Re: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up

2005-02-28 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Steve
My 1st FeLV+ kitties that I brought home were loaded with fleas to the
extent that there hair was falling out and dehydration...They got
Advantage treatment before they were even tested...
One was about 3 months old and the other was about 12 years and the
older one was taking care of the kitten but it wasn't hers...
Anyway they are still doing well 2 years later and 4 others that were
in much better condition when I brought them home have died

Fleas can and do kill and also will bring the kittens strength down to
the point that FeLV+ will step in...
Getting rid of the fleas is the 1st emergency !!!

I would go with Advantage...

Tad


Steve Williams wrote:

  
  
  Cherie,
  
  I'm kind of afraid to use Advantage or
Frontline with a kitten who has hadFeLV+ from birth. Maybe I'm
overreacting, but my recent loss of Leeloo, with the stress ofa leg
sprain causing onset, has got me trigger-shy. Itishardfor me to
impose the tiniest bit oftoxic substance or stress onLoki. I think I
will try some natural supplements, diligent combing and cleaning.
But... I want those fleas gone now! I'm going to try to find boric
acid to sprinkle on the carpets also.
  
  Has anyone used Advantage or Frontline on
kittens with FeLV from birth?
  
  Steve
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cherie
A Gabbert
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up


Steve,
My cats deal really well with Advantage, and it is topical
that goes behind the neck.
Cherie


Steve Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  Kerry,
  
  Yes, I know for sure it is fleas. All the
signs are there: I can see fleas sometimes on him, I've combed a few
off of him, and can find lots of flea poop in his normal sleeping spots.
  
  Thanks,
  Steve
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up


Steve, sorry to ask this--it may be a dumb
Q--but do you know for sure that fleas are the source ofLoki's
scratching? 
After Levi began scratchingfrequentlyI put
a humidifier in the room on the advice of group members.
When the vet came, she examined him and said
she was "not concerned" about the scratching. The humidifier did seem
to reduce the incidence of scratching among the cats in general.
I hope hairballs were also the source of the
throwing up. Kerry
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Williams
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up


Recently, Loki has gotten fleas. He
scratches a lot, but it doesn't seem overwhelming. I don't see any in
the house, but will start a good cleaning/vacuuming regiment. I bought
a flee comb, but will of course do more. Does anyone have advice on
best course of action for a 9 month old FeLV+ kitty? I will also go to
the vet for any prescribed treatment, but don't want to cause him a
speck of stress withtreatment. My vet is very good in this regard
since he is opposed to poisonous stuff.

For the past three days Loki has been
throwing up in the early evenings. He is eating normally otherwise and
this doesn't seem to faze him too much. Our feeding regiment for him
has not changed. His supplements are L-Lysine and Vitamin C, which he
has been give for many months. His throwing up seems to occur sometime
after he has his wet food with supplements in the early afternoon
(4pm-ish). Any advice or comments?

Even though he is fine otherwise,this is
causing mevery much anxiety.

Thanks for any advice.

Steve
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Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread Tad Burnett




Michelle
 I also wish you would repost the recipe for liver shake...
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  To get him to eat more, try making the liver shake. The recipe
is in the archives or I can send it again if you can't find it. They
will often eat this when they won't eat anything else, and it is full
of nutrients so even if they just eat a little they get a lot out of
it. Also try sour cream and also roast beef deli slices.
  Michelle
  
  
  In a message dated 3/7/05 10:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
The vet said it
costs all  she thinks at this time, she can't see putting him
through that when it probably won't do much.I went  got a cat of
KMR mothers supplement to give to him,because it has so many good
vitamins  stuff in it.He is drinking itI am hoping it might
help.Thanks for all the emails of suggestions,love  support.

Anita

  
  
  
  

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Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Anita
 Yes...I have a 14 year old FeLV+ that was so bad that the rescue
people that I got her from
didn't know if she would survive the 300 mile trip home..But she was
going to be PTS if
I didn't take herShe was loaded with fleas and that was the cause
of her anemia...
All I did was get rid of the fleas (advantage) and plenty of food and
water and love...
I have had her for a year and a half now and she is still doing well...

I guess it depends what is causing it but it is recoverable in some
cases...

Tad

  
  
.Does anyone knowif anyfur babies have recovered from
beingAnemic?
 Anita

  

  
  



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Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-12 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Michelle
 I suppose it stems from the "Bottom Line"...I had thought that it was
1000 animals per day that were PTS in shelters in the US...That would
be just over 1/3 million per year...Last night I read a statement that
it was between 12 million and 20 million...Thats like 35 thousand to 50
thousand every day...I hope thats wrong

The feral people say that neutering a tom and releasing them will keep
other males away from the colony but with my experiance with breeding
when I neutered an old tom and replaced him with a younger tom the
fertal tom took his place very smoothly...I am sure this happens in the
wild as well

I have been complaining on another list about animal control seazing
animals from a horder who is keeping animals in less than optomal
conditions but than AC puts most of the animals to sleep the same day
they seaze them...Them I am sure the legal system spends thousands of
dollars on court and jail time costs...
Wouldn't it make more sense to sit on these people and make them take
care of their animals...Spend a few bucks on food if they are realy
broke

I am sure that a majority of people think we that are protecting what
shortened life an FeLV+ cat has left are nuts...I am 68 years old and I
know some of my cats will out live me and my partner and not all of
them will be adopted...There are people who have taken in homless cats
in the past but don't any more becouse of this...but doesn't that just
mean that animals are being PTS that much sooner...

We can't save them all...In fact we only save 1 out of 5 that go to a
shelter...
PETA is probable looking at the real life big picture and if killing a
feral will save the life of a homeless cat that wants to be adopted
into someones home maybe thats their thinking
We on the other hand are free to pick out any small window of the big
problem and help in the way we feel good about but I don't think we
should totaly condem PETA

Tad
PS..I mentioned breedingThat was years ago...Then I saw the
light...I love my siamese that are left from my breeding but I love my
cats that I save from being PTS just as much..Even my 2 feral FeLV+
cats that are still very shy of me but they have learned to enjoy
inside living and learned to play with my other cats in their
room..Someone said feral cats have to learn to play



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I can not believe PETA!!! They used to be known as the most
radical animal rights group around (at the time that I did belong to
them). This is welfarism at its very, very worst. How can a group
that says it is an animal rights group advocate catching and killing
animals? Isn't the right to live out your life without being killed the
most basic of rights? Without that right, what good is any other? They
are insane. I stopped contributing to them years ago based on other
stances they took that I thought were crazy, but their position on
ferals tops the cake.
  Michelle
  
  

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Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-13 Thread Tad Burnett




And I would think these hunters would be shooting
themselves in the foot, so
to speak if they pass this law, becouse a lot of farmers that alow
hunting on their property
won't want their barn cats shot...I have know serveral farmers with
cats that live around 
the barn but the farmers are fond of them in their place

Tad

BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:

  I know some people involved in the Trap, Neuter, and Release progtram 
here. They are always advertising for homes for these ferals and many 
of them go to family farms.

Bonnie in WI

- Original Message -
From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat 
Hunting	in WI.)

  
  
Unless you can find a VERY safe place for the ferals and be sure 
there's someone to take care of them, I tend to agree with PETA.  
Even if the ferals have someone 'watching out' for them, I'm sure 
many of them are killed by dogs, hit by cars, shot, etc I 
think it's a very rough life for most ferals and in many cases it 
would have been better to put them to sleep.  I see their point of 
view. 
t

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can not believe PETA!!!  They used to be known as the most 
radical animal rights group around (at the time that I did belong 
to them).  This is welfarism at its very, very worst.  How can a 
group that says it is an animal rights group advocate catching and 
killing animals? Isn't the right to live out your life without 
being killed the most basic of rights? Without that right, what 
good is any other? They are insane.  I stopped contributing to 
them years ago based on other stances they took that I thought 
were crazy, but their position on ferals tops the cake.
Michelle


  
  


  



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Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-13 Thread Tad Burnett




to finish my thoughtthese farmers will post their
property to protect their cats..
Tad

BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:

  I know some people involved in the Trap, Neuter, and Release progtram 
here. They are always advertising for homes for these ferals and many 
of them go to family farms.

Bonnie in WI

- Original Message -
From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat 
Hunting	in WI.)

  
  
Unless you can find a VERY safe place for the ferals and be sure 
there's someone to take care of them, I tend to agree with PETA.  
Even if the ferals have someone 'watching out' for them, I'm sure 
many of them are killed by dogs, hit by cars, shot, etc I 
think it's a very rough life for most ferals and in many cases it 
would have been better to put them to sleep.  I see their point of 
view. 
t

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can not believe PETA!!!  They used to be known as the most 
radical animal rights group around (at the time that I did belong 
to them).  This is welfarism at its very, very worst.  How can a 
group that says it is an animal rights group advocate catching and 
killing animals? Isn't the right to live out your life without 
being killed the most basic of rights? Without that right, what 
good is any other? They are insane.  I stopped contributing to 
them years ago based on other stances they took that I thought 
were crazy, but their position on ferals tops the cake.
Michelle


  
  


  



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Re: [kittycityrescue] 2 Feline Leuk + cats - looking for long term foster

2005-03-14 Thread Tad Burnett




I think there has been discusion of this...but isn't it
posible for the FeLV vaccine which these kitties had,
to cause a false pos for some short period of time...Can this be the
case here ???

Tad 


catatonya wrote:

  Rebecca,
  
  I am forwarding this to a leukemia group where you can get more
information.
  
  tonya
  
  "Rebecca Morris (FLG)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  



*PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST WHERE APPROPRIATE*

I took in two cats a week
ago Saturday. This ladys mom could no longer care for the cats, and
the lady didnt like cats but wanted to find them homes. She had them
s/n and got their shots (feline leuk/distemper and rabies) but did not
get them tested. I had them both tested last Monday and they both came
up very very light positive for feline leukemia. They are mother and
son (so Im told) but apparently thats not how it was passed or they
would have shown up darker. The mom is 2 yrs. old, a silver tabby with
white feet. Shes a little shy and can be bossy with the son. The boy
is about 8-9 months old, blue and white. He has these huge green eyes
and gorgeous white coloring on his feet, belly and nose. The boy is
very personable and sweet.

Our rescue group is a
small, two foster home facility. In getting ready for kitten season, I
dont have much of a choice but to have them PTS. To give them the
benefit of the doubt, I am holding them for a month and Ill have them
re-tested. I dont know much about feline leukemia, but I know you can
use interferon injections and it can kill the virus over time. I think
you get them tested every six weeks. It has about a 65% success rate I
think. The medicine costs about $25/bottle which will treat 2 cats for
6 weeks. I would be more than happy to buy the interferon and syringes
if anyone can foster them until they are negative. I will also pay up
to $20 for the tests/each (we pay $16 at our vet).

Anyone up for this or
know someone who might be? You would have to keep these cats totally
separate from any other cats, even if they have been vaccinated. The
virus is spread through bodily fluids (fighting, litterbox, eating and
drinking, cleaning eachother, etc.). Please contact me by phone or
email if you have any suggestions. Photos are available upon request.

I am on digest, so if you
need an immediate response please email me directly or give me a call.
Thank you!


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Re: Non-Wisconsin residents can vote on cat hunting....

2005-03-14 Thread Tad Burnett




And Wisconsin Cheese...NY and VT also make very good
cheese...That
might be their 2nd big product to not buy...

Tad

BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:

  ...you have to be at the spring hearings in order to vote on this 
advisory issues. Anyone can sent in comments (please see below). I 
would suggest saying you will definitely not visit or vacation in 
Wisconsin and neither will your friends if this issue passes. Tourism 
is a major part of the economy here.

Bonnie


NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that at 7 p.m. on Monday, April 11, 
2005, the County Conservation Congress for each county will hold its 
election of delegates. Upon completion of the delegate election, the 
joint Spring Hearing/Conservation Congress meeting will convene to take 
comments on the foregoing rule modifications. The hearings will be held 
at locations in each county of the state. 

The proposed rule may be reviewed and comments electronically submitted 
at the following Internet site: http://adminrules.wisconsin.gov. 
Written comments on the proposed fishing regulations may be submitted 
via U.S. Mail to Mr. Steve Hewett, Bureau of Fisheries Management and 
Habitat Protection, P.O. Box 7921, Madison, WI 53707. Written comments 
on the proposed hunting and trapping regulations may be submitted via 
U.S. Mail to Mr. Kurt Thiede, Bureau of Wildlife Management, P.O. Box 
7921, Madison, WI 53707. Written comments shall be postmarked no later 
than April 12, 2005. Written comments whether submitted electronically 
or by U.S. mail will NOT, however, be counted as spring hearing votes. 
A copy of the proposed rules and fiscal estimates may be obtained from 
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Re: Loki is with my Baby Kitty

2005-03-31 Thread Tad Burnett




Thankyou Nina for the kind words..

Momma is doing quit well...The kitten was always wabbly on her feet and
held her head at an angle all the time so she had some problems...But I
had just started to believe that she might make it for a while...
She knew that I was trying to make her better and the last while she
would come right to me when ever I came in the room and ofcoarse I gave
her special lovings...

Its been fun having Momma and watching the progress..Even though I have
not yet been able to touch her she knows that I bring food and she will
be right under my feet but if I so much as look at her she runs...
If I sit very still she will come out and is very playful with one of
the boys that is about her age...She made friends with all the cats in
the room in no time at all...And she is very talkative with them..This
blows the theroy the I have heard that meowing is for humans only, out
of the waterAnd that ferals don't know how to play...And rubbing
and head buts...All my other cats are strays that very much wanted to
have a human again and she watches very closly...When they play chasing
games my boy has learned that she is afraid to get to close to me so
ofcoarse the boy runs over me...She has progress to running over my
lower half but if he stops by my head she stops and staires from a few
feet away

She also has put on a lot of weight and her fur is so much nicer than
it was and she isn't trying to get outside anymore so we are getting
there...

Tad

Nina wrote:
Tad, I'm
sorry to hear about Baby. I remember when you got Momma and her, and
the story of her poor brother. I've kept you and those angel in my
thoughts and prayers and so hoped they were doing well. It makes it
that much tougher when they finally start to trust you, and she was a
cuddler too! I know how much you wanted her to stay healthy and live a
long, long time. Sweet little angel. Thank God you were there to fill
the time she had with love and safety. How's her momma doing? 
Sending you love and sympathy,
  
Nina
  
  
Tad Burnett wrote:
  
  
  Steve It is so sad to loose our kittens when
they are so young...

I lost my Baby Kitty today too..They are together at the Bridgr now..



I got her about 3 months ago with her mother..They were both trapped

and brought in to be spayed and released..They were feral kitties...

When the tested FeLV+ I stepped in and saved their lives for that
day...

The little boy kitten that was trapped with them was PTS before I had

a chance to get him...



Baby was always not real healthy but seemed to do well for a while

but then started getting sick..Along with getting sick she began to
trust me

so that I could give her special foods and she had started to look so
much better

and became a real snuggle bug but until lastnight she was eating well
on her

own but lastnight she only ate a little and this morning I had to feed
her with

a dropper and then she ran off and hid...Finaly tonight I found her but
she had

passed on...It came quickly for her and that is good but its quit a
shock

for me becouse she seemed to be doing so well...



That makes 3 out of 3 kittens that have tested pos at 3 months or
younger

that have passed on under a year...I have 7 others that were older and
they

are still doing well...But thats the way it is...



Tad






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Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist

2005-04-05 Thread Tad Burnett




I made a modified liver shake with Hills A/D which has
liver and V-8...
My kitty that had stopped eating did eat that all by herself...
Any thoughts as to how it compares...Its much easier to make...

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Liver shake does not help anemia unless it is iron deficiency anemia, which 
is rare and is probably not what TeeCee has.  It's good to use because they 
will sometimes eat it when they will not eat anything else, and it is nutritious.
Michelle


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 Steph,
 
No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee.  
Have you tried the liver shake?  It's good for anemia, and some people swear by 
it.
 
Try to keep positive thoughts.  Sometimes things DO turn around.
  




  



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Re: need help - a negative, later positive - ?

2005-04-06 Thread Tad Burnett




I say "The Bottom Line" is what I just read on another
listEvery 9 seconds an animal is put tp sleep becouse there is no
one to care for it...And most of those are FeLV neg

The bottom line is that we should encourage anyone to care for an
animal however they are comfortable doing...If you do isolate a pos for
90 days or 180 days and it goes neg are you then going to adopt it out
without telling someone that it once tested pos ??

Personaly I have gone the other way...3 or 4 cats that have all run
together and one test neg...The shelter will put them all to sleep...I
have kept them all together...I have a lot of cats...All would be dead
now if I hadn't taken then...They all are well feed and have plenty of
space to run inside my house and enjoy their life...They will get
antibiotics and liver shakes sub-Q but when this low cost doesn't work
I will let them go...

The point is this is the way I feel good about what I am doing...If
somebody put pressure on me to do another way I might feel burnt out
and quit...

Just my thoughts
Tad


TenHouseCats wrote:

  bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLV
needs to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is that
what rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for this

i've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmed
FeLVs would be willing/able to work with rescues and serve as foster
parents during the waiting period. as we know, many cats will retest
as negative if given the chance, but the panic induced by the term
FeLV makes it hard for rescues to hear about options if they haven't
already a plan for dealing with cats who test positive. (i'm working
with two breed rescues right now re: developing such a plan... )

another issue involved: we tell people NOT to euthanize their FeLVs
because we love ours, but not everyone can handle the emotional and
financial demands a FeLV involves--but how many of us realistically
can/will offer to take in these saved cats? i don't know what the
answer is--tho education is DEFINITELY part of it; i've had both
rescues and catparents calm down enough to look at alternatives once
they're given  accurate information on what FeLV is and isn't, how
it's transmitted etc.

i'd really like to see this discussed--even better, to see it solved!
(yeah, right and how long have i been delusional?)



  



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Re: TOM

2005-04-09 Thread Tad Burnett




Barbara
 It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information
about Tom...
Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+...
How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people
friendly...

There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties...
You will need to convinse us that we want to save him...

And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wide

Tad


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  I need to findTom a good home with
another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep.I
have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where
to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom
and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide
all food and littler.
  
  Barbara Baass
  835-2484
  

  



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Re: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Tad Burnett




Much of the time kittend arn't tested until they become
sick and normal antibiotics don't work as expected...At this point the
death rate is high...but many cats are positive but becouse they arn't
tested they don't get put into the statistics...Thus keeping an FeLV+
cat really isn't as bad as vets often say... 
If a cat is kept healthy and low stress their own imune systems will
keep them out of trouble...This is true for both POS and NEG cats...
My vet explained that ethicaly he is required to tell me that keeping
an FeLV+ is not safe for the rest of my cats...but neather is eating
and breathing
He told me that he has seen several FeLV+ that have come in sick and
then tested ...They have been living with other cats but he doesn't
recal a case where other cats from the same group got sick...
It seems to be stray cats that live a bad life for a period of time
that are contacting the disease...

>From my own observations..the average age may be 3 years but I think
that if a cat is healthy and made it past 1 year he is in the group
that lives for many more years...Many die between 6 months and 1 year
which brings the average age way down but once he has made it past that
window I think you have to look at a differant set of numbers
I have now lost 4 under a year and I have one old girl that was in
terable shape (a declawed stray) when I got her but with good food and
fea meds and a couple years time she is doing well..My vet thinks she
is over 12 years old

Tad

Belinda Sauro wrote:

Barbara,
  
Did you see my post about my typo, Bailey is 10, not 20. But he has
been positive since atleast 5 months of age when I found him, at the
time I wasin Missouri and took him to three different vet, all 3 said
"You might as well euthanize him, he will be dead in three months. I
had some experience with FeLV and already knew this wasn't true, but
can you imagine how many healthy cats die because people take thier
vets word as absolute and blindly do as they are advised??
  
  
Any cat that is positive and asymptomatic for as long as Bailey is
classified as a carrier and the virus is most likely in the bone
marrow. I don't fool myself I know sat anytime he could become
symptomatic and get sick. One of the most important things is keeping
the stress down, stress is a well known trigger of setting the virus
off.
  
  
Another thing and I can't speak about your vet, but it ahs been my
experience the vets that have been practicing for a longer time are
less experienced in the virus because they do not go to continuing
education conferences to learn the newest updates about all diseases.
My now vet is very young and has been practicing for only about 6 or 7
years. About 3 times a year she goes for a week or so at a time to
conferences about the newest findings on many different diseases and
she also goes to conferences to learn new treatment options. She is
learning acupunture and holistic medicine as well as traditional
medicine. She will someday be a very well rounded vet, and on top of
all that to help keep my kitties stress down, she comes to the house
for anything that doesn't absolutely need to be done at the office on
her day off!! They get their vaccines at home and blood draws for
blood tests at home. And yes if I find something on the internet I
think has merit I tell her about and she will research it for me. She
allows me to bring them in right before any procedures instead of
dropping them off in the morning and leaving them there all day, this
is very stressful for cats especially. And I wait and take them home
as soon after the procedure as it is safe. She is a gem and if she
ever moves, I'll have to pull up stakes and follow her :))
  
  



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Re: Hello everyone, long time since I've been here

2005-04-14 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Jenn
 I live near Rutland VT and it fairly easy to get to Albany NY fron
here if a transport coming uo I87 (NewYork Thruway) would be any easier
to do
I just brought home an FeLV+ from NJ a month agomakes 7...

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Kitties are located in Tabernacle, New Jersey.
The contact email for helping place these cats is [EMAIL PROTECTED]and her
name is Pam, she is screening the emails for the cat camp foundation
owner. What happened was a neighbor complained to the city, and it has
shut the Cat Camp down. (stupid neighbors!)
  
  I am in Hardwick, Vermont. I've got several
requests out now to help with transport of 3 of the FELV+ cats to me
(anybody live in CT or MA want to help with a leg of the trip?). I have
new info that there are FIVE total FELV+ cats at cat camp needing to be
rehomed. I feel that I can only really support 3 at this time, so two
more are needing homes, PLUS all 6 of the FIV+ cats, ferals (anybody
got some acreage and a shed for a feral colony?), and healthy cats
there.
  
