Add to this that my quality of life is pretty crappy at this point as I 
can take very little time away from home   I'd spend thousands that 
I don't have if I had any assurance that it would make a difference but 
not just to keep him " functional" until he fades away while his life 
becomes enduring constant medication... being nearly blind sleeping 
and eating and avoiding the advances of his house mate who still wants 
to play His " better" eye does not appear to be very functional 
which leaves him at risk if the other guy decides to jump him.   I 
sometimes separate them when I am out of the house but it appears that 
he prefers being out in the entire house even with the risk of the other 
guy Figure for the time he has I'll let him do as he prefers as long 
as it's not too dangerous..
But back to the original question. any thought or experiences with 
anti Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are not 
Corticosteroids...


thanks for any thoughts..
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listen to Amani!! Sandy W - Original Message -

From: "Margo"  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 
25, 2016 6:58:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining





I never had expected the Interferon to cause red cell or hematocrit 
changes. Where can I find information about that?



Thanks,


Margo




-Original Message- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 25, 2016 12:25 
AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor 
Declining



Elizabeth


My experience was that the interferon did absolutely nothing for my 
Zander. I checked his blood work weekly to track what was happening, 
and even though I left him on it for several months (with blood 
transfusions, to ensure there was a chance for it to work), there was 
no effect at all on the red blood cells or haematocrit.



Do not 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 30

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

iments-preferably for kittens, even if the cat is an
adult. Try also feeding him kitten food and milk, since these have 
more
calories and nutriens than adult food-this might help him gain 
weight.
Also, incorporate more canned food, and water comsumeption. This 
increase

feedings. Hopefully, this might help him gain weight and heal
better/sooner. Good luck. And if you have faith, pray, pray for your 
little

fighter! Stay strong. Have hope. ?

On Sep 25, 2016 12:06 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:



I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
Yogi) through  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had 
something
causing him pain at least 5 of them..   I put him on high doses 
of
ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe 
Uveitis(
bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would 
likely have
to be given chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a huge 
corneal
abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)...   Now 
I've
got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three times 
a day

in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing. This on top of his
continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and still with 
some
blood in the stool.   The BIG problem in the moment is that I 
really
can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to do 
this to

him. but.when I tried to back off them before his Uveitis
returned. There is a good chance it will return again. 
Has

anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye
inflammation that is not a corticosteroid??   I'll be frank 
this
little guy is using up every single dime and then some of my 
retirement "
disposable" income and I simply won't be able to afford him pretty 
soon if
I don't figure something out. beyond that... it is just too sad 
seeing
him constantly suffering with one malady after another 
Winstrol is
not going to happen unless I go from Vet to Vet and hope I can find 
one
that will work with me but  I honestly don't hold out a lot of 
hope for
this guy He started getting sick very young and it's not gotten 
any
better.  My other guy is holding his own and I haven't had him 
to the
vet more than once for an upper respiratory infection.   I'm not 
just
going to wait for the little guy to pass.  I'm thinking that if 
the

Uveitis returns and there is nothing that will control it besides
corticosteroids I'm going to let him go. He's just always 
hurting
Hasn't been able to be a kitten for more than a few weeks since I 
brought
him home   Add to this that my quality of life is pretty crappy 
at this

point as I can take very little time away from home   I'd spend
thousands that I don't have if I had any assurance that it would 
make a
difference but not just to keep him " functional" until he fades 
away while
his life becomes enduring constant medication... being nearly 
blind
sleeping and eating and avoiding the advances of his house mate who 
still
wants to play His " better" eye does not appear to be very 
functional
which leaves him at risk if the other guy decides to jump him. 
I
sometimes separate them when I am out of the house but it appears 
that he
prefers being out in the entire house even with the risk of the 
other
guy Figure for the time he has I'll let him do as he prefers as 
long as

it's not too dangerous..
But back to the original question. any thought or experiences 
with

anti Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are not
Corticosteroids...

thanks for any thoughts..
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listen to Amani!! Sandy W - Original Message -

From: "Margo"  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, 
September

25, 2016 6:58:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining




I never had expected the Interferon to cause red cell or hematocrit
changes. Wher

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 33

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani

My little guy does not yet have a return of the Uveitis... problem at 
the moment is his corneal abrasion...
He is already on buprenorphine( it comes preloaded in small syringes to 
apply to his gums)... but my fear is that the Uveitis will return..   I 
don't want to remove both his eyes ( he had Uveitis bi-laterally) his 
one remaining good eye is not very good as it is The Vet was quite 
emphatic that she didn't think the guy would make it through a major 
operation I am getting SO DAMN SICK of there being no best practices 
among vets. 5 vets five damn different opinions and can NOT afford 
to keep shopping around HonestlyI expected ( and was led to 
believe by the shelter folks and my reading ..that the more typical 
course for FeLV is perhaps a "few" more trips to the vet than the usual 
cat but generally a life of 2-3 years and then a rather quick downhill 
demise...   I specifically took cats with limited lifespans due to 
health problems of my own that promised that I would be gone in about 5 
years
BTW..  I've used contact lens solution for several months having taken 
that suggestion from you in a previous post when he first developed his 
Uveitis. I had it under control for about 4 months before this 
happened   I'll do some asking around elsewhere about the risks and 
benefits of removing his eye...  if he didn't have it in the other eye 
as well I'd be far more inclined to do this but, honestly, I'm just not 
prepared to put myself or my little guy through a life of having BOTH 
eyes taken out with no reasonable promise that he won't develop still 
other problematic conditions within days.. Bottom line... I won't do 
to him what I wouldn't do to or for myself.  That said... I always 
appreciate your suggestions and generally take them...


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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:47:06 +
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Robert

I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would 
be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain 
will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who 
also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing 
that worked, and the eye was really bad.


In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to 
help with pain and controlling infection:


1.	Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and 
has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2.	Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once 
before discarding it.


Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will 
help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a 
compounding pharmacy.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: September-25-16 3:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone


I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
Yogi) through? I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something 
causing him pain at least 5 of them..?? I put him on high doses of 
ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( 
bilateral but worse in the right eye)?and the Vet said it would likely 
have to be given chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a huge 
corneal abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)... 
Now I've got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three 
times a day in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing. This on 
top of his continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and 
still with some blood in the stool.?? The BIG problem in the 
moment is that I really can't put him back on topical corticosteroids 
if it is going to do this 

Re: [Felvtalk] Shaken Cat???

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Roxanne...

I am very sorry to hear of your loss  but please remember that you 
did what so few others would have done cared for and loved a FeLV 
cat and provided a home where she could be comfortable during her days 
rather that living an uncertain life outdoors or in a shelter. I am 
a little confused as to why you might have thought that your friend had 
dropped or shaken Neveah  is there reason to think so??    Given the 
symptoms you describe she does as though she experienced some form of a 
serious neurovascular event... ( CVA)   I am continually bothered at the 
number of things that can go wrong with FeLV cats. it can affect ANY 
bodily system none are immune to it's reach  my one boy has GI 
trouble, Severe Vision Problems, Hair Loss and is also losing weight 
quickly despite having a very good appetite... I am worried that I might 
lose him or need to put him down as his behavior has changed a lot over 
the past couple of days( hiding...not sleeping with me) to many 
things to mention  Point is.. you've done a fine thing in 
providing homes to FeLV cats. There aren't many who would do this 
and ,often, despite our best efforts, they can't be saved. I hope 
you feel better soon...

 
 
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:53:48 +
From: Amani Oakley To: Roxanne Smith ,
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ??
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Roxanne

First, I am so very sorry for your loss. It never, ever gets any 
easier, but you must know how much you did for your baby.


Your question is not a stupid one. What you are asking about could 
theoretically be possible. A cat?s brain is no different than a baby?s 
brain, and if you shake a cat hard, you could possibly cause the cat?s 
brain to herniate (swell and ultimately push down into the hole at the 
base of the skull). However, from what you describe, the more likely 
answer is something akin to a stroke, which is the result of a clot 
lodging in the brain and/or a haemorrhagic stroke where blood vessels 
burst in the brain, blocking an area from receiving blood flow. Just 
like in people, strokes can happen in many conditions, particularly in 
debilitated patients.


I think that is the likely answer here Roxanne, so there is no reason 
to suspect your babysitter did something wrong.


Again, my heart goes out to you for your loss of Neveah.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Roxanne Smith

Sent: September-27-16 2:26 AM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ??

It has been awhile since I have looked at my emails and or 
participated in this group-but I am desperate for some help and 
answers, of which I am not even sure I explain all in an email.
Here goes, another one of my feline leuk cats died yesterday (Monday) 
AM.
She dropped to 6.4 pounds, lost a pound in one month-has not really 
been eating for days, keeping to herself, hiding, but would sit by me. 
The last two or three days she would no longer sleep with me.
I went to Florida a couple of weeks ago, had a babysitter come in 
daily to check on her-and she appeared to be doing well but starting 
going downhill, Neveah--cat lost about one pound in a month time 
period.
So this is where I really need help-and please pass on to see 
additional answers. I have noticed only a few people ever answer or 
respond to emails but I can say much as I never do. :.(
So I took Neveah to the ER Monday AM, as her temp dropped to 98.5, she 
could not move, and her rt eye was dilated and would not go back to 
normal and left eye appeared to be fine. Sunday my friend was in the 
room with her for hours and noticed the cat Neveah was acting/walking 
not correctly. Is anyone every heard of shaken cat syndrome-is it 
possible my friend dropped Neveah, or shook her in the room and caused 
her to have a blood clot-yes I am grasping here.
As with everyone I feel bad, should I have been more aggressive in 
giving her sub q fluids, obviously too late now, she is gone.
I have requested her latest blood panel for my records, but I know her 
kidney 

Re: [Felvtalk] Realities of Pet Litigation and Yogi update....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani..

I'm sorry I brought the topic up both for not realizing that it 
could spur many " offshoot" conversations and the apparent reality that 
pets lives are not considered important enough to punish those who do 
not pay sufficient attention to their care ( likewise the the penalties 
for animal abuse or the " necessary" killing of an aggressive dog ( we 
can get sent to jail for being TOO mean to someone whose intention it is 
to Rob us but apparently there is no such thing as " excessive " force 
if you don't know how to handle an angry dog often times one that 
YOU angered... it's very disheartening I guess I imagined with 
the uptick in fondness for all things " pet " and the addition of laws 
addressing abuse and neglect that these issues were being taken more 
seriously in the court..   but  We all know that getting ones 
money back from the interior decorator who put up the wrong color 
curtains trumps having your beloved pet killed by a neighbor who "says" 
it was threatening his out of control obnoxious 3 year old who kept 
throwing apples at it ( I am assuming all pet related incidents end 
up ( if at all) in Civil Court, or small Claims??. and PLEASE... no 
need to respond. just venting my spleen upon learning that we have 
not come as far as I had hoped
***  Was going to have Yogi's Right eye removed today but over the 
past couple of days his mood has brightened and there " seems " to be a 
bit of resolution in the clarity of the lens and surrounding 
Hyperemia.. His appetite is fabulous and he is more energetic..  As 
my decision was based on his discomfort weighted against the very real 
risk that he would not make it through the surgery I decided to postpose 
the surgery until such time as I feel that his suffering would warrant 
an operation that could be equivalent to " putting him down" He's 
such a ratty little thing and really looks the part of a Leuky cat but 
he's MY boy and I love having him around


Bob


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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 19:46:14 +
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You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he 
thought his client might blame him later for things going wrong. But 
again, that presumes that a whole lot of people seriously 
misunderstand the realities of litigation and have bought the 
insurance companies' spin that there are all these crazy people who 
will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably true.


Amani


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Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10


Funny, my thought was that a Vet would be LESS likely to try anything 
even slightly out of the norm with a potentially litigious client. 
That they would go strictly "by the book" in order to be able to 
defend what they did, should here be a problem.


But then, there are Vets and there are VETS. "My" Vet has her last day 
at the practice Friday for maternity leave, and won't be back until 
January. I have no idea what I'll do. She says she'll be available by 
phone and email, but I have my doubts. Although I DO think she'll be 
bored ;)


Margo

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From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Oct 4, 2016 9:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

Amani...
I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a 
lawyer I would get more cooperation from my vet? As Vets begin to 
charge more and more and?large corporations begin to?buy up small 
practices here in the states the model is now?moving toward the 
downside of human medicine discrete scheduling time periods to 
maximize profits...
little

Re: [Felvtalk] Double Posted Blank Message...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Margo:

It is often frustrating posting here because ( perhaps depending on the 
internet provider, or the type of computer or OS someone is using) a lot 
of messages post differently ( eg ALL of mine come across with a 
bunch of Question marks in them that I did not put there myself   
NOW my subject lines are double posting AND ( with my most recent 
question) it appears at the very bottom of the long list of postings and 
Unconnected to the subect lines ( go to the VERY bottom of the postings 
and it will look as though I am responding to Amani but actually that is 
just Amani's sign off on the previous post. Sorry
I was soliciting information on people's experiences with having eyes 
removed from their ill cats. I am paining over whether to do this as 
my boy looks like he " might" be improving a bit but he has " surprised 
me many times before looking like he's improving only to go south the 
next day.   I'm getting a price I can afford on the operation as a 
bit of a favor and am loathe to lose the price should she decide 
otherwise if I put it off to a later date..  wondering also ( given 
that the price is hundreds less than other quotes) if perhaps there are 
" lesser" operations where they , perhaps, only remove part of the eye 
without the underlying musculature for eg) 

Bob
Warwick, NY
 
 
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:57:29 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued 
Improvement for Bogey on

Stanzolol
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Well I live in Osseo, Wisconsin ? and the Osseo Vet Clinic 
prescribed it for me. They did not have a source for it, but I 
located one online for them, and the vet who is no longer there, 
would fill in a form online and order it, then I paid for it with a 
credit card and it shipped to my house with one refill. After that 
refill, the vet had to request it online again. The compounding 
pharmacy I found online was wonderful ? they are called Diamond Back 
Drugs. I believe it is www.diamondbackdrugs.com   and they are 
physically located in Arizona.



The Animal Wellness Center in Mondovi, Wisconsin SAID they would get 
it for me, only after I begged for it for weeks, but then they never 
quite got around to finding a source for it, and when I gave them 
the name of the Diamond Back Drug Company, they never quite got 
around to ordering it. So I changed to the Osseo Vet Clinic.



I do believe the other vets at the Osseo Vet Clinic would prescribe 
it for me because they were all aware Tigger was ?using? :) and they 
knew that he made fantastic progress while on it. I just didn?t get 
him started on it earlier enough and I did not know 

Re: [Felvtalk] Removing an Eye....

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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:57:29 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued 
Improvement for Bogey on

Stanzolol
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Well I live in Osseo, Wisconsin ? and the Osseo Vet Clinic prescribed 
it for me. They did not have a source for it, but I located one online 
for them, and the vet who is no longer there, would fill in a form 
online and order it, then I paid for it with a credit card and it 
shipped to my house with one refill. After that refill, the vet had to 
request it online again. The compounding pharmacy I found online was 
wonderful ? they are called Diamond Back Drugs. I believe it is 
www.diamondbackdrugs.com   and they are physically located in Arizona.



The Animal Wellness Center in Mondovi, Wisconsin SAID they would get 
it for me, only after I begged for it for weeks, but then they never 
quite got around to finding a source for it, and when I gave them the 
name of the Diamond Back Drug Company, they never quite got around to 
ordering it. So I changed to the Osseo Vet Clinic.



I do believe the other vets at the Osseo Vet Clinic would prescribe it 
for me because they were all aware Tigger was ?using? :) and they knew 
that he made fantastic progress while on it. I just didn?t get him 
started on it earlier enough and I did not know to give him 
Doxycycline until it was too late. I think I would demand Doxycycline 
for him if I had it to do over again because I believe Amani is 
probably the most knowledgeable about this dreadful disease that the 
vets have no answer for other than euthanization.



That?s my 2 cents worth.

Ardy



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Amy Glunt

Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 9:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on 
Stanzolol



I think it would be really great if we could all compile a list of 
vets that prescribe the stanzolol, perhaps by state. That would be a 
really great resource for people who are looking for this information. 
I'm calling around my city tomorrow to see if I can find any vets who 
will prescribe it for my cat.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 1, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Sherri Godschalk  > wrote:

Had to shorten this?hope it doesn?t post twice as it went to the 
moderator because of size.



Good to know about the liver test. I will NOT mention it to my vet.

Since this whole process has started for Bogey and I, I often wonder 
what logic is used when saying that the side affects from taking the 
Stanzolol are liver issues, but the side effect of not taking it, is 
death. I know for me personally, if I was sick and facing this 
decision, I know what I would do without question. Believe it or not, 
I read that exact paper you are describing when Bogey was first 
prescribed the Stanzolol. (Google search) I felt pretty defeated 
(although many of the terms were over my head) after reading it. I did 
not notice the dosages though. Doesn?t sound like a very scientific 
study does it. Maybe we should start our own. Post the names of vets 
who are willing to prescribe it as well as the results each person has 
with their pet that is taking it. There again, I am way out in front 
of myself here because Bogey is not thriving but she did just run into 
the room with a Q-tip in her mouth (her favorite toy) and 60 days ago 
she could barely walk into the r
 oom without laying down. She has also steadily gained weight. Over a 
pound which doesn?t sound like much but she barely weighed 5 pounds to 
begin with. Life is still happening here.



It does seem like there is secrecy surrounding vets prescribing 
Stanzolol. Almost like I am scoring some heroin or something. (no I am 
not a drug user) From what you found with your other cat, clearly this 
could be a positive choice for inoperable tumors, and or life 
extending treatment for senior pets. At any rate, I feel luckier each 
day that my current vet values the life of my cat enough to try 

Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Liz
To reiterate all that others have said  We take on those that others 
often will not adopt ( or keep alive those that others might be inclined 
to put down)  it tears at our hearts but, perhaps, less so than thinking 
how terrible it is for a cat to simply be regarded as " damaged goods" 
and not ever BEING given at chance at life. My little guy with all 
the problems ( yogi) would have lived and died in a 3X2 ft cage never 
knowing companionship or what it was like to chase a rolled up piece of 
tin foil over slippery linoleum...neither of which he had ever 
seen.  nor the outside world, nor furniture or simply being held and 
kissed  I don't know that it actually matters IN the mind of a 
cat  but I like to at least "think" it does... but I know it matters 
to me that I give  my boys a chance to know another world besides the 
shelter for however short a time.  You provided little hodor 
something she never would have known without you.   I empathize with 
your loss and thank you for giving love to a little creature that might 
otherwise have never known it...