  
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My Baby Kitten DIED

2005-04-28 Thread Tad Burnett




Yes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March
30th...The same day as Steves kitty...
Her name was "Baby Kitten"I did post on here and I think 2 people
replyed...
She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry
about it
enough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess
if I have to read
about Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the
CLS list...

Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested
pos...She was
partialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in
the cage so much
that I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are
all very tame...
She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and
until she got
sick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I
suringe feed her
and put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved
her...And
along with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have
her that long
but I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a
while...
I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young
kitty that never
made it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much...
I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I
saved from being
PTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep going

Tad


Steve Williams wrote:

  Hi all,

It's been awhile.  I have not been able to read the list.  The email subject
lines alone have been too upsetting to me.  I am beginning to think I will
never recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo.

I wanted to send you a link to a kind of comic book story my niece Alisha
wrote for her anthropology class.  It features her cats Mitas, Kaiya, and
Dotty (these are also my sister Lynda's and niece Shawna's cats... the first
bunch they rescued).  they lost Leeloo and Loki's siblings, Milo and Abby to
FeLV... All listed on Belinda's CLS list).

Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click "Next" to view each page.

Enjoy,
  Steve

http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html




  



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Re: my two newest rescues

2005-04-30 Thread Tad Burnett




Perhaps this is a good time to ask a question that I
have...
People on this group have recomended the Liver Shake...
Basicaly equal volume of liver and V8 tomato juice
I gave it to Baby Kitten the last couple weeks of her life
in the form of A/D and V8...1/4 juice and 3/4 A/D
It seems that the V8 improves the flavor so that a cat
will eat when it won't eat anything else...

On the Feline Assisted Feeding Group there is a cat
that had stopped eating...The vet suggested A/D..
She atefor a couple days then stopped again...
I suggested adding a little V8 to A/D which sure
worked for Baby Kitten...
But the owner of the group jumped all over me for
giving tomato juice to a cat...My reply argument that
it was recomended on here got monitored and not posted
to the list

Now I don't know what to believe...It got my Kitty eating
but then my Kitty died 2 weeks later...I think she was too
sick from FeLV problems but I strongly believe it bought
her 2 weeks of quality life...

For Jenns cat...Pursians, like siamese which I have, can be very
picky about their food and switching it...Perhaps they have
been feed the cheapest food you can by..Might be worth
trying a couple differant types before you start force feeding..
Force feeding can really turn a cat off from eating

If you dare try the V8 I bet it will work...
But they do need to eat something soon...Its not good for
them to go much over a day without eating...
For a 10 pound cat one 5.5 oz can of food per day is a good
starting point...Watch weight from there

Tad


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Whoops, I forgot to use the right email
address... this is by me, guys!
  
  Anyways, this is the 3rd day and they don't seem
to be eating or drinking, so if you guys could remind me the required
minimal amount of water I need to force feed for a 10 pound cat, that
would be great. They will lick Nutri-cal off my fingers, so that's
something I suppose.
  
  
Jenn
  
  ~~~
  Yesterday I took in two severely neglected
Persians. They both have been groomed (shaved and de-bugged), and one
has had a full vetting (shots and neuter, but not FELV tested).
Anyways, the one I spent all the money on, he was so matted that when
they shaved him, his hair came off al in one piece. It literally looks
like someone has skinned a cat, the hair came off in ONE BIG MATT! I
didn't have enough money to get them both UTD of everything and both
neutered, so the other one just had a haircut and revolution treatment
for fleas and earmites. So, they are both much more comfortable now.
Just wanted to share my newest arrivals with you guys. I have NO idea
if they are FELV+ or not, ran out of funds for testing. 
  
  Anyways, I converted one of our closets into a
isolation unit. You guys may be interested in this, it really works
great. It's a average sized clothes closet, I took out the shelves and
the clothes rod, and removed the wood door. Then I took an old glass
storm window from storage and it fit right into the door frame, but
only goes 3/4 of the way up the doorway. I made a little frame of
rabbit wire and wood to cover the upper 1/4 of the doorway, and I
secured the wire part to the top of the doorframe with wood screws, so
it can flap up from the bottom. Then I just angled in two wood screws
in front of the glass storm door frame in the doorframe, so all I have
to do is unscrew two screws (I only screw them in about halfway), and
the "door" is easily removed. I added a clamp lamp on one of the wood
supports that held up the shelves. Now I have a nice 2x5 isolation room
with a glass door I can see through to check up on the cats through,
but my cats can't get nose-to-nose with the new cats through. They can
see each other, and get to know each other, but with a solid glass
barrier between them. It really works great. I put the old beat up
foster and smith cat tree in there, it has two levels, a half-round cup
and a solid tunnel, and now they have a place to get off the floor. I
couldn't have done any better, if I do say so myself! 
  
  Just had to share with you guys, I think it's a
genius idea, and what's the best is it doesn't consume any more floor
space than before. I added two more cats without any loss of space. Who
knew closets could be converted into cat rooms so easily! It looks
surprisingly professional!
  
  
Jenn
  
  
  

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Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ]

2005-05-24 Thread Tad Burnett




I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its
the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the
cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time
understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats
are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...
The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...
Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put
her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill
shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance
her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she
enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than
just locking her up

Tad

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

  That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for
this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her
supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would
hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand
up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a
shelter themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a
laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am
sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.
  
  Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so
shocked and disgusted.
  Cherie
  
  
  Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a
fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am
not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with
the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I
do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is
in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to
what I have to say about it:

This situation is extremely
horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue
group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for
these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and
fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their
own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know
anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to
this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please
do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There
are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them
to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind
Rescue, East Orange, NJ.
Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.
  
  
 Original Message 
Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400
  
Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard
E. Orange resident operates rescue agency
Friday, May 20, 2005
BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON
Star-Ledger Staff
Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a
caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and
adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it
home
herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.
Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in
practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor
complaining
about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house
-- 38
of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage
bags
in the back yard.
The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they
produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded
to the
two-story home on State Street.
"Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane
Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."
Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind,
which
operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East
Orange
from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More
arrived while she was there.
"She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia --
and
that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when
they're
dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the
Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.
When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags.
Then
they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East
Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School.
Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more
vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become
so
decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had
been
placing dead cats in the yard since 

Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ]

2005-05-24 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Mia
 She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where
its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry
about the old litter that I bury in my back yard...
 
But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it
would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the
good name of the people that have worked with her...

If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot
of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost
touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I
say give her a break and some help...

Tad 

Mia Nicer wrote:

  
  Thank you Tad. I
don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation
butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved
and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't
happen with anyone else. 
  
  Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I
am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that 
counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You
can't 
save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd

most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse

there is no body to care for them...
The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...
Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put 
her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill 
shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance

her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she

enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than 
just locking her up

Tad

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

 That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for
this 
 individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her 
 supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I
would 
 hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would
stand 
 up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open
a 
 shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that
is a 
 laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I
am 
 sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.
 
 Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked
and 
 disgusted.
 Cherie
 

 Mia Nicer wrote:

 Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New
 York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for
 Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
 she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I
 am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I
 am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have
 to say about it:
 
 This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in
 the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer.
 Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted.
 This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their
 free time to help some of these and their own cats and have
 nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about
 it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this
 situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please
 do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this.
 There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it
 harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.
 Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.


  Original Message 
 Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ
 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400

 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard
 E. Orange resident operates rescue agency
 Friday, May 20, 2005
 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON
 Star-Ledger Staff
 Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan
 as a
 caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her
 rescue and
 adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she
 took it home
 herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until
 its death.
 Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked
 like in
 practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a
 neighbor complaining
 about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside
 the house -- 38
 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed
 into garbage bags
 in the back yard.
 The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor
 they
 produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who
 responded to the
 two-story home on State Street.
 "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the
 Associated Humane
 Societies, the state's largest

Re: Please read this response!! URGENT-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ]

2005-05-24 Thread Tad Burnett




Have you watched the news latelyEvery day there is
a new story of some terable thing that has happened to kids by their
parents or foster parents...
Tad


Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

  I would love to, the only problem is, one voice does not amount
to a hill of beans. As you can see from this topic not alot of people
percieve animals and kids as one in the same.
  Cherie
  
  "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How
about changing the laws to agree with that...

At 01:31 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote:
In MY mind animals and kids are one and the same and SHOULD be
thought of 
EQUALLY, but I know this will never be, it is just how I put
certain 
scenerios in perspective.
Cherie


"Gloria B. Lane" wrote:
If you put "kids" in place of "animals', well - you wouldn't have
"breeders" (uh in the way that we do for cats), they wouldn't have
a city
organization devoted to euthanizing (sometimes inhumainely), or they
wouldn't be running loose on the street clawing thru the garbage -
well not
as much. And people might care more.

Gloria

At 12:30 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote:


 Cherie A Gabbert wrote:Put kids in place of the
 animals and think about it that way, would you want her not
going to jail,
 but instead working with other kids?
 
 Ah...no..you'll get the more emotional response from me if you
leave
 "animals" just where it is...
 
 I love kids too, but at least they can speak up in the same
language.
 
 Trust mepeople who delibertly or through ignorance hurt
animals 
 children...well, they are the lowest of the low.
 
 I DO believe she should be punished...and it never occured to
me that she
 had done something delibertly to hasten their deaths, but
fixing a
 problem, or trying too does more in the long run than just
punishing for
 the acts... This woman is prob. a "collector" who got in over
her
 head...then who do you go too? Your friends and family think
you're
 nuts...just "get rid of them, they're ONLY animals..." but it
would break
 your heart to do so, no one understands so you'll just do it
all
 yourself..you'll show them
 
 I believe she needs therapy first...then it can be decided HOW
to
 proceed...were the acts intentional...out of frustrationor
the
 by-product of over empathy that turned into a logic 
reality breakdown?
 
 The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. God help us
all.




Have a purrfect day
Cherie




  
  
  Have a purrfect day
  Cherie
  





Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ]

2005-05-24 Thread Tad Burnett




I agree...I would like to know the story behind the 200
dead animals...
That makes no sense to me...But if she took in a lot of sick FeLV+...
That is still a huge number to have outside and she has to be sick to 
let that happen..As I say there is a story behind that and I think we
need
to know it before we can pass judgment...
Tad

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

  How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help
that person out also?
  Cherie
  
  Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Mia
 She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where
its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry
about the old litter that I bury in my back yard...
 
But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it
would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the
good name of the people that have worked with her...

If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot
of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost
touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I
say give her a break and some help...

Tad 

Mia Nicer wrote:

  
  Thank you Tad.
I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation
butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved
and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't
happen with anyone else. 
  
  Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  I
am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that 
counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You
can't 
save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd

most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse

there is no body to care for them...
The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...
Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put 
her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill 
shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance

her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she

enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than 
just locking her up

Tad

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

 That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for
this 
 individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her 
 supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I
would 
 hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would
stand 
 up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open
a 
 shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that
is a 
 laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I
am 
 sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley.
 
 Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked
and 
 disgusted.
 Cherie
 

 Mia Nicer wrote:

 Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New
 York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for
 Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which
 she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I
 am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I
 am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have
 to say about it:
 
 This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in
 the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer.
 Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted.
 This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their
 free time to help some of these and their own cats and have
 nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about
 it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this
 situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please
 do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this.
 There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it
 harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 DNA - Marlene Kess  Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.
 Hundreds of dead cats found in yard.


  Original Message 
 Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ
 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400

 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard
 E. Orange resident operates rescue agency
 Friday, May 20, 2005
 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON
 Star-Ledger Staff
 Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan
 as a
 caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her
 rescue and
 adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she
 took it home
 herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until
 its death.
 Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looke

Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed: UPDATE

2005-05-26 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Jenn
 To get her to drink try different types of bowls...Becouse there is
no smell for her to recognize she may be used to drinking out of a
different container...She maybe used to drinking out of a colored
plastic bowl which isn't the best but that's what a lot of people would
use...or in Vermont farm country she may have been given a bowl of
milk...If she goes for milk add more and more water to it over time
till you get her drinking all water but she may be used to seeing the
liquid in the bowl

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Thanks to everyone for all the advice. I called
my vet today (the better one), and told them what I had, and what I was
doing, and they said without bringing her in for bloodwork (which would
require a 12 hour fasting that I don't think she would live through at
this point), I was doing everything right, and to keep up what I'm
doing. Today, when I took her out of the kennel to wobble around while
I made her breakfast goo, she found my other cat's dry food and was
eating it like there was no tomorrow! I put the mush in her face, and
she ate about half of it too. So far, she still will not drink though
(that's one of the reasons why I'm doing the wet food mixture still). I
checked her today, and she is much less dehydrated already, and she
seems to be spunkier, wanting to explore the house (but of course,
falling over every few steps in the rear). I went to the store first
thing this morning (I live in a very rural area, and all the stores
were closed last night after 8 pm when I got her) and bought some
unflavored Pedilyte, and plan to syringe that into her shortly (I'm
aiming for 9 CC's), in addition to using that in the food goo mix
instead of regular water. I'm about to go on an unflavored yogurt hunt
in a few minutes, I tried one store, but none of the non-fruity ones
had any potassium. She may end up with more fruit yogurt. I don't think
the fruit will do her any harm, one of my healthy cats BEGS for the
stuff, and I always share with him, and he's healthy as can be. So far,
still no signs of need for the cat box. I've since looked online, and
she is what is known these days as a Snowshoe Cat. In fact, she's a
classic example of the breed. Jeff (my boyfriend) is already highly
attached to her. I think it was love at first meow for him (she has the
biggest most desperate sounding meow). He says she is the cutest little
thing he has ever seen, I think he just found his breed of choice.
  
  
Jenn
  
  ~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
  
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me
for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  

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Re: average lifespan

2005-06-01 Thread Tad Burnett




A couple things to think about.Many many cats are
POS but never tested and many of these will never be tested because
they don't get sick...and these cats don't get put into the data base
that we use to figure life expectance...So in reality the life span
average may be longer than we think

Also there are advances being made every day that may be a cure...Like
feline interferon...There is always the hope that such will be
available in time for a cat that is still well today...Plus we know
things today..like good food and low stress that we know will help to
keep him healthy...

Tad
PS...I have an old girl..vet thinks she is over 12 years old but she
has been with me for almost 2 years and she is doing well...I did just
loose my old Sammy that I have had for a year and a half...I thought
the 2 old timers were past the age where it would get them but Sammy
developed a huge tumor in his mouth in just a few hours and I had to
let him go to escape the pain that it was causing him.



Chris wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Ive got a 6
+ year old who tested
pos last year though vet thinks she had it all along and a 4+ that I
took in as
a stray last year who also turned out to be pos. 
  
  
  Chris
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  -Original
Message-
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Barbara Baass
  Sent: Wednesday, June
01, 2005
12:34 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: RE: average
lifespan
  
  
  Yes, this is
very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I
guess now
he is 2 years old. I know now from what the group said what to expect
of
his life span. Maybe another year or two.
  
  
  Is Salome just
a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old, shemust be a
carrier??
  
  
  Barbara Baass
  
  Hideyo
Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
This is just
so
depressing to think about, isnt it?
I look at
Ginger, who is
just a year old and every day, I fear of the day  but fortunately she
is
doing very good and try not to think about it too much, instead, I try
to
concentrate on loving her more - I am going to continue to fight with
Ginger no matter what..




From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Barbara Baass
Sent: Tuesday, May
31, 2005 3:04
PM
To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: average
lifespan



Doesn't seem to be a
long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or
6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the
bone
marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have
to go
through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we
do.


Barbra Baass

Terri
Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  
  
  Samantha
was 3 (1999)
  
  
  Arielle
was 4-1/2 (2001)
  
  
  Gareth
was 6-1/2 (2003)
  
  
  Alec
was 5-1/2 (2003)
  
  
  
  
  
  Salome'
is still with me. She's 9.
  
  
  
  
  
  RuthieGirl
was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related
death; she was Salome's littermate).
  
  
  Siggie,
Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative.
  
  
  
  
  
  =^..^=
Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire,
Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle,
Gareth and
Alec =^..^=
  
  
  
  
  
  Furkid
Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/
My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350
  
  

- Original Message
- 


From: Gloria
B. Lane 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



Sent: Monday, May
30, 2005 11:44 PM


Subject: Re: average
lifespan




Yo Jenn
-

My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004)

My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003)

My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I 
don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs 
maybe? (2002)

Gloria


Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it 
varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong

her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived 
to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the "average" life
span 
of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan 
expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that 
tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the 
study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of 
the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 
20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone 
here 

Re: Tad's Sammy

2005-06-02 Thread Tad Burnett

Thank you all for the kind words about Sammy...
Sammy did have a full life and an interesting story...
He originally came to me as SD named after the
Suffuc Downs horse race track near Boston MA.
where he came from...When feeding the ferals there
there was one cat that came up to be patted and
picked up...They decided to rescue him and when
they brought a carrier for him he walked in himself...

They brought him to the vet for a check up..FeLV+...
But he was such a good boy they decided to try
one time on the internet...I had spent some time
in that area years ago so I wrote back and said I
would take him...

His teeth were all rotten and he had to be neutered
before I could bring him home but from the very
1st moment that I saw him he was my cat..He joined
the others in my FeLV room with no problem at all
and he always slept by my head at night...

He liked to sit in the window and watch outside...
He would have liked to go outside againBut
one day soon after I got  him it was snowing
and he jumped in the window and took one look
and jumped back down...He knew what snow was
and didn't want to be outside that day

A while later I got a call from the rescue person that
I had gotten him from and they found a worker at the
track that had asked about him...It seems there was
an old woman that had lived in one of the horse barns
and his name was Sammy and he had lived with the old
woman but she had cancer and had passed away...
The man was happy that Sammy had a good home
because he knew him from before.

Sammy was old and I feed him special food which he
ate well but never put on much weight and he had
arthritis but he never showed any sign of anything
unusual until Saturday night when he didn't finish his food
the way he usually did and was shacking his head...
I thought it might be one of his remaining teeth...
Then on Sunday he just looked at his food but wouldn't
eat...An hour later I found him with blood coming out
of his mouthThe vet said to watch him and put me on
for early appointment for Monday morning.Monday
morning he couldn't close his mouth with a huge swelling
under his tongue...

The vet said it was most likely a cancer tumor with a
burst blood vessel and the whole lower jaw was involved...
He would have had to remove the lower jaw to get rid
of it and because of his age he probably wouldn't have
made itHe was in pain and the only humain thing to
do was to help him on to the Rainbow Bridge

It all happened so quickly that I was just studded by it all
and I miss my old friend but perhaps I will get to see him
again

If you would add his name to the CLS list that would be nice..

Tad






Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread Tad Burnett




 I would like to point out a couple thingsI and
others have heard of the Angel Wings on Long Island NYThis is not
the same one that we have the pictures of in Tenn
Please don't confuse the 2 as I believe the one on Long Island
continues to be a very well run place...

Secondly...These pictures look like someone went there and photographed
all the bad stuff they could find...The dead animals were bad...What I
had expected to see was cages stacked to the ceiling in a dark room
with one small windowActuall...I don't know a cat that wouldn't
rather be ending his life by basking in the sun atop a junk wood pile
or hanging around a junk car in the tall grass than being locked up in
a 2 x 3 cage...

But surprisingly they didn't show but a couple cats...Some had been
shaved but their ribs weren't showing...I would like to form my opinion
of this place on some detailed pictures of all the cats and perhaps a
video of these cats reacting with their people...Pictures of empty
Science Diet bags thrown out behind the house don't really tell me much
except that somebody has been eating well...

Maybe before we bash all shelters and homes we could set up a home
visit type of data base of these types of places so we could recommend
or not from out own personal experience rather than some unknown person
who very well mat be a cat hater

What do you think ???
Tad


Belinda Sauro wrote:

Jenn,
  
 Thank you that is fabulous :)
  
  





Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-09 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Belinda..
 Yes ..I did read the story and personally I can't see why anyone
would send their pet to a place they couldn't visit before and after it
went there...Perhaps the cats that come here are ones like mine...Last
chance cats...Nobody wanted them and there lives were saved from the
gas chamber...

 I guess a point that I wanted to make was that the quality of the
photographs wasn't any better than the property...And it didn't show
the whole story..namely where were all the cats.

Hopefully we are all confusing this place with Angel Gate (as far as
place where we have taken our cats) and no one has taken them to Angel
Wings...I just wanted everyone to realize that they are not the same
place..are a world of difference...

I hope it turns out that no body has taken there cat there and is
paying a lot of good money for its stay their...

Tad


Belinda Sauro wrote:

Tad,
  
 Did you read the story, no one is allowed to visit?
  
  





Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contactinfo)

2005-06-10 Thread Tad Burnett




Jenn
 Are you offering the safe environment and transportation for these
cats
You seem quit knowledgable but don't you know that a safe environment
in these parts of the country means PTS
 I don't know where you got your information that these cats are
suffering so much...Please give me the details other than the word of
some amature photographer and a throw away camera

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Please guys, if you haven't called
yet, please take just about 5 minutes to leave a message on two
voicemail machines!
  
  CallScott McCluen, the District
Attorney General at: (865) 376-2145
  
  And the Roane County Sheriff, David B.
Haggard at: (865) 376-5582
  
  Anyone who has not called yet, please
do so, just a quick message left on anyone at those office's voicemails
could help get this processed faster, and save these cats! They have
automated menus, but really, just state that it's a message for either
the sheriff or the district attorney, and urge them to please take
immediate action to get the cats out of Angel Wings, and into a safe
environment as quickly as possible, and to fully prosecute Ms. Harvey
to every extent possible.
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
  
  If you use KMR, even just one can,
please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help
feed Bazil!
  

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Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-10 Thread Tad Burnett




Jenn
 You may be right...I don't think these are the same pictures I looked
at...I don't remember the inside at all...As somebody else said...Is
anybody livibg there or have they been abandoned???
 I would think those inside pictures would be enough to show to a
local official and with rescue onboard, cages in hand get a sherif
escorted visit...

 The point is I guess...I don't believe in voting or writing letters
etc. on something that I have to take somebody elses word on unless I
know that person very well personaly...By those pictures they should be
able to handel the problem localy...

And even here in VT they have a very active feral program to support a
number of cats that live outdoors through our -30 degree winter nights
..
And for that matter..those happy ending nuns cats are moving to ski
country in NY...They may have to deal with a bit colder weather next
winter too...

Tad


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I did not mean to say you are doing
nothing to save cats in general, I meant you are doing nothing in THIS
case, sorry if I wasn't clear. I know you do alot in other cases.
  
  They are ALREADY dying AT this place http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/deadinyard.jpg,
so saying that you wont support the actions unless you are sure no
death will come of it doesn't really make much sense (death is coming
of it IF we do nothing).
  
  You MUST not have looked at ALL of the
photos Tad, the lush country side you speak of is a small consolation
for the ones INSIDE in THIS: http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/floor.jpg
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/bagscoffeetable.jpg
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/kitchen.jpg
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/fecescat.jpg(look
there, feces in the food)
  
  And this is the lush countryside?
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/watersupply.jpg
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/yard.jpg
  
  This cat is DRINKING that water! http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/dump.jpg
  
  The rescue that is working with Ms.
Harvey (she's already turned over 6 cats voluntarily) is working very
hard to be there when it all goes down, to try to save these cats from
going intothe hands of the cityanimal control. Unlike you, I do not
believe that it is humane to let cats fend for themselves with minimal
shelter and food, they are domesticated animals, and I feel they
require a clean and safe living enviroment to thrive. Even minimal
shelter is questionable in this case, it must REEK of ammonia inside
that trailer that serves as their "shelter"! Cats have very sensitive
respiratory tracts, and being forced to find refuge in filth that reeks
of ammonia is very bad for them.
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
Jenn
 Please don't say I am doing nothingTrue..I am doing nothing on
getting someone that may be doing a lot more than you are to save cats
from be ing shut down
 I asked for the proof that these cats were sufferingThey may have
a couple junk piles but that has little to do on how the cats are being
cared for...In the lush country side shown in the pictures most cats
could survive quit well on their own and just having some very minimul
shelter and care is far better than being rounded up and pronounced too
sick to save and being PTS the same day...No time to get any rescue in
to save them unless like the nuns the rescue goes in with the sherif
and does the seizure...There just isn't room for these cats to remain
alive at an instance notice...
I just don't think writing a bunch of letter to officials complaining
is going to bring a happy ending to these catsOver and over again
if you follow up a seizure most of the animals are PTS the same day

 And by the way..as far as doing nothing...Remember those 3 FeLV+ cats
you were going to take from NJ if you could set up
transportation...Well..It so happened that I had taken in an FeLV+ from
a few miles away down there just a month before...The same transport
that I used was readily still available and I was going to take the
remaining 2 positives...Fortunately the hole mess was taken care of
locally...

Yes...In the last 6 months I have lost 3 cats...But I have taken in 2
seniors left at my vets office to be PTS becouse our local no kill
shelter had no room for them...And we don't even have a big problem
here in VT...Also The shelter called me and asked if I could take a
beautiful long haired buff colored cat that had be brought in
stray...His ears half gone from frost bite...and FeLV+Probably some
students kitten that grew up and got put outside at Green Mountain
Collage...
My vet bills and food bills are well over $400 a month for my 27 rescue
cats and it all comes out of my pocket...
But you are right...I will not write letters to a sherif 1000 miles
away 

Re: Angel Wings FELV+ cats

2005-06-11 Thread Tad Burnett




Jenn
 I just want to say that now I am very much behind this letter...This
is the concern...A pos test is a quick death sentence and even for the
negatives that are running free with the pos

Have you any idea what kind of numbers we are talking about ?? Is
Peaceful Kingdom a local rescue group in Tenn.?? And Kara and Holly
??? Is there anyway we could get them to join us ???
I have a YaHoo group already in place that we started a year ago for a
place to handle a similar problem of transportation and temp foster
etc. and anyone is welcome to join it if its felt that this is getting
too much for this list Come to

   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/

to join...

Also I have a garage that could house a large number of positives for
the summer and I would be willing to pick them up at Newburg
NY..(intersection of I87 and I80)...Still a very long way from Tenn.
though

Tad



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Dear directors at Peaceful Kingdom
Rescue,
  
  Hi, I don't know if we have spoken yet
(I'm trying to reach the person who is making all the decisions), but I
have been speaking to Kara and Holly a bit. I am a member of the
largest FELV support group in the country (probably the world), and
several of our members have in the past taken cats to AW, or referred
others to take their cats to AW. We are concerned, as a whole, about
this part of the notice you sent out:
  
  "Any
animal surrendered by Rehnee Harvey will be thoroughly checked out by a
vet (tested, examined, vaccinated, etc) and placed into a foster home,
if such a home can be identified. If a foster home cannot be found and
sufficient funds can be secured, some of the animals may be boarded
temporarily. Being able to place these animals in a temporary foster
home or boarding facility will help to keep them from being
euthanized. All of these animals will be put up for adoption
unless they test positive for aids or leukemia.
  We will list them on various web sites and they can attend
various weekend adoption events as well. Foster
parents will be given support in trying to find permanent homes for
these cats."
  
  While we find it noble of you to promise to do
your best to find homes for all the negative cats, we are concerned
that you do not mentioned your plans for the FELV+ and FIV+ cats which
are homed at AW. Many of these cats were taken there simply because it
was thought to be a wonderful, caring sanctuary for them, and the idea
that they may now end up being euthanised simply because of their
positive status concerns us very much (we sent them there JUST BECAUSE
this would not happen to them there). We would like to connect as many
as possible of these FELV+ and FIV+ cats back with their original
owners, or FELV+ foster homes within our group. We need your help. We
need to know that you are willing to work with the positive cats too,
in trying to get them back to those of us who have placed them at AW
not realizing that it would be a death sentence for them! We, at the
FELV support group, and the entire FELV+ cat community feel that FELV
is NOT a death sentence, and we work VERY hard to try to place as many
FELV+ cats in good homes or permanent sanctuaries as possible. Many of
us are personally attached to these cats, and we want to recover as
many as possible! If I can arrange foster homes, or find their original
owners, I need to know that you can find at least ONE person down there
that can temporarily house these FELV+ cats until one of our members
can arrange transport for them (surely someone has an extra bathroom in
their house). On a daily basis, our notices have been being responded
to, and every day another owner of a FELV or FIV positive cat comes out
of the wood-work to say that they want their cat that was sent to AW
back! We CAN place at least some these cats, please help us help them!
We need your support. FELV is NOT a death sentence!
  
  Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  

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Re: Angel Wings FELV+ cats

2005-06-13 Thread Tad Burnett





Hi Jenn
 Yes..I am in VT too..Mt.Holly..About 15 miles SE of Rutland on Rt
103...
My garage is connected to the house via a screened in breeze way and I
keep the 7 FeLV+ cats in the room that connects to the breeze way so
its not a big problem to use the garage during warm weatherThat
should at least give us some time to sort them out as to their
future...I don't want to commit to keeping them all forever if there is
a lot of them...I am really pushing the limits now with my 27...The
cats don't have a problem but its a full time jobI think I
mentioned I am retired
Anyway that leaves me free at any time to respond to this..but with the
animals here I don't stay away overnight or over 20 hours...I would be
willing to travel as far as Newburg NY which is at the northern tip of
NJ...I84 and I87...Someone coming from Tenn. might want to come across
I80
Thats going to be the big problem I suspectI wonder if any of your
connections down that way can work on that???

OK...keep in touch
Tad


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Sorry, guys, I worked a long 10 hour
day yesterday, and didn't get online, I'm back on it today! :)
  
  That's great Tad, and this has always
been my concern, the rescue of the FELV+ cats from this "rescue". I
will pass your letter on to Kara and Holly (those are the two local
rescue ladies who have direct contact with the AW case). Peaceful
Kingdom is the rescue in TN that is working to save as many of the AW
cats as possible (but they don't say their intended fate for the pos
kitties). I THINK that Kara and Holly work for them, but I am not sure
of that, I will ask how they are connected, and I believe I have
already invited at least one of them to the group, but I will ask them
again.
  
  Your very generous offer to use your
garage will be well received, and they very well may need to take you
up on the offer. I'm here in VT too, Tad, and if you need any help, I
am more than happy to come lend a hand. (I'm in Hardwick, not sure I
remember your location, though I recall you're also in VT, right?).
  
  I have not gone through my email from
yesterday yet, I'm sure I have an update from Holly or Kara in there
somewhere, I'll send it to the list when I find it (I get individual
emails for about 20 lists, so I have a LOT to go through yet, I read
yours first)
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
  Jenn
 I just want to say that now I am very much behind this letter...This
is the concern...A pos test is a quick death sentence and even for the
negatives that are running free with the pos

Have you any idea what kind of numbers we are talking about ?? Is
Peaceful Kingdom a local rescue group in Tenn.?? And Kara and Holly
??? Is there anyway we could get them to join us ???
I have a Yahoo group already in place that we started a year ago for a
place to handle a similar problem of transportation and temp foster
etc. and anyone is welcome to join it if its felt that this is getting
too much for this list Come to 
  
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/
  
  to join...

Also I have a garage that could house a large number of positives for
the summer and I would be willing to pick them up at Newburg
NY..(intersection of I87 and I80)...Still a very long way from Tenn.
though

  
  

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Re: Angel Wings FELV+ cats

2005-06-17 Thread Tad Burnett




Is there any update on status at Angel Wings ???
Tad

Four Paws Trail wrote:
I would be VERY leary about sending ANY cat to Angel
Wings!!
  
  
At 01:09 PM 6/13/2005, Tad Burnett wrote:
  
  
  Hi Jenn

 Yes..I am in VT too..Mt.Holly..About 15 miles SE of Rutland on Rt
103...

My garage is connected to the house via a screened in breeze way and I
keep the 7 FeLV+ cats in the room that connects to the breeze way so
its not a big problem to use the garage during warm weatherThat
should at least give us some time to sort them out as to their
future...I don't want to commit to keeping them all forever if there is
a lot of them...I am really pushing the limits now with my 27...The
cats don't have a problem but its a full time jobI think I
mentioned I am retired

Anyway that leaves me free at any time to respond to this..but with the
animals here I don't stay away overnight or over 20 hours...I would be
willing to travel as far as Newburg NY which is at the northern tip of
NJ...I84 and I87...Someone coming from Tenn. might want to come across
I80

Thats going to be the big problem I suspectI wonder if any of your
connections down that way can work on that???


OK...keep in touch

Tad



mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry, guys, I worked a long 10 hour day
yesterday, and didn't get online, I'm back on it today! :)
  
  
That's great Tad, and this has always been my concern, the rescue of
the FELV+ cats from this "rescue". I will pass your letter on to Kara
and Holly (those are the two local rescue ladies who have direct
contact with the AW case). Peaceful Kingdom is the rescue in TN that is
working to save as many of the AW cats as possible (but they don't say
their intended fate for the pos kitties). I THINK that Kara and Holly
work for them, but I am not sure of that, I will ask how they are
connected, and I believe I have already invited at least one of them to
the group, but I will ask them again.
  
  
Your very generous offer to use your garage will be well received, and
they very well may need to take you up on the offer. I'm here in VT
too, Tad, and if you need any help, I am more than happy to come lend a
hand. (I'm in Hardwick, not sure I remember your location, though I
recall you're also in VT, right?).
  
  
I have not gone through my email from yesterday yet, I'm sure I have an
update from Holly or Kara in there somewhere, I'll send it to the list
when I find it (I get individual emails for about 20 lists, so I have a
LOT to go through yet, I read yours first)
  
  
Jenn
  
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http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
~~~
  