Bob

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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 10:03:53 -0700
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We lost Hodor yesterday. It was extremely hard. He stopped eating and
drinking. The vet had a hard time finding a vein for the catheter 
because

of his anemia. It was so sad. Thank you all for your kind words and
support. I wish that the vets could have done more to help him. FeLV 
sucks.


Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Liz, I am so very very sorry. My heart aches for you. At least you 
know how much you did for Hodor, and he knew how adored he was. So few 
cats get to be so happy and cherished, even for a short time.


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Liz McCarty

Sent: October-08-16 1:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost Hodor


We lost Hodor yesterday. It was extremely hard. He stopped eating and 
drinking. The vet had a hard time finding a vein for the catheter 
because of his anemia. It was so sad. Thank you all for your kind 
words and support. I wish that the vets could have done more to help 
him. FeLV sucks.


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Hello ! Can anyone tell me if Inteferon is available? My vet doesnt 
carry

it due to expense.
Thank you so much!
Tina

On Oct 8, 2016 2:11 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:

Liz, I am so very very sorry. My heart aches for you. At least you 
know
how much you did for Hodor, and he knew how adored he was. So few 
cats get

to be so happy and cherished, even for a short time.



Amani



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Behalf

Of *Liz McCarty
*Sent:* October-08-16 1:04 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Lost Hodor



We lost Hodor yesterday. It was extremely hard. He stopped eating and
drinking. The vet had a hard time finding a vein for the catheter 
because

of his anemia. It was so sad. Thank you all for your kind words and
support. I wish that the vets could have done more to help him. FeLV 
sucks.


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Amani...
I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a lawyer I 
would get more cooperation from my vet  As Vets begin to charge more 
and more and large corporations begin to buy up small practices here in 
the states the model is now moving toward the downside of human 
medicine discrete scheduling time periods to maximize profits...  
little time to " discuss" options and an aversion to moving on to topics 
that could cause spending extra time.  As prices rise so do  owner 
resentments at not being " cared about" or listened to just as in human 
medicine. and that( at least in the US) is when lawsuits are most 
likely to be filed Most of us can forgive a vet making a mistake 
when we feel he/she has put real thought and concern into a Tx plan but 
putting our pets at risk because an alteration in plan causes him to 
have to step outside his comfort zone( and spend some extra time 
thinking) or simply doesn't appear to care.. That doesn't fly when we 
are paying Hundreds of dollars to save our precious pets..
Malpractice lawyer pet owners ( or patients in human medicine) are 
likely surreptitiously treated with great care when moving through 
waters fraught with potential for terminal errors. and likely get a 
bit more cooperation from their vets...   I am glad for your cats that 
you ARE in the profession that you now are...
So... it is , in my opinion, both good fortune and a dose of deferential 
caution that gets you the kind of cooperation you get from your 
vet   Yeah I'm pretty jaded at this point  : )   That is why I 
HAD to retire a bit early


 
 
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:28:16 +
From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] FW:  Continued Improvement for Bogey on

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Either I had a brain fart or my computer did an automatic spelling 
correction. Sorry about that Ardy.


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Amani Oakley

Sent: October-04-16 2:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on 
Stanzolol


Argue, I wholeheartedly agree with your observation and that is 
exactly what I find bizarre about this. Vets will not question us if 
we want to put our cats down, but they will treat us like criminals, 
trafficking in some sort of forbidden commodity, if we want to try 
different things in a desperate situation.


The other night, I was watching "Awakenings" again with Robin 
Williams, and I contemplated the thought that what the real-life 
neurologist did (on whom the movie was based) would be frowned upon by 
the vets many of us have encountered. He basically experimented on 
people who were in encephalophathic comas from sleeping sickness, and 
tried a new drug out on them, on many many times the dose that had 
been used in Parkinson's patients (L-Dopa). Unfortunately, the body 
builds up an immunity to the drug, so the people eventually succumbed 
and slipped back into comas, but my training an my logic is consistent 
with that. If you are treating a patient with much to lose, you 
obviously need to be cognizant of things like significant side 
effects. However, if a patient is doing very poorly or even facing 
certain death, then trying anything which might be helpful, is not 
unethical.


This is why, when I was faced with high liver enzymes when I had put 
Zander on the Winstrol, I refused to discontinue the Winstrol. My 
reasoning was, to what end would I discontinue the Winstrol? If I 
stopped, he would die. If I didn't stop, then yes, there was a chance 
of liver damage, and I would have to deal with that when the current, 
most urgent crisis (low red cells, lack of appetite, etc.) was brought 
under control. If he didn't make it through the treatment with the 
WInstrol, then I wouldn't have to deal with the liver damage. If he 
did, I would deal with the liver damage next.


I don't understand vets refusing to use Winstrol when there are little 
or no other options. I don't understand vets who won't try something 
like Doxycycline, when, usually 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 11

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...
I deal with the difficulty of following threats simply by making sure 
that I scroll through EVERY message in the mailing incredible amount 
of redundancy, yes, but I'm getting good at recognizing early that which 
I have read before
With respect to your last suggestion I agree...and that is what I 
plan to do ...  Oddly...hours after I made the appt for surgery I came 
back to see Yogi's eye looking clearer and him on the couch rather than 
under a chair I am going to take him tomorrow to the "regular" vet 
who is clearly bothered that I am not willing to spend an additional 
400.00 dollars on a Veterinary Opthalmological consult when had she been 
willing to prescribe Winstrol and Doxy early on I might not be IN this 
position right now ( or, notadmittedly) I am sorry to sound so 
penurious... but, in actuality, I would GLADLY spend money I don't 
currently have if I had a reasonable guarantee of success I am VERY 
opposed to spending just for THEM to cover all the bases of their own 
lack of expertise in our new "specialized" veterinary world.  I've 
watched many patients over the time of my career spend until they had 
nothing left for specialists who had no problem charging them thousands 
to offer little beyond what they already knew. Again were Yogi 
not FeLV I would be more inclined to throw money at the problems but 
with his situation there are NEVER any guarantees EVERY body system 
can go south in FeLV Kitties and in very short order... the 400.00 I 
spend to see a specialist is money that could buy him a fair amount of 
needed meds or pay for his eye surgery ( the discounted rate I 
mentioned)  I will NOT have him living in pain that is the only 
non negotiable... Yesterday he appeared still to be in pain and I had no 
reason to be particularly hopeful after seeing no improvement in two 
weeks. Now ( though it could be a temporary red herring) I see some 
movement.  Fingers crossed.

 
 
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 16:15:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Margo To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Hi Bob,

I usually have no trouble with your messages, although they do 
always appear twice. Guess I didn't go far enough, sorry :)


I have had enucleations done on two cats. I don't think 
there's any way to do a less extensive surgery. They both (Gizmo and 
Poppy) did very well. Because most conditions that require this are 
painful, they both seemed to be react very well. The only thing that I 
noticed was they had a bit of difficulty judging distance at first, 
but that resolved in a very short time. One eventually needed the 
second eye removed as well, and as long as I didn't move anything, did 
fine, even still jumped to his favorite perches.


I understand financial constraints can be tough. You might 
consider a GoFundMe or YouCaring page. I'd be glad to help.


Margo


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From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Oct 4, 2016 2:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Double Posted Blank Message...

Margo:

It is often frustrating posting here because ( perhaps depending on 
the internet provider, or the type of computer or OS someone is 
using) a lot of messages post differently ( eg ALL of mine come 
across with a bunch of Question marks in them that I did not put 
there myself?? NOW my subject lines are double posting AND (?with 
my most recent question) it appears at the very bottom of the long 
list of postings and Unconnected to the subect lines ( go to the VERY 
bottom of the?postings and it will look as though I am responding to 
Amani but actually?that is just Amani's?sign off on the previous 
post. Sorry
I was soliciting information on people's experiences with having eyes 
removed from their ill cats. I am paining over whether to do this 
as my boy looks like he " might" be improving a bit but he has " 
surprised me many times before 

Re: [Felvtalk] Long Relationships with Vets....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

ny are dismissed on 
technicalities), NINE are decided in favour of the doctors. Moreover, 
in Canada, the doctors don?t pay ANYTHING for their defence - it is 
covered by government rebates to the physicians for 85% of their 
insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For the one 
in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor 
will invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins, 
are reversed on appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in 
trial almost always loses at appeal.


ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary 
experts, bring the required motions to court, etc., is underwritten 
by the medical malpractice lawyer.


Your enemy is NOT the trial lawyer. You have been fed a bill of goods 
by insurance companies. Look into it in any detail and you will see 
what I mean.


Now, may I please ask everyone to please leave my current profession 
out of this. I am happy to share my information and experience with 
everyone, and believe I have been quite generous in doing so. What 
started all this was a suggestion that the reason my vets give me 
Winstrol is because they are scared of me as a lawyer. I do not 
believe that to be true, and you should ask yourself if you are 
paying attention to my suggestions because I am a lawyer. Since I am 
pretty sure that is not the reason, then I would ask that you 
recognize that my vets also have been good enough to listen to me 
because I am quite up-to-speed on science and medicine, and can 
interpret blood work like nobody's business. Additionally, I think 
Margo's observation is bang on: if vets were afraid I would sue them, 
they would never ever try something "off-label" or experimental with 
me. As Margo suggested, anyone afraid of litigation will do 
everything "by the book". Moreover, as I have pointed out, I ha
 ve developed my relationship with my vets for literally decades, and 
well before I became a lawyer. I frankly think they are far more 
impressed with my ability to speak with them at the same level when it 
comes to medical issues, then they are scared of me turning around and 
suing them. I do not have a relationship of fear with my vets.


Amani



-Original Message-
From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net]
Sent: October-06-16 10:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Amani Oakley
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

Just klook at the ads on tv.  every medication that comes on the 
market is now being sued.  Someone asked me why?  Lawyers who do 
these things smell a handsome profit and snese that there is abasis 
for these suits



 Amani Oakley  wrote:
You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he 
thought his client might blame him later for things going wrong. But 
again, that presumes that a whole lot of people seriously 
misunderstand the realities of litigation and have bought the 
insurance companies' spin that there are all these crazy people who 
will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably true.


Amani


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
Behalf Of Margo

Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10


Funny, my thought was that a Vet would be LESS likely to try 
anything even slightly out of the norm with a potentially litigious 
client. That they would go strictly "by the book" in order to be 
able to defend what they did, should here be a problem.


But then, there are Vets and there are VETS. "My" Vet has her last 
day at the practice Friday for maternity leave, and won't be back 
until January. I have no idea what I'll do. She says she'll be 
available by phone and email, but I have my doubts. Although I DO 
think she'll be bored ;)


Margo

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From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Oct 4, 2016 9:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10

Amani...
I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a 
lawyer I would get more cooperation from my vet? As Vets begin 
to charge more and more and?large corporations begin to?buy up 
small practices here in the states the model is now?moving toward 
the downside of human medicine discrete scheduling time periods 
to maximize profits...
little time to " discuss" options and an aversion to moving on to 
topics that could cause spending extra time.? As prices rise so 
do owner resentments at not being " cared about" or listened to 
just as in human medicine. and that( at least in the US) is 
when lawsuits are most likely to be filed Most of us can 
forgive a vet making a mistake when we feel he/she has put real 
thought and concern into a Tx plan but putting our pets at risk 
because an alteration in plan causes him to have to step outside 
his comfor

Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or 
Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with Kidney 
Failure patients)   It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper when used 
for veterinary purposes than human   As the go to drug for anemia in 
Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " should" work for 
Feline anemia..    There will not be the same resistance to using 
this as we encounter attempting to procure Winstrol..



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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:32:11 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
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Last year I switched vets because mine was always out on a farm call 
and I had to drive over 30 miles to St Louis to an emergency vet. 
This new vet is there when I need her unless it is 2AM, and more 
agreeable about trying new and different things.


 Ardy Robertson  wrote:
That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on 
getting
our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't 
cooperate.

Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :)


One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I 
wanted

for Tigg.


Ardy



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Of

Sherri Godschalk
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol


Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told 
me
basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned 
the
doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up 
Bogeys
meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next 
appointment
actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because 
the
likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a 
little
helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better 
each time

on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing.


From: Felvtalk  >
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Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  "



Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol


Sorry - I was looking at the wrong thing when I mentioned the 
lymphocytes. I

was actually noticing the MCHC going up (mean cell haemoglobin
concentration) which is also a good thing.


They lymphocytes have gone up, not down, and emphasizes the need for 
the

doxycycline in my opinion.


Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of

Sherri Godschalk
Sent: September-16-16 12:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First 
Month on Stanzolol



Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good. 
Bogey

was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off
(Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then 
went

into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat
because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on 
the
Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks 
on, 10
days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from 
9/16

and the ones from 8/24.


9/16
8/24

RBC 2.57
2.43

HCT 15.3
15.3

HGB 5.5
5.3

MCV59.1
62.6

MCH21.4
21.8

MCHC  36.2
34.9

RDW23.7
23.9

RETIC  78.1
61.5

WBC14.47
13.46

NEU 4.07
4.03

LYM8.83
7.75

MONO1.52

Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...

I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really 
considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it 
becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen( or 
similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young boy 
Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly anemic 
and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before his numbers 
drop too substantially..   Very aggravating that my current Vet 
appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for Winstrol but took 
back the offer after she spoke to the clinics director...   Can't afford 
to keep changing Vets
want someone with at least a " little " investment in my guy and who has 
a sense of his history...


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It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The Epogen 
acts on the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a hormone that 
tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells.


The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red cell 
progenitor cells in the bone marrow and either kills them or takes 
them over so that they make viruses, not red cells. My hypothesis is 
that when the red cell production stops, it is because all the 
progenitor cells have been destroyed or taken over the by virus. Thus, 
giving Epogen probably won't be helpful, because the cells which 
normally respond to erythropoietin by creating more red cells, can no 
longer do so because the progenitor cells are damaged or dead and can 
no longer produce red cells.


Winstrol is known to be good for osteoporosis. My hypothesis is that 
it strengthens the bone marrow by encouraging the growth of new cells 
in the bone marrow. That would explain how red cell production gets 
started back up again with the use of Winstrol.


With the Epogen, it is causing more erythropoietin to be produced to 
"tell" the progenitor cells to produce red cells, but the progenitor 
cells are either dead or damaged by the virus and can no longer 
respond appropriately to the detection of higher levels of 
erythropoietin. Epogen might work if you start it before the bone 
marrow is really devastated - ie - before you get the big drop in red 
cells and haematocrit.


Fair warning though: this is all my hypothesis, based on my own 
observations, research and experience.


Amani
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs

Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or 
Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with 
Kidney Failure patients)?? It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper 
when used for veterinary purposes than human?? As the go to drug 
for anemia in Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " 
should" work for Feline anemia..??? There will not be the same 
resistance to using this as we encounter attempting to procure 
Winstrol..



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wrong Pill??

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sheri.

It might help to ease your mind ( in the future as well) to familiarize 
yourself with the Pill identifier apps available on the net. there 
are quite a few of them I have used the one at Drugs.com 
successfully in the past but I have no idea if it is the best of the 
bunch or not  If you google " Pill identification" you will get at 
least 20 hits.   As prednisone and prednisolone are generic it is 
entirely possible that you got the correct drug but perhaps this batch 
came from a different manufacturer   for eg.   My generic BP meds 
look different every one or two scripts likewise for other drugs I 
have taken more than once


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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:49:43 -0400
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Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
~ Nancy ~


On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:

Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead of 
the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow is 
still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and 
see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the 
hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.


Amani

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Amani...

I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really 
considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it 
becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen( 
or
similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young 
boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly 
anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before his 
numbers drop too substantially..   Very aggravating that my 
current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for 
Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to the clinics 
director...   Can't afford to keep changing Vets want someone with at 
least a " little " investment in my guy and who has a sense of his 
history...


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It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The 
Epogen acts on the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a 
hormone that tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells.


The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red 
cell progenitor cells in the bone marrow and either kills them or 
takes them over so that they make viruses, not red cells. My 
hypothesis is that when the red cell production stops, it is because 
all the progenitor cells have been destroyed or taken over the by 
virus. Thus,

Re: [Felvtalk] Cole...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Karen

I'm so sorry that you are having such bad luck with Cole I know it's 
heartbreaking.   Stanazole may hold the most promise ( per Amani's 
experiences) if you can get your hands on it in time    I'm a little 
surprised that the Cornell Vet made no mention of transfusion and 
recommended Cyproheptadine for appetite stim when the standard now ( as 
I understand it) is mirtazapine.( at least according to my vet...who 
prescribed this over Cyp___  for my guy Yogi)   Sometimes it gets 
wearying having to second guess Vets all the time with Felv+ Kitties 
there appears to BE no best practices when it comes to treating this 
disease Seems most vets treat the Sequelae and don't go after the 
disease process itself and even then they don't appear to be paying 
a lot of attention to anemia and the many other methods of raising RBC 
count...  In another 10 yrs I expect that STEM cell treatment will be 
the standard but our problems with our Buddies are happening NOW..  
I hope you pick up enough info here to help you now and in the 
future.


Bob


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Thank goodness that the word about Stanazolol is starting to get out 
to these vets. This is very heartening to me.


Amani



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Of Sherri Godschalk

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet

I replied incorrectly to your question on this thread. Bit of amateur. 
I am in Fort Wayne, IN


On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 2:01 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL > wrote:
Sherrie

Where are you located??We have been back and forth SO many times 
here about how to get a vet to prescribe Stanazole and here your vet 
prescribes it unbidden  At least for a Felv+ cat I'd stay with 
this one for a while Really hope your Kitty responds..




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Amani, I talked to a vet at Cornell U at their consult services today 
for a second opinion since things are not going well for Cole.  He 
throws up almost every night after eating just a little ( tonight he 
threw up just in anticipated food-- no food-- because he is so 
nausea).  He is going to starve to death with interferon and syringe 
feeding that has turned into force feeding!

Anyway Cornell U mentioned pednisone too but not winstrol
  How did you learn of this and I assume it is available in US?  It 
took my vet a week to get interferon (that I now read will cause 
nausea, so now afraid to start it) , so afraid Cole dies nit have 
another week to find winstrol!  Cornell U vet recommended  every other 
day fluids, milk thistle and or denamarin to support liver, cerenia 
injection to help with vomiting, cyproheptading to stimulate appetite. 
And like i said earlier, prednisone.  Also, no supportive research but 
go ahead and give interferon that my vet ordered cause some have 
success with.  I would live ti see the rest of your posts but dont 
know how to find.  I have to do something different tomorrow than just 
force feed and orbax amd interferon or I am certain i will loose Cole 
and then probably his 2 brothers will follow from the Stress Because 
they are so extremely bonded.  Thanks Karen and Cole

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I'm glad it all worked out for you..
I haven't seen any updates re: Bogey beyond your recent comment to Liz 
that
the Stanazol is helping.   I am so glad you have a vet willing to 
prescribe it..


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Thank you Robert for the Pill Identifier idea. They actually had given 
me

the wrong pill and were very apologetic. She was a tech that dispensed
these and just didn?t grab the right bottle. Yikes. They did in fact 
give
me Prednisone instead of the Prednisolone. Just from what I had read 
on
the internet as well as responses here about which one is better for 
cats,

I called the vet first thing that next morning. All is well and I am
opening each bottle now before I leave the office. Thanks for writing.

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wrote:



Sheri.

It might help to ease your mind ( in the future as well) to 
familiarize
yourself with the Pill identifier apps available on the net. 
there

are quite a few of them I have used the one at Drugs.com
successfully in the past but I have no idea if it is the best of the
bunch or not  If you google " Pill identification" you will get 
at

least 20 hits.   As prednisone and prednisolone are generic it is
entirely possible that you got the correct drug but perhaps this 
batch

came from a different manufacturer   for eg.   My generic BP meds
look different every one or two scripts likewise for other drugs 
I

have taken more than once

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Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
~ Nancy ~


On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:

Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead 
of
the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow 
is

still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and
see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the
hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.

Amani

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Amani...

I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not 
really

considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it
becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start 
Epogen(

or
similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young
boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly
anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before 
his

numbers drop too substantially..   Very aggravating that my
current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for
Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 38

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Liz
Personally...I think death is a rather negative side effect of NOT 
trying everything possible I do NOT understand the reluctance of 
Vets to prescribe drugs that they generally do not use if they are not 
offering any viable alternative.. My Yogi, for eg, is going 
blindOne Vet, understandably, didn't want to use prednisolone for 
his very severe uveitis because it has the potential to cause a variety 
of eye problemsOK I understand..BUT she was not offering any 
alternativeit is SO darn frustrating... another vet in the practice 
did prescribe prednisolone and it worked marvelously for 4 months and 
brought him back from near total blindness. Sadly... he developed a 
severe corneal ulcer and ist looking now( since I've had to D/C the 
prednisolone( that the Uveitis is returning along with having a corneal 
ulcer. I could have NOT used the pred... but he would have been in 
terrible pain the entire time AND blind On balance I could not be 
happier that I was able to give him a few months more of vision..  
Now we are really at an impasse. Point is...  a lot of vets are 
quite closed minded and if you have the money shop vets until you find 
one that WILL work with you..ask anyone and everyone that has a FeLV 
cat... or any cat with complicated problems ( people with generally 
healthy cats who tell you they love their vets are legionANY vet can 
easily handle a healthy cat with minor issues occasionally how they 
handle the complicated problem cases is what is important. I know 
the frustration and sadness of trying to get you boy back on track and 
having to battle the damn vet in order to do this just adds another 
level of stress.  I'm sorry for your trouble and wish you both the 
best

Bob
Warwick NY


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I had a blind cat (Dodsie) who lived to be 19. Since she already knew 
our house, she adjusted to being blind so well. She walked around 
rooms close to the outer walls, almost touching them. She was able to 
go downstairs to use the litter box and come back up with no problem. 
I of course kept her bed close to the wall so no one would step on 
her. I think we felt sorrier for her than she did...she adjusted so 
well and it really didn't seem to bother her and we knew she was 
totally blind in both eyes. She responded to our voice just like 
before. She was an only cat so that probably helped her feel secure. 
And thankfully when she left us, she just went to sleep one afternoon 
and did not wake up.


Ardy


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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

Robert

I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would 
be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain 
will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who 
also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing 
that worked, and the eye was really bad.


In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to 
help with pain and controlling infection:


1.	Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and 
has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2.	Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once 
before discarding it.


Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will 
help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a 
compounding pharmacy.

Amani

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Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: September-25-16 3:06 PM
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 38

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy...
I too had a blind cat and he did rather well... I simply am NOT 
willing to put this guy through 2 major operations so he can be blind 
AND have no eyes and still be susceptible ( due to FeLV) to a host of 
other ills Plus..he would be a sitting duck for his housemate who is 
still acting like a kitten and attacks him several times a day 
Fortunately he doesn't keep it up after Yogi makes it clear that he is 
not interested in playing and runs away and hides but it's still 
stressful for him Honestly it's simply the sheer amount of 
things that have plagued my boy in the 7 short months he has been with 
me URI,Diarrhea, Blood in his stool, weight loss, hair loss, 
constant fever, Uveitis, Corneal Ulcer... It's just too much for 
such a young cat His entire life is medications several times a day 
and hiding from his housemate at most times.
I won't put him down as long as he is still functional and doesn't 
appear to be in too much pain( right now he still has a good appetite 
and still shows curiosity about his environment but. if the time 
comes that he loses his appetite and begins to appear to be quite 
uncomfortable I will put him down simply because it is wholly unlikely 
that this WON"T be the path the remainer of his life will take...I 
won't keep him around just because " I " will miss him...
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   3. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37 (Liz McCarty)


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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:35:38 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and 
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I had a blind cat (Dodsie) who lived to be 19. Since she already knew 
our house, she adjusted to being blind so well. She walked around 
rooms close to the outer walls, almost touching them. She was able to 
go downstairs to use the litter box and come back up with no problem. 
I of course kept her bed close to the wall so no one would step on 
her. I think we felt sorrier for her than she did...she adjusted so 
well and it really didn't seem to bother her and we knew she was 
totally blind in both eyes. She responded to our voice just like 
before. She was an only cat so that probably helped her feel secure. 
And thankfully when she left us, she just went to sleep one afternoon 
and did not wake up.


Ardy


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Of Amani Oakley

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

Robert

I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would 
be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain 
will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who 
also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing 
that worked, and the eye was really bad.


In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to 
help with pain and controlling infection:


1.	Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and 
has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2.	Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once 
before discarding it.


Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will 
help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a 
compounding pharmacy.

Amani

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I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
Yogi) through  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something 
causing him pain at least 5 of them..   I put him on high doses of 
ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( 
bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would likely 
have to be g

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sherri...
My heart goes out to you... I KNOW very firsthand how difficult it is to 
have no idea which way it will go.
I've thought my little guy was on his way out too many times to count 
already and he just keeps bouncing back... Not always as well as before 
but he still eats well, purrs a lot despite the 7 meds I have to give 
him for his eyes and manages to stay out of reach of his Heavier, insane 
1 yr old " brother" ( also FeLV+ but mercifully still healthy and 
currently engaged in bringing leaves from the porch, individually in his 
mouth, into the kitchen to play with I couldn't figure out where all 
the leaves were coming from until I saw him do this, meticulously, over 
15 minutes it was "cute overload"!!
I went to the ends of the earth to find things that Yogi would eat when 
he was at his worst and the ONLY thing that worked for me was to grind 
temptations chicken treats very finely and sprinkle them over all meat 
baby food ( I tried a variety of meats I cooked myself and ground but he 
preferred the baby food)... Sometimes Chicken Broth on a plate inspired 
him to drink a bit moreworked better than a bowel as kitties do not 
see straight down and his nose was, at times , a bit stuffed...  Don't 
know if this is useful but my experience here is that the cumulative 
experience of everyone usually nets some good useable ideasPlease 
try not to stress too much over the blood results there was a time 
before we had the ability to know whats going on inside bodies that we 
just judged how well we ( or our creatures) were doing by their 
functioning... and he appears to be functioning reasonably well...  Heck 
... people run marathons with heart conditions..



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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:34:17 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup 
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I'll be praying the Doxy helps!!
Ardy


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Sherri Godschalk
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

Ardy,
She has been on the prednisolone since August 1. The Stanzolol about 2 
weeks

after that. Today was first day of Doxy. Thanks for the well wishes.
I think we are going to need them.

SHerri

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Can I ask how long she has been on the Stanozolol? And you just 
started the Prednisolone and Doxy, correct? My best wishes to Bogey 
to improve soon!!


Ardy


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Of Amani Oakley

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

Hi Sherri

Yes, some of the results are worse (especially the platelets) but the 
retic count is actually up a bit. I hope that adding the Doxycycline 
might help.
The haematocrit and red cells are down, but nowhere as low as I have 
seen them in cats with FeLV, so there is a lot of cushion still 
there. The best piece of news is that she is eating and drinking and 
gaining

weight.


Amani



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Of Sherri Godschalk

Sent: October-26-16 12:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

Just a bit of information regarding Bogey?s last lab results. She had 
been sleeping a lot and not as active so this really didn?t surprise 
me.

Everything has taken a down turn.


Range   26-Oct  30-Sep
RBC 6.5412.22.542.9
HCT 30.352.314.817.9
HGB 9.8 16.25.2 6.2
MCV 35.953.158.361.7
MCH 11.817.320.521.4
MCHC28.135.835.134.6
RDW 15  27  24.525.2
RETIC   3   50  89.982.1
WBC 2.8717.02   13.05   12.01
NEU 1.481.029   3.973.96
LYM 

Re: [Felvtalk] KFC

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani et al...

What do you suspect is the magical secret of KFC over cooking regular 
chicken at home??  Is it the 12 secret spices??  : )   Perhaps the 
infusion of frying oil into the meat??  Frankly, if there was one nearby 
I'd be happy to forget cooking chicken for my boys to supplement their 
diet ( I want them to have a LOT more moisture and baby food is getting 
WAY too expensive  Neither are fans of wet cat foods but I still 
have another 200 brands to get through : )  Hell... if I didn't have 
the cats to cook for I probably wouldn't cook at all.   I put a menu 
down and they press a paw to their choice...it works well.
Sherri...  I'm glad you and Bogey are enjoying it now if only WE 
enjoyed Friskies Pate or Natural Balance Duck and Pea the world would be 
a brighter place...



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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:04:22 -0400
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Coco

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So sorry about Coco. Sounds like it was peaceful for her. Thanks for 
loving

and taking care of her. Peace to you

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Kelley S

Reply-To:  Date:  Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:49 PM
To:  felvtalk Subject:  [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco

Lost my little Coco last night.  It was sudden - she was playing and 
running
around before I went to sleep and when I woke up she was gone. 
Probably

better for her that way as she didn't have to suffer through a long
protracted illness.  Sure does hurt though.

Kelley
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 20:47:21 -0500
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Coco

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Hi Kelley,

I?m so sorry for the loss of little Coco. When my Tigger babe lost his 
battle at 5-1/2 years, I was devastated. Someone from this FeLV chat 
group sent me this poem called Lend Me A Kitten, and I still read it a 
lot. It give me a little solace??I hope it helps you and all the 
others who have given such good care and still had to go through the 
loss.



Lend Me a Kitten

I will lend you a kitten for awhile, God said.
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead.
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three.
But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me?

He'll bring his charms to gladden you, and should his stay be brief
You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief.
I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return.
But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn.

I've looked the whole world over, in search of teachers true.
And from the folks that crowd life's land, I have chosen you.
Now will you give him all your love, not think the labor vain?
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again?

I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'.
For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief we'll run.
We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may.
And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay.

But should you call him back, much sooner than we planned,
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand.
If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve,
Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve.
When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife,
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life.

Author Unknown




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Of Kelley S

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 1:49 PM
To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco


Lost my little Coco last night.  It was sudden - she was playing and 
running around before I 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 46

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

One thing we all share here is the experience of loss or the potential 
for it... I am so sorry you lost Coco

but gratified that she had someone to love her during her little life..

thank you


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So sorry about Coco. Sounds like it was peaceful for her. Thanks for 
loving

and taking care of her. Peace to you

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Kelley S

Reply-To:  Date:  Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:49 PM
To:  felvtalk Subject:  [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco

Lost my little Coco last night.  It was sudden - she was playing and 
running
around before I went to sleep and when I woke up she was gone. 
Probably

better for her that way as she didn't have to suffer through a long
protracted illness.  Sure does hurt though.

Kelley
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 20:47:21 -0500
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Coco

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Hi Kelley,

I?m so sorry for the loss of little Coco. When my Tigger babe lost his 
battle at 5-1/2 years, I was devastated. Someone from this FeLV chat 
group sent me this poem called Lend Me A Kitten, and I still read it a 
lot. It give me a little solace??I hope it helps you and all the 
others who have given such good care and still had to go through the 
loss.



Lend Me a Kitten

I will lend you a kitten for awhile, God said.
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead.
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three.
But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me?

He'll bring his charms to gladden you, and should his stay be brief
You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief.
I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return.
But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn.

I've looked the whole world over, in search of teachers true.
And from the folks that crowd life's land, I have chosen you.
Now will you give him all your love, not think the labor vain?
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again?

I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'.
For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief we'll run.
We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may.
And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay.

But should you call him back, much sooner than we planned,
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand.
If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve,
Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve.
When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife,
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life.

Author Unknown




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Kelley S

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 1:49 PM
To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco


Lost my little Coco last night.  It was sudden - she was playing and 
running around before I went to sleep and when I woke up she was gone. 
Probably better for her that way as she didn't have to suffer through 
a long protracted illness.  Sure does hurt though.



Kelley

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:33:11 -0400
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Armani,
I tried the KFC today, she loved it. So does her mom so that was 
dinner

for both of us.
The only other information on the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 30

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Wondering particularly all you folks who have multiple cats at 
home.   I have one reasonably healthy FeLV guy weighing in at 10 lbs 
and the other guy is a bit of a twerp at 6.2lbs as well as not having a 
lot of energy due his pain and poor vision..   the healthier guy is 
a maniac and just wants to have fun...which involved periodically 
throughout the day trying to get my other guy to play by attacking 
him. Yogi.. can't see well and only is able to avoid him by getting 
away after he is "jumped"  Aside from my worry about Yogi's eye 
getting further injured  I am feeling badly for my other guy who I had 
gotten the second cat specifically SO he would have a play buddy..   
They had SO much fun when Yogi was well but now the other guy doesn't( 
obviously) understand that Yogi can't really play..  Jelly ( the big 
guy) is often bored and now getting into everything to burn off 
energy.   I play with him a LOT but he's just a very energetic 
cat...  I've been thinking of taking in a third shelter cat with 
FeLV that I know is pretty healthy at this time
( though for fiscal reasons I would foster this time) and has been since 
she was a Kitten in the hopes that ( given she is the same size as 
Jelly) they might be a play match and leave Yogi alone.  I've never 
had three young cats in the house at the same time and wondering if any 
of you have an opinion as to the likelihood of the Healthier ones Play 
bonding and leaving the sicker one in peace OR will they gang up on the 
weaker guy..   The little guy is due to go to a Veterinary 
Opthalmologist tomorrow for a determination as to if his eye can be 
saved since his weakened condition puts him at high risk for the 
surgery  I want to give him every chance to survive ( comfortably) 
and decided that ( despite my desire to avoid specialist charges) I 
stand the best chance of getting a good opinion from a vet that really 
knows eyes ( most don't appear to beyond the usually seen stuffoften 
including Corneal Ulcers...BUT...my guy now has some kind of growth 
forming on the cornea at it's intersection with the Sclera... that looks 
almost like a large pimple and it's getting larger   thoughts 
welcome...


Bob
Warwick


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Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:38:04 -0500
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I?m so sorry Liz! I could tell how much you loved Hodor.


Ardy


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We lost Hodor yesterday. It was extremely hard. He stopped eating and 
drinking. The vet had a hard time finding a vein for the catheter 
because of his anemia. It was so sad. Thank you all for your kind 
words and support. I wish that the vets could have done more to help 
him. FeLV sucks.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FeLV Kitty

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

There are some who believe that Older Cats that have intact immune 
systems are not terribly prone to contracting the Virus  It's a 
difficult call  My somewhat educated guess is that an older cat 
would do OK ( If you consider that many Feral Colonies exist for years 
with most of the cats intact and the odds are relatively high that at 
least a couple in any given colony are FeLV+  I'd be inclined toward 
integrating him or giving him the company of one or another of your cats 
on a rotating basis.    As others have said it's what you are 
comfortable with   I hate seeing animals without playmates...   I 
have two FeLV's and got two SO each would have a playmate...  
Unforunately, one of my boys is Chronically ill and acts far more like a 
geriatric cat and is not able TO be a playmate to my very active one 
I feel badly for both of them and may yet bring a third FeLV into the 
house ( though I would surely Foster this time)..