Jenn
  
 I just want to say that now I am very much behind this letter...This
is the concern...A pos test is a quick death sentence and even for the
negatives that are running free with the pos
  
  
Have you any idea what kind of numbers we are talking about ?? Is
Peaceful Kingdom a local rescue group in Tenn.?? And Kara and Holly
??? Is there anyway we could get them to join us ???
  
I have a Yahoo group already in place that we started a year ago for a
place to handle a similar problem of transportation and temp foster
etc. and anyone is welcome to join it if its felt that this is getting
too much for this list Come to
  
  

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/

  
to join...
  
  
Also I have a garage that could house a large number of positives for
the summer and I would be willing to pick them up at Newburg
NY..(intersection of I87 and I80)...Still a very long way from Tenn.
though
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: question re clinics' ability to meet emergency needs

2005-06-26 Thread Tad Burnett




The shelters are full of healthy adult cats that are on
death row simply because they are adults
I bet if you were to save one of their lives they would be more than
willing to donate some blood from time to timeCheck with your vet
if a blood test for compatibility could be done before the adoption was
finalized

Tad





Re: FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings yesterday

2005-07-01 Thread Tad Burnett




Jenn
 One of my 1st FeLV cats was also flea infested, bald and anemic...
She was dosed with Advantage and made a full recovery...
Tad
PS..I will be away for the rest of today (Friday) but will be here the
rest of the weekend
and I still will foster the FeLV+'s for the summer..

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  If needed, I can take at least one FeLV+ cat. I live in
Michigan, so we would have to setup a transport. Let me know if you
need my help.
  
  God Bless,
  Chris Behnke
  
  --
Original message -- 



UPDATE:


"We seized 50-60 cats from Angel Wings yesterday. Briefly, we
found 10 dead cats in varying stages of decay. Got 35 or so cats
vetted. 3 were FeLV+ and 6 were FIV. We want to get pictures of these
guys up quick. Please call me if you need to. We do not really have
space and resources, fosters etc. If we find an owner, that would be
great."

"It was worse than I thought,
guess worse than anyone thought. I alternated between crying and
puking. 

Three FeLV cats so far. All the cats look like
crap, including these. Think there were 4, but one was in horrible
shape and was euthanized. I am sure they photographed it though. I
was still onsite catching cats and dogs. The fleas were amazing. I
will have to flea bomb my car now. I know I have fleas crawling all
over me now. Eek!

Oh then there were the dogs, many feral, lots of
mange, lots of fleas. Some looked OK, can't figure why someone cares
for some, and not the others. This is such a crazy situation. Guess
crazy people are like that.

These poor guys lookso bad, thin, little hair
because of fleas, etc, not sure anyone will recognize them. Pitiful."



So far, FOUR FELV+ cats were
recovered, one was so sick that they humanely euthanised him. Three are
in decent shape and need to be rescued. There are still almost 30 cats
that have not yet been vetted, so the numbers may rise. Now, we need to
figure out how to get them from Tennessee to Tad in Vermont. I'm
working on it. Pictures of all cats should be available soon, so we can
attempt to find pervious owners. That is the first step, return as many
cats as possible to their original owners if they will take them back.
We still have NO HOME for the FIV+ cats. The FIV+ cats are in immediate
danger of being euthanised if no foster homes come forward. Kara said
she could cope with 2 or 3, but she's already overwhelmed with the
numbers so far. 

Of the three cats removed, from what I recall her telling me
over the phone:
One is white and has very nasty damaged curled up and crusty
ears with open sores and scabs (possibly cancer, they are considering
euthanasia)
One is black and white
One is a dilute gray tortoise shell calico

All three cats are missing hair and extremely thin and in poor
shape, so matching them to photos is very difficult. I have advised
them NOT to euthanise ANY of them unless they are in obvious pain and
are suffering, and have advised blood transfusions for any severe
anemia, though cost (and donors)is a factor. All have severe flea
infestations, and I have also advised them NOT to use revolution on the
sick and weak cats (which means almost every cat removed).

I will keep updating as more info
comes through.




Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html


~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

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please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help
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Subject:

FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings yesterday
  
  

From: 
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Date: 
Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:51:45 -0500
  
  

To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  

  
  

  

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Re: Current FELV and FIV cats up for euthansia - could these be yours?

2005-07-02 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Jenn
 Just got home from a big family get to gether supper...
And reading your message...
Sounds like I would be making a number of trips to my vet...Handeling
open woonds isn't my favorit thing to do but my vet is very reasonable
Are these woonds from scratching themselves becouse of the fleas???
 One question I would ask...Are these cats people friendly and easy to
handel???
And we are talking about a 1500 mile transport which will be a big
stress for an FeLV+...
Are they strong enough to survive that??
If they are reasonably tame I will deal with the medical problems so
long as there are no hard feelings if at my vets advice I have them
PTS...Neather my vet nor I call for that easily
Getting the transport will be the big job...
In the mean time will the vet down there get rid of the flras and ear
mites...They can kill a healthy cat...Antibiotics and sub-q liquid and
a couple good meales shouldn't be a big deal..See what they look like
then...If they are strong enough to show improvement I would say save
them...

 Whats everybody else think...Can we do it ???
Tad


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  This is the list of cats that the vets are holding JUST FOR ME,
and would overwise already be DEAD. I need opinions people, do these
sound treatable, and should we try to get them transported? Tad? Do you
have the time to nurse open sores and that type of severe injury? I'm
recommending saving the dilute calico, sounds like she just needs
rehydrated and fed. I'm also demanding they save the black DSH, because
I may know his owner, so he will be held til I can get picture
tomorrow. I'm up in the air about the buff guy with open pressure
sores, and all that mess, he sounds like he is suffering, should I give
the OK to euthanise him guys?
  
  I have no say over the FIV cats, as I don't have fosters for
them, so if they sound like they could be one you are seeking, let me
know ASAP, before they euthanise them!
  
  I have the records for the 3 FeLV cats: I will just list what
is abnormal. Please let me know what you think. I can get pictures
and send them to you if you need them tomorrow.
  
  Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years
  Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up
  Ear mites
  Fleas 4+
  Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth
  Dehydrated
  Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia
  
  Buff DSH, ~4 years
  Eyes - conjunctivitis
  Ears -mites
  Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma
  Abdomen - hernia over incision
  Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis
  Legs/feet - pressure sores
  Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge,
missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas
  Needs Euthanized
  
  Black DSH, 6 years
  Ears - mites
  Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis
  Abdominal - thin
  Mouth - moderate tarter
  Notes: none
  
  Then I have two bad FIVs:
  
  White with gray DSH,5 years
  Eyes - sunken
  Ears - mites
  Skin - fleas, thin hair
  Mouth - see below
  Dehydrated
  Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal,
gingivitis, URI
  Body condition, 1.5
  Vet recommends euthanasia
  
  Buff DSH, 4 years
  Eyes - sunken
  Ears - mites
  Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg,
pressure sores, possible mange
  Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne
  Dehydrated
  Notes - recommends euthanasia
  
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
  
  If you use KMR, even just one can,
please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help
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Re: Current FELV and FIV cats up for euthansia - could these be yours?

2005-07-02 Thread Tad Burnett




I suppose the bottom line...Do any of these cats have
sponsers that would want to help with expenses should be a
consideration and on the other hand its probably just as easy to
transport 4 or 6 as it is to transport only 1
Tad

Tad Burnett wrote:

  
  
  Hi Jenn
 Just got home from a big family get to gether supper...
And reading your message...
Sounds like I would be making a number of trips to my vet...Handeling
open woonds isn't my favorit thing to do but my vet is very reasonable
Are these woonds from scratching themselves becouse of the fleas???
 One question I would ask...Are these cats people friendly and easy to
handel???
And we are talking about a 1500 mile transport which will be a big
stress for an FeLV+...
Are they strong enough to survive that??
If they are reasonably tame I will deal with the medical problems so
long as there are no hard feelings if at my vets advice I have them
PTS...Neather my vet nor I call for that easily
Getting the transport will be the big job...
In the mean time will the vet down there get rid of the flras and ear
mites...They can kill a healthy cat...Antibiotics and sub-q liquid and
a couple good meales shouldn't be a big deal..See what they look like
then...If they are strong enough to show improvement I would say save
them...

 Whats everybody else think...Can we do it ???
Tad
  
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  




This is the list of cats that the vets are holding JUST FOR
ME,
and would overwise already be DEAD. I need opinions people, do these
sound treatable, and should we try to get them transported? Tad? Do you
have the time to nurse open sores and that type of severe injury? I'm
recommending saving the dilute calico, sounds like she just needs
rehydrated and fed. I'm also demanding they save the black DSH, because
I may know his owner, so he will be held til I can get picture
tomorrow. I'm up in the air about the buff guy with open pressure
sores, and all that mess, he sounds like he is suffering, should I give
the OK to euthanise him guys?

I have no say over the FIV cats, as I don't have fosters for
them, so if they sound like they could be one you are seeking, let me
know ASAP, before they euthanise them!

I have the records for the 3 FeLV cats: I will just list what
is abnormal. Please let me know what you think. I can get pictures
and send them to you if you need them tomorrow.

Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years
Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up
Ear mites
Fleas 4+
Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth
Dehydrated
Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia

Buff DSH, ~4 years
Eyes - conjunctivitis
Ears -mites
Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma
Abdomen - hernia over incision
Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis
Legs/feet - pressure sores
Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge,
missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas
Needs Euthanized

Black DSH, 6 years
Ears - mites
Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis
Abdominal - thin
Mouth - moderate tarter
Notes: none

Then I have two bad FIVs:

White with gray DSH,5 years
Eyes - sunken
Ears - mites
Skin - fleas, thin hair
Mouth - see below
Dehydrated
Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal,
gingivitis, URI
Body condition, 1.5
Vet recommends euthanasia

Buff DSH, 4 years
Eyes - sunken
Ears - mites
Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg,
pressure sores, possible mange
Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne
Dehydrated
Notes - recommends euthanasia


Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html


~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can,
please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help
feed Bazil!

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Re: Current FELV and FIV cats up for euthansia - could these be yours?

2005-07-02 Thread Tad Burnett




I think it was Mary that said to talk to them and ask
them if they want to live...
I think a cats natural instinct is to stop eating when its time to go...
Thus this would be a good test too...If they eat and drink well thats a
good sign...
A/D or A/D with a little tomato juice (same as liver shake) is a good
way to ask 
Tad

Tad Burnett wrote:

  
  
  I suppose the bottom line...Do any of these cats have
sponsers that would want to help with expenses should be a
consideration and on the other hand its probably just as easy to
transport 4 or 6 as it is to transport only 1
Tad
  
Tad Burnett wrote:
  


Hi Jenn
 Just got home from a big family get to gether supper...
And reading your message...
Sounds like I would be making a number of trips to my vet...Handeling
open woonds isn't my favorit thing to do but my vet is very reasonable
Are these woonds from scratching themselves becouse of the fleas???
 One question I would ask...Are these cats people friendly and easy to
handel???
And we are talking about a 1500 mile transport which will be a big
stress for an FeLV+...
Are they strong enough to survive that??
If they are reasonably tame I will deal with the medical problems so
long as there are no hard feelings if at my vets advice I have them
PTS...Neather my vet nor I call for that easily
Getting the transport will be the big job...
In the mean time will the vet down there get rid of the flras and ear
mites...They can kill a healthy cat...Antibiotics and sub-q liquid and
a couple good meales shouldn't be a big deal..See what they look like
then...If they are strong enough to show improvement I would say save
them...

 Whats everybody else think...Can we do it ???
Tad


[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  
  
  
  
  This is the list of cats that the vets are holding JUST FOR
ME,
and would overwise already be DEAD. I need opinions people, do these
sound treatable, and should we try to get them transported? Tad? Do you
have the time to nurse open sores and that type of severe injury? I'm
recommending saving the dilute calico, sounds like she just needs
rehydrated and fed. I'm also demanding they save the black DSH, because
I may know his owner, so he will be held til I can get picture
tomorrow. I'm up in the air about the buff guy with open pressure
sores, and all that mess, he sounds like he is suffering, should I give
the OK to euthanise him guys?
  
  I have no say over the FIV cats, as I don't have fosters for
them, so if they sound like they could be one you are seeking, let me
know ASAP, before they euthanise them!
  
  I have the records for the 3 FeLV cats: I will just list
what
is abnormal. Please let me know what you think. I can get pictures
and send them to you if you need them tomorrow.
  
  Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years
  Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up
  Ear mites
  Fleas 4+
  Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth
  Dehydrated
  Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia
  
  Buff DSH, ~4 years
  Eyes - conjunctivitis
  Ears -mites
  Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma
  Abdomen - hernia over incision
  Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis
  Legs/feet - pressure sores
  Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal
discharge,
missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas
  Needs Euthanized
  
  Black DSH, 6 years
  Ears - mites
  Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis
  Abdominal - thin
  Mouth - moderate tarter
  Notes: none
  
  Then I have two bad FIVs:
  
  White with gray DSH,5 years
  Eyes - sunken
  Ears - mites
  Skin - fleas, thin hair
  Mouth - see below
  Dehydrated
  Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal,
gingivitis, URI
  Body condition, 1.5
  Vet recommends euthanasia
  
  Buff DSH, 4 years
  Eyes - sunken
  Ears - mites
  Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg,
pressure sores, possible mange
  Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne
  Dehydrated
  Notes - recommends euthanasia
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
  
  If you use KMR, even just one can,
please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help
feed Bazil!
  
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Re: Current FELV and FIV cats up for euthansia - could these be yours?

2005-07-03 Thread Tad Burnett




Are my posts getting through???
Still waiting to hear anything on the fate of the FeLV+ cats...
What do you think about my "will the eat??" test as a go / nogo test
for the ones selected to be transported to Vermont???

Tad


Tad Burnett wrote:

  
  
  I think it was Mary that said to talk to them and ask
them if they want to live...
I think a cats natural instinct is to stop eating when its time to go...
Thus this would be a good test too...If they eat and drink well thats a
good sign...
A/D or A/D with a little tomato juice (same as liver shake) is a good
way to ask !!!!
Tad
  
Tad Burnett wrote:
  


I suppose the bottom line...Do any of these cats
have
sponsers that would want to help with expenses should be a
consideration and on the other hand its probably just as easy to
transport 4 or 6 as it is to transport only 1
Tad

Tad Burnett wrote:

  
  
  Hi Jenn
 Just got home from a big family get to gether supper...
And reading your message...
Sounds like I would be making a number of trips to my vet...Handeling
open woonds isn't my favorit thing to do but my vet is very reasonable
Are these woonds from scratching themselves becouse of the fleas???
 One question I would ask...Are these cats people friendly and easy to
handel???
And we are talking about a 1500 mile transport which will be a big
stress for an FeLV+...
Are they strong enough to survive that??
If they are reasonably tame I will deal with the medical problems so
long as there are no hard feelings if at my vets advice I have them
PTS...Neather my vet nor I call for that easily
Getting the transport will be the big job...
In the mean time will the vet down there get rid of the flras and ear
mites...They can kill a healthy cat...Antibiotics and sub-q liquid and
a couple good meales shouldn't be a big deal..See what they look like
then...If they are strong enough to show improvement I would say save
them...

 Whats everybody else think...Can we do it ???
Tad
  
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  




This is the list of cats that the vets are holding JUST
FOR
ME,
and would overwise already be DEAD. I need opinions people, do these
sound treatable, and should we try to get them transported? Tad? Do you
have the time to nurse open sores and that type of severe injury? I'm
recommending saving the dilute calico, sounds like she just needs
rehydrated and fed. I'm also demanding they save the black DSH, because
I may know his owner, so he will be held til I can get picture
tomorrow. I'm up in the air about the buff guy with open pressure
sores, and all that mess, he sounds like he is suffering, should I give
the OK to euthanise him guys?

I have no say over the FIV cats, as I don't have fosters
for
them, so if they sound like they could be one you are seeking, let me
know ASAP, before they euthanise them!

I have the records for the 3 FeLV cats: I will just list
what
is abnormal. Please let me know what you think. I can get pictures
and send them to you if you need them tomorrow.

Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years
Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up
Ear mites
Fleas 4+
Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth
Dehydrated
Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia

Buff DSH, ~4 years
Eyes - conjunctivitis
Ears -mites
Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma
Abdomen - hernia over incision
Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis
Legs/feet - pressure sores
Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal
discharge,
missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas
Needs Euthanized

Black DSH, 6 years
Ears - mites
Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis
Abdominal - thin
Mouth - moderate tarter
Notes: none

Then I have two bad FIVs:

White with gray DSH,5 years
Eyes - sunken
Ears - mites
Skin - fleas, thin hair
Mouth - see below
Dehydrated
Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal,
gingivitis, URI
Body condition, 1.5
Vet recommends euthanasia

Buff DSH, 4 years
Eyes - sunken
Ears - mites
Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear
leg,
pressure sores, possible mange
Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne
Dehydrated
Notes - recommends euthanasia


Jenn
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Re: Current FELV and FIV cats up for euthansia - could these be yours?

2005-07-03 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Tonya
 Mt thought exactly...With all the stress of being moved and a 1500
mile transport ahead of them...
I don't know what kind of care they are getting now but its been a
couple days already and FeLV+'s won't fight off the virus long if they
aren't eating now
And if they are eating well they have a good chance of pulling through
it all, from my experience...
Tad

catatonya wrote:

  Hi Tad,
  
  Your posts are coming through, I think most people are just gone
for the holiday. I personally think your idea is a good one.
Although, you can forcefeed, I think these cats have been through so
much already that I probably would let them go if they weren't eating.
  
  tonya
  
  Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Are my posts getting through???
Still waiting to hear anything on the fate of the FeLV+ cats...
What do you think about my "will the eat??" test as a go / nogo test
for the ones selected to be transported to Vermont???

Tad
    

Tad Burnett wrote:
I think it was Mary that said to talk to them and ask them
if they want to live...
I think a cats natural instinct is to stop eating when its time to go...
Thus this would be a good test too...If they eat and drink well thats a
good sign...
A/D or A/D with a little tomato juice (same as liver shake) is a good
way to ask 
Tad
  
Tad Burnett wrote:
  I suppose the bottom line...Do any of these cats have
sponsers that would want to help with expenses should be a
consideration and on the other hand its probably just as easy to
transport 4 or 6 as it is to transport only 1
Tad
    
Tad Burnett wrote:
Hi Jenn
 Just got home from a big family get to gether supper...
And reading your message...
Sounds like I would be making a number of trips to my vet...Handeling
open woonds isn't my favorit thing to do but my vet is very reasonable
Are these woonds from scratching themselves becouse of the fleas???
 One question I would ask...Are these cats people friendly and easy to
handel???
And we are talking about a 1500 mile transport which will be a big
stress for an FeLV+...
Are they strong enough to survive that??
If they are reasonably tame I will deal with the medical problems so
long as there are no hard feelings if at my vets advice I have them
PTS...Neather my vet nor I call for that easily
Getting the transport will be the big job...
In the mean time will the vet down there get rid of the flras and ear
mites...They can kill a healthy cat...Antibiotics and sub-q liquid and
a couple good meales shouldn't be a big deal..See what they look like
then...If they are strong enough to show improvement I would say save
them...

 Whats everybody else think...Can we do it ???
Tad
  
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  



This is the list of cats that the vets are holding
JUST FOR ME, and would overwise already be DEAD. I need opinions
people, do these sound treatable, and should we try to get them
transported? Tad? Do you have the time to nurse open sores and that
type of severe injury? I'm recommending saving the dilute calico,
sounds like she just needs rehydrated and fed. I'm also demanding they
save the black DSH, because I may know his owner, so he will be held
til I can get picture tomorrow. I'm up in the air about the buff guy
with open pressure sores, and all that mess, he sounds like he is
suffering, should I give the OK to euthanise him guys?

I have no say over the FIV cats, as I don't have
fosters for them, so if they sound like they could be one you are
seeking, let me know ASAP, before they euthanise them!

I have the records for the 3 FeLV cats: I will just
list what is abnormal. Please let me know what you think. I can get
pictures and send them to you if you need them tomorrow.

Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years
Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up
Ear mites
Fleas 4+
Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth
Dehydrated
Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia

Buff DSH, ~4 years
Eyes - conjunctivitis
Ears -mites
Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma
Abdomen - hernia over incision
Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis
Legs/feet - pressure sores
Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal
discharge, missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on
hocks, fleas
Needs Euthanized

Black DSH, 6 years
Ears - mites
Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis
Abdominal - thin
Mouth - moderate tarter
Notes: none

Then I have two bad FIVs:

White with gray DSH,5 years
Eyes - sunken
Ea

Re: Current FELV and FIV cats up for euthansia - could these be yours?

2005-07-03 Thread Tad Burnett




I suspect that's it...Too bad we couldn't have snagged
one of them to bring them to anywhere eastern half of NY..I would meet
them there...They don't do well sitting in a strange cage

Tad


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AW Cats/ MCMINNVILLE, TN TO RAMSEY, NJ / 1 DOG / SAT 7/9

2005-07-03 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Jenn
 Just saw this on another list...I wonder if there would be any chance
of get any of our cats on board...I could get them from NJ...
Maybe our contact in Tenn knows this shelter and could orange
something 
Tad


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  Subject: 
  [FPTrailTrans] MCMINNVILLE, TN TO RAMSEY, NJ / 1 DOG / SAT
7/9  SUN 7/10 / UPDATE #3


  Date: 
  Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:13:39 -0700 (PDT)


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PLEASE CROSSPOST!
PLEASE
CONTACT TRANSPORT COORDINATOR DIRECTLY
Transport
Coordinator:
Pat / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dates of
Transport:
Saturday, 7/9/05  Sun 7/10/05
Beginning
City  State: McMinnville, TN
Ending City  State: Ramsey, NJ
Reason for
Transport:
Shelter / Temp Foster to Rescue

Our passenger is Fuzzydog.
He was owner-surrendered to the Humane Society of Warren County, McMinnville, TN, in March, 2005. There was no
particular reason; they just didnt want him anymore. It was
subsequently determined that Fuzzy had HW
disease, so the shelter director, graciously, found him a long-term,
temporary foster home for the duration of his treatment. His approved
rescue took financial responsibility for treating him. This has been a
partnership for which everyone is most grateful. We anticipate that
Fuzzy will test HW free and be started on preventative w/in the week.
This means he is now ready to come into the approved rescue. The rescue
already has an approved family patiently waiting to meet and foster
Fuzzy, in the hope that he will become their new forever dog!

Passenger:
Mixed breed, maybe cocker/ wirehaired-something
mix / @ two years old, @ 25-30lbs / UTD, Neutered Male w/Health Cert
and Frontlined / General good health, except for fully treated, prior
HW Disease. Fuzzy has no behavior problems; hes a happy, friendly guy!

PLEASE LET US
KNOW IF YOU HAVE A CRATE, NEED A CRATE, OR PREFER TO TRANSPORT
TETHERED. 
Fuzzy rides
nicely!

Sending
Party: 
Humane
Society of Warren Co
Contact: Beth
City: McMinnville,Tn
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website:
hswc.rescuegroups.org / http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/TN212.html

Receiving
Rescue :
Purrs n Pups Animal Rescue Team, Inc. Riverdale, NJ
Contact: Pat
/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jennifer / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
website: http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/NJ309.html

We are
flexible - MEETING CITIES/LOCATIONS CAN BE CHANGED!
If you can do a partial leg, thats great, too! Any and all help will
be greatly appreciated!

WE LOVE HAVING BACKUP
DRIVERS!

(Please
note: 15 minutes transfer time has been built into each leg)
Saturday. 7/9/04
Leg 1:McMinnville,
TN to Chattanooga, TN
(Exit 178 on I-24) 71 miles / 1hr 30 min
8:30:00 AM to 10.00 AM.
NEEDED!
Leg 2: Chattanooga,
TN to Loudon, TN
(Exit 72 on I-75) 77 miles / 1hr 15 min
10:15 AM to 11:30 AM
NEEDED!
Leg 3: Loudon,
TN to White Pine, TN (
Exit 4 on I-81) 65 miles / 1hr 15 min
11:45 AM to 1:00 PM
NEEDED!
Leg 4: White Pine, TN to Abingdon, VA
(Exit 17 on I-81) 85 miles / 1hr 15 min
1:15 PM to 2:30 PM
NEEDED!
Leg 5:Abingdon, VA to Pulaski,
VA (Exit 89 on I-81) 73
miles / 1hr 15 min
2:45 PM to 4:00 PM
NEEDED!
Leg 6: Pulaski,
VA to Buchanan, VA
(Exit 162 on I-81) 68 miles / 1hr 15 min
4:15 PM to 5:30 PM
FILLED!
Thanks, Kari!
Leg 7: Buchanan,
VA to Harrisonburg, VA
(Exit 327B on I-81) 80 Miles / 1hr 15 min
5:45 PM to 7:00 PM
FILLED!
Thanks, Wayne and Karen!
Leg 8: Harrisonburg
VA to Winchester, VA
(Exit 313 on I-81) 66 miles / 1hr 15 min
7:15 PM to 8:30 PM
NEEDED!

OVERNIGHT IN WINCHESTER, VA
/ MARTINSBURG, WV
/ HAGERSTOWN, MD AREA
TENTATIVELY
FILLED
Sunday, 7/10

Leg 9: Overnight to Carlisle,
PA 52 to 90 miles / 1 hr to 1 hr 30 min
8:00 AM/8:30 AM to 9:30 AM
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Leg 10: Carlisle PA
to Hamburg, PA (Exit 29A on I-78) 71 miles / 1hr
15 min
9:45 AM to
11:00 AM
NEEDED!
Leg 11: Hamburg, PA
to Liberty Corner, NJ (Exit 33 on I-78) 81 miles / 1hr 15 min
11:15 AM to
12:30 PM
FILLED!
Thanks, Barbara!
Leg 12: Liberty
Corner, PA to Ramsey,
NJ (Exit 66 on I-287) 44
miles / 45 min
12:45 PM to
1:00 PM
FILLED!,
Thanks, Barbara!






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Re: AW Cats/ MCMINNVILLE, TN TO RAMSEY, NJ / 1 DOG / SAT 7/9

2005-07-03 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Mary
 I cross posted that transport message before I read Jenn's link to
the pictures ... Looks like we have 8 FeLV+'sAnd from the pictures
they don't look any worse than several of the stray pos's that I have
here when I got them and are doing fine now...
Also looks like they have gotten some cleaning up care where they
are...I was a bit paranoid about that
 I volunteered to clear space for them in my garage for them for the
summer and that should hold 8 OK...But we definitely need our own
transport if we are getting 8 of them...

 I will leave it up to Jenn to call the shots...Just make suggestions
now and then...

Tad

TenHouseCats wrote:

  hey, tad--

while getting the cats moved any which way is a priority, when you're
transporting sick/easily stressed critters, a "normal" transport is
probably NOT the best idea--the more stops, the more moving from
vehicle to vehicle, the more humans handling them, etc. the harder the
trip's gonna be on them that's why we stopped taking cats into the
sanctuary from too far away unless their own humans were bringing them
and would be with them the whole trip. again, if the choice is a
multi-leg transport or none at all, well. then there's the issue
of whether the FeLVs are okay with dogs

if this were last year, i'd drive down and get all the FeLVs myself
and bring 'em up to ny. didn't have a score of foster kittens
then!
  





[Fwd: Re: [kittyschatterbox] Angel Wings Sanctuary Closed]

2005-07-05 Thread Tad Burnett
red corpses. There were nine decomposed
bodies 
inside the house and two fairly recently deceased cats in the front
yard. There 
were a total of 14 dead animals (corpses) found at the three sites.
As a 
result, Rehnee will be charged with an additional 14 counts of felony
animal 
cruelty. 
After going through the house, I took the first 35 cats back to the 
unfinished basement of my house back in Knoxville for vetting. Kara
and other 
volunteers remained in Kingston to visit the remaining two
properties. Two 
wonderful vets, who donated their time and about 15 volunteers worked
for 4 hours 
until all 35 cats had been examined, tested, vaccinated, treated for
fleas, 
worms, and ear mites. Kara arrived at my house at 11:30 pm with an
additional 
23 cats. 
With the foster homes we had lined up, about 20 of the cats who had
been 
vetted were placed quickly into foster homes. The remaining cats were
caged in 
my garage. Most volunteers, after being up till 1 pm Thurs, went to
work 
Fri. The remaining 23 cats were vetted Sat afternoon by another
wonderful vet 
and eight volunteers who donated their time. Most of the cats
rescued from 
the three sites were dehydrated, anemic, covered in fleas, had ear
mites, and 
were painfully thin. 
A total of 59 cats were taken from AW properties Jun 30. The vast
majority 
came from Terrys house. Only five were found at the Cats House
and 1 at 
Rehnees house. Including the cats turned over by Rehnee before the
seizure, 
the total number of cats and kittens taken from Angel Wings is 99. Of
the 
58 cats taken from the premises Jun 30, 13 are positive for aids (FIV)
and 
eight are positive for leukemia (Felv). Thus, 40% of the cats taken
from Angel 
Wings were positive for aids or leukemia. The positive cats were not
kept 
separate from non-positive cats as she told everyone. So far, three
of the 59 
cats seized were euthanized because they were in such bad shape. We
do 
believe that we rescued all of the cats from all AW properties that
were tame. So 
far we have not euthanized any cats just because they have aids or
leukemia. 
We want to wait a little while to see if individuals or other cat
rescue 
groups will take any of these cats. 
On a personal note, feel free to contact us but please be patient. We
have 
barely had time to breathe since Thurs. We still have lots of work
to get 
the remaining cats out of cages and into foster homes. Then we will
have to 
have the unaltered cats fixed and begin the long process of finding
these 
animals permanent homes. It has been a massive effort to date, and
we have a long 
way to go. Rest assured, we are committed to the very end, but we are 
already tired. Kara has been relentless over the past 6 months and
deserves much 
of the credit. You can contact her at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . 
Carmen with Peaceful Kingdom is working very hard to get all of the
pictures 
of cats and dogs catalogued and onto the web. Please be patient.
Pictures 
will be available soon. Our Angel Wings site webmaster is on
vacation, so we 
will be adding them to _www.peacefulkingdom.org_ 
(http://www.peacefulkingdom.org/) to start with. Eventually, the cat pictures
will be on the Angel 
Wings site as well. 
If there is one lesson that I would like the public to learn from this
  
experience is that there is a fate worse than euthanasia. Several
times a week, 
The Stray Connection receives calls from individuals who have found
stray cats 
but dont want them and cant bear to take them to the shelter
to be 
euthanized. An animal left to fend for itself can end up like
those rescued from 
AW. It is not a pretty sight and it is not a good life by any means. 
Sincerely, 
Holly 
The Stray Connection 
  
  Joan
  Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The
cats at Angel Wings Sanctuary in Tenn. have been abandoned and now 
brought into a shelter where they are getting care temporarly...If any 
one has animals there and wishes to claim them or look after their 
future they could contact me
We have pictures of the FeLV+ cats...There are a number of FIV and 
neg. also

If any of these are yours please let me know
Tad
  
  
  
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Re: cats and pregnant women

2005-07-06 Thread Tad Burnett




In all fairness to the docs...Even though the risk is
very very small if you should be the unlucky one out of a million it
can result in very sever brain damage to your baby...
Ask your doc to compare the risk with the chance of brain damage from
being in a car accidentYour doc will get a very sheepish look but
he probably won't answer
Life is a risk...
Tad

Kathy Gittel wrote:

  : From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: RE: Pregnant women trying to get rid of her cats
: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Here's one article. If you do a search on "cats and pregnant woment", 
you'll come up with scads of information to give your friend. My 
suggestion is that she get a new doctor and give her husband valium.
Kathy Gittel
___
"Congratulations!" says your doctor, "You're pregnant." It's happy 
news. But then the doctor asks if you have a cat, and tells you 
solemnly not to scoop the litter box. Doctors understandably like to 
play it safe, but it's not necessary to overreact, especially when it 
comes to your cat and your health during pregnancy. Cats and pregnant 
women can co-exist safely -- and have been doing so for thousands of 
years.

The concern, small though it is, regards a parasite called toxoplasma 
gondii, which can cause an infection called toxoplasmosis. Cats are 
one of the hosts that can carry and pass this parasite to humans 
through infectious cysts shed in their stool. While toxoplasmosis 
generally causes mild flu-like symptoms in humans that resolve on 
their own in a few days, it is very dangerous to fetuses in the first 
trimester of pregnancy.