It is very good of you to look after this boy


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I am new to this group, but not to FIV/Felv. I rescued a sweet 
guy, that personally I think was dumped in my neighborhood. He started 
coming around my home and tried to make it his home, but then he 
stopped coming around. I could only imagine what could have happened 
to him. About a year later he showed up! I was now volunteering with a 
local rescue group and they helped me to trap him and get him fixed. 
We actually had someone that wanted to adopt him, but unfortunately 
when he tested positive they backed out. I felt so bad for him, as he 
was the sweetest fellow. I was planning on sending him to a sanctuary, 
but my husband wanted to try some natural remedies that he had heard 
had amazing effects. They ended up not doing what we had hoped, but in 
the mean time, I had become very attached and felt it wouldn?t benefit 
neither him nor myself to send him away. so, we built him and outdoor 
enclosure that he can go in and out of through the window in his own 
room in the bac
 k of my home. I have other cats, so he had to be isolated. =(  He 
does get company throughout the day between myself and my older son, 
who does his school work on the computer, located in Butch?s room. 
Between the two of us, it sometimes gets to be long nights, so that he 
doesn?t have to be alone for too long.


	I have had Butch now, for almost two years. We think he?s about 4-5 
years old. We have been through the removal of most of his teeth and 
the removal of a small tumor on his foot. He has a great appetite, 
went from 9-14lbs, everything still works. If not for his status, he 
is a very healthy guy. My Vet still doesn?t understand why he is still 
with us. I honestly didn?t think he would be here this long either, 
which brings me to my problem. As much as I try to keep him company, 
he is pretty lonely. I try to play as much as I can with him. Red 
lazor lights, stuffed toys on strings etc? He has a cat tree and other 
places to perch on and in. He has his 8x8 outdoor enclosure with a 
motion light for when he goes outside, but its getting colder out and 
he doesn?t stay out there too long anymore, especially at night, which 
is when I get the most guilty for leaving him alone, but I have to 
sleep sometime. Plus, like I said, I have other kitties that look for 
my attention too. =/



	Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can make his life here not 
so boring? I can?t get another cat with the same status, even though 
that would be golden, but I?d just end up in the same situation when 
one of them passes away. He would love another kitty, which is why he 
came around in the first place, but its not realistic. So any help 
would be great. Also, I was reading a couple of threads about a 
steriod. Does this make it possible for FIV/Felv cats to interact with 
healthy cats? Or does it help in reversing their status? Any info on 
that too would be appreciated.
	Please know, I realize 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 19

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Randy .

I wouldn't be so quick to rush to judgement about those who put their 
animals down when they become seriously ill... there are fiscal concerns 
to be considered and not everyone has the " hundreds of thousands of 
dollars" to put into uninsurable cats  My two FeLV cats have are 
wiping me out fiscally literally , every penny I had saved for MY 
extra's in retirement are gone and I can't EVEN go back to work because 
one requires medicine 4 times a day.  When humans get terribly ill, 
more often than not there is insurance to lighten the fiscal load AND a 
host of service givers who will come to the house to care for them at 
rates FAR more reasonable than what pet care providers charge ( an 
outrageously overpriced "cottage" industry)..   My own plans for my 
retirement have been, in no uncertain terms, utterly destroyed... I have 
no partner I have no kids, I have no friends that are as attached to 
animals as I am who support me in my( thus far) willingness TO sacrifice 
my retirment to the welfare of these precious little creatures whose 
welfare I take very seriouslyBUT... I am going to reach a point 
where I simply canNOT do it anymore and I really do NOT appreciate being 
regarded as Heartless,cold and selfish if I decide that I have reached 
this point before I no longer have the means to support MYself.. 
I've shed more tears over these cats ( and other unlucky creatures) than 
I care to remember and it will CRUSH me to put either of them down 
but If I'm not fiscally viable I won't even be able to maintain a 
household that would allow me to FOSTER cats in the future




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my neighbors all think I am crazy also, in fact they call me the crazy 
cat lady.  one even said all catsd and stray dogs are good for is 
target practice and I told himstay away from my house or he will end 
up on the ground beside my cats.


You do what gives you pleasure and caring for our cats gives pleasure. 
the love they give us can not be measured and being alone at 76, i 
think i would loose my sanity if they were not here to give me love 
and companship.


 Randy Henke  wrote:
I am new to this mailing list, our precious cat, Curly, having been 
just

recently diagnosed with FELV but already quite sick twice and just
beginning to rally (fingers crossed) from her second bout with severe
anemia and leukopenia.

I just wanted to say how much I admire every one of you here who go 
to such
great lengths for their pets, nursing them back from the brink time 
and

again, spending hundreds or thousands of dollars for treatment after
treatment to give them as much time with us as we possibly can.

My wife and I are both surrounded by friends and co-workers who think 
we

are fools for caring so much about an animal. They ask why we are so
melancholy and then look at us with disbelief when we tell them the 
reason.

Their philosophy is to take good care of their pets but when they get
seriously ill, it's time to put them down and move on.

To me, such thinking could only come from cold, heartless and selfish
individuals. Sometimes I actually envy them because life would be so 
much
easier if I could think like they do. But I can't and I won't. Just 
because
a family member has four legs instead of two doesn't diminish their 
worth

nor does it detract from their will to live. We do them an egregious
disservice by shortening their lives when there are still viable 
options on
the table that can provide additional months or even weeks of quality 
life.


The devotion and empathy that you people have for your cats is so 
touching

to me that I am sitting here right now crying.

God bless every one of you.

Randy





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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 10

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Nancy

In keeping with Amani's response...would be VERY interested to know if 
the cats ( with which you have had success) were ( are) FeLV+ per 
IFA or FeLV at all.
Owners of FeLV Kitties can get desperate to find ANYTHING that might 
help their cats and can spend their way into oblivion with useless 
elixers that will leave them cash poor for the ( sometimes) more 
expensive drugs that stand a better chance of success Personally I 
can't imagine how Omega 3's are going to  have any appreciable effect on 
depressed RBC's.   Aracept... as pointed out could be effective if 
the anemia is regenerativepossibly harmful if not ( cats can respond 
with antibodies to Epo and the like with antibodies that further depress 
their blood count
If you have positive experience with the above would love to hear about 
it  even better if you have any reference papers to point us to 
regarding the successful use of Omega 3's in FeLV Kitties we would ALL, 
I am sure, be very interested as they are widely available and certainly 
reasonably priced ( generally)

thanks...


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I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot 
express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. 
Moxxor is 100% pure.  Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and 
kiwifruitseed oil.  No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, 
or excipients of any kind.  My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock 
on wood have been doing well.  They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets 
~ Liquid Immuno.  All natural.  For Moxxor, please please come join my 
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Hi Nancy

Were your cats in anemic crisis when you put them on the supplements, 
or were they positive for FeLV but not in crisis? I am interested to 
know if your supplements turned around severe non-regenerative anemia. 
I am sure I am not telling you anything new when I indicate that the 
problem is that if a cat is severely anemic and not producing his/her 
own red cells (low or insufficient reticulocytes) then there is very 
little time to address the crisis. Moreover, as I have posted before 
epogen, and other erythropoietin-type mimics, act on the red cell 
precursors in the bone marrow, signalling to them to produce more red 
cells. If the precursor cells are damaged or killed by the virus, 
which they often are, and that is why all three cell lines (red cells, 
white cells and platelets) are often affected, then no amount of 
erythropoietin, ?yelling? at a dead precursor cell, will get it to 
re-start red cell production. The only thing I have found that has a 
chance to do that is the Winstrol, co
 upled with the Doxycycline. The Winstrol promotes the development of 
bone marrow and has been found to be effective for conditions such as 
osteoporosis. It promotes the growth and increased density of bone.


Were you able to restart bone marrow red cell production with the 
supplements you are referencing? I would be very interested to hear if 
that is the case since we certainly need as many weapons in our 
arsenal as possible.


Thanks,

Amani

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I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot 
express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. 
Moxxor is 100% pure.  Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and 
kiwifruitseed oil.  No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, 
or excipients of 

Re: [Felvtalk] Omega 3/Moxxor

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

While Omega 3's have a relatively solid reputation as useful in 
inflammatory conditions Moxxor (recommended by a  recent poster) is 
$60.00 for 60 tabs on the company Website...  For those individuals with 
a lot of disposable income this might seem a reasonable investment in 
their ( or their Kitties) health but...  I can buy a months supply 
of Doxy, or Prednisolone or Stanazole or any number of proven 
medications for the same amount.  60 dollars is a high price for a 
non prescription health supplement to my mind ( Now... if I could easily 
get my hands on 60 bucks worth of Green Lipped Mussels...which are not 
frequently seen around my neighborhood... THAT I might spring for ( best 
and largest mussels I have ever eaten!!)...  The Pills, I am sure, don't 
taste nearly as good  : )



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Thanks everyone for the awesome response and advice. We will be back 
at the

vet on Friday for the next round of blood tests and I will discuss all
options and your advice with the vet.

I really am extremely grateful.

Terri

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Nancy

In keeping with Amani's response...would be VERY interested to know 
if the
cats ( with which you have had success) were ( are) FeLV+ per IFA 
or

FeLV at all.
Owners of FeLV Kitties can get desperate to find ANYTHING that might 
help
their cats and can spend their way into oblivion with useless elixers 
that
will leave them cash poor for the ( sometimes) more expensive drugs 
that
stand a better chance of success Personally I can't imagine how 
Omega

3's are going to  have any appreciable effect on depressed RBC's.
Aracept... as pointed out could be effective if the anemia is
regenerativepossibly harmful if not ( cats can respond with 
antibodies

to Epo and the like with antibodies that further depress their blood
count
If you have positive experience with the above would love to hear 
about

it  even better if you have any reference papers to point us to
regarding the successful use of Omega 3's in FeLV Kitties we would 
ALL, I
am sure, be very interested as they are widely available and 
certainly

reasonably priced ( generally)
thanks...


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I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot
express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 
supplement.
Moxxor is 100% pure.  Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and 
kiwifruitseed
oil.  No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or 
excipients of
any kind.  My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock on wood have 
been doing

well.  They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno.  All
natural.  For Moxxor, please please come join my FB page at
https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/to learn more 
about

this.  I swear by it for both me and for my two girls.

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Sherri...
Once again...  although there have been some significant changes in her 
Bloodwork...  your little girl looks like she is quite far away from " 
bowing out " anytime soon   : )  I'm very glad that the Stanazol, 
Doxy combination has had positive effects for her in the past and 
imagine with judicious reintroduction her levels should improve.  
That would be a fine New Years Treat    Good Luck...



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I hope all of you had a nice Holiday. It is way too chaotic but I miss 
it

when it is over.

I wanted to share with you a couple of things about my FEVL + cat 
Bogey for
anyone who is interested. She was jaundice last month and seriously 
ill in

the hospital for a few days and has been home since 14th of December.
Although the Doc wanted her back on her meds, Stanzolol Doxycycline, 
right
away?I waited. After her blood tests on the 20th, with his insistence, 
she
started back on the meds. No prednisolone because he had given her a 
shot
when released. I did as he said but after 7 days on it, she started to 
eat
less and seemed fatigued, so I stopped. So now she has been off them 
again
for 8 days and got her blood tested today. Here is what has happened 
to her.

  LOW HIGH 5-Jan 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 2.93 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 16.9 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 5.3 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 57.7 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 18.1 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 31.4 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 29.1 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 102.6 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 18.77 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
 NEU 1.48 10.29 7.88 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
 LYM 0.92 6.88 8.73 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
 MONO 0.05 0.67 1.87 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
 EOS 0.17 1.57 0.44 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
 BASO 0.01 0.26 0.05 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
 PLT 151 800 111 295 122 28 53 88 50
  GLU 74 159 111 122 125 178
 BUN 16 36 22 21 14 23
 CREA 8 2.4 1.1 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA20 19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1 7.5 4.5   4.5
 CA 7.8 11.3 8.7   9.8
 TP 5.7 8.9 9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2 4 2.8 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8 5.1 6.2 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB0.5 0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12 130 111 581 192 237
 ALKP 14 111 34 81 42 39
 GGT 0 4 0   8  TBIL 0 0.9 1.4  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65 225 77   170
 AMYL 500 1500 1074   842
 LIPA 100 1400 442   255
 NA 150 165158  K 3.5 5.83.4   NA/K   46  CL 112 129 
114  OSM CALC   318
As you can see her anemia is much worse although her liver numbers 
have
improved significantly. So we are starting back everything today. The 
tech
noted that Bogey?s serum was icteric. She is not jaundice at all 
outwardly.
Is eating great. Doc says to try possibly one Stanzolol every other 
day. Or
half a capsule twice a day. As well a 5mg Prednisolone 1 time a day 
and 1/4

doxy twice a day. I am thinking maybe keep her on the same dose of the
Stanzolol but split the Pred. Do you have opinions?

Anyway my baby seems happy. She loved her stocking full of Temptations 
and

new toys for Christmas. I am so glad she is here beside me.

Thanks everyone.

Sherri and Bogey








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Ardy

I find that if I do anything that puts pressure on the gums ( like 
trying to get a look when the cats are fighting it) it forces blood away 
from the gums and I can't get a good read  I wonder if the same 
wouldn't be true of a Kitty biting on a pen??.
Though... with my Yogi... his gums are so white I don't know that they 
would get any pink in them with or withOUT pressure...    I try to 
get a look when they are sleeping and can usually can a fair look before 
they start " arguing"   : )



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Hi Sherri,

Hi ? I recently wanted to look at my Topaz? gums because she has black 
spots in her mouth and I was concerned. She just would not let me in 
there for anything??UNTIL, I realized she likes to bite on pens! So I 
can hold a pen crossways, and she bites it, thus opening her mouth. I 
can see in there very well, and the vet says there is nothing wrong ? 
she just has that color pigmentation in her mouth. But I could have 
easily held the pen with one hand and snapped a picture with my phone 
in the other hand.




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I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am 
just going to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give 
her half AM and half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred 
(split the pill). 5mg at once seems like a lot for this little cat. 
(6lb 5oz). She may feel better having it that way anyway.


I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must 
really taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice 
cream or yogurt this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on 
for that is high. 25mg twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the 
first time around and the ?parts? were smaller. When they refilled, 
they had the 100mg cut in actual quarters and she took ill shortly 
after we started her back on it in December.


My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some 
periods like your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at 
noticing pinkness in gums and nose but clearly I haven?t mastered that 
yet. I looked at her gums today and they looked awfully pink compared 
to 4 months ago. I tried to get her to sit still while I took a pic of 
them for reference?gonna have to get another pair of hands for that 
kind of photography. :-)


We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting 
the regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to 
where they were in December. I think we were really making progress.



Yea I don?t understand the ?icteric? either. Just gonna accept that 
something looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you)



Your Zander?was a lucky little boy to have you!


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I would suggest 1 mg 2x a day then, Sherri. I had Zander on 2 mg 2x a 
day but only right at the start for a month or so to ?kickstart? the 
process because his haematocrit was s low. I think the usually 
recommended dose for Winstrol for cats is 1 mg twice a day. I gave 
Zander his pills all at once ? prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycycline. I 
suspect that the problems you encountered are far more likely to be 
related to the higher Winstrol dose than the staggering of the 
medication.


Now that you have clarified the dosing for Bogey, I think that the 
problem was the high dosing of the Stanazolol. I think if you drop it 
by half, and keep everything else the same, you might get a better 
response. Frankly, though, it is the very fact that the numbers tumble 
every time the meds are pulled, that convinces me that it is 
definitely the meds that are making such a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy...

Yes... you DO have a good vet... or a least one that is willing to think 
outside the litter box..
I am getting VERY frustrated and soon very angry at the unwillingness of 
my local vets to have anything to do with Winstrol  I can not 
comprehend a  vet having NO reasonable alternative for a dying animal 
and STILL being unwilling to prescribe a drug that has shown efficacy 
with this disease    If my boy starts to go downhill from anemia and 
the vet still won't prescribe there is going to be a scene...
At the prices now being charged for Veterinary services I expect a LOT 
MORE than I am getting at this point...


Have been looking at International sources for the drug and on various 
bodybuilding sites but these are mostly B.S and one can not be sure if 
he is getting the real drug


I recall there being some discussion about  contacting Diamond Back and 
asking for vets that have requested the drug.  Did anyone in he 
forum ever do this ???  I don't recall.    It's worth a try I've 
used them for other drugs that I have ordered through the shelter where 
I volunteer



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Our vet must be one of the good ones. He approved both Winstrol and
Doxycycline even though he has never used them for FELV positive cats.
We'll be adding those onto Curly's Prednisone as soon as we get them. 
So
far she is hanging in there. She only eats Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers 
(about
a small can every other day) but her weight is holding around 7 
pounds.
About a half pound below her best weight before she got sick. She 
still

gets up to get drinks of water and use the litter box and she is still
grooming herself. She wants very little social interaction which is 
not
like her at all and she has very little energy, preferring to stay on 
the
bed almost all of the time. Her breathing is also fairly rapid and has 
been

for quite a few days.

Hopefully this will be another success story for your kitty cocktail. 
We'll

owe you much if it works.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:


Randy



I really don?t know. I have only had experience with the pills which 
I
found very effective. As a compromise option, I would take if that is 
the

only way the vet will agree to proceed.



Amani



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Hi Amani,

I have a call in to our vet now about the Winstrol and Doxycycline. 
I've
read that there is also the option of getting a weekly shot of 
Winstrol as
opposed to the pills. If our vet balks at prescribing the pills but 
would

be willing to give her the shot would it still work as well?



On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Wishing you luck.



Amani



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Behalf

Of *Randy Henke
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Thank you, Amani! I'll see what I can do to convince the vet on 
Monday.




On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

1 mg 2 times a day.



Amani



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Of *Randy Henke
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That is information that is definitely useful to me! Thanks so much! 
Do
you know what dosage of Winstrol I should ask for for a 6.8 pound 
cat? I
want to have as much info as possible when I talk to my vet on 
Monday.