However, that said, toxoplasmosis is only infectious under extremely 
particular -- and unlikely -- circumstances. "A lot of things have to 
happen," says Drew Weigner, DVM, a board-certified feline specialist. 
"A cat has to get a recent infection, it has to be shedding the cysts, 
the stool has to have been in the litter box for more than 24 hours, 
you'd have to get some of the stool in your mouth or eye, and you'd 
have to be in your first trimester -- all of those things would have 
to happen."

Cats shed toxoplasma cysts (the egg stage) in their feces three to 10 
days after eating infected tissues. They will shed the cysts for up to 
14 days, and afterward it is unlikely that they will ever shed them 
again -- even after repeated exposure. So only a recent infection is 
contagious. In order to get a recent infection, your cat would have to 
have eaten an infected mouse, which can only happen if your cat hunts 
outdoors or if you have a current rodent infestation -- which, as 
Weigner points out, generally doesn't if there is indeed a cat living 
in your house.

"Indoor cats that do not hunt have virtually no risk of infection," 
says Elaine Wexler-Mitchell, DVM, ABVP diplomate in feline practice at 
The Cat Care Clinic in Orange, California. No risk, that is, unless 
they are on a raw food diet. That's because the parasite is 
transmissible to both cats and humans through raw or undercooked meat. 
In fact, your chances of contracting toxoplasmosis are much, much 
greater by handling raw meat or gardening in infected soil than by 
getting it from your cat.

Even if your cat does go outside or has caught a mouse recently, 
there's still no need to worry. The cysts do not become infectious to 
other animals and humans until one to four days have passed. So if you 
scoop the litter box promptly, you've avoided the problem.

To be extra safe, Weigner suggests having someone else scoop and 
change the litter for you. He suggests single mothers wear gloves and 
use litter box liners -- that minimizes the risk of missing any stool 
hiding under the litter or on the side of the box. Wearing a mask 
while changing the litter isn't necessary, as the cyst is too heavy to 
stay airborne for long. During the first trimester, if there is no one 
else to take over litter box duties, "I wouldn't scoop the litter 
every 24 hours; I would change it every 24 hours," Weigner says.

And remember, even if you get a microscopic cyst on your hand, you'd 
have to touch your mouth or your eye without washing your hands to 
become infected. Who doesn't wash their hands after scooping the 
litter box? "Really, the bottom line, if you have a cat, whether it 
goes outside or not, is get someone else to change the litter box, 
wash your hands after you pet your cat, and don't worry about it after 
the first few months anyway," says Weigner.

"Cats and pregnant moms can peacefully co-exist," he says.. You always 
have to follow your obstetrician's advice -- unless they advise you to 
get rid of your cat. If they say that, then they don't know about 
toxoplasmosis and that means they're out of date."  :

I need a help - I have a colleague who is trying to get rid of her
two
: boy cats (declawed) sine she found out that she is pregnant - she
wanted
: to keep the cats since 

Re: [kittyschatterbox] Angel Wings Sanctuary Closed]

2005-07-08 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Sally
 You could consider renting a car...Last time I did it was about $100
per day with unlimited milage...No ware and tare on your car...You may
break even when doing a lot of miles quickly


I bet the meezer will be glad to be home 
Tad

Sally Quillian wrote:

  
  
  
  Hi Jenn . . .I had calculated that
it would be about a 12 hour drive each way . . .which is "doable" . .
.but I don't trust my car that much . . .I don't know if my car would
make it . . .the good news is that I think we have it worked out . .
.I'm going to fly to Nashville, and Kara will meet me there.
  There are still a few more details
to be worked out . . .but right now I'm more hopeful that we'll be able
to work it out. If Kevin and Lucky are found (two feral FIV kitties),
then I will drive to Knoxville at that time . . .will just have to have
some work done on my car before I can do that.
  Thanks for your input . . .it's good
to know where the speed traps are . . .that information will come in
handy if and when I drive to Knoxville!
  
  Take care,
  Sally
  www.mskittyscatrescue.org 
  
  





Re: [kittyschatterbox] Angel Wings Sanctuary Closed]

2005-07-08 Thread Tad Burnett




Sally
 Another possibility that I had good luck with, one time years ago,
before 9-11, is the freight airlines...I think it was Airborne Express
that we used
Because there are no people passengers the animals fly 1st
class...right up front with the crewlast to board and 1st off with
special handling all the way...If there is a flight going between the 2
airport involved you might want to ask about that..
I got to pick up a young puppy once...It was an extra hot day and I was
concerned that he would be left stuck in some hot spot but they pointed
out the plane landing from the warehouse office where I was to pick him
up and it was no time at all before a van with several animals drove
up...They all seemed well and happy

As far as stress goes...Its a much shorter time...and if no body tells
the animal he is 3 miles off the ground with less stop and go it may be
a good way to go

Tad


Sally Quillian wrote:

  
  
  
  That's a good idea, Tad . . .I'll
call and check it out . . .Thanks for the suggestion . . .
  
  Sally
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Tad Burnett 
To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent:
Friday, July 08, 2005 10:28 AM
Subject:
Re: [kittyschatterbox] Angel Wings Sanctuary Closed]


Hi Sally
 You could consider renting a car...Last time I did it was about $100
per day with unlimited milage...No ware and tare on your car...You may
break even when doing a lot of miles quickly


I bet the meezer will be glad to be home 
Tad

Sally Quillian wrote:

  
  
  Hi Jenn . . .I had calculated
that it would be about a 12 hour drive each way . . .which is "doable"
. . .but I don't trust my car that much . . .I don't know if my car
would make it . . .the good news is that I think we have it worked out
. . .I'm going to fly to Nashville, and Kara will meet me there.
  There are still a few more
details to be worked out . . .but right now I'm more hopeful that we'll
be able to work it out. If Kevin and Lucky are found (two feral FIV
kitties), then I will drive to Knoxville at that time . . .will just
have to have some work done on my car before I can do that.
  Thanks for your input . . .it's
good to know where the speed traps are . . .that information will come
in handy if and when I drive to Knoxville!
  
  Take care,
  Sally
  www.mskittyscatrescue.org 
  
  

  





Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)

2005-07-12 Thread Tad Burnett




This conversation reminds meJenn stopped by my
house the other day and I didn't think anything of it at the time but I
am sure she must have noticed the litter box on top of the dresser in
the window...
For some reason my cat with both hind legs crippled doesn't like to use
a litter box on the floor...I have found that often times it easier to
just put a litter box where they choose to go rather than have them go
all around trying to find the place they are comfortable.Of coarse
this box that's right up in plain sight for any humans coming by
becomes everybody favorite box...but on the other hand its the easiest
one to scoop too

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Oh, the first thing I did when I moved
into this apartment was peel back all the carpeting and see if there
was any usable floor underneath. Luckily, in the bedroom there was
decent wood floor, so I was able to toss the carpet in that room. The
office has a very thin indoor/outdoor type of carpet with no padding
overindustrial tile, and the cats don't seem to like to pee on it (if
they do, I'll take the carpet out). The livingroom is an issue, under
it, is plain plywood, and it has, literally, about 5000 nails all
across the entire floor. it would LOOK HORRIBLE if I pulled up the
carpet. Since I rent, I'm not going to sink a ton of money into adding
nice flooring myself, so we just deal with spots as they occur in
there. That's why I paid a deposit :)
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
Hee, hee! I've even gone to the extent of removing all of the carpet in
the house and replacing with ceramic tile/laminate wood flooring (I
highly recommend the Armstrong's edition made exclusively for
Lowe's...withstands spills and cat claws peeling out at 100 miles and
hour)...and the rugs are the cheap berber/industrial rugs that you can
pick up at Walmart for $30 (they don't seem to be as comfortable to pee
on and withstand claw sharpening)...two mottos at our house: "if it
can't be ruined, we don't buy it" and "we can't have anything nice!" :)
  
  
  

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Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)

2005-07-12 Thread Tad Burnett




Well...I was wondering if Jenn noticed it and didn't
say anything...or like me didn't think anything of it
Tad

TenHouseCats wrote:

  and your point is? hee hee

On 7/12/05, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
 This conversation reminds meJenn stopped by my house the other day and
I didn't think anything of it at the time but I am sure she must have
noticed the litter box on top of the dresser in the window...
 For some reason my cat with both hind legs crippled doesn't like to use a
litter box on the floor...I have found that often times it easier to just
put a litter box where they choose to go rather than have them go all around
trying to find the place they are comfortable.Of coarse this box that's
right up in plain sight for any humans coming by becomes everybody favorite
box...but on the other hand its the easiest one to scoop too
  
 Tad
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
Oh, the first thing I did when I moved into this apartment was peel back all
the carpeting and see if there was any usable floor underneath. Luckily, in
the bedroom there was decent wood floor, so I was able to toss the carpet in
that room. The office has a very thin indoor/outdoor type of carpet with no
padding over industrial tile, and the cats don't seem to like to pee on it
(if they do, I'll take the carpet out). The livingroom is an issue, under
it, is plain plywood, and it has, literally, about 5000 nails all across the
entire floor. it would LOOK HORRIBLE if I pulled up the carpet. Since I
rent, I'm not going to sink a ton of money into adding nice flooring myself,
so we just deal with spots as they occur in there. That's why I paid a
deposit :) 

 Jenn
 http://ucat.us
 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
~~~
 Hee, hee!  I've even gone to the extent of removing all of the carpet in
 the house and replacing with ceramic tile/laminate wood flooring (I
 highly recommend the Armstrong's edition made exclusively for
 Lowe's...withstands spills and cat claws peeling out at 100 miles and
 hour)...and the rugs are the cheap berber/industrial rugs that you can
 pick up at Walmart for $30 (they don't seem to be as comfortable to pee
 on and withstand claw sharpening)...two mottos at our house:  "if it
 can't be ruined, we don't buy it" and "we can't have anything nice!"  :)
 

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Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)

2005-07-12 Thread Tad Burnett




She has never known anything else...When I 1st noticed
when she was a day old I worried that she would get pushed away at the
milk bar...7 in the litter...But when you think about it front paws are
more effective at pushing others out of her way...At he end of the 1st
week she was the fattest one of all...Cats always land front paws
1st..She just puts a little more weight on them...She climbs up just
like a jimnast...Gab with the front paws and pull herself up over...She
can reach the desk chair seat from the floor and the top of the dresser
from the seat...and she gets up on the perch on the climbing tree that
was beside the litter box...
People have asked if she could be fitted with dolly wheels...But she
couldn't climb with those..She would be very unhappy
Cats are wonderfully adaptable to their environment and she is the best
proof

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I quite honestly did not even notice
it, as the forth mentioned "crippled" cat was basically clobbering me
with attention and throwing itself at me in an effort to get me to pet
her... LOL... I was a bit preoccupied with trying to keep the crazy
sweet thing from throwing herself off the headboard of your bed in a
effort to be in my arms! I'm never met a cat so unaware of her own
limitations! I know you SAID she can jump down and land OK, but I'm
still going to be a bit skeptical on that issue... You really should
post a picture of her online, so everyone can see her.It is
fascinating how well she copes with her legs deformed as they are.
  
  I said I wasn't going to reply to this
thread on the list again, because it's so off topic now LOL! You
guys are making me break the rules!
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
  Well...I was wondering if Jenn noticed it and didn't
say anything...or like me didn't think anything of it
Tad
  
  

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Re: Tad's Special Needs Cat was: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)

2005-07-12 Thread Tad Burnett




I have pictures of her but none that show her handicap
or her in action...As Jenn said she is a big love bug and I have a lot
of pictures of her sitting and posing for the camera...When she does
anything its just like any cat...1..2 and its done...no time to grab
the cameraIts was a long time before we even saw how she was able
to get on the perch on the climbing tree...Its a big stretch but if she
can reach it she can pull herself up on it...

Tad


Mari Kolbe wrote:

  
  
  
You really should post a picture of
her online, so everyone can see her.It is fascinating how well she
copes with her legs deformed as they are.
  
  
  I would very much like to see pictures of your baby Tad. You
may send them to me off list since this topic is an OT, but we
currently have several babies with missing and/or deformed rear legs
and are in the process of adopting another little one who has only 1/2"
stubbs for legs. While the ones we have are doing fine (one has about
2/3 of her rear legs and no feet) I am a little concerned about the new
baby coming who has only a small amount of leg and no feet. His
current care giver says he is using a modified litter box and zipping
around the house with his bonded litter mate doing regular kitten
things.
  
  
  
-- 
/mari (SpiritCat)
Until there are none, adopt one.
SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees
of southeastern Texas
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Re: Tad's Special Needs Cat was: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)

2005-07-12 Thread Tad Burnett




OK..Took a bunch of brand new pictures and put them on
Aforeverhome Group...
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/   just click join if you haven't already and go to photos...
 
The album is Tad's siamese...Look at them all if you want and start your own album too
 
Tad

Mari Kolbe wrote:

  



  You really should post a picture
of
her online, so everyone can see her.It is fascinating how well she
copes with her legs deformed as they are.


I would very much like to see pictures of your baby Tad. You
may send them to me off list since this topic is an OT, but we
currently have several babies with missing and/or deformed rear legs
and are in the process of adopting another little one who has only 1/2"
stubbs for legs. While the ones we have are doing fine (one has about
2/3 of her rear legs and no feet) I am a little concerned about the new
baby coming who has only a small amount of leg and no feet. His
current care giver says he is using a modified litter box and zipping
around the house with his bonded litter mate doing regular kitten
things. 


-- 
/mari (SpiritCat)
Until there are none, adopt one.
SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees
of southeastern Texas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  





Re: Tad's Special Needs Cat was: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)

2005-07-13 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Mari
 Yes..The torti is a very special kitty...She not only is one of my
FeLV+ kitties but she was very feral when she arrived here...I have had
lots of strays the love a person that takes them in right away but she
was my 1st feral...
But I guess one big difference with ferals they need to be able to join
a colony readily for their survivle...I had to hide on the couch under
a blanket to watch her but I have never seen a new kitty just go around
the room and rub and chirp to all my other cats in the room...It took a
couple months before I could even look at her with out her taking
cover...After 6 months that is the 1st good picture of her that she has
let us takeWe can sneak a couple pats while she has her head in the
food bowl but then she backs off and give us an angry stare like why do
you try and do that look
But beside that she is one of the most fun cats that I have had..just
to watch her and watch her play with my 2 other playful boys..all about
2 years old...

Tad


Mari Kolbe wrote:

  Tad:
  
   even worse four torties (your baby is beautiful) that have even
worse tudes that Siamese or tabbies ever thought of having. And when
you have a single kitten bottle baby tortie need I say more?
  
  
  Thanks for sharing your pictures. Now I am going to go look at
your rescues and the other photos in the group.
  
  
  

  On 7/12/05, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  OK..Took a bunch of brand new pictures and put them on
Aforeverhome Group...
 
-- 
/mari (SpiritCat)
Until there are none, adopt one.
SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees
of southeastern Texas
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Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please

2005-08-02 Thread Tad Burnett




Actually A/D is very similar to the meat part of Liver
Shake that a lot of us have usedI have found that adding a little
tomato juice to A/D seems to taste extra good to a cat that is not
eating well...

Tad

Kerry Roach wrote:

  I have tried clam juice on top of his favorite food as well..or
little cottage cheese..
  I have to agree with the a/d. I have had good results when
someone is off food with the a/d.
  Also, I have used with good results evap. milk. egg yolk and
white karo syrup..
  Hope he feels better soon.
  Kerry and Bandy
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Re: (OT) anybody know anything about PK deficiency in cats? (and calling on NE USA cat lovers)

2005-08-07 Thread Tad Burnett




But are they helping to save lives or are they
protecting the breed from probably inbreed cats...
Nobody will tell me anything even though I am one of the closest and
from what I can tell I was one of the 1st to try to respond to Dr.
Bruce...I don't know if I am reading it right but it sounds like we are
getting ready for a mass euthanasia on Wed...Origionaly I thought how
lucky these pure breads were with all the big help that jumped in
compared to Angel Wings but now I am wondering if the 2 local Tenn.
rescue girls aren't going to have much better numbers for saving
lives
My 6 AW FeLV+ cats are all doing great and they got a 1000 mile
transport
And contrary to the Dr.'s 1st post...The local HS didn't turn him
down...They have never been contacted...Why an I hearing that from the
head of my local shelter ???
Tad

TenHouseCats wrote:

  hey, nina, both aby and bengal rescue are involved.. 

On 8/7/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
Hi Jenn,
I'm sorry I haven't a clue about PK deficiency in cats.  I'd never heard
of it before your post.  Hopefully none of these guys will have the
problem.  It's just overwhelming isn't it?  Thank you for always being
in the thick of these deplorable situations.  I don't know much about
Bengals, but I've never met an Abyssinian I didn't like.  Are there any
breed specific rescues that might be able to help?   Humans simply
baffle me sometimes, and it's always the animals that end up suffering.
Once again, thank you for your efforts in bringing these guys to
safety.  I'm so glad there are people like you out there on the front
lines.  Where do you get your courage and stamina?

Speaking of your efforts...  We haven't heard anything about Bones
lately.  How is she doing?
Nina

Jenn wrote:



  Anybody know anything about, or ever dealt with erythrocyte pyruvate
kinase (PK) deficiency in a cat? It's recessive gene breed issue in
Somali and Abyssinian cats. Is there a yahoo group that deals with it?

I'm about to get some Abyssinian rescues in, and just wanted do a bit
of research on it before-hand, just in case. Supposedly, the "cure"
for it is surgical removal of the Spleen, from what I have been
reading so far. Anybody ever had that done?

On the same note, is anyone interested in adopting a Abyssinian or
Bengal (or cross between the two) cat in the Vermont/ New Hampshire/
Eastern NY areas (or willing to drive to the northeastern USA area to
pick one up)? We are seeking adoptive homes for 150 hoarder situation
cats. If enough homes are not found, cats WILL be euthanised. They
need homes by WEDNESDAY. Rescues are welcome to take GROUPS of cats.
If you can help, please contact: Donna at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (with the subject: "VT Aby/Bengal -
ADOPT" ) as soon as possible to make arrangements and be screened. You
can tell her Jenn from the UCAT rescue told you about the situation.
This is a quite overwhelming situation, we need your help! PLEASE only
respond if you can be in the northeastern USA area this week, these
cats will NOT be shipped. These cats are rumored to have ringworm, but
otherwise are supposed to be in fairly good health. Some will be
purebred registered cats, but we can not guarantee that you will get
their papers with them (these are RESCUE cats, and MUST be
spayed/neutered, not to be used for breeding). The vet that is
rescuing them will spay/neuter, update rabies, and put Frontline
on any that can be done, before releasing them to adopters or
rescuers. Pregnant queens will NOT be aborted, so it is possible that
we will need homes for queens expecting kittens (kittens may or may
not be registerable, at this point, I do not know if papers will be
released). If you can take on special needs cats (the preggo queens,
or sick cats, or PK cats, or anything out of the norm) be sure to
mention that in your email to Donna.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special
needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they
add up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing
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[Fwd: [masscats] RE: bengals in VT]

2005-08-07 Thread Tad Burnett






 Original Message 

  

  Subject: 
  [masscats] RE: bengals in VT


  Date: 
  Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:30:22 -0400


  From: 
  Gita Devi [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  Reply-To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  



I contacted a friend of mine who works for HSUS in VT and she responded as
follows:

			We're still trying to validate this.  So far, no
shelters that we've contacted in VT have even been directly contacted about
this.  Also, bengals and bengal mixes are illegal/regulated in some states
so we're investigating which states could legally offer assistance.

I'll send her the correct vet contact info.

Gita




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Re: [Fwd: [masscats] RE: bengals in VT]

2005-08-07 Thread Tad Burnett





  

  From:
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  Date:
FriAug5,2005 9:05
am 
  Subject:
Re: "150 Bengals" in Vermont
  
  
  hubcatsboston
  
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Maybe he can't count, either!
Update from Gita:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The information in the original
posting is not quite correct. The Dr had not yet contacted any of the
local VT shelters and is now working with them to try and place as many
cats as possible. Here's an email from one of the shelters on this
matter:


From: Jessica Morris 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: Weston, VT cats 


Good afternoon everyone,

I am sending out this email on behalf
of Dr. Bruce Legallis of Eastwood Animal clinic here in Rutland.Weat
the RCHS work closely withhim. Some of you may have seen the emails
that Dr. Legallis is dealing with a hoarder situation in Weston, VTon
his own because, to quote the email, "The
local animal rescues, humane societies and animal control refuse to get
involved." This perplexed some of us because we knew nothing of the
situation. I spoke with Dr. Legallis yesterday and he wanted to
apologize to all Vermont humane socieites for this statement as he had
yet to approach any of us! He is working with nationalbreed rescue
organizations to place the cats after they are health Oh, and Bruce
doesn't have email which is another reason I am sending this out!
Any questions, please feel free to email or call. Thanks, 
Jessica Morris
Animal Services Director
Rutland County Humane Society
802-483-9171
RCHS Shelter Hours Tues-Sat 12-6
Phone: 802-483-6700


If you can help, please contact
Ms. Morris.

Gita Devi


Tad Burnett wrote:

  
  
  
  
 Original Message 
  

  
Subject: 
[masscats] RE: bengals in VT
  
  
Date: 
Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:30:22 -0400
  
  
From: 
Gita Devi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
Reply-To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  
  
  I contacted a friend of mine who works for HSUS in VT and she responded as
follows:

			We're still trying to validate this.  So far, no
shelters that we've contacted in VT have even been directly contacted about
this.  Also, bengals and bengal mixes are illegal/regulated in some states
so we're investigating which states could legally offer assistance.

I'll send her the correct vet contact info.

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Re: your kitty Cloud

2005-08-29 Thread Tad Burnett




Vitamins and good food are a good place to start
Hills A/D...


Lisa Ward wrote:

  Hello,
 The vet said he is very anemic, no energy, does not want to eat at all
today.Do you know of anything that can be done for anemia, the vet says
nothing can be done? Thanking you for your help...Lisa 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: your kitty Cloud

Hi Lisa,  Love that name Cloud  too - just wondering, does Cloud have 
Lymphoma, Anemia, or what?  I had two die of lymphoma.  One, I think, 
Mittens, became anemic in the process and possibly died from that, before I 
could get a handle on it and get him to the vet.

Gloria





At 11:21 AM 8/29/2005, you wrote:
  
  
I am very sorry to hear about Twiggy, I also have a kitty (Cloud) dying of
feline lekuminia, she has no energy, the vet says there is nothing that can
be doneGood please her.Lisa Ward

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy

Joan, please tell your friend how very sorry I am to hear that Twiggy
had to go...I'm sure she is a bright, shiney new fur-angel completely
uninhibited, now...I know Twiggy is going to be pretty busy for awhile,
but I'm sure she'll be watching over the wonderful people who watched
over her for the short time that she was here...Big hugs to Norrice!

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: "Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:06 am
Subject: CLS - Twiggy



  Belinda,

Please add, my friend, Norrice's kitten Twiggy to the Candlelight
Service.She was about 9 months old, and probably died from FIP
early Saturday
morning. She had started having seizures and was rushed to a 24 hours
clinic. Norrice was told there was no hope for her recovery, so she
waseuthanized.. When she was rescued she was always thin and
somewhat sickly,
she has good times but often had a fever which would come and go.
Norrice,had her to the vet, numerous times and previously they
could not find
anything specifically wrong. This past week though, the blood work
showedthat Twiggy was slightly anemic, had a high white blood
count, elevated
liver enzyme levels, and a high globulin count. She tested negative
for both
feline leukemia and aids. She was always listless and since she
never ate
much, or gained much weight, she was named "Twiggy".  "Twiggy" came
from a
house with many unaltered animals (now they are all altered) and
some kitten
deaths (probably also from FIP).  Norrice, took Twiggy, to get her
to a
better environment. Twiggy's life, though indeed short, was one
filled with
love and much caring..
Thank you,

Joan

  

  
  





  





Re: Leuk Positive Cat

2005-08-29 Thread Tad Burnett




It never rains but it pours...Just a few minutes after
reading Amy's message 
(Hi Amy...CJ is doing good..) (Jenn...CJ is the big white and black
cat that you meet..)
I got a message from a person in north east Mass. that already has 50
cats in her house and rescued a friendly starving young boy and then
found out he is FeLV/FIV pos...

I think my old guys were stressed enough with the AW cats addition and
I am afraid to take any more...
Can anyone help in the Mass. area???

Tad



  
  





CLS for Marie Cat

2005-09-05 Thread Tad Burnett




Sadly my Marie Cat passed away quietly last
evening..9/4/2005...
She was a beautiful Russian Blue...
She was my first FeLV+ cat..I brought her home almost 2 years ago to
the day
She was thought to be near 16 years old but she was picked up as a
stray and we don't know for sure..
I rescued her with a group of 4 cats all starving and eaten by
fleas..Marie was very down and they didn't think she would survived the
300 mile trip home but i wanted to give her a chance...
I didn't know they were FeLV+ until I took them to my vet and that is
when I decided to start my FeLV+ room..I lost one of the kittens is a
short time but her brother is still here...
Marie has always acted like an old cat but got around and had her
favorite spots in sunny windows and on the soft rug on the breeze
way...She enjoyed both those spots yesterday...
About a week ago she started drinking a lot of water and then throwing
up...I put her on an A/D diet and she seemed fine for a couple days
then started not eating...She excepted some from a suringe but not
enough...
Last evening she only wanted about 10 cc and then wanted to get in the
window over my bed...I had to help her climb up there...She stayed
there for a couple hours then came down beside me where she always
slept and before long she had passed on
I might have been able to do more to extend her life but she was old
and she was comfortable and happy right up to the end...
She was a very special cat, like all the others too, and she will
remain in my heart forever

Tad






Re: Another emergency!! - at home oxygen tank?

2005-09-11 Thread Tad Burnett




Don't take O2 too litely...It is a fire
hazard..something of the same order of putting gasoline in your car
We do that every day too...Don't smoke around it...but hopefully you
aren't anyway
Don't leave the tent closed while the animal isn't in it to use the
O2...If the concentration of O2 gets very high it can be much more
dangerous than it is at a lower mixture which is what is intended to
do..just add a small amount to the air...not make it pure O2...and
don't seal the carrier too tite..just so the air doesn't breeze through
and it should be perfectly safe...
Tad

Gloria Lane wrote:
Oops - sorry, I haven't been keeping up. I have the
carrier now, and the contact info of the couple who rigged it up (she
was on the board of the humane society, he's an engineer).
  
  
If you're near me, you're welcome to it, and I'll drive it part way -
if not email/call them and they can describe how to rig it up!
  
  
One vet tech at the emergency clinic thought I was crazy, said it was
a fire hazard. I thought for a moment, and said, you're wrong, it's
used for people in their homes all the time. Why not for animals?
  
  
Gloria
  
Little Rock, Arkansas
  
  
  
On Sep 9, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Nina wrote:
  
  
  I can't remember who it was, but someone
rigged a carrier so that there was very little ventilation and
funneled the oxygen into it with the cat inside. Nothing was inserted
into their nose as far as I can remember. I've looked for the old
email and can't find it.

I just went to search the archives and I did find this from Gloria,
(sorry Gloria, I should have known it was you, TC, or Patti!). Anyway
here's what Gloria wrote about making her own oxygen cage:


I have a carrier that was converted into an oxygen cage/carrier by a


friend's husband - he's an engineering
type. I got it from her, just
  
in case, before my Cala died. If you're ever interested, I'll be glad
  
to share the carrier (I'm in Arkansas).
  
  
My friends used it for her kitty, and then she loaned the carrier to
  
me. The problem is getting a vet to prescribe the O2 tank that
  
connects to the carrier -they think you're crazy... and of course
  
you'd need to be home with him. Think the O2 tanks are rented on a
  
monthly fee?
  
  
People have O2 at home all the time - too bad it's not done more for
  
cats and dogs that want to be home.
  
  
Gloria
  
  






  
  
  
  
  





Re: {OT} FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings yesterday

2005-09-28 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Gary
 Angel Wings was a sanctuary where people sent animals that they could
no longer keep for one reason or another...FeLV and FIV and others...
And then they were pretty much abandoned
About 100 animalsThe rescue people there did a tremendous job ay
finding homes for them...
There may still be a few left in foster care...
Tad

gary wrote:
I wasn't on the list when this was originally posted but
it seems to me that these cats were not very well cared for. What
is/was "Angel Wings" and why would any of these cats be ones belonging
to people who would want them back?
  
  
Gary
  
  
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:44 AM
  
Subject: Re: {OT} FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings yesterday
  
  
  
  Is this in Tennessee? Just wondering about
location -


Gloria


At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote:

The "white" cat in danger of being put down
due today to nasty ears, sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be
a very light BUFF cat, NOT white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE.
  
I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to save her,
email Kara at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
(please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as she is
already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may be
yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want anyone's
cat to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!)
  
  
I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM eastern
time. Stay up late if interested!
  
  
I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including your
questions Tad. Yes, I THINK I can get sponsors!
  
  
Jenn
  
http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us
  
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
~~~
  
Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years - female
  
Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up
  
Ear mites
  
Fleas 4+
  
Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth
  
Dehydrated
  
Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia
  
  
Buff DSH, ~4 years - female
  
Eyes - conjunctivitis
  
Ears - mites
  
Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma
  
Abdomen - hernia over incision
  
Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis
  
Legs/feet - pressure sores
  
Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge, missing
teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas
  
Needs Euthanized
  
  
Black DSH, 6 years - Female
  
Ears - mites
  
Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis
  
Abdominal - thin
  
Mouth - moderate tarter
  
Notes: none
  
  
Then I have two bad FIVs:
  
  
White with gray DSH, 5 years - male - this has been there for at
least 5 years - Nicky
  
Eyes - sunken
  
Ears - mites
  
Skin - fleas, thin hair
  
Mouth - see below
  
Dehydrated
  
Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal, gingivitis, URI
  
Body condition, 1.5
  
Vet recommends euthanasia
  
  
Buff DSH, 4 years - male
  
Eyes - sunken
  
Ears - mites
  
Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg, pressure
sores, possible mange
  
Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne
  
Dehydrated
  
Notes - recommends euthanasia
  

  
  
  
  
  





Re: {OT} FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings yesterday

2005-09-28 Thread Tad Burnett




To be totally fair...Because of talking with Jenn on
this list about the situation before they were actually seized and
saying that I would foster the FeLV+ cats in my garage during the
summer if she would help find homes for them...Most all the cats looked
about the same, neg. of pos...
I suspect because the FeLV cats had a potential place to go saved their
lives...
But it took about a month to get transport to Vermont and during that
month they were under vet care so that by the time they arrived here
they were much improved from the day they were seized...
Tad

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  Message
  
  
  Tad---your email, pairedwith the vet
assesments--is a keeper. It truly is. I'm going to be passing it on to
as many folks as possible including my vet(s). Thanks for all that you
do for these little souls. I'm nominating you for sainthood too! :)
Kerry
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tad
Burnett
  Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:14 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: {OT} FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings
yesterday
  
  
  Hi Gloria
 Yes..These were in Tenn. Now in Vermont and doing very well...
They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats...
A big change from when they were taken from AW...
Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned
out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial visit to
the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys
Tad
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Is this in Tennessee? Just wondering about location - 

Gloria 

At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote: 
The "white" cat in danger of being put down
due today to nasty ears, sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be
a very light BUFF cat, NOT white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE. 
I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to save her,
email Kara at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
(please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as she is
already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may be
yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want anyone's
cat to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!) 
  
I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM eastern
time. Stay up late if interested! 
  
I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including your
questions Tad. Yes, I THINK I can get sponsors! 
  
Jenn 
  http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us
  
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
~~~
  
Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years - female 
Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up 
Ear mites 
Fleas 4+ 
Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth 
Dehydrated 
Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia 
  
Buff DSH, ~4 years - female 
Eyes - conjunctivitis 
Ears - mites 
Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma 
Abdomen - hernia over incision 
Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis 
Legs/feet - pressure sores 
Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge, missing
teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas 
Needs Euthanized 
  
Black DSH, 6 years - Female 
Ears - mites 
Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis 
Abdominal - thin 
Mouth - moderate tarter 
Notes: none 
  
Then I have two bad FIVs: 
  
White with gray DSH, 5 years - male - this has been there for at
least 5 years - Nicky 
Eyes - sunken 
Ears - mites 
Skin - fleas, thin hair 
Mouth - see below 
Dehydrated 
Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal, gingivitis, URI
  
Body condition, 1.5 
Vet recommends euthanasia 
  
Buff DSH, 4 years - male 
Eyes - sunken 
Ears - mites 
Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg, pressure
sores, possible mange 
Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne 
Dehydrated 
Notes - recommends euthanasia 
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Re: {OT} FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings yesterday

2005-09-28 Thread Tad Burnett




I think the vet is looking at the big picture
though...There are so many that are PTS just because there is no one to
take them and looking at it practically FeLV+ in bad shape has got to
be on the bottom of the list to saveWhen asked if I really wanted
to save them all I said if they are eating food that is the best sign
that a cat still wants to liveWhat would I have done if the
transport said they couldn't take them all ??? Lets not think about
that...
Tad

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  Message
  
  
  Ah, but it doesn't alter the crucial facts---
that the vet assigned them to death row, and now they're doing great.
:)What a lesson.
  Plus your offer (I remember it), which was taken
up on, was truly wonderful
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tad
Burnett
  Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:50 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: {OT} FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings
yesterday
  
  
  To be totally fair...Because of talking with Jenn on
this list about the situation before they were actually seized and
saying that I would foster the FeLV+ cats in my garage during the
summer if she would help find homes for them...Most all the cats looked
about the same, neg. of pos...
I suspect because the FeLV cats had a potential place to go saved their
lives...
But it took about a month to get transport to Vermont and during that
month they were under vet care so that by the time they arrived here
they were much improved from the day they were seized...
Tad
  
MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
  

Tad---your email, pairedwith the vet
assesments--is a keeper. It truly is. I'm going to be passing it on to
as many folks as possible including my vet(s). Thanks for all that you
do for these little souls. I'm nominating you for sainthood too! :)
Kerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Tad Burnett
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: {OT} FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings
yesterday


Hi Gloria
 Yes..These were in Tenn. Now in Vermont and doing very well...
They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats...
A big change from when they were taken from AW...
Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned
out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial visit to
the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is this in Tennessee? Just wondering about location - 
  
Gloria 
  
At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote: 
  The "white" cat in danger of being put
down due today to nasty ears, sores, and etc, has now been discovered
to be a very light BUFF cat, NOT white, as first suspected. She is
FEMALE. 
I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to save her,
email Kara at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

(please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as she is
already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may be
yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want anyone's
cat to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!) 

I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM eastern
time. Stay up late if interested! 

I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including your
questions Tad. Yes, I THINK I can get sponsors! 

Jenn 
http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html


~~~

Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years - female 
Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up 
Ear mites 
Fleas 4+ 
Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth 
Dehydrated 
Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia 

Buff DSH, ~4 years - female 
Eyes - conjunctivitis 
Ears - mites 
Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma 
Abdomen - hernia over incision 
Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis 
Legs/feet - pressure sores 
Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge, missing
teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas 
Needs Euthanized 

Black DSH, 6 years - Female 
Ears - mites 
Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis 
Abdominal - thin 
Mouth - moderate tarter 
Notes: none 

Then I have two bad FIVs: 

White with gray DSH, 5 years - male - this has been there for at
least 5 years - Nicky 
Eyes - sunken 
Ears - mites 
Skin - fleas, thin hair 
Mouth - see below 
Dehydrated 
Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal, gingivitis, URI

Body condition, 1.5 
Vet recommends euthanasia 

Buff DSH, 4 years - male 
Eyes - sunken 
Ears - mites 
Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg, pressure
sores, possible mange 
Mout

Re: Cat lover dying, 15 cats need homes ASAP New york area

2005-10-13 Thread Tad Burnett




Happy ending...These cats have all found homes...
I had offered to help with a transport to a rescue group in Mass. that
would take some if they couldn't find homes in NY...I just heard that
they don't need the transport
Tad

catatonya wrote:

  The person with the cats is in new york.  She posted on a Georgia
rescue list I'm on, and apologized that she was posting from so far
away.

I forwarded it to the group knowing that our felv group has members all
over and might know of someone who could help her in the New York area.

tonya

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
Wow, I didn't know that - sorry I just had to say I don't think
you're 
correct as to location.  Think we're all over the place, not just 
Georgia.  Thanks for the post...


At 06:24 PM 10/12/2005, you wrote:



  
I realize this group is mostly based in GA and surrounding areas,

  

but


  
...

  




  
  



  





Re: Cat lover dying, 15 cats need homes ASAP New york area

2005-10-14 Thread Tad Burnett




You could
contact Kim Gorall (585) 924-9478  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
She is the one that has placed them all...
Tad


Nina wrote:

  
  
Tad,
That's wonderful news. I've been talking about revamping my will to
have my insurance money divided up to go with each of my animals.
Stories like this motivate me to get on it. Do you have any more
details about the homes?
N
  
Tad Burnett wrote:
  


Happy ending...These cats have all found homes...
I had offered to help with a transport to a rescue group in Mass. that
would take some if they couldn't find homes in NY...I just heard that
they don't need the transport
Tad





Re: Wrongful death of cat

2005-10-19 Thread Tad Burnett
The 1st time I brought a rescue in that tested POS my vet said that 
ethically

he had to advise me to PTS...I didn't say anything for a minute and he said
he would give me a few minutes and walked out of the room...When he came
back I said I don't think I can do that...He knew I had a number of NEG.
cats in my house...I asked him what I could doHis face lit up and he
sat down with me and work up a plan on how I could divide my house
and keep the FeLV+ cats with very little risk to my NEG. cats

I think most vets would rather not PTS healthy catsbut he did need
to know that I was willing to make a commitment to prevent the spread
of the disease
I think some states have their own laws governing this tooAnd also
read the fine print if you bring a cat to a vet using county backed money
such as low cost neuter...You maybe signing away your rights to say
no to PTS
Tad

Gloria Lane wrote:


Me too...grab kitty and run.

On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

Great Suggestions, she definately needs to bring someones attention  
to this. I think if someone said I HAD to surrender any of my  
catsI would grab the cat and run...now that poses a pretty  funny 
picture in my mind ;-))


maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three suggestions: Report  
the matter to the state vet association--not the

local one. Contact the Texas version of the Attorney General's Office
Comsumer Protection Division (cats are property in most places- 
ok we
know better but the law doesn't). Find out who, in the local media,  
is a

pet lover and have a long conversation with him/her/them.  Investigative
reporters and let me help reporters/columists can be a lot of help in
alerting the general public.
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:53 AM
Subject: Wrongful death of cat


 I had to post this because I couldn't believe what I was reading.
 It is FIV and not FeLV but still this place is supposed to be a  
humane
society and they would treat FeLV in the same way. The message came  
from a
lady on the FIV group and it really did sicken me. If anyone wants  
to post

her with advice I'll get her email address.

 hello,my name is angela and i am new to the group,sadly i join  you 
under
bad cercumstances.i live in pasadena,texas and just yesterday i  took 
my 6
month old cat to the houston humane society's wellness clinic to be  
tested
and recive his shots.they told me he tested positive for fiv and  
that it was
highly contagous and he could not live with it.they said i had to  
sign him

over to them to be put to sleep.i cant even begain to tell you how
devistated i was,so reluctintly i gave him to them. later on i was  
looking

around on the net and found out this was
 not true at all! i even call several vets they all informed me  
that i had
many options other than death.now i am even more devistated,why  
would the
houmane society do this? they never told me i had other options,had  
they i

never would have put him down,i am both heart broken and very mad.i am
trying to find out what action if any i can take to make sure they  
never do

this to another cat and person again! if you have any info or idea
please let me know,i could really use the help and support!
 thank you,angela







Have a purrfect day
Cherie











Re: My Calico Kitty Angels

2005-10-29 Thread Tad Burnett




I have said this before and I will say it again...
Do NOT leave untested kitties at a vet without his understanding
what your wishes are if they test posAnd the same for any going
to a new home...PTS for a pos test is almost automatic in many places...
By the number of time that I have read of this happening on this list it
would seem that many of us don't realize how often it is done to so many
cats that most likely have at least 2 years left of quality life
Tad

maimaipg wrote:

  
  
  
  The more I read of this little ones dying for
no good reason, the more grateful I am for my own vets. I know Dixie
Louise would have been executed for no good reason by a lot of people.
  
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Laura Stamps 
To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent:
Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:13 AM
Subject:
My Calico Kitty Angels


Hi, Everyone--

Pam Jackson of Carocats in
Columbia, SC, has been kind enough to tell you all about the feral
colony of cats and kittens(some positive, some negative for felv) that
I have been caring for and trying to find homes for. At the moment we
are slowly testing and spaying them all. I say slowly because my heat
pump (air conditioner/heating unit)in my house is rusting out and
needs to be replaced. They are putting a new one in on Tuesday and
Wednesday, which includes ripping out all the old ductwork under the
house, to the tune of $6100.00. So my feral cat funds are limited.

We are trying to find homes for
the positive and negative ones, and if you know anyone looking for a
very sweet, pretty new cat or kitten send them this link www.bemikitties.com/carocats/pg7.html

Pam also mentioned my new book,
THE YEAR OF THE CAT: NEW POEMS ($12.95), which just came out this
fall. It is my 30th book(I am a poet by profession) and has been
nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. It has also been chosen to appear in
the New Media section of the January issue of Cat Fancy magazine. The
second section of the book tells the story in poems of how I came to
care for these sweet feral cats. You can find more info on itat www.kittyfeatherpress.blogspot.com,
www.apbooks.net, and www.amazon.com. A percentage of the
sales of all my books go to animal rescue shelters and homeless
shelters. If you live in South Carolina I have two book signings
coming up. One at Waldenbooks at Dutch Square Mall in Columbia, SC,
from 2:00-5:00 on November 26. And another at Waldenbooks at
Columbiana Mall in Columbia, SC, from 1:00 - 4:00 on December 3. Both
are on Saturdays.

I mention all of this because I
want to tell you the story of the two calico twin kittens that Pam also
mentioned a few days ago. We didn't test the kitties originally for
felv because they are all so fat and happy and energetic, no runny eyes
or noses, and eat like hogs. A very nice lady called Pam and wanted a
calico kitten to be an outdoor cat with her two other mature cats at
her home which sits on 7 acres. Pam didn't have one that could be an
outdoor cat at the time, but both of the calico kittens I had were tree
climbers and live in the woods behind my house, so we thought it would
be a good match. I had raised these kittens on my porch since they
were 5 weeks old when their mother first brought them to see me, so
they were tame. Now they were 3 and a half months old and gorgeous.
The lady decided to take both when she heard they were twins, and I
thought all went well until I got a message two days later on my
answering machine from her sadly telling me the kittens were dead. She
had taken them to her vet, and they had both tested positive for felv,
and he suggested to her that they should be put down immediately. I
was devastated because if I had been called first I would have taken
them back in a second. The next day was the first signing for my book
at Books on Main in Newberry, SC. I had cried all day after I received
that message, and it was all I could do to get it together to do the
book signing the next day. But I kept thinking of my precious calico
kittens as my kitty angels that had come back to me and would be with
me at the book signing and forever. And I believe they were.