On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

No Randy, Winstrol is an anabolic steroid (unlike prednisone which is 
a

corticosteroid) so it does not have a dampening effect on the immune
system. What you need right now is something to stimulate red cell
production. If your cat has FELV, then the problem is that the 
progenitor
cells in the bone 

Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's appetite...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy

I'm not sure if the dosages of prednisone and Winstrol Curly will be 
getting are in the range that were formerly used for appetite 
stimulation in Kitties...( yes in the " old " days Corticosterioids AND 
anabolic Steroids were the go to drugs for appetite stimulation but 
often did more harm than good if not used judiciously.    The other 
drug that Ardy was referring to was likely Cyproheptadine... an 
antihistamine that has since been replaced by Mirtazapine ( an 
antidepressant in humans) in part due to an easier dosing schedule( 
Daily to Q3days vs every 8 hours or so for the Cypro   There are 
many who still swear by the Cyproheptadine( I'll write out the full word 
rather than cause the confusion of mixing it up with the antibiotic_ 
Cipro. All of the above have worked a " little " for my different 
cats over the years.   Most recently I used Mirtazapine for my boy Yogi 
( who has been on no less than 10 different Meds in the past few months 
and it worked well for a couple of days... but then not at all. 
Fortunately the crisis passed and he went back to eating on his own when 
the pain in his eye subsided ( Now he appears to be developing Nasal 
complications due to all the damn Eye Drops I have to give him to keep 
his Uveitis at bay and clear up the Ocular Herpes that caused the whole 
mess.  FeLV can be a challenge for some unlucky Kitties for 
sure    Have any of the folks here who have used he combination of 
Prednisolone and Wintrol noticed increases in appetite??



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Today These look worse PG 2

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Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It 
seems

like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn?t showing any
jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues 
with
balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but 
it
doesn?t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are 
not

better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
 GLU 74-159 122 125 178
 BUN 16-36 21 14 23
 CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA  19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
 CA 7.8-11.3   9.8  TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12-130 581 192 237
 ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
 GGT 0-4   8   TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65-225   170  AMYL 500-1500   842
 LIPA 100-1400   255
 NA 150-165   158   K 3.5-5.8   3.4   NA/K46   CL 112-129   114 
OSM CALC318 Sherri



From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke Reply-To:  Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that 
performance with

our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk wrote:
Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself 
instead of
sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good 
except her
red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As 
well as him
being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I 
read
that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her 
home
last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to 
start her
back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like 
it might
be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for 
even a
week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone 
is

interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!

   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 

Re: [Felvtalk] Finding a vet to prescribe Winstrol Southern NY Region...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy...
Thank you for the suggestion and the benefit of your experience with DB 
and Winstrol I guess I can understand their reticence if they can't 
configure their database to produce that information in a few moments ( 
of course they could be simply disinclined as well which really can't be 
held too much against them either if someone is not placeing an order : 
)   Short sighted Yes... but understandable.
I am going to be gearing up soon ( I expect) for another Winstrol push 
as my Yogi is losing weight and temp is rising I've spent so much 
money on the opthalmologist and eye meds I've been holding off on 
additional blood work but can't wait any longer.   Amani... if you 
happen to read this can you remind me of the reference ( location) for 
the study that recommended against Stanazol due to Liver Enzyme 
abnormalities. also...did you locate other studies studies 
recommending against Winstrol for the same reason.   I would like to 
be able to say with "some" authority that the Liver connection relative 
to the potential for Hgb Hct Platelet improvement makes it well worth 
the risk..   More on this later...



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Hi Robert -- I did call Diamond Back Drugs and asked if they could 
provide the names/contact information for vets who were willing to 
prescribe Winstrol and they said could not do that because they work 
with so many vets and clients from all over, and they figured it would 
be just too much of a task for them. They are very nice to work with 
though, so possibly if someone called and said for instance, do you 
know of a vet in the Cincinnati area that I could go to, maybe they 
would recommend someone. When I needed Winstrol for Tigger I changed 
vets because the one would not work with me on it. The new vet, I sort 
of stepped out of my usual passive self and announced rather boldly 
that this is what I wanted and if they weren't going to work with me, 
I would not be using them. I was polite but firm, and it worked.


Ardy


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Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol

Randy...

Yes... you DO have a good vet... or a least one that is willing to 
think outside the litter box..
I am getting VERY frustrated and soon very angry at the unwillingness 
of my local vets to have anything to do with Winstrol  I can not 
comprehend a  vet having NO reasonable alternative for a dying animal 
and STILL being unwilling to prescribe a drug that has shown efficacy 
with this diseaseIf my boy starts to go downhill from anemia 
and the vet still won't prescribe there is going to be a scene...
At the prices now being charged for Veterinary services I expect a LOT 
MORE than I am getting at this point...


Have been looking at International sources for the drug and on various 
bodybuilding sites but these are mostly B.S and one can not be sure if 
he is getting the real drug


I recall there being some discussion about  contacting Diamond Back 
and asking for vets that have requested the drug.  Did anyone in 
he forum ever do this ???  I don't recall.It's worth a try 
I've used them for other drugs that I have ordered through the shelter 
where I volunteer



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Sherri...

I don't know if it is possible to, perhaps, format the data differently 
but I am having a difficult time
reading the Blood results...they are all running togetheralso 
are the data on the right the older and getting newer as we move to the 
left??  A shame this site doesn't ( at least to my knowledge) have a 
function for making a table ( or including a table when posting) it 
would make matters a LOT easier...
BTW... While I understand your concerns re: Bogey on balance... 
She's looking pretty darn good for a FeLV Kitty...    If my boys blood 
values were that good I'd be quite pleased ( apart from the notable 
LIver Values). Hang in there...



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Today These look worse PG 2

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Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It 
seems

like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn?t showing any
jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues 
with
balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but 
it
doesn?t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are 
not

better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
 GLU 74-159 122 125 178
 BUN 16-36 21 14 23
 CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA  19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
 CA 7.8-11.3   9.8  TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12-130 581 192 237
 ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
 GGT 0-4   8   TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65-225   170  AMYL 500-1500   842
 LIPA 100-1400   255
 NA 150-165   158   K 3.5-5.8   3.4   NA/K46   CL 112-129   114 
OSM CALC318 Sherri



From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke Reply-To:  Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that 
performance with

our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk wrote:
Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself 
instead of
sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good 
except her
red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As 
well as him
being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I 
read
that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her 
home
last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to 
start her
back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like 
it might
be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for 
even a
week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone 
is

interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!

   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
 NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
 LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
 MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
 EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
 BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
 PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50






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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey, Temptations and Lipidosis...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I don't ever assume there is anything truly amiss with either of my boys 
appetites UNTIL they won't eat Temptations Chicken Treats   I am 
certain that whatever they put in those things would be illegal in the 
Human World  It's bizarre... my cats will take them over ACTUAL 
chicken... They contain very little that I would want my cats eating 
as a significant part of their diet but each gets a least 10 of them 
each day ( Yogi...as a reward for being a good boy with the ridiculous 
number of meds I have to  give him to try to get his eyes functional 
again... and my other boy " Jelly "... so that he doesn't simply push 
Yogi out of the way and eat his treats


I don't recall if you had mentioned Bogey's weight??   Lipidosis is far 
more common with overweight cats than proper or underweight felines ( 
otherwise every feral that does not have access to a reliable food 
source would be suffering the disease).   I'm sorry your little one 
has had so many issues... but... with your help and persistent attention 
he appears to keep bouncing back  It's very heartening...


I don't know if our little "charges" appreciate what we do for them but 
I like to think that they somehow realize that their lives became quite 
a bit safer and more comfortable since making our acquaintance  : )



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Sherri ? she?ll be fine without the Winstrol and Doxy for a week. The 
Winstrol is much more long acting than that. She might be down a few 
points on her haematocrit or red cell counts, but as I indicated, she 
has a significant cushion on her numbers, so I wouldn?t be concerned.


Re the hearing loss, even if she can hear that doesn?t mean that there 
isn?t damage to the ear. It isn?t the hearing component that causes 
vertigo when it is damaged.


You are being impatient! Last week, you thought she was going to die. 
This week you have to beat her off with a stick so she doesn?t eat all 
the Temptations. She is fine, and your vet will be happy since it 
sounds like he too thought there was nothing to be done for her. As 
for the Temptations, my cats LOVE them and I wouldn?t be without them 
(no matter how good or bad they may be ? it would be like saying no 
more ice cream ever because it is OBVIOUSLY bad for us).


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Sherri Godschalk

Sent: December-17-16 5:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

As always Amani, thanks for the reply. I am always impatient about 
these things I know. She was very sick and doubt that I would be back 
to normal after one week either. She can hear because she responds 
sometimes, but sometimes she doesn?t. Hopefully since her numbers were 
not through the ceiling this will resolve with time and love. I don?t 
think she is in pain, she is letting me pet her ears and the dog has 
been grooming her there and she doesn?t seem to mind. just kind of out 
of it. She is better after resting so I have been not waking her to 
eat since she is doing plenty of that now. I have given her a couple 
of Temptations treats. The beef flavor. She wants more and I think she 
would eat the whole bag. (I saw her trying to get the bag open today) 
I have read good and bad things about them. Do you have an opinion?


We go back in on Tuesday for blood tests. Am wondering how she is 
doing not being on the Winstrol, doxy or pred for over a week. I will 
let you all know. Thanks again for helping us through this tough time.


From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley >
Reply-To: >
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:50 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

Sherri

High levels of jaundice (bilirubin) can cause brain damage and hearing 
loss (ear damage) if left untreated for too long, but I think you were 
on top of things pretty quickly with Bogey. I think the effects will 
fade with time. Do not 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani et al

Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia in 
a FeLV catGot a call on Yogi's  Most Recent Bloodwork and the vet 
states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia  I was taken aback and 
didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear that she felt 
it was time to put the little guy down.   I am at the end of my 
money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of other vets hoping 
one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that is showing itself to 
be effective with others cats...( I don't think I am going to get a lot 
of cooperation from the Vet I was using after I gave her my opinion of 
her unwillingness to help me through unconventional means).Nor can I 
afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and more definitive narrowing of the 
parameters of his drop in blood values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all 
gone from the office)   As much as I would like to save this little 
guy... He has so many other things wrong with him that I don't know that 
I am doing him any favors. Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full 
pound in the last 6 months If it weren't for the fact that he is 
still eating heartily I'd put him down Without further treatment is 
it kinder to put him down or allow nature to take it's course??.The 
idea of him suffering from an inability to get enough O2 is 
unacceptable
any suggestions are welcome but... please...  no admonitions re: 
what I _ should_ do.    I have learned an immense amount from this 
experience and will NOT repeat it...  My other boy is still doing OK and 
I WILL find someone eventually that is willing to work with me..




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Randy

The news is good. Whatever works. I am a big believer in keeping close 
tabs on the bloodwork and adjusting the medication, depending on what 
the lab results show.


Given that Curley is eating and you are getting an improvement on the 
red cells already, I agree that the Winstrol and Doxy should help even 
more. Keep track of the blood work and adjust accordingly.


Amani

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The situation with Curly is getting a bit more complicated but in a 
good way. Her blood work a week ago showed an RBC of 9 which is 
critically low. White cell count was 3.1. After one week of Prednisone 
her white cell count is 3.7 which is the low end of normal and her red 
blood cell count is up to 13 which is still very low but a very 
significant increase in just one week. So the Prednisone alone is 
making a big difference. We've now had two positive ELISA tests, a 
negative IFA and severe anemia that is responding well to just 
Prednisone. I am very confused. Even our vet seems surprised by the 
sudden improvement in her numbers. He thinks we should do a bone 
marrow biopsy for a definitive FELV diagnosis but I don't really want 
to put her through that procedure.
We did start the Winstrol a day ago so I would think that could only 
help more. We should be tapering down the Prednisone dose at this time 
but our vet now wants to continue the full dosage for another two 
weeks before running another CBC. And the Doxy will be started on 
Monday. I'm beginning to think she might pull out of this crisis and 
we might have a little more time with her.


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Ardy Robertson > wrote:
Best of luck to you with Curly  just wanted to mention there are 
appetite stimulant pills available. One that I remember that I used 
with Tigger was Mirtazapine and I only had to give a small part of a 
pill every 3 days. Amani knows of another one but I can?t remember the 
name of it.


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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you Amani and Ardy for thinking of me   I am located in a part 
of NYS called Southern Orange County... The largest nearby towns are 
Middletown, Monroe,Newburgh but I'd be willing to travel a distance for 
a chance at a real result ( eg The Vet Opthalmologist I am using is 
50 miles away)... NYC is 60 miles from me. Problem is that soon my 
time availability is going to be compromised by my need to return to 
work in order to afford the basics of life.  I know for some a few 
thousand dollars is not much but for me in retirement it comprises a 
very large portion of my living expenses for a few months ( I 
do...after all, have a couple of needs of my own as wellsuch as food 
and gas and a mortgage to pay  : )
Any assistance you could lend would be well appreciated   I've done 
more than a bit of asking around but am not well connected enough in 
this "other" medical world yet to have confidence that I won't be 
wasting still more money to hear crap that I already know 10 times 
over.  Kind of the same conundrum as my going to a new MD for a drug 
I've been on for 40 years He knows nothing about it but I need HIS 
sig to  get it and until he knows me he's not going to trust that I know 
what I'm talking about... or if he's really full of himself may not take 
the time to listen to whether I even do It's THAT kind of money 
wasting I am no longer willing to do Please forgive the building 
frustration but being held captive by someones prescription pad while 
their brain is too closed to allow me a chance at saving my little boy 
is REALLY working on me    Winstrol,Doxy and Pred in combo don't 
come near the price of one Bone Marrow aspiration and are a heck of a 
lot cheaper than Epopoieten which is of little use in a non regenerative 
anemia Don't tell me there's nothing tha you CAN do when it's 
actually that there is nothing that you WILL do. Ok... I'll stop


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Bob

At 14 haematocrit, you've got a ways to go before your boy is in 
crisis. I know you have tried everything Bob, and you are struggling 
with costs, but if you could find a vet to prescribe the drug 
combination we have discussed, would you do it? It isn?t all that 
expensive really. If you tell me or Ardy directly , where you are 
located, we can try to find a vet through Diamond Back compounding 
pharmacy. I know how attached you are to your little boy, and frankly, 
if he is still eating, I wouldn?t give up on him yet.


Amani

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Amani et al

Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia 
in a FeLV catGot a call on Yogi's? Most Recent Bloodwork and the 
vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia? I was taken 
aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear 
that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.?? I am at 
the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of 
other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that 
is showing itself to be effective with others cats...( I don't think I 
am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using after I 
gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through 
unconventional means).Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and 
more definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood 
values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)?? As 
much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many other 
things wrong with him that I don't know that I a
 m doing him any favors. Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full 
pound in the last 6 months If it weren

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 60

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

If I could find a vet that I KNEW would prescribe the med combination I 
need and not charge me for a dozen visits before doing so I would 
DEFINITELY do it...  It's very strange for me to be part of this 
Veterinary world now  where my word holds no sway after years in the 
Human medical world where I needed only ask an MD colleague for anything 
I needed and " price free " would have a script in hand in moments  
Yeah, I get that stanazol is a scheduled drug but the risk to the vet 
can't be all that large given the ridiculously small dosages we're 
talking about..   I am getting progressively more and more 
frustrated and angry about having MY OWN and my animals very lives held 
captive by " business" men and women who are ( more often than not) 
either disinclined to step outside their comfort zone or simply do not 
care enough to try harder ( all while charging us plenty to NOT provide 
what we need and want)  I would also like the opportunity to "Educate" 
those vets who refused  to prescribe Winstrol/Doxy/Pred and recommended 
that my cat be either Euthanized or allowed to fade away because there 
was really nothing they could do, definitively,to prolong his life 
to send pictures of a functional cat that they would have had dead on a 
table had I listened and urge that they rethink their priorities when 
another pet owner comes to them hoping to get more time with the little 
friend they love What are they there for ANYWAY!!  It's not like the 
old days where a vet visit was the price of a sandwich and you didn't 
have to remortgage your house to take quality care of a pet.  This 
is simply UNACCEPTABLE...



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Bob

At 14 haematocrit, you've got a ways to go before your boy is in 
crisis. I know you have tried everything Bob, and you are struggling 
with costs, but if you could find a vet to prescribe the drug 
combination we have discussed, would you do it? It isn?t all that 
expensive really. If you tell me or Ardy directly , where you are 
located, we can try to find a vet through Diamond Back compounding 
pharmacy. I know how attached you are to your little boy, and frankly, 
if he is still eating, I wouldn?t give up on him yet.


Amani

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Amani et al

Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia 
in a FeLV catGot a call on Yogi's? Most Recent Bloodwork and the 
vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia? I was taken 
aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear 
that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.?? I am at 
the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of 
other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that 
is showing itself to be effective with others cats...( I don't think I 
am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using after I 
gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through 
unconventional means).Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and 
more definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood 
values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)?? As 
much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many other 
things wrong with him that I don't know that I a
 m doing him any favors. Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full 
pound in the last 6 months If it weren't for the fact that he is 
still eating heartily I'd put him down Without further treatment 
is it kinder to put him down or allow nature to take it's 
course??.The idea of him suffering from an inability to get enough 
O2 is unacceptable
any suggestions 

[Felvtalk] Re. Nutrition

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sherri
I wouldn't be worrying so much about her having the "perfect" diet so 
much as seeing that she eats _ something_ whatever it is.    It will be 
harder on her liver to NOT eat than to process kibble ( rule of thumb 
for me is that many generations of ferals ( and people!!) have managed 
to survive on less than optimal diets..worry less ...experiment more.   
 I've fed my little guy every thing from cracker crumbs to mouse pieces 
to keep his weight up.. If he'll eat... he gets it. my _ go to_ 
usual is puréed meat baby food laced with powdered temptations 
treats.. when he won't eat that I know I have a problem and I have 
to supplement with syringe.   This little guy has been ill from the time 
he was born and it doesn't look as though it is EVER going to let 
up.. Fever and lethargy and losing weight again despite good 
appetite
So more blood work tomorrow that I can ill afford.  If I ever take home 
another felv it will have to be a foster


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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Bogeys Blood Test Today (Sherri Godschalk)
  2. Food and Nutrition for FELV (Sherri Godschalk)
  3. Re: Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2
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Thank you Robert. I post that table with her results right out of 
excel.
Sometimes it runs together on mine too. I have put this on Google 
Sheets
so I can view it at work too. Here is a link if you would like to see 
it.