From the fist moment I heard they
were gone I began to write a poem calledWEDNESDAY about them as a
memorial so they wouldn't be forgotten. I sent a copy of it to Pam
when I finished, and she mentioned it in one of her emails about my
feral colony. When I take some of these cats in to get them ready for
adoption I keep them in the bathroom next to the kitchen. There I give
them baths and flea treatments and train them to use the litter box,
etc. What was particularly hard for me was the fact I had spent the
day before in that bathroom doing all this with the calico twins and
telling them how lucky they were to be going to such a wonderful new
home. I had no idea I was sending them to their death. Here is the
poem I wrote (I named the tinykitten Rosebud 

Annie is gone

2005-11-10 Thread Tad Burnett

Sadly I have to report another FeLV+ has passed on today...
Annie was a beautiful calico with a white milk mustache...
She came to live with me about a year and a half ago...
She was a stray who was brought into a shelter in NJ...
She had a huge gash in her side probably from a car
but she was healing well from that but she tested pos
and had to live in a cage with the dogs at the vets...
The dogs didn't seem to bother her and she was friendly
with people and she was friendly with me until I brought
her in the room with my other FeLV+ cats...She established
her own corner with a window of her own and kept everyone
else out...I gave her her own food and box there and she
would let me pat her if no one else was around

About a month ago she stopped eating and we found she
had become anemic ...I put her in my isolation cage and
put her on vitamins the vet gave us and got her eating AD..
After a few days she seemed to be getting better and badly
wanted out of the cage so I let her out...
For a few days she was impossible to catch and didn't always
get her vitamins but soon she started to slide again and she was
easy to catch and medicate and we started seringe feeding...
She took that easily and we had her gaining weight again...

In the process she was spending more and more time on my
bed where the rest of the cats all hang out and soon my feral
cat who won't let me pat her but was very quick to make friends
with the other cats was able to snuggle with Annie
The best thing of this is now the feral cat has suddenly decided
it is OK to be touched by humans and she even let me pick her
up for a minute without struggling

I have been following Wendy and Cricket as it has been so close
to Annie...Yesterday she was too weak to make it to her litter box
even though I had placed it up level with the bed for her...This was
her first accidentI was struggling with the same thought of if I
should PTS but she seemed to rest comfortably and took the
seringe feedings fairly well...We had gone to smaller feedings more
oftenI was so happy when Wendy decided to try the feeding tube
yesterday as I was looking to Wendy for guidance But then it
was so very sad to here this morning that Cricket had passed during
the nightAnnie ate well for a bit but then stopped swallowing and
then again the next feeding she didn't want to take anything
Shortly after that she was resting on my stomach as I patted her
and she let out a cry and then I noticed that she had stopped breathing...
It was over...I believe she was comfortable and new she was loved
right up to the end...

Some are very close all their life and others. like Anie its just at the end
but it doesn't make it any easier to say good buy.
Michelle said it all.. But it does not get easier, as far as I can 
tell.  Just less surprising.


I will miss you sweet Annie and I hope we do get to meet again
Tad





Re: New to FeLV (wendy)

2005-11-18 Thread Tad Burnett




Correct me if I am wrong...But I believe FeLV IS contacted primarily
through saliva
Maybe not urine and poop
In saliva it dies as soon as it becomes dry, but what if it is in poop
??? 
Can that be carried on a shoe ???
 
The best defense against the disease is to keep cats healthy, well fed
and happy...
No stressI believe it is easy to contact but a cat has natural
defenses against
the disease...The strength of these defenses is directly related to the
condition
the cat is inThis pretty much holds true both before contact and
after when
the cat tests positive...My vet says that he has seen many cats who he
has seen
for the 1st time when on their death bed that test positive and are
years old
and living with a number of other cats (unvaccinated on farms) and so
far as he
knows none of the other cats have contacted it...(But maybe the farmer
just
says this is the same thing and says the cat will die anyway and
doesn't come to
the vet.)
 
One of the problems is that there are so many
variables...health..time..and death
is a result of another disease
 
Tad

David wrote:

  
  
  
  Hey, wendy:
   
  Your very kind words are muchly appreciated!  
   
  It was news to me (I mean, MORE news) that saliva
was not absolutely implicated in the spread of the virus.  Likening it
to HIV also made it more clear to me (I'm an LPN).  
   
  What I find scary...but I've been remiss!  I
didn't realize that I didn't name the black kitty in my submission. 
Her name was Flavia, in honor of her devotion to my husband (a
semi-long story) and because of her exotic beauty.  And we loved her,
though that isn't readily apparent in my letter.  Mea culpa!
   
  Anyhow...what I find scary is that Flavia "got
along" with the other cats by ignoring them, and they her.  It's always
possible that blows, or even bites were traded when I wasn't around. 
But mutual grooming and communal sleeping are absolutely out of the
question.  Which, excepting an unknown bite,  means that he MUST have
gotten it from food/water bowls or litter boxes.
   
  Because Elvis is 12.  To answer your questionHe
turned 12 on July 8.  I know this, because I took in a stray who
proceeded to give birth in my bedroom closet
about 3 weeks later, then went outside one day 5 weeks after that and 
  disappeared.  (Not coincidentally, that was the
last time any cat of mine went outside.)
   
  Anyhow, she had 5 kittens.  I gave two to my best
friend of 44 years (we're 46) and kept the other three, Elvis, Tiddy
(beautiful blue-gray tabby with huge eyes) and Juliet, AKA Girl Cat
(large, sweet,
  shy tortoiseshell with a passion for grooming all
others).
   
  That's why I know he wasn't born with it, (I know
it's a virus that hides, but for 12 years?) and why I'm afraid of the
communal bowl and commode possibility.  
   
  I appreciate your info on all the cats who've
lived with positives and not contracted it.  Your letter, also, was a
great comfort in my despair.  I truly appreciate your sharing your
Cricket with me.
   
  Many thanks!
  Gia
   
   





Re: pumpkin

2005-12-02 Thread Tad Burnett




Its high fiber which is good for both...And most cats like it
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Can someone remind me, is pumpkin supposed to be a laxative, or
a cure for diarrhea? Some people on the Sphynx rescue list are feeding
it to their cats as treats, and I'm curious as to if this is a good
idea (will feeding it to "normal" cats make them get diarrhea or become
constipated?)
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
  http://ucat.us/adopt.html 
Adopt a FIV+ cat: 
  http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
  http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address
to send them to!
~
Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment,
or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? 
Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug
makes it curable. 
Ask me today how you can test for Trich!
  

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Re: pumpkin

2005-12-02 Thread Tad Burnett
I guess its like peat moss is for garden soilsoaks up and holds 
extra moisture but
keeps it from drying out and turning into cement...Probably more of a 
preventive

than a cure...Some of us old people understand about the need for fiber

If the problem is a bacteria or physical problem it may not help that 
much though...

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Well, I've known it as a  cure (source of fiber?)  for diarrhea - 
don't know if it works as a laxative too, some things deal with 
both... For example, homeopathic Nux Vomica is in many cases a 
solution for both.


But lactulose is a solution for constipation (as is vitamin C), and 
not diarrhea.


Gloria


At 09:58 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote:

Can someone remind me, is pumpkin supposed to be a laxative, or a 
cure for diarrhea? Some people on the Sphynx rescue list are feeding 
it to their cats as treats, and I'm curious as to if this is a good 
idea (will feeding it to normal cats make them get diarrhea or 
become constipated?)


Jenn
http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
~~~ 

I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special 
needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they 
add up until she earns a free can of formula!

PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW 
address to send them to!

~
Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to 
treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug 
makes it curable.

Ask me today how you can test for Trich!
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I Need Prayers for Callie

2005-12-06 Thread Tad Burnett

Dam this disease... We rushed my beautiful little dilute calico
from AW to the vet early this morning...I found her lying on the
floor this morning, cold and almost lifeless and did a terrible
sick sounding cry when I picked her up...I wrapped her in a jacket
and got her warmed up and she came back to life a bit
She apparently had diarrhea in the night and was very dehydrated...
The vet gave her sub Q and will draw blood for testing if she
gets any stronger...She seemed herself yesterday morning...
She was the alfa cat in the room and was always with me when
I was there and always the 1st to come for food ...
Last night she slept in the cat tube instead of right beside or on me
and didn't come for the last snack of the day as usual but I free feed
dry food and didn't think that much of it until this morning when she
wasn't climbing on me to wake up
  She recovered from being such a mess at AW to such a good
kitty and I never thought this was going to happen so soon but
now all I can do is hope she will bounce back...
Tad





Re: OT - Eating disorder in cats??

2005-12-06 Thread Tad Burnett

I wonder if the ring worm could be toxic to her ???
Also I have had great success with A/D food that
you get from the vet and sometime mixing a little
tomato juice with it...Baby food is OK for starters
if it works but it doesn't have everything that a cat
needs where as the A/D is specially formulated
for cats that have stopped eating
Tad






Callie...Its sad news

2005-12-06 Thread Tad Burnett

She was so strong and well just yesterday morning that part of me
wanted to believe that she would bounce back but when I found her
this morning on the floor and she did a terrible cry when I picked her
up I knew that something was terrible wrong with her...

The blood test showed kidney function had stopped and the vet
said that she had so little blood in her vains that he suspected
internal bleeding probably in the liver...

When I brought her to the vet this morning she could barely hold
her head up for a short time and after being at the vets all day and
having sub Q liquid all day which is probably what kept her alive
she was even weeker...The vet felt she was probably in pain and
didn't think anything would bring her back so we sent her on ahead
to the Rainbow Bridge

Callie was a feisty little calico...She was reported at AW to be hard
to medicate and when she arrived here we learned that she would
only let you touch her for a few seconds and then you better let her go...
We learned where the limits were and soon she began to trust us and
Marie did better with some of the other AW cats than I but Callie
definitely chose meNow that I think of it she was never close to
any of the other cats but she was always with me whenever I was around...
She new when I was putting on clothes to go outside and meow and meow
and she would be waiting at the door for me when I came back in...
A few time that she did sneak out with me she let me catch her and if
I would tell her NO as I when out she would sit there and wait

Right now she would be sleeping on top of the monitor while I am
on the computerShe was such a good friend to me and she had
so much personality...She had some hard times during her life but
she was happy and loved here at the end...I only wish she could
have stayed longerI can't believe she is gone so soon
I will miss her for a long time...

That leaves 4 of the original 6 from AWOJ has never been a
totally healthy kitty...He has had to stay on antibiotics for several
bacterial types of infections and he has never played and raced around
the way some of the others do but he has always been a big purr and
snuggle bunAnd antibiotics is easy to keep them going...Both OJ and
Fred who is my first FeLV+ kitty who gums seem to get infected when
I take him off antibiotics...He only has a few teeth left now...I have had
Fred well over 2 years...I have had several worries over Fred and OJ
and they are both special buddies so I can't complain ... They are
still hereI guess this is just the way it was meant to be

Tad and Marie





Re: General Thanks and Questions

2005-12-06 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Presto
 I read your introduction today and it sounds like
we live similar livesSomehow Marie and decided
this was the way we wanted to spend our retirement
years...I had 13 pos. after I brought the AW 6 home
in the spring of this year..The loss of Callie brings me
down to 9 now but I have told an old friend near
Boston, that I took a pos. from before that I would
take another...Maybe will get him tomorrow...
Another old boy coming from the Suffuc Downs
Race track left there when they close for the season...
Besides my FeLV+'s I have 20 seniors that weren't
finding homes and were out of time so I should be
used to loosing them...But it doesn't work that
way..does it.. 

 And I grew up close to where you are living now..
Amherst...A few miles north of Springfield

 And yes...This group is the BEST !!!
Both in being there for each other in times like today
and also with knowledge and experience of what works
and what doesn't...Probably the largest group of people
with experience that you will ever find in one place

 My vet has 30 years of experience around farms
and large animals but lately has opened his clinic and
become very popular with dogs and cats...Sometime
I wonder I would do better with more of a specialist
But he has lots of books and when ever I have a suggestion
that I have heard on here he spends time and looks
into it and talk's it over with me...He loves the animals
and they all seem to love going to him...Thats worth a lot
to not have it being a stressful thing for them...
He also is very reasonable with his pricingIf I were
paying what some of the city vets charge I wouldn't
be able to care for as many as I do...I think my kitties
do almost as well as most on here and most of them
would have been PTS the day I brought them home...

Thankyou and everyone else too for all the kind prayers
and thoughts and words today...It really helps

Tad and Marie


Presto wrote:

  
  
  
  Hi People,
  
  I've been astonished and
thoroughy warmed by observing your interactions since I joined the site
today. You people are wonderful. I have several questions, and only
one suggestion.
  
  But first, Tad, I'm so
terribly sorry. Words can't help much at a time like this. We all
wish we couldhelp. Grief is largely an individual form of suffering
that no one can alleviate adequately. We've been through it, too
often, and we feel your pain. A dear friend of mine, the staff manager
at the large veterinary clinic we use, is undergoing the final 24 hours
of her leukemic six-month-old kitten's life. She is completely
crushed, and I'm worried about her. We have her kitten's brother.
He's been seriously ill since we took him in two months ago. He's
holding his own, but barely. Three of our positives have died this
year, euthanasia, despite all efforts to save them.
  
  





Now Prayers for Buffy and Questions

2005-12-07 Thread Tad Burnett

 It never rains but it poursToday Buffy is not acting herself...
She also came from AW and from early records she was pulled
at the same day and very similar condition...Vet recommended
PTSI even wonder if they are litter mates...
 Any way...A trip to the vet revealed fluid in the chestShe now has
pills and will be on interferon...
 
 Both Callie and Buffy and also Jet have seemed so well that my vet

had felt that interferon should be saved for when a problem shows up...
But now that I think of it most of my deaths have gone like Callie...
I am trying to find what was the clue that I missed with Callie...
(Not doing this for a reason to beat myself up but for the next one..)

1st...I think everybody will go on interferon...
2nd..A week or 2 ago I had noticed that Callie who was skin and bones
when I got her had grown her long hair back so it was hard to tell how
much meat she had put on...To look at her she was bordering on overweight
but her backbone still felt a bit bony and her stomach was wide
Even though the vet didn't mention fluid on the chest, the breakdown of the
blood and kidneys and liver were what was doing her in
I suppose the pot belly stomach could have been fluid on the chest and 
perhaps

if I had caught it then there would have been time to have helped Callie to
have longer with me

How does this sound ??  Looking for comments...

Tad





Re: Now Prayers for Buffy and Questions

2005-12-07 Thread Tad Burnett
Jenn...I don't knowAre you suggesting that liquid in the lung cavity 
is not a symptom of FeLV+ ???

My vet thinks it isHow can I tell if its FIP ???
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I hate to even suggest such a thing, but could it be FIP Tad? Is it IN the 
lungs, or
in the abdomen? FIP is known to go down genetic lines, so related cats are more
likely to develop it if one has already been diagnosed in the past. I'm SURE 
they
were all exposed to Corona at some point in their lives, being with so many 
other
cats at AW, and at your place. Corona doesn't always turn into FIP, only in 
certain
genetically-prone cats.

Jenn

 






Re: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal

2005-12-09 Thread Tad Burnett




Yes...I went through the same thing with my vet...Didn't want to
sedate because of his age...But his father had the same thing
years earlier and ended up with cancer in the jaw and had to
be PTSI didn't want to go through that again and said I would
risk it to get the bad tooth out

As it turned out he used a very light sedation..only knocked him 
out for a couple minutes...It only takes a second to pull a tooth if
you are all set up to do it

In 3 days he was eating like a pig and now 2 years later he is well
and happy and no more antibiotics needed

I don't know why vets are so afraid to take the risk and go for it...
Maybe they just want you to understand that there is a valid risk
but in many cases in the long run the risk of doing nothing may be
worse 

Tad


Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Hi, I am thinking of
taking him to my vet to have them pull
his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a
kidney
problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to
high
level of globulin (very high..)  which by the way I dont think he
has..
  Anyway,, I am afraid that
he is losing weight because of the
pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him
so that
they can pull his tooth.
  You guys, I need all your
prayers for my baby, Hannibal so
that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well he is one of
my
very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for
him
dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy
  
  Thank you in advance.
  
  Love
  
  Hideyo and Hannibal
  





Re: Now Prayers for Buffy and Questions

2005-12-09 Thread Tad Burnett

So far it seems to be good news for Buffy
She was never an active cat like Callie ...
It can't say for sure if the meds worked that
quickly or if it was the loss of Callie that caused her
to be shy and not eat...
One of my other cats seemed to get back to their
old self in just a few hours just like Buffy did
when I started then on interferon and it didn't
do a thing for Annie that I lost a month ago...
Annie was very anemic though...I wish I understood
more about this disease...but I guess we all do

And just to keep things going we brought home
Owen...He is a middle aged long hair tuxedo...
Very pretty boy but not happy about being inside
and not very friendly...Hope we can change that...

Tad


Nina wrote:


Tad,
How is Buffy doing today?
N

Tad Burnett wrote:


 It never rains but it poursToday Buffy is not acting herself...
She also came from AW and from early records she was pulled
at the same day and very similar condition...Vet recommended
PTSI even wonder if they are litter mates...
 Any way...A trip to the vet revealed fluid in the chestShe now has
pills and will be on interferon...












Re: Moving overseas need advice FELV cat

2005-12-20 Thread Tad Burnett

Kevin
 Where are you located now ??


Kevin Blaisdell wrote:


Due to a change in my employment I need to move to
India for approx 1yr and am having trouble figuring
out what options I have for my FELV cat.  It is pretty
clear to me that I cannot take her with me to India
and have been asking everyone I know or get a chance
to run into if they would want to adopt or just foster
home her without luck.  Now my departure date is
approaching (I have already delayed) and I am getting
desperate trying to figure out good ideas of what I
can do.  Unfortunately the few people I know that show
any interest tend to be the few people that already
have cats and can't have a FELV cat.  I am just
looking for any advice because she has never seemed
sick in the 3yrs since I took her in and I figure if
she has 3+ more they shouldn't be aritificially cut
short.

Some background on her;
3 yrs ago I lived in a neighborhood where this cat had
apparently lived for years on the street.  She was
having litter after litter of kittens and many of
course don't make it on the streets of Chicago.  I was
always very impressed by her toughness and will to
live and even raise kittens under such tough
circumstances and finally a neighbor was able to
capture her so I could try stop the cycle.  I took her
to a place to be fixed and they found she was FELV+. 
I didn't know much about it at the time, but they

wanted to put her to sleep immediately because it is
such a danger to other cats, etc, etc, etc.

Since she seemed so tough in living on the streets and
healthy (if a bit worse for wear) when I brought her
in I refused and said I would just let her live out
whatever time left with me.  I am glad I made that
choice because now 3yrs later she seems healthy and
comfortable.  It is unfortunate she can't have any
company and isn't a lap cat, but considering
everything I think she is comfortable and certainly
has put on weight since the street days.

Now this employment situation is going on and I don't
know what to do.  Between not being a lap cat (but
very cute, quiet, and well trained) and FELV+ it seems
impossible to find a home.  I had hoped the fact that
I am willing to take her back when I can return to the
States would help, but it doesn't seem to.

This Fri I am taking her to a cat vet to get a totally
up to date status on her.  In the meantime I was
hoping maybe this board would provide me with some
ideas, leads, etc.  I really feel between a rock and a
hard place.

Thanks,
Kevin

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Re: Moving overseas need advice FELV cat

2005-12-25 Thread Tad Burnett

Kevin
 I have a large room with currently 10 FeLV+ cats... I am at a good
limit, everyone gets along well, but in a pinch I could add one more
if you think she would adjust to living with 10 others...
 One problem I am afraid of...I have an attached breezeway and on
nice days I open the door so they can go out there but after a few hours
everyone has come back inside and I can close the door for the night...
If she would follow they rest there would be no problem but there is
a lot of stuff in boxes stored out there and plenty of places to hide...

 The other problem is I am in Vermont about 2 hours drive from Albany NY
which is on I90...Is there a chance that you are driving to an east 
coast airport??


 If it gets down to doing something drastic keep me in mind...

Tad


Kevin Blaisdell wrote:

I never did get a return call from the MN sanctuary. 
So after Christmas I will be following up with them

again and will also try this one.  In the meantime we
had her at the vet Fri.  Vet said she seem to be in
great health and the paw hair loss is probably just
her licking as a nervous thing or allergy, etc.  Not
something to worry about.  The vet gave her some more
preventative medicine (something for preventing upper
respiratory infections, rabies update, etc) and drew
blood to send out for an IFA test.  We are supposed to
get the results of the IFA test in 7-10d.  Thanks for
all the help.  I will keep you updated.  Hopefully I
can get something arranged quickly.  I just recently
talked to my management for my new job and told them I
can't leave on the 1st as originally planned.  It
isn't a good situation but I bought time till the 6th
or 7th for departure.  I hope it works and and think I
should adopt a dog to keep her company when I get
back.
 








Re: URGENT - Federico dies Friday - FeLV+ in Albany, NY

2005-12-29 Thread Tad Burnett

Hi Pam
  We talked about Ricky, the old Siamese a couple weeks ago...
Happily I heard you found a good home for him...

I also have a large room for FeLV+ cats and I would be glad
to give Federico a home...

Let me know if he is still available

Tad


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


After searching for a placement for two weeks, we are out of options
for our dear Federico.  He will be euthanized Friday morning if we
have not found something for him by then.

Federico is a WONDERFUL, affectionate, darling cat who loves to
cuddle.  He's approx. 2-3 years old and is a handsome tuxedo.  He is
the perfect cat...other than having the misfortune of testing positive
for feline leukemia.

Federico recently recovered well from an upper respiratory infection,
so while we can't know for sure, it does not appear that he is in an
advanced stage of the disease at this point.

This is truly Federico's last stand.  If you can help, please email me
NOW or call the shelter at 518-434-8128.  We are open until 7:30pm
Eastern time today, and I'll be checking my email throughout the
evening.

Thank you,
Pam




 






Re: URGENT - Federico dies Friday - FeLV+ in Albany, NY

2005-12-29 Thread Tad Burnett




WOW That's about the closest yet..time wise...
I made contact with Pam and she will be holding him for me in the
morning...
Albany is under 2 hours drive from here so there will be no
transportation
problem eather...Sure glad I caught the post for him...I must have
missed
it before...
 I never heard anything from Kevin in Chicago so I hope that means he
found
a place closer...I am about 1000 miles from there...

Tad

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  Tad, you're a treasure. 
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tad Burnett
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; pamela_vf
Subject: Re: URGENT - Federico dies Friday - FeLV+ in Albany, NY


Hi Pam
   We talked about Ricky, the old Siamese a couple weeks ago...
Happily I heard you found a good home for him...

I also have a large room for FeLV+ cats and I would be glad
to give Federico a home...
 
Let me know if he is still available
 
Tad


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
After searching for a placement for two weeks, we are out of options
for our dear Federico.  He will be euthanized Friday morning if we
have not found something for him by then.

Federico is a WONDERFUL, affectionate, darling cat who loves to
cuddle.  He's approx. 2-3 years old and is a handsome tuxedo.  He is
the perfect cat...other than having the misfortune of testing positive
for feline leukemia.

Federico recently recovered well from an upper respiratory infection,
so while we can't know for sure, it does not appear that he is in an
advanced stage of the disease at this point.

This is truly Federico's last stand.  If you can help, please email me
NOW or call the shelter at 518-434-8128.  We are open until 7:30pm
Eastern time today, and I'll be checking my email throughout the
evening.

Thank you,
Pam




 


  
  

  





Re: URGENT - Federico dies Friday - FeLV+ in Albany, NY

2005-12-29 Thread Tad Burnett




Hi Pam
 This is probably the best list you will find for FeLV+
cats...A very active group with every kind of experience
with FeLV that you can imagine...

Tad

Pamela P. wrote:

  
  
  
  I actually just joined this list
today so it's the first time I posted about Federico here. I'm really
sorry I didn't know of its existence sooner! I posted about him on
several other lists last week. One of the Yahoo groups had a link to
the felineleukemia.org site and recommend its list as being more
active, so I'm glad I checked it out!
  
  Pam
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tad
Burnett
  Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:14 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: URGENT - Federico dies Friday - FeLV+ in Albany,
NY
  
  
WOW That's about the closest yet..time wise...
I made contact with Pam and she will be holding him for me in the
morning...
Albany is under 2 hours drive from here so there will be no
transportation
problem eather...Sure glad I caught the post for him...I must have
missed
it before...
 I never heard anything from Kevin in Chicago so I hope that means he
found
a place closer...I am about 1000 miles from there...
  
Tad





Re: OT: Dreams

2006-01-17 Thread Tad Burnett

Hi Wendy
 I want to tell you what works for me...
It may not work for you...That will have to be your call...
Get another FeLV+ kitty !!!
They say getting another pet to replace a lost one doesn't work
and probably won't if you are planning on it but at least 3 times
in my life I have really wondered if the new cat isn't my old one
come back...
 Anyway all the FeLV+ cats that I have all seem to have something
in common...They all are the greatest cats...Maybe they realize that
I am saving their lives by giving them a home...If you enter into it
knowing it mat be only for a short time and knowing that you gave
them love at the end when often they have been lost and living a
rough life...
  Most people don't realize how many are PTS without a word being
said just because they test pos...It makes me cry to think how close
the last cat who is such a wonderful guy, came to PTS...Pam at the
shelter had tried for some time to save him and on his last day
somebody told her to try this list and then that day I was reading
way behind and late at night...But it was one of those times that it
was meant to be
  You can leave your name at a local shelters or rescue groups
or rescue lists on the internet...There are way too many to pick from...

Tad


wendy wrote:


Hi guys,

I wanted to ask everyone's opinions/thoughts on
dreaming about kitties you have lost.  I know it's OT,
but I have a hard enough time keeping up with the
posts here, so joining the OT list is not an option
for me time-wise.  


Since Cricket has passed, I have continued to look for
signs from him letting me know he's ok.  The best I
have gotten is a dismembered cricket that my other two
kitties left by my bed a day or so after he passed,
which was weird because I haven't seen any other
crickets anywhere, inside or out this year.

A couple of nights ago, I dreamed I was walking around
everywhere calling for Cricket.  I couldn't find him
anywhere and kept finding myself in all these
different places.  Rolling hillsides, snow-covered
forests, places I didn't recognize.  The dream was so
real.  And all I did was call for Cricket the whole
time, like I used to when he would sneak out of the
backyard when I wasn't paying attention so he could
explore the neighborhood.  Crick, Crickeee, over
and over and over.  I started panicking in my dream,
and of course when I woke up, I got upset because I
knew the reason I couldn't find him in my dream was
that he was dead.  It really disturbed me. 


Apparently, I still need closure.  I still have guilt
over Cricket's passing, even though I know the facts. 
I am disappointed that I haven't seen or heard

something that lets me know he's ok and that he isn't
mad at me.  Do you guys have any idea what that dream
meant, and also, what's a good way for me to get
closure as I think about it a lot?

Thanks for any advice or thoughts you have,
:)
Wendy



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CLS for Orange Julius (OJ)

2006-02-03 Thread Tad Burnett

Little OJ has gone to be with his best kitty friends Winky and Callie...
Those 3 seemed to be close friends when they arrived here from
Angel Wings and now they are all back together at the Rainbow Bridge..

Last Tuesday  (Feb. 2,2006) we took OJ to the vet... He cried when
we picked him up refused to take any food from his syringe...
The vet said his cancer on his kidney had grown huge suddenly and
he was in pain and it was time to let him go...

 It was so hard because he seemed to love life and everyone around
him so much...He sat on the table and watched the doc prepare his needle
with intense interest and he purred for the tech as she shaved his leg and
the needle was inserted...

 Little OJ was the kitty from the Angel Wings rescue that when they
1st examined him at the vets in Tenn. he just flopped on his side...
At 1st they thought he was too week to stand up but then they realized
it was because he was so happy to have human touch again...

 The 1st night he was here and I had him in the introduction cage in the
room with all my cats...When he saw me get in bed he cried and cried
and looked like he wanted to join me...He had seemed so friendly with
everyone that I gave in and opened the door and sure enough he made a
be line for the bed and he has been there right next to me every night
since..

 The FeLV must have already destroyed most of his immune system when
he arrived here as he had to constantly be on antibiotics to keep URI
under control and at 1st he would sneeze blood and that was from
the URI had gotten into the hair bones in his nose... A strong antibiotic
did take care of that...

 Because of his chronic URI  he never had much appetite and we always
gave him special attention to get him to eat...
I know he missed Winky...He was only here for a few weeks...
Winky just went to sleep and didn't wake up...He was very anemic
and a bad heart... It was after that that OJ started loosing weight...
We gave him special food and he was doing better and then Callie
passed...It was right after that that he started peeing outside his box
and we had him tested but nothing showed except that his urine was
watery and we gave him something to make it a little more acid incase
he was getting crystals build up... He seemed better for a while and
put a little weight back on but then he started to eat less again but he 
took

his A/D  food without complaining from a syringe...With that it seemed like
he was getting but he was getting skinnyer and skinnyer and we knew it
was cancer taking him away

I miss my supper friendly little orange kitty and I do hope I will get to be
with him again some day.

Sleep well sweet OJ





Re: CLS for Orange Julius (OJ)

2006-02-03 Thread Tad Burnett

I got the date wrong...It was Tuesday but that was Jan. 31, 2006...

He was a very special friend and I haven't been able to put his
passing in writing until now and it still was very hard

Tad

Tad Burnett wrote:


Little OJ has gone to be with his best kitty friends Winky and Callie...
Those 3 seemed to be close friends when they arrived here from
Angel Wings and now they are all back together at the Rainbow Bridge..

Last Tuesday  (Feb. 2,2006) we took OJ to the vet... He cried when
we picked him up refused to take any food from his syringe...
The vet said his cancer on his kidney had grown huge suddenly and
he was in pain and it was time to let him go...

 It was so hard because he seemed to love life and everyone around
him so much...He sat on the table and watched the doc prepare his needle
with intense interest and he purred for the tech as she shaved his leg 
and

the needle was inserted...

 Little OJ was the kitty from the Angel Wings rescue that when they
1st examined him at the vets in Tenn. he just flopped on his side...
At 1st they thought he was too week to stand up but then they realized
it was because he was so happy to have human touch again...

 The 1st night he was here and I had him in the introduction cage in the
room with all my cats...When he saw me get in bed he cried and cried
and looked like he wanted to join me...He had seemed so friendly with
everyone that I gave in and opened the door and sure enough he made a
be line for the bed and he has been there right next to me every night
since..

 The FeLV must have already destroyed most of his immune system when
he arrived here as he had to constantly be on antibiotics to keep URI
under control and at 1st he would sneeze blood and that was from
the URI had gotten into the hair bones in his nose... A strong antibiotic
did take care of that...

 Because of his chronic URI  he never had much appetite and we always
gave him special attention to get him to eat...
I know he missed Winky...He was only here for a few weeks...
Winky just went to sleep and didn't wake up...He was very anemic
and a bad heart... It was after that that OJ started loosing weight...
We gave him special food and he was doing better and then Callie
passed...It was right after that that he started peeing outside his box
and we had him tested but nothing showed except that his urine was
watery and we gave him something to make it a little more acid incase
he was getting crystals build up... He seemed better for a while and
put a little weight back on but then he started to eat less again but 
he took
his A/D  food without complaining from a syringe...With that it seemed 
like

he was getting but he was getting skinnyer and skinnyer and we knew it
was cancer taking him away

I miss my supper friendly little orange kitty and I do hope I will get 
to be

with him again some day.

Sleep well sweet OJ










Re: Bailey Update

2006-02-03 Thread Tad Burnett




Belinda
 I know how you are feeling...I have been reading your posts about
Bailey
over the past few weeks and thinking how close they were to my OJ
I have been hoping for a miracle for our kitties and I am still hoping
for
Bailey...And hoping that someday we will find the key to beat this
thing...
Tad

Nina wrote:

  
  
Oh Belinda, it doesn't sound good. It doesn't sound like he's
responding to the meds and 20mg of Pred seems like so much! Do you
have high hopes for the leukeran? I don't know girl, I hate to think
it, I know how much you want him to get better, but I know first hand
from seeing Gypsy in the condition you describe just how horrendous it
is. What do his eyes tell you when you ask him if he wants to keep
fighting? My prayers and tears are with you. You're his Mommy, I know
how much you love him, whatever you decide, I'm sure it will be the
right decision for the two of you. Blessings and love to you both,
Nina
  
Belinda Sauro wrote:
  

Bailey is not doing
very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting
away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone
split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone,
although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel
movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him,
he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere
that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He
potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really
worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do
bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long.
Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting.

He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a
little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he
doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what
may be causing this???

Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't
know what to do ...

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Re: One last URGENT plea for help...

2006-02-05 Thread Tad Burnett




Chris
 I could take him but I am way up here in Vermont...
Is there any way you could get him as far as Albany
or NYC or New England area
I know there were several rescue people from Boston
Mass. area that have been back and forth and brought 
some back with them Don't know if there is any chance
of hooking up with them

Tad

Chris wrote:

  
  
  
  
  I
posted before about Switters the Katrina kitten found on the street by
a New Orleans resident after the hurricane. I met
Jean through
group Im in working to reunite Katrina pets with their owner. Shes
nursed him back to health, domesticated him, chipped him, neutered him
and
generally brought him back to health! He is FELV+. She has to move
out of state next week and cannot take him with her. She has contacted
every rescue group and feline organization she could find. She has
asked
her friends and neighbors but part of the problem is that those handful
of
people who have returned to New Orleans are all taking care of other
pets found
in the street! ALL shelters in the Gulf Coast areas are full; almost
none
are no-kill and almost all would euthanize Switters because of his FELV.
  
  Jean,
his caretaker, found a place in Ashville that will take her and her
three cats
but landlord would not even consider a fourth catgo figure. Her
cats hate Switters and she really cant just keep them separate.
  
  Someone
told Jean, Switters caretaker, about a place called animal rescue
in Denver but she knows nothing about it nor can she
afford to
fly Switters up there. Jean has talked to Marleys fund and they
are full but put him on a waiting list. Jean is moving to Ashville.
Is there anyone in the area who could even foster Switters until
Marleys
fund could take him. Jean says he really is a people person cat who is
very sweet. He tries with the other cats but they just wont accept
him.
  
  Ive
got 5 adult cats in my apt and live with turf wars so adding one more
would
just put everybody over the edge. Anybody out there who might be able
to
help? This little guy went thru so much to stay alive! This is
Switters.
  
  
  Chris
  914-632-4672
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  





Re: Spayed twice - Marylyn

2006-02-11 Thread Tad Burnett




  If she can't come in contact with an intact male
you can wait and see if she comes in heat
Tad

Nina wrote:

  
  
Marylyn,
A neighbor of mine rescued a kitty off the street and asked me to have
her spayed. Of course, she had very little money so I asked a local
shelter if we could do it through them. Poor kitty was opened up only
to find she had already been spayed. She was never the same after
that. She was never really a friendly cat, but after that she wouldn't
let anyone touch her except through a brush. Very sad. I had simply
turned her over to this group, I'll never do that again. I always take
any cats into the vet myself now. Who knows if she had rough
treatment, or disrespectful treatment, when I wasn't there. Hard
lesson learned.
  
What were the vets looking for with the blood test? Reduced hormone
levels? I have always been told, if you can't see the scar, there's no
way to know if they've been spayed before. I would do anything not to
put another cat through an experience like that poor kitty endured.
Nina
  
Marylyn wrote:
  




I took Dixie Louise to my vet to
be
spayed and she tested positive for FeLV. There were lots of
conversations about how to handle the "situation" especially since I
have Kitty, a FeLV neg cat who has cancer. To get to the point, all
the vets at the clinic, who are very friendly to all the oddities I
bring in, supported having her spayed because it was a lot less
stressful than going into heat several times a year and certainly less
stressful than a pregnancy.

Ihave friends who are animal
communicators andDixie kept telling them she had been to the vet
before. I had my vets run ablood test when they could find no surgery
scar. Seems like Dixie had been spayed by someone in the past.
Luckily, my AC friends were there for her or she would have had surgery
a second time. It is highly unlikely this would ever happen again.





CLS for Buffy

2006-02-20 Thread Tad Burnett

 Sadly my Buffy cat passed away early Sunday morning...
She is the 4th of the Angel Wings 6 FeLV+ to go way too soon...
She was always much closer to Marie than she was to me... I guess
she had not been treated well by men before coming to us..
She had always been the sickly one, not very strong and had more
times that we worried about her than the others but with meds she
had always bounced back but this last time it was not meant to be...
She went down right after we lost Callie and then after we lost
OJ just a couple weeks ago she started sleeping on my pillow
which was something new and that's where she was Sunday morning...
Usually when she would stop eating we would syringe a couple CC's
and then she would eat the rest on her own but her last feeding
Saturday night she was very uncomfortable swallowing and we sort
of knew her time was near
We miss our sweet Buffy cat but we know that she is waiting for us
at The Rainbow Bridge with Winky and Callie and OJ

Sleep Well Sweet Buffy
Tad and Marie





Re: CLS kids for Belinda

2006-03-04 Thread Tad Burnett


Orange Julius (OJ)   Jan 31, 2006 FeLV+
Buffy   Feb. 19, 2006   FeLV+

Hi Belinda   Thankyou for doing the list for our lost kitties..It does 
help to see them remembered...
And we are all keeping our paws crossed here for Bailey.. May he make a 
recovery

and have a good length of time left with you...

Tad and Marie







Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?

2006-03-27 Thread Tad Burnett




Why do people think research is synominus with torture...
>From Hollywood science fiction movies...
With the scrutiny that research places are under today
I guarantee you that most animals in a research place are much
happier than those in no kill shelters... Think for a minute about
Angel Wings Sanctuary...

 Every body yells about IAMS food because they do research...
But they have invited HSUS to do un announced visits
I bet many private pet owners wouldn't pass as well as they do...

What is the alternative for these animals... PTS ???

Technically they are a non profit so they don't sell but except
and adoption fee.. Isn't that the same difference ???

And what is the research consist of ???
Drawing blood or tissue samples ??? Like we never do that
with our FeLV+'s...

I spent a good part of my life working in a research lab..
Not animals but computers... But to do good research
one needs to put the subject in a controlled environment...
Usually you want the test to work under normal good conditions..
Its the same with animals.. They are given a happy, no stress
environment so that factor won't cause problems and for
instance give them different food...
If I were given the choice of having to eat spinach or PTS
I would take the spinach... 
If you can find some animals that are being tortured than
raise hell about that... 

I say if they are adopting to a research with the same
questions or home visit that they do with a private home
than what is wrong with that... Maybe it would make more
sense that they do that...

Shelters have their limits... That's why millions of animals
have to be PTS every year just because there is no body to
give them a home... Keep the pressure on to enforce all people
that care for animals... Like the dogs chained to the back porch
24/7 who gets some attention on nice days only

Tad


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  After getting frantic "pleas" for animals In Ingham County, Mi.
several years ago, I learned "all about" this policy that many shelters
in Michigan have regarding selling animals to research
facilities
  IT MAKES ME SICK!!!
  They claim they do it for revenue, to keep operating. A
"necessary evil". That the cost of euthanasia/cremation would be too
much of a financial burden.
  
  My opinion of that "lame" statement - Bull Sh*t
  
  Seriously, it's nothing more tha greed and ignorance and
arrogance, that's all.
  
  I've worked with many very poor rural shelters, many in the
south.
  And, when I say "poor", these areas are so poor, it makes me
feel like I am living in Beverly Hills.
  However, these rural, understaffed, overcrowded shelters DO NOT
resort to selling animals for $
  
  AND - Guess why
  Because it is NOT allowed in these states, along with many
others.
  Yep, it's been considered "illegal" to sell pound seizures.
  Google, and you will see which states STILL allow this atrocity!!
  Mind-boggling!
  We don't need to use animals for research Egads, where is
all this "new" testing technology???
  
  My point, it is stillLEGAL in Michigan(and other states).
  Something needs to be done on the legislative level to STOP THIS
ATROCITY
  
  So, Michigan residents, FIGHT!!! Speak your voice! Write
letters! Join AAVS or NAVS!! Start a "grass roots" campaign..
NEVER SAY NEVER!!!
  This MUST stop!
  
  What a sad reflection of the society we live in.
  Makes me so very ashamed..
  
  Patti
  
  
  
  




Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?

2006-03-27 Thread Tad Burnett
PLEASE...Some specific eye witness examples that other can visit and 
bring attention to the local

sheriff will do .
What are they testing for 
What treatment are they doing that is so bad
compared to being kept in a small cage with no
outside windows for years...(many no kill shelters)

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I hear what you're saying, but it's just not true.  There's more to 
research on animals than drawing blood occasionally.  Good grief.


Gloria


At 10:36 AM 3/27/2006, you wrote:


Why do people think research is synominus with torture...
From Hollywood science fiction movies...
With the scrutiny that research places are under today
I guarantee you that most animals in a research place are much
happier than those in no kill shelters... Think for a minute about
Angel Wings Sanctuary...

  Every body yells about IAMS food because they do research...
But they have invited HSUS to do un announced visits
I bet many private pet owners wouldn't pass as well as they do...

What is the alternative for these animals... PTS ???

Technically they are a non profit so they don't sell but except
and adoption fee.. Isn't that the same difference ???

And what is the research consist of ???
Drawing blood or tissue samples ???  Like we never do that
with our FeLV+'s...

I spent a good part of my life working in a research lab..
Not animals but computers... But to do good research
one needs to put the subject in a controlled environment...
Usually you want the test to work under normal good conditions..
Its the same with animals.. They are given a happy, no stress
environment so that factor won't cause problems and for
instance give them different food...
If I were given the choice of having to eat spinach or PTS
I would take the spinach...
If you can find some animals that are being tortured than
raise hell about that...

I say if they are adopting to a research with the same
questions or home visit that they do with a private home
than what is wrong with that... Maybe it would make more
sense that they do that...

Shelters have their limits... That's why millions of animals
have to be PTS every year just because there is no body to
give them a home... Keep the pressure on to enforce all people
that care for animals... Like the dogs chained to the back porch
24/7 who gets some attention on nice days only

Tad


mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

After getting frantic pleas for animals In Ingham County, Mi. 
several years ago, I learned all about this policy that many 
shelters in Michigan have regarding selling animals to research 
facilities

IT MAKES ME SICK!!!
They claim they do it for revenue, to keep operating.  A necessary 
evil.  That the cost of euthanasia/cremation would be too much of a 
financial burden.


My opinion of that lame statement - Bull Sh*t

Seriously, it's nothing more tha greed and ignorance and arrogance, 
that's all.


I've worked with  many very poor rural shelters, many in the south.
And, when I say poor, these areas are so poor, it makes me feel 
like I am living in Beverly Hills.
However, these rural, understaffed, overcrowded shelters DO NOT 
resort to selling animals for $


AND - Guess why
Because it is NOT allowed in these states, along with many others.
Yep, it's been considered illegal to sell pound seizures.
Google, and you will see which states STILL allow this atrocity!!
Mind-boggling!
We don't need to use animals for research Egads, where is all 
this new testing technology???


My point, it is still LEGAL in Michigan(and other states).
Something needs to be done on the legislative level to STOP THIS 
ATROCITY


So, Michigan residents, FIGHT!!!  Speak your voice!  Write letters! 
Join AAVS or NAVS!!  Start a grass roots campaign..  NEVER SAY 
NEVER!!!

This MUST stop!

What a sad reflection of the society we live in.
Makes me so very ashamed..

Patti
[]













Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?

2006-03-27 Thread Tad Burnett




The fact of the matter is they will get animals some where any way...
Now, most of them come from back yard breeders that breed animals
for just that market
Perhaps if more shelters sold to research the animals that they are
going to PTS
that would put some of the back yard breeders out of business

If the business arraignment is to sell animals that have a chance for
adoption
than I too have a problem with that but if these are animals among the
6 million
per year that are out of time and going to be PTS and the money is
spent at the
shelter so that they can do more good work than what is wrong with that
???

And again, most research is done so the manufactures can back up their
claim the their product is the best...NOT that their product causes the
most
suffering... They want the results to be a happy ending...
Not all tests are successful but for the most part they aren't going to
waste
their time and money on a test that they aren't pretty sure will work...

Even if its testing for a cure for a disease