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/174GWHyj34zZlky9jdU_9TUBz1leosJGvkZO
qFY_d3Cw/edit?usp=sharing

Good luck with your boy too.


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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I hope this doesn't sound disrespectful... but I'm perplexed at all the 
talk of  whether or not an animal has or does NOT have the virus at 8, 
10 and 12 years old...   If an animal has lived this long it would 
appear that he/she has a much milder form of the virus or a variant 
about which little is known.  In truth though your cats have 
already defied he odds and despite the sadness of having them ( 
potentially) have several years of life curtailed you will have had them 
longer than the many Healthy cats I had a a youngster when it was not 
uncommon for cats to die from any number of causes well before they were 
10  years old. If my boys live until 8 or 10 I will consider it 
miraculous!!..   The kind of FeLV+ that REALLY concerns me is the 
kind that my own boys have passed from the Queen established to 
have moved into their marrow in the first 7 months of their 
lives...Symptomatic from the time they were Kittens   One looking ( 
yes there IS a "look" severely affected FeLV+ cats can have)  very much 
like a cat that simply is not going to last very long it is heart 
wrenching to hold his little 5.8 lb body and feel all his ribs and 
backbone despite his eating heartily He is barely a year and one 
half and has already had IBD, Uveitis,Melting Corneal Ulcer, Keratitis, 
Multiple bouts of  Rhinitis, He is 70% blind.  I won't go on...  If 
he weren't not in obvious pain I would have put him down by now... 
but... he is a good natured little boy who still loves his food and his 
treats and curls up with me to keep warm because his body weight is so 
low.  I can't tell you how happy it would make me to have him show 
weight gain or be able to play again...( He's been able to play perhaps 
one month of the time I've had him and his brother can't understand why 
he can't play and still attacks him hoping to have a partner in his 
games..   this is not what I expected when I adoped these boys but I 
learned quickly..  may really have to foster another FeLV+ just so 
the healthier one leaves my disabled one alone. I've learned 
quite a lot about the variants of FeLV since coming to this group but 
honestly..  when I adopted these boys I never DREAMED of their 
living to 8 years old and it seems quite a lot of people here are 
discussing  cats in that age range..  I'm having a hard time even 
internalizing that as FeLV...    Just wondering if there are many in the 
group that have cats whose lives are being curtailed at VERY young ages 
by this damnable Disease!!!



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I think that there are many unknowns and that the virus can live in 
many forms.  I have had my cat for almost 8 years.  The last Elisa 
test on her before I took her in, at about 3 months, was negative 
(after an initial positive test).  At the time I already had a cat 
(1.5 yo) who was negative.  I was assured that she was negative and 
would not have Felv. They are both indoor cats and are not exposed to 
others.   So why after having her for so long,  does she now test 
Elisa positive and IFA negative?  Has the virus been dormant for 8 
years?  I have researched on Internet and it seems that there are many 
unknowns.


It would have been impossible for me to separate my cats after 8 years 
together and the stress of keeping them apart would have been hard on 
them and me.  So they live together and my other cat is fine so far 
(he is vaccinated).


  I found the following on the website of the SNap test manufacturer 
about discordant results and found the comment about true status not 
being known to be interesting.



this is an ELISA-positive and IFA-negative status. Discordant results 
may be due to the stage of infection, the variability of host 
responses, or technical problems with testing. The status of the cat 
with discordant results may eventually become clear by repeating both 
tests in 60 d and yearly thereafter until the test results agree. 
Unfortunately, a substantial number of these patients have 
persistently 

Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi...and decisions to be made...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy, Amani, Margo Sandy Lorrieeveryone who has responded..   
it's so nice to not feel completely alone in making these decisions and 
to profit from the experience and thoughts of others on this matter.  It 
worries me terribly how limited the choices become for saving a cats 
life when one is impeded by fiscal concerns.  I had many cats when 
younger and never had to decide between getting the furnace cleaned or 
buying still another medicine for my catethical dilemnas abound. 
Do I hold off on getting the brakes fixed and try still another vet and 
hope he willl prescribe what I need Blood work even bi weekly at 60+ 
dollars along with all the meds he's still getting etc.. Mind you I 
would blow it all for a
GUARANTEE of several more months with my little guy but I'm trying to 
put a price tag on hopeand this becomes VERY difficult when a 
formerly 7 pound energetic little cat stumbles into your lap every time 
you sit down... now 5 lbs 6 oz's, skin and bones with a pronounced 
Cataract over his right eye... a tiny little mew that was always his 
trademark and walks in circles for minutes trying to find the place that 
is most comfortable and warm ( You know how hard it is to pet a 
collectiion of skin and bones??  I try to focus on his head because 
it is the only part of him that feels normal..   The little guy 
appears to be having problems thermoregulating since his Body Mass is so 
reduced and he has a fever. so I now have a heating pad set up on 
the bed ( and of course the other bigger guy commandeers it as soon as 
yogi moves elsewhere for a moment..   He's still alive, still eating 
and using the litter box but it disturbs me no end that he might die 
while I am NOT there and I'm spending WAY more time around the house 
than I should and sleeping less than I should because I don't want him 
alone when he passes ( this...WAY more for me than for him as I suspect 
it is not one of his prime concerns  I just want to be sure that he 
goes comfortably.
BTW I am lucky enough to have a vet ( she is a " holistic vet" and 
does little allopathic practice) who consults at the shelter who will 
put him down if the time comes that this is necessary...in a comfortable 
" non medicinal smelling room over at the shelter where he has been seen 
before. It's not nearly as traumatic as going all the way to the 
other vet ( a half hour drive).
Thanks for all your well wishes.  I'm not a big believer in miracles 
but that doesn't stop me from hoping for one...


Bob in Warwick NY


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Hi Robert,
I'm so sorry it might be coming to the end for your little sweetie. 
When I lost my Tigger, I could not decide what to do either. By the 
time I was ready to call the vet to put him down, they were closed, 
and their emergency answering service said they were all over an hour 
away, so they were not available, and in the end - it ended up being 
the best solution. We held Tigger and he felt comfortable with us. He 
hated going to the vet and was afraid, and I did not like putting him 
through it at this most critical time. He passed within a few minutes, 
and was comfortable and not afraid with us talking to him, telling him 
how much we loved him. Of course it was horrible for us, but in this 
situation, it turned out to be better for him to be at home. But 
whatever decision you make, it will be the best one because you have 
done so much for your fur-babies, they love and appreciate you.

Ardy


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Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated n

Re: [Felvtalk] Little Mo

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sheri.
I could not BE more sorry to hear this... it is SO close to my heart as 
well and has been from the time you started to write about little MO.   
Thank you so much for giving your love and care to this unfortunate 
little guy...  it's so hard to accept this level of injustice sometimes 
and the only comfort _ I _ get is when lovely people like yourself step 
in and try to give help and comfort to these lovely creatures...
I lost the Battle with my little Jelly very early in the AM on Monday 
and it was not an easy passing  I wish that I had not held on as 
long  If little mo is uncomfortable I would definitely suggest that 
you euthanize him lest he die uncomfortably.  but... that is 
obviously coming from a person who is still feeling guilty that he 
waiting too long himself.    I know how hard you have been trying 
and I have immense respect for your giving heart and compassion for the 
little creatures who have no one but us( and the many other animal 
caretakers out there)... to look out for them   Whatever else you 
feel...know that you should value your pure heart.


Bob


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I hope little Mo passes soon.Not that I want Mo to be gone but I 
want you to be able to actually grieve his loss rather than be subjected 
to the pain of wondering each day if THIS is the day and worrying if he 
is going to die while you are away from him. I don't know that they 
sense our presence when they are this ill and close to the end of their 
lives but I know it made ME feel better to be with my guys holding them 
for as many hours as I could while they were near the end.  I hope 
you , too, are able to be physically connected to your little Mo when he 
leaves his little body..   I am comforted for Mo that he has you 
caring this much that his last moments have a much quality as you can 
provide

Bob

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   1. Re: Letting go of Mo (Sheri Burbridge)
   2. Re: Mo (Sheri Burbridge)
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   4. Re: Letting go of Mo (Christine Dundas)
   5. Holding on... (Jennifer Olson)
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From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
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Thank you all for your kind words and support. It means so much to me
during this painful time.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:54 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:

I am so sorry Sheri. You did everything possible. And you?re right. 
It is
beyond unfair that these innocent beings should suffer and die like 
this.




Amani



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Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my
daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his
buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort 
care.




We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really 
see
the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first 
started
slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this 
knowledge

for Violet.



My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair.
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Thank you Jen, I need all the strength I can get!

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:36 PM Jennifer Olson  wrote:

Thoughts & prayers for your strength. Mo will be completely healthy 
soon-

just missing you til you are reunited once more.
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Sheri
There is no better ending for our little friends than to die in the 
arms of those who loved them... and no better ending for us as 
well.
Mo deserves to not have his end be a repetition of his beginnings...I 
realize that I am not the most objective fellow in the world at the 
moment but ,having had my little yogi die with me holding him ... 
passing quietly and peacefully was a comfort for me. No quess 
workhether it was the right time. No yanking him from his home, to be 
put in a carrier and exposed to a stressful car ride.. placed on a 
metal table to meet his end in a strange place. Whenever possible this 
IS the way to go

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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:35:47 -0400
From: Christine Dundas To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sheri..
I don't think I need to tell you that I REALLY feel for your 
struggle  I love that you have made a little place for mo where he 
can look out onto the outside world , feel the sun and look at the other 
little creatures ( that he would likely kill and eat if he had the 
chancelets be real : )   but  I still LOVE to see them show 
interest in the world around them... it helps us to "stay the 
course".   I have NO idea if our little charges have any 
appreciation of what we do for them or even if it makes a difference 
that make a comfortable safe sunny area for them at our homes...  I need 
to do it for ME...  I can't stand the idea of any creature dying unloved 
and unattended even IF they themselves don't even know it TO be so... 
Right this minute I have Jelly on two syringes of Buphenorphine and am 
hoping that he dies at home so that I don't have to take him someplace 
unfamiliar in order to save him from further discomfort  Tonight he 
began mouth breathing and meowing pathetically after I moved him and it 
is clear that he is very uncomfortable...  He's unstable on his 
feet...eating and drinking and using the litter box not at all and 
unless he perks up substantially I'm going to  try to help him out of 
this world tomorrow.. I HATE having to make this decision but... for 
these last 12 hours he has been a cat without ANY quality of life and 
the show of discomfort just makes it impossible for me to overlook it 
and hope for the best any longer..  Hoping for a miracle in the 
later morning...

Keep at it with little mo  perhaps you will have better fortune

Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sheri...
You make a good point...  I'd need someones help to visualize the inside 
of his mouth( any time I open his mouth or mess with his gums he 
interprets it as nasty medicine coming his way or being " forced" to 
take in nutrition...  I know the vet I took him to did not check his 
mouth  I can't speak about the vet that the shelter took him to for 
the original incorrect Dx( He certainly SHOULD have checked his mouth as 
the presenting complaint was that he was not eating... but can't say for 
sure.   I'm inclined to think that this is not the limiting factor  as 
he doesn't really even show an interest in food and the food that is 
made available to him right now is VERY easy on his mouth ( ie.. does 
not require any substantive chewing) That said...  I will keep this in 
the forfront of my brain as something to pay more attention to.    
I'm in a race against time with this little guy as he is losing weight 
rather quickly( which can be the virus alone... but his failure to take 
in adequate calories is exacerbating the situation..   Today his 
high spots were even higher but his low times were even lower ( if that 
makes any sense)... eg... He ate a little and was more sociable for a 
brief while but when he was over that he really wanted to be left 
alone  I don't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do save 
for brooking NO opposition when it comes to taking his Winstrol Doxy and 
Pred and at least 30 CC of Baby Food and additional fluids if he is not 
drinking much ( like today)...  I'm going to try to get him some SubQ 
fluids over at the shelter tomorrow... He's slowing down on his 
drinking.
I tell Jelly how everyone is rooting for him  : ) Strangely he does 
not appear moved by this news  : )


Bob


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   2. Re: Jelly.. (Sheri Burbridge)
   3. Re: Jelly.. (dlg...@windstream.net)
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:14:52 -0500
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SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long 
enough

for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly!
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Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when 
things go
well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with 
Jelly
today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are 
all my

kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals.

I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you 
checked
Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet 
compared
to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving 
Mo

tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just
thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with 
something

like that too?

I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to 
work

for Jelly from here!

Sheri

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to 
me
that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we 
can
develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to 
me

are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )
it is that much more painful
I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming 
and
pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting 
me
to brush his sides and backafter that he actually ate a little 
bit

of baby food off a plate I had to leave for a few hours and I was
hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the 
rest
of the baby food I left on the plate   I don't know which bothers 
me
more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just 
never
getting my hopes up?...  Whe

Re: [Felvtalk] Mo

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm so sorry Sheri... Mo was certainly lucky to have such a fine home 
for his brief little life...  You looked after him with love from the 
moment he came home with you until it was time to leave..  We can't give 
too much more than that..


Bob




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Re: [Felvtalk] Food, Bad Jokes, Good Vets

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

First... my apologies to those who did not get IMMEDIATELY that I was 
joking about using a knife to remove Jelly's fluid  I thought it 
would be a foregone conclusion anyone  one who takes the time to BE in 
this forum would ever do such a thing be it from cruelty or monumental 
stupidity   Such are the drawbacks of email communication...minus 
facial cues and voice tone...  there are only words on a page.


Re  FOOD:  This is argued perpetually even among vets and animal 
nutritionists... There is the " raw only" camp the don't EVER let 
your cat touch grain camp... The ONLY wet food camp... the Use Multiple 
sources of protein camp( don't stay with the same food camp vs...stay 
with the same food camp)ad nauseum.. I am personally an 
excellent human example of how genetics influences health... I am a 
walking heart attack ( apart from my tendency to like exercise and keep 
somewhat active).. On a limited budget now...and ,even when I had money, 
so seldom home.. I have been eating " wrong" my entire life.. Meanwhile 
a recent Cardiac Vessel Calcium test found my vessels 100% clear ( MD 
says I'm good for 10 more years minimum)... 3 friends that have eaten 
"right" for decades have recently been Dx'd with heart issues... 
Unfair...yes... but fact.    *** The only thing I can somewhat control 
that concerns me a lot is making sure that my cats get enough fluid so I 
try to be sure that they ( he) get some wet food daily in addition to 
the water he drinks Don't know that it's a deal breaker but it makes 
ME feel better.
I also subscribe to keeping grains to a minimum since cats are obligate 
carnivores... I doubt that grains are going to kill them but why force 
their bodies to learn to digest something they were not constructed to 
utilize unless you really cannot afford better quality cat food... When 
my family had the most cats ( when I was young) there WERE no such 
specialty cat foods and I had a few VERY healthy cats ( all of them were 
indoor/outdoor kitties so some were taken before their time) who all ate 
the same garbage cat food ( puss'n boots from a can...later tender 
vittles.. and other high grain content foods) and lived to 20 years 
old...  In the shelter our cats are all fed the same diet 
initiallysome thrive... others develop diseases within months on 
Science Diet ( their non specialty mid range general cat food)... So... 
I buy the best food I can afford ( and that they will eat) and hope for 
the best... currently my boy ( formerly my boys) is on grain free 
Natural Balance Pea and Venison ( not cheap) and Friskies Pate in the 
evening ( my guy will NOT eat any of the high end canned food I offer 
him and I went through a year of spending LOTS of money trying 
everything so that my sick cat Yogi would eat wet food that had some 
medicine mixed in... Baby Food at 109.00 a night... chicken, pork etc... 
that I cooked myself) Neither would touch " quality" wet food...  Now my 
remaining guy LOVES friskies pate and I LOVE that it costs 50cents a 
can!!!... plus I toss him a bit of whatever meat I might be eating on 
those occassions that I eat meat at home. Point is... I don't think 
that diet( unless it's particularly horrible)  is going to make THE 
difference in a cats health and to not beat yourself up if you can't 
afford the BEST OF THE BEST... Most of the human population cannot 
afford to eat Doctor recommended diets unless they have fruit trees in 
their back yards and a year round vegetable garden... and if you also 
want to go organic...Hell...why not just buy a second house!!!
LAST on the listVets.   I really like the idea of posting the names 
and whereabouts of Vets that we are all pleased with but MUCH more 
interested in learning who the vets are that are willing to prescribe 
Winstrol...  I like my vet just fine but she's close minded about 
Winstrol and that concerns me no end...



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Re: [Felvtalk] Fluid in Lungs or Airway...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello All:

My remaining boy ( Magellin aka  " Jelly " ) has some kind of fluid 
either in his lungs or in his trachea... The oddest thing is that 
despite my hearing it ALL the time ( and even frequently cupping him to 
get him to cough and clear it a bit) 2 Vets have failed to hear it ( 
and... in fact... it seems to disappear when I've taken him somewhere to 
"show" them what I'm talking about)... possibly adrenaline from being 
anxious about being in the car and a new environment dries it up 
temporarily.. just like we get dry mouths when we are scared??  It 
concerns me even though it's not currently causing him a lot of 
distress it's just very disconcerting when I hear him gurgling as he 
eats his dinner or as he sleeps because I simply don't know what it is 
and if there is something I should be addressing before it gets 
worse...   When I first got him he appeared to have an asthma like 
condition with multiple attacks of a kind of " hacking"  each day  
Interestingly that was last March as well ( when I first got him 
almost to the day today. along his little but older "brother" who 
lasted just under a year with me despite many many trips to vets and 
multiple meds nearly the entire time I had him  I call him little 
because he failed to thrive from the  get go...a poster cat for bad 
FeLV)   I still feel his loss and I will be devastated if I were to lose 
this guy over something I could have done something about.   The 
asthma like condition went away after I gave the rugs a thorough 
cleaning, moved all the furniture away from the walls and vacuumed and 
cleaned... got rid of as much dust as I could I did so many damn 
things I'd be hard pressed to know which ( if any) were the most 
useful...could have been simply that when I was finally able to open the 
windows THAT did it...   All that said just wondering if anyone has 
had such symptoms with a cat ( sounds like one of us might sound after a 
bad chest cold just as the mucuus is loosening up... but instead of 
getting better it simply stays at the same level    Anyone have 
experience with using nebulizers with cats ( and yes I've done the 
bathroom shower thing...  thats a bit wasteful)    I'm actually 
wondering about these new " Vape things... ie... if I were to add a 
small dose of medication to it  they produce a HUGE amount of vapor 
and could be a LOT cheaper than a nebulizer.  Wondering also if 
anyone has ever given a cat a small dose of a mucolytic medication with 
what result.??? Ultimately I'll do a chest Xray but... these are 
rather pricey and it's spring "wedding" time now  another cash 
outlay Though I won't hold off if it gets worse... I've just been 
home a LOT lately and have been hearing it all day long many days
The little guy is still playful , energetic, eats well ,poops and pees 
normally and is his same ultra sociable self... I just don't want to 
ignore something I really should possible be paying more attention 
to.


thanks for any suggestions and experience...

Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Innoculations...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'd be very careful about not spaying a FeLV positive cat...  I'm 
curious about this assertion that all have died within a week??  If that 
were a general outcome I think more of us would have heard about it ( we 
have spayed and neutered 10 cats at the shelter where I volunteer in the 
last year and none have diedlikewise with innoculations)   I 
wanted my boy to have his rabies Vaccination because he periodically 
catches mice that manage to find their way into my second floor condo 
AND because it is illegal to not do so in NYS ( some vets will refuse to 
see cats that have not had rabies vaccination)...  I held off on the 
PanLeuk booster... Instead did a Titre ( 111.00 for the Titre  would 
have been a LOT cheaper to vaccinate)... but vet now says he's good for 
at least 3 years...
I really don't like the idea of not spaying or neutering FeLV cats...  
one unfortunate unintended pregnancy could add several positive unwanted 
kittens to the population and that would be just too sad  Life is so 
seldom happy for FeLV kitties. our cats are the exception rather 
than the rule...


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The first thing I do when a new cat comes to me is spay or neuter, 
especially a male, makes him less agressive and cuts down on spraying. 
If he does spry, Jackson Galaxy has a product that really works!  I 
use it for urine, vomit and it really newutralizews the odor.  First 
though, I do not want to be responsible for unwanted kittens so I 
spay/neuter.  At first, for a few years, everyone else gets vaccine 
for FELV.  Especially after the cat is at least 4 or 5 years, they do 
not seem to pass it on to others.  I have had as many as 10 cats in 
the house and no transmission of the disease.  Maybe I have been 
lucky.  Annie still shows positive, but she is 9 years and no one else 
has become positive.


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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 13:53:58 -0500
From: Marlene Snowman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Are you suggesting giving the vaccine to a cat (in my case 1.5) that 
has tested positive but no outward signs of the virus ?  I too haven't 
spayed her as my vet suggests that every cat she has spayed/neutered 
that was positive died within a week. I made the decision based on 
that to not spay so as not risk that. The vet has also recommended no 
vaccines as they are live virus and because of the positive testing 
recommended not providing any of those.

Marlene
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The first thing I do when a new cat comes to me is spay or neuter, 
especially a male, makes him less agressive and cuts down on 
spraying.  If he does spry, Jackson Galaxy has a product that really 
works!  I use it for urine, vomit and it really newutralizews the 
odor.  First though, I do not want to be responsible for unwanted 
kittens so I spay/neuter.  At first, for a few years, everyone else 
gets vaccine for FELV.  Especially after the cat is at least 4 or 5 
years, they do not seem to pass it on to others.  I have had as many 
as 10 cats in the house and no transmission of the disease.  Maybe I 
have been lucky.  Annie still shows positive, but she is 9 years and 
no one else has become positive.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Figaro...

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Jenny...
Are you thinking of bringing him to a shelter??...  If I were you I 
would research FeLV rescues/Sanctuaries.  Depending upon in what part of 
the country you reside you_ might_ be able to work something out.  I 
realize how difficult/frustrating it can be caring for an animal that is 
both needful and uncooperative  If memory serves... this is the 
little boy that you have reservations about integrating with your other 
cats??    If this is the one , I believe, our general feeling was 
that you would be better off ( rather than going the frustrating route 
of isolating him from all the others) to innoculate the others ( if they 
are adult) and integrating him  But... if that makes you 
uncomfortable and the current arrangement is not working for you... 
looking for alternative arrangements might be the next step



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Alright-  Figaro just pee'd on my bed right- next to me- after I 
cleaned
box (and then his paws because he made loose poop & got litter ETC on 
the
bed) caught him in the act. He hasn't been neutered yet. I threw my 
bedding
into washer, sprayed bed with "Nature's Miracle- No Spray" & resolved 
I am

NOT remaking bed...
I can hear him crying, like he does when I AM there trying to go to 
sleep.

Overnight is the biggest lump of time I can be with him so he isn't
COMPLETELY isolated, alone I hate this.
Do I just go to bed now upstairs, or TRY to lay in a dry spot with new
blankets?
='~{

On Mar 1, 2017 4:26 PM,  wrote:


AMEN TO THAT!  I especially get angry that they do not consider
alternative medicine a viable tratment.  Unless I get a broken arm, I 
first
try alternative meds.  I have not had a flu shot for over 8 years and 
have
not had a cold or flu.  I use ginger, turmeric, garlic, onion, 
cinnamon as
my anti flu meds.  I just wish we knew more about animals (cats) and 
herbs,

which is safe or not safe to use.  Then when something comes up on a
weekend/holiday and I cannot et my cat to the vet, I would be able to 
start

treatment  until I can get to a vet.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

Amani...


If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses 
of

other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial
infection is going to require a longer period of time to have 
whatever

non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection
necessarily)...  So little research money appears to be devoted to 
FeLV

that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the
continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this 
day

and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved
pets) alter this course.I STILL bristle when I think of the 
closed

minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that
businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into 
now
that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health 
Systems")..

hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus
side with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast 
to
the lost art of " professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right. 
Vets

will be forced, in the future, to work more closely with the "
customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less 
common
as time goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers 
they
want until such time as Vet services become so expensive that 
insurance

becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of medicine (
ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners...
againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go 
before
that happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity 
happening
NOW and for the next few  years for people to have some real 
influence
on how Vets practi

Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...

If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of 
other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial 
infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever 
non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection 
necessarily)...  So little research money appears to be devoted to FeLV 
that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the 
continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this day 
and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved 
pets) alter this course.    I STILL bristle when I think of the closed 
minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that 
businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now 
that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health Systems").. 
hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus 
side with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast to 
the lost art of " professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right.  Vets 
will be forced, in the future, to work more closely with the " 
customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less common 
as time goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers they 
want until such time as Vet services become so expensive that insurance 
becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of medicine ( 
ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners... 
againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go before 
that happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity happening 
NOW and for the next few  years for people to have some real influence 
on how Vets practice   I am betting, for example, that had I had the 
money to go to a more " well to do " neighborhood where people are more 
demanding and better informed I could have found a vet to cooperate...  
Here in the "sticks" people just blindly accept what the vet has to say 
and they still enjoy the freedom of calling all the shots.   This 
WILL end over the next couple of years.  I learned a lot with this first 
experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT make again.


BTW  Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of 
Doxy... I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out 
there that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster 
with script pad businessmen  STILL I am also not advocating the the 
medically ill prepared take it upon themselves to decide that THEY will 
decide what is best for their animal... If we are going to go above and 
beyond our Vets advice it would best be with very sound reasoning and an 
EXCELLENT understanding of what we are doing and why.   Anything less 
and the community of Veterinary practitioners could easily dismiss our 
successes as "dumb luck" or ascribe them to " unknown" factors.  I 
think this is particularly important re: Winstrol/Pred/Doxy   I'd hate 
to see people going to their vets asking for this combination of drugs 
and really having an inadequate understanding of why they are asking for 
beyond the fact that it's been recommended on our forum...    For 
myself... I am clear on the Whys of Winstrol and Doxy ( though will be 
looking for more lit support on the RNA effects of Doxy) but not clear 
on the whys of the Pred.
Sorry for taking up so much space here but I'm having an " attack " of 
missing my little guy and am tremulous about being caught in the same 
position if I take in another FeLV as I am inclined to do






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Re: [Felvtalk] Fluid in Airway

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Funny you should mention that Jen because I DID have several recordings 
last season when the problem was substantially worse... Of course I 
couldn't locate them when I brought him to the vet...but that is the 
best answer to my dilemna...  The Sound is definitely pronounced enough 
to record well... The other day I stuck a large knife in his side to see 
if the fluid would come out but all I got was blood.my bad... really 
did little to help the problem
( I AM JUST KIDDING FOLKS!..HONEST !  : ) Looks like I have 
some homework to do again on Airway issues in Kitties...



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Hello,
 What antibiotics seem to help FELV cats the most?Also, my Charlie 
seems to

respond well to Predisolone. Longterm ?
Thank you in advance
Blessings
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Bob,
Have you tried to record the sounds of his breathing to replay for a 
vet?
Suppose you told them about past episodes & effects of thorough 
cleaning?

Jen

On Mar 6, 2017 8:33 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:




Hello All:

My remaining boy ( Magellin aka  " Jelly " ) has some kind of fluid 
either

in his lungs or in his trachea... The oddest thing is that despite my
hearing it ALL the time ( and even frequently cupping him to get him 
to
cough and clear it a bit) 2 Vets have failed to hear it ( and... in 
fact...
it seems to disappear when I've taken him somewhere to "show" them 
what I'm
talking about)... possibly adrenaline from being anxious about being 
in the
car and a new environment dries it up temporarily.. just like we get 
dry
mouths when we are scared??  It concerns me even though it's not 
currently
causing him a lot of distress it's just very disconcerting when I 
hear
him gurgling as he eats his dinner or as he sleeps because I simply 
don't
know what it is and if there is something I should be addressing 
before it
gets worse...   When I first got him he appeared to have an asthma 
like

condition with multiple attacks of a kind of " hacking"  each day
Interestingly that was last March as well ( when I first got him 
almost
to the day today. along his little but older "brother" who lasted 
just
under a year with me despite many many trips to vets and multiple 
meds
nearly the entire time I had him  I call him little because he 
failed
to thrive from the  get go...a poster cat for bad FeLV)   I still 
feel his
loss and I will be devastated if I were to lose this guy over 
something I
could have done something about.   The asthma like condition went 
away
after I gave the rugs a thorough cleaning, moved all the furniture 
away
from the walls and vacuumed and cleaned... got rid of as much dust as 
I
could I did so many damn things I'd be hard pressed to know which 
( if
any) were the most useful...could have been simply that when I was 
finally
able to open the windows THAT did it...   All that said just 
wondering
if anyone has had such symptoms with a cat ( sounds like one of us 
might
sound after a bad chest cold just as the mucuus is loosening up... 
but
instead of getting better it simply stays at the same level 
Anyone
have experience with using nebulizers with cats ( and yes I've done 
the
bathroom shower thing...  thats a bit wasteful)I'm 
actually
wondering about these new " Vape things... ie... if I were to add a 
small
dose of medication to it  they produce a HUGE amount of vapor and 
could
be a LOT cheaper than a nebulizer.  Wondering also if anyone has 
ever
given a cat a small dose of a mucolytic medication with what 
result.???
Ultimately I'll do a chest Xray but... these ar

[Felvtalk] Bad News..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello All:
I'm going to make this somewhat brief as I've had my last two messages 
NOT post..nor had I received any group messages until about 5 minutes 
ago..
My remaining cat ( Magellin..  nee   Jelly )  who is my little love...  
much like Amani's Zander.  Stopped eating
a week and one half ago...  Hospitalized for two days and vet said very 
bad URI and possible lungworm
This was the vet the shelter uses and they often don't look to hard 
first time out to save the shelter $$...    Long Story short ( just as 
matters went with my other little guy) I had to spend the money anyway 
to get an accurate DX...    He has a tumor ( likely lymphoma) just 
forward of his heart... a WBC of 186000 and rapidly dropping HCT ( 5 
weeks earlier I had an extensive wellness exam on him and he was FINE... 
top of the chart HCT... just a couple of other glitches...
He really HATES being force fed and I don't know I am doing him any 
favors prolonging his life this way as it is not likely that he is going 
to begin to eat again on his own if it is the tumor and the Virus that 
are causing the
loss of appetite...OR making it difficult for him TO eat ( though he 
does seem to do OK with the Pica that alerted me to the fact that he 
might be anemic... he was eating cat litter and licking the cement 
powder off the laundry room floor)
I force fed him for a week in hopes that he might begin to eat again on 
his own  He's on Mirtazapine, Prednisolone, Winstrol and Doxy right 
now but It's literally killing me to have my little boy just unable to 
play or eat or enjoy being petted...   All the best of what we had is in 
abeyance    I don't want him to starve to death but if I keep him 
alive by force feeding him  I could just be setting him up for death by 
another means ( he is clearly having difficulty breathing...using 
accessory muscles...  only occassionally lying on his side 
comfortably).  He does not appear to be in abject pain so I am 
reluctant to put him down but it is SO trying for me particularly in he 
wake of losing my other little guy only a couple of months ago after 
nearly a year of trying to get him well..   And, once again, there 
is the damn matter of financial limitations.   If there were a "cure" 
and it cost me a few thousand I would spend the money.. but with a FeLV 
cat it is highly questionable if thousands spent could even guarantee a 
few more months  Currently I am force feeding him a few oz's a day 
of AD with a calorie supplement paste mixed in... Just enough to keep 
him from starving and giving him some fluid... just in case buying him a 
few extra days witnesses any kind of change for the positive with the 
meds he's getting.  I'm trying NOT to give in to putting him 
down now to save ME the heartache of watching another cat die over a 
matter of months...   Living alone and having no one  to talk to about 
this that shares my feelings for this guy and won't get VERY tired of 
hearing about it  makes it that much more difficult.  I'm getting 
VERY depressed and closure could at least leave me having only grief to 
deal with...which is, frankly, a LOT easier than the daily   " is he 
doing better"?  " maybe a miracle will occur"... or putting him on my 
chest only to have him be so uncomfortable there that he immediately 
leaves   That's the hardest part He's here physically but I no 
longer have MY Jelly...   Thanks for listening...   any suggestions 
welcome...

Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vi and Mo...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sheri...
I know , all too well, what you are going through and hope to the power 
of 10 that the meds help for mo as much as they have for others on the 
list   The more people out there recognize that FeLV is not always a 
death sentence ( if one has a forward thinking vet) the more people 
might be willing to adopt these lovely cats ( At the shelter where I 
volunteer EACH of our FeLV cats is nice than the next)  I am worried 
about the Colony now because one of the Colony just died from Effusive 
FIP and since all were raised together there is a high likelihood that 
the others are still carrying the Corona Virus fingers crossed as to 
whether is will develop into FIP in them   So glad you have a vet 
that will work with you and my hopes are SO with little mo who really 
hasn't been given a fair shake until you guys came along.   Thanks 
for giving this deserving little guy a home EVEN if it's just for a 
brief while.


Bob


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So sorry for what you are dealing with Bob??that is one thing the 
members here do get ? how important our babies are to us. I sincerely 
hope and pray the meds work for Jelly.


Ardy



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
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Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 4:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active


Here is the exchange I have had with Bob.


Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone 
through.



Amani


From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bcha...@optonline.net] Sent: April-03-17 
5:19 PM

To: Amani Oakley
Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active


No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY 
strange and happening at a really bad time...


I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words...   Jelly is MY Zander... 
a very special companion much more like a dog.  My shadow whenever I 
was home...  I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him 
to suffer even a day  But... I don't want to just put him down 
while he has a little quality of life..


Won't take up any more time   I'm going to write to some of the 
other list members and see if they have been active


Bob


On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Robert


I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the 
Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high 
white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going 
on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when 
other antibiotics don?t work.



I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd 
that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the 
moderator to see if there is some sort of problem?



Amani

From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bcha...@optonline.net] Sent: April-01-17 
1:31 PM

To: Amani Oakley
Subject: FeLV talk still active


Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV 
list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the 
list in many days  Have you?  Do you know if it's still active.
My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out 
and I really liked having the support of the group during these times 
( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how 
important a pet is to some of us.  I don't think I have much time 
left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not 
eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick 
him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and 
winstrol just in case it might help a bit   HCT dropped from 42 to 
20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only 
had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other 
exams ate this up rapidly.

Re: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

For folks who have Syringe Fed cats... 
How much do you " force" at each feeding when a cat shows little 
interest in even swallowing that which you manage to get into his 
mouth...   Jelly fights it tooth and nail...   I am WAY behind in his 
caloric needs because he fights so vehemently now about taking meds or 
being fed that I feel that it is hurting more than helping   I was 
using AD with High Density calorie paste but he doesn't like it at ALL 
so I am now using bits of baby food and alternating with KMR Kitten Milk 
and literally forcing him to swallow a couple of oz's...which is also 
far too little..  He still drinks water on his own and is urinating 
a large amount... for all I know at this point his Kidneys could be 
shutting down


He is  lethargic enough at this point that I am 75% sure that I will put 
him down before the weekend is out...  If he were just battling anemia 
I'd have more hope for the Win/Pred/Doxy combo but with the tumor I'm 
feeling I might not be doing him any favors Admittedly... it was 
only a couple of months back that I watched my other little boy fade 
away at home over the course of a couple of months but HE was eating at 
least Mostly... I don't think " I " can take much more of watching 
my lovely boy die... Every day I'm here living my life around trying to 
get him to eat.. watching that he doesn't eat cement or other detritus ( 
Pica r/t anemia) putting food in a thousand places so that if he IS 
inclined at one moment TO eat there will be something near at hand TO 
eat and getting more and more depressed with each passing day at the 
lack of response.  This damnable disease!!!   6 short weeks ago he 
passed his wellness exam with flying colors  They can be claimed in 
a heartbeat.   I don't know that I will take in another FeLV cat 
unless I can find a damn vet that will work WITH ME and give a dying cat 
a fighting chance...  I can't take this amount of sadness again for 
at least several months...




Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:19:39 +
From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] New FELV mom

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I've struggled with Mo since he came home, literally, the only thing 
he
will eat on his own is the Temptations treats. I count them so I know 
he's
gotten more than his basic needs every day but he's never bowled us 
over
with his appetite, even on mirzapine (definitely misspelled that). He 
will
lick the gel off his feet still, I feel lucky to have found anything 
he

likes but a bit stuck as he won't try anything else!

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:30 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:

Good luck Sheri. I understand all too well the reluctance to add 
stress by
syringe feeding, but I think that the ?gas in the engine? is also 
dependent

on getting in those calories. I rely on baby food. I find that it is
usually palatable enough that you can usually syringe a wee bit of it 
on
their lips or just inside their lips ? if they sit or lie down beside 
you
or in your lap (my preferred position), and they will lick at what is 
in or

on their mouth. I think this helps to stimulate their appetite. The
Winstrol will often also help improve appetite, strength and a sense 
of

feeling better so that they want to eat a bit more.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to me 
that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can 
develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me 
are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )   
it is that much more painful
I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and 
pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me 
to brush his sides and backafter that he actually ate a little bit 
of baby food off a plate I had to leave for a few hours and I was 
hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest 
of the baby food I left on the plate   I don't know which bothers me 
more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never 
getting my hopes up?...  When I returned home he was quite lethargic and 
had not touched any of  the food...   His gurgling ( which had abated 
considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this 
Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a 
challenge again.  Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " 
may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...  Every day I decide 
to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...  But.. I'm a 
little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty 
discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left...
As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)  I'm actually 
rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was 
turkey baby food   Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the 
side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat   
Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it...   I leave plates of 
anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the 
day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is 
inclined. and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not 
wanting for affection  any time that he is willing to stay near me 
he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...  I am literally 
unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some 
part of it's body Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with 
any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster. 
   I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I 
don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at 
least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog).   So thank you all 
for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the 
little creatures that so many others overlook...


Bob 


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[Felvtalk] Checking in.....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again 
not getting group mail

Has there been activity I've missed??
My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we 
all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just 
enjoy it while it's happening)    Wondering if any of you have 
experience with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say 
above 7.5 mg QD)...  When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the 
proviso that I would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to 
unless I feel they are killing him unnecessarily quickly)  His Tumor 
does not appear to have gotten any larger and his pain appears to be 
pretty well controlled Just wish I knew specifically what is helping 
the most so I could cut down on superfluous drugscurrently he's on 
Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, 
prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via syringe dissolved in milk, 
Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting substance... bears closer 
scrutiny...  supposed to have anti tumor activity) Two other " 
alternative " medications which I have suspended only because the poor 
boy screams bloody murder every time I have to give him something. 
with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to keep anything PO to a 
minimum
Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die 
don't and the ones that that aren't ..do
Hope everyones buddies are doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as 
FeLV Kitties can do)...  Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain 
injury which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been 
insistent on expanding his range and even tried running this AM...  
Wasn't in anything resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy 
is enough to make you weep...  Guess that's part of why I am such a fan 
of animals they simply do what they have to and do it without 
complaint  ( Sure glad they can't speak...perhaps I'd like them less if 
their inner thoughts were more like ( Why ME??  I'm a more thoughtful 
caring cat than Mittens over there; why did _ I_ have to get hit by a 
car and THEN get cancer!!... and there's that jerk Mittens running 
around all carefree and happy...where's the Justice I ask you)...

Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hi Sheila...
Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) 
that is a lot of cats to look after
and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them 
fosters???


Bob


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I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her 
kittens. One

kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus I took another
FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too 
:).

On Jul 21, 2017 8:34 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:

No, he said it was no big deal at all.  I just worry.  This is my 
first

FELV cat.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
Behalf

Of *Pam Doore
*Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:21 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Sheila did your vet seem concerned about the higher cholesterol?

On Jul 21, 2017 7:44 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:

It was part of a blood panel I had done on him.  I get bloodwork 
every 6

months and I thought it was odd too.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of

dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.

I have never had anyone tell me my cats needed cholesterol tested.
i was beginning to wonder if the list was still there, had not heard
anything.

 Amani Oakley  wrote:
It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in 
cats

(and being called into question in humans too).


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
Behalf

Of Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: July-20-17 10:37 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.

My son Skylar is doing well and his 6 month bloodwork came back 
great.
High cholesterol is all.  No idea why that would be. He is now 2 1/2 
years

old, I hope he is around a long time.


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
Behalf

Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in.

Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once 
again

not getting group mail

Has there been activity I've missed??
My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( 
as we
all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just 
enjoy
it while it's happening)Wondering if any of you have 
experience
with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say above 
7.5 mg
QD)...  When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the proviso that 
I
would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to unless I feel 
they are

killing him unnecessarily quickly)  His Tumor does not appear to have
gotten any larger and his pain appears to be pretty well 
controlled
Just wish I knew specifically what is helping the most so I could cut 
down
on superfluous drugscurrently he's on Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if 
pain is
up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered 
via

syringe dissolved in milk, Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting
substance... bears closer scrutiny...  supposed to have anti tumor
activity) Two other " alternative " medications !
 which I h
 ave suspended only because the poor boy screams bloody murder every 
time
I have to give him something. with a tumor invading his oral 
cavity I

want to keep anything PO to a minimum
Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) 
die

don't and the ones that that aren't ..do Hope everyones buddies are

doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as FeLV Kitties can do)...
Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain injury which has left 
him
with poor balance... but lately he's been in

Re: [Felvtalk] eliminating extraneous text

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

OK I made this suggestion and the last two STILL had all the 
text...  I am HOPEing that this time the text remains eliminated


Bob


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Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] A suggestion that could make it easier to keep
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When we reply ( apparently it doesn't make much difference if we hit 
reply or reply all) it would be helpful to erase those parts of the 
posting that reference earlier discussions and do not have relevance 
to the current posting? This also prevents having your message 
held up because it exceeds the allowable line limits..
It can be disconcerting when one is in a hurry but would like to read 
responses to earlier questions... they are often tucked WAY far down 
in a message body such that you have to wade through a thousand lines 
that you have already read a thousand times to get to it


Try it... it could help...

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Re: [Felvtalk] Surgery

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello Everyone...
Thank you so much for your concerns about " my " surgery but it is an 
unfortunate result of the structure of the mailings that this mistake 
was made    I am not having heart surgery : )  Believe it is our 
member whose email is dlegg ( wish people would put their actual names 
on their postings) I forget in between time whose name is associated 
with which address. Seems when I've made and inquiry about 
activity on the group it engenders a rash of new mailings and confusion 
reins  : )   Glad, however, to see activity and that we are all still 
here  I always learn something new when folks post their thoughts 
and practices on the group   I am humbled by so many of you and your 
commitment to your Kitties... without people such as you the world would 
be a much more bleak place for the unwanted animals of the world.  I 
get caught up in " if only's " even at my age and I think so often " if 
only" everyone would take in just  1 animal how much of an improvement 
that would make to the lives of animals everywhere.  It is such a 
shame that not everyone feels toward animals as we do... they can't 
experience the joy and wonder that an animal brings to ones life or the 
simple pleasure of having a cat sit on your chest purring while you 
watch TV ( all 14 lbs of Gilbert and his drool( I _ could_ do without 
the drool!!)... somehow calm me when I am laying on the couch just 
relaxing. and Bless you Sheila for your kindness and caring.    If 
you know anyone who could help you to become your own non-profit that 
could, potentially, reduce some of the burden of expense...   I KNOW you 
are beyond busy already but just wanted to mention it if you had not 
though about it already...  It's not a walk in the park to put in place 
but has some distinct advantages...


Bob C.


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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 08:42:51 -0700
From: Gloria To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
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Sheila, my 2 cents- - for me -  it's not just spreading the FeLV to 
others, it the autoimmune problem of not being able to fight off 
viruses or diseases that they could get from other cats.
I have Buddy in our guest room - in a controlled environment- we 
replaced the door with another re-engineered door. The replacement 
door bottom panel we replaced with clear plexiglas so he can see the 
other cats in the house, and the top panel with a screen door screen 
guard panel for air and to get house sounds. He uses the plexiglas as 
a drum-especially when he wants attention!


I have spent at least 2 hours with him each night for the last 5 
years- have my own easy chair and large screen tv :)


That's the remedy I came up with so he gets plenty of loving and 
entertainment- he's probably the healthiest of all the other 14 I have 
inside!


?Food: no junk food, both wet and no-grain kibble -that includes a 
variety of brands- and fresh water
?Vaccine: wouldn't touch it - I don't use vaccines unless required by 
law
?Stress: I keep it as low as possible, that means only vet trips if 
life & death- can't afford routine visits because we're living on 
retirement funds ?Pray: a lot

Will be praying for Robert too!




-g ??
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
wrote:


I heard the leukemia  vaccine carries a high risk of cancer.  Does 
anyone have their FELV cat around non-felv cats?  I thought about 
letting Skylar out only while I am home and see how it goes with the 
regular cats.  But I have a FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and 
not sure if they would pass germs and cause more harm.  My Felv has 
no signs of illness since he was moved him indoor.I don't think 
he can be near the FIV cat.  Thanks for any info

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

Hi Sheila...
Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or 
expen

Re: [Felvtalk] A suggestion that could make it easier to keep up with posts...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

When we reply ( apparently it doesn't make much difference if we hit 
reply or reply all) it would be helpful to erase those parts of the 
posting that reference earlier discussions and do not have relevance to 
the current posting  This also prevents having your message held up 
because it exceeds the allowable line limits..
It can be disconcerting when one is in a hurry but would like to read 
responses to earlier questions... they are often tucked WAY far down in 
a message body such that you have to wade through a thousand lines that 
you have already read a thousand times to get to it


Try it... it could help...

BOb


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If onlyeveryone who has a cat or dog would get them 
spayed/neutered there would not be so many for us to care for.  I have 
heard all kinds of excuses like it costs so much.  If they did get 
their pets spayed/neutered they would not have the work involved in 
getting rid of them.  When a new one shows up here, they get neutered 
or spayed within 2 weeks after I have found out that they do not 
belong to anyone.


---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

Hello Everyone...
Thank you so much for your concerns about " my " surgery but it is an 
unfortunate result of the structure of the mailings that this mistake 
was made??? I am not having heart surgery : )? Believe it is 
our member whose email is dlegg ( wish people would put their actual 
names on their postings) I forget in between time whose name is 
associated with which address. Seems when I've made and 
inquiry about activity on the group it engenders a rash of new 
mailings and confusion reins? : )?? Glad, however, to see activity and 
that we are all still here? I always learn something new when 
folks post their thoughts and practices on the group?? I am 
humbled by so many of you and your commitment to your Kitties... 
without people such as you the world would be a much more bleak place 
for the unwanted animals of the world.? I get caught up in " if 
only's " even at my age and I think so often " if only" everyone would 
take in just? 1 animal how much of an improvement that would make to 
the lives of animals everywhere.? It is such a shame that not 
everyone feels toward animals as we do... they can't experience the 
joy and wonder that an animal brings to ones life or the simple 
pleasure of having a cat sit on your chest purring while you watch TV 
( all 14 lbs of Gilbert and his drool( I _ could_ do without the 
drool!!)... somehow calm me when I am laying on the couch just 
relaxing. and Bless you Sheila for your kindness and caring.??? If 
you know anyone who could help you to become your own non-profit that 
could, potentially, reduce some of the burden of expense...?? I KNOW 
you are beyond busy already but just wanted to mention it if you had 
not though about it already...? It's not a walk in the park to put in 
place but has some distinct advantages...


Bob C.


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Sheila, my 2 cents-

[Felvtalk] Nice Sentiment...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello All:
While I know that our group is about cats... lately friends and family 
have been losing their long time canine companions   I cam across 
the piece below quite by mistake but it moved me enough to pass it 
along...it applies equally to cats..

Bob C
==

To most, he was “just” a dog.  To me, he was so much more than just a
 best friend, he was an integral part of my life, and my world for over
14 years.  I was there to see him take his first breath in this world.
 And I was there when he breathed his last, after a long and, I hope,
happy life.  And when he left this world, it was as if a large piece of
me was violently torn away.  Eventually the countless happy memories of
the all too brief time I had with him will crowd out the anguish of the
last moments we spent.  For now, I can take only cold comfort in knowing
 that when it came time to make the call, I did right by him.  His body
was on the verge of a “cascading system failure”, but it had not yet
progressed to the point where it had broken his spirit.  I had been
waiting for him to tell me it was his time for some while, but it was
his prognosis that finally sealed it.  He was not going to get better;
he would only get worse.  Even with surgery — which at his age was more
risk than solution — his best case was a few months, and those would
have been pain ridden.


I don’t suppose I’ll ever stop second guessing whether I waited too
long or not long enough.  But in the circumstances keeping him going
through heroic measures would have been for my benefit, not his.


When you bring a dog into your life, you make a bargain.  Tonka never
 once failed to deliver on his side of that bargain.  And as much as it
hurt — and will continue to hurt — I had to deliver on mine.


Goodnight pal, see you on the other side.  I love you, buddy.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nicely Stated...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hi Folks

Once again I sent something to the list and it has not appeared in my 
mail...so I have no idea if it made it to the group..
My brother had to put down his buddy ( a border collie) of 14 yrs the 
other day and I had come across a piece a fellow wrote about losing his 
own dog after the same amount of time though this is about the loss 
of  a dog it is equally applicable to cats and captures the sentiment 
just beautifully..

--



To most, he was “just” a dog.  To me, he was so much more than just a 
best friend, he was an integral part of my life, and my world for over 
14 years.  I was there to see him take his first breath in this world. 
And I was there when he breathed his last, after a long and, I hope, 
happy life.  And when he left this world, it was as if a large piece of 
me was violently torn away.  Eventually the countless happy memories of 
the all too brief time I had with him will crowd out the anguish of the 
last moments we spent.  For now, I can take only cold comfort in knowing 
that when it came time to make the call, I did right by him.  His body 
was on the verge of a “cascading system failure”, but it had not yet 
progressed to the point where it had broken his spirit.  I had been 
waiting for him to tell me it was his time for some while, but it was 
his prognosis that finally sealed it.  He was not going to get better; 
he would only get worse.  Even with surgery — which at his age was more 
risk than solution — his best case was a few months, and those would 
have been pain ridden.


I don’t suppose I’ll ever stop second guessing whether I waited too long 
or not long enough.  But in the circumstances keeping him going through 
heroic measures would have been for my benefit, not his.


When you bring a dog into your life, you make a bargain.  Tonka never 
once failed to deliver on his side of that bargain.  And as much as it 
hurt — and will continue to hurt — I had to deliver on mine.


Goodnight pal, see you on the other side.  I love you, buddy.

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[Felvtalk] Kitten on Highway

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy
You have a much more even temperment than me when it comes to such 
matters There is NO question that I will end up in prison if I am 
caught doing what I KNOW I am capable of doing to a person that is this 
callous toward ANY living creature... but Housepets in particular... 
There are NO excuses...NONE!! for his kind of behavior
I worry myself actually when I realize that if I didn't have a few 
moments to calm down between seeing such an action and catching the 
person who did it I would be perfectly capable of throwing THAT 
individual out of a car at 60 miles an hour ( assuming that I had the 
physical advantage)



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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 22:51:19 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten tossed out of 
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Hello my Felv friends  this is a little off-topic, but I have to 
vent:
My granddaughter texted me this afternoon that a Facebook friend of 
hers was
driving from our city to a neighboring town, when the vehicle ahead of 
her

tossed a kitten out of the car window at 60 mph!! The poor little babe
struck her windshield! She was able to come to a safe stop, but was 
unable
to get the license number or really much of a description of the 
vehicle.
The little gray kitty was badly injured, but she is taking good care 
of it,
and has it home with her tonight. He (or she) has eye and nose 
injuries,
among others, but I believe he is stable. My granddaughter messaged 
her
friend and said that she will help with the vet bill and also with the 
food
and other supplies she will need for this kitty. The friend says she 
is
going to provide a forever home for the kitty. I am dropping off some 
money
in the morning at my granddaughter's house to pitch in, because she is 
going
shopping for kitty food, a bed, some toys, a brush, etc. for her 
friend. We
are just so irritated that someone would do something like this, and I 
am so

grateful there are people like my granddaughter and her friend who are
willing to do what it takes to help this poor little babe.


I am hoping someone on Facebook will see the story they posted, with
pictures, and turn this person in to the authorities. He also could 
have
caused an accident if the girl had swerved to avoid hitting the kitty 
- but
I suppose it happened so fast she probably didn't even know what it 
was. I

hope this person does not have other pets, or children!


Thanks for listening!

Ardy



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Ardy - generally, I am not supportive of the death penalty, but I 
would gladly make an exception for barbarians like those you describe, 
and I would just as happily be the executioner. This is not the first 
time I have heard this same hideous story. Several years ago in 
Toronto, Ontario, the same thing happened on one of our highways, and 
again, that little kitten at least got lucky enough to survive and be 
rescued by a motorist who saw what happened.


I have heard it repeated elsewhere. I guess that stupid idiot f*&^%s 
can't find anything more vulnerable and helpless than a kitten to show 
their toughness. Just obscene.


I shudder to think just how many times the kittens don't survive.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Ardy Robertson

Sent: July-31-17 11:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten tossed out of car

Hello my Felv friends  this is a little off-topic, but I have to 
vent: My granddaughter texted me this afternoon that a Facebook friend 
of hers was driving from our city to a neighboring town, when the 
vehicle ahead of her tossed a kitten out of the car window at 60 mph!! 
The poor little babe struck her windshield! She was able to come to a 
safe stop, but was unable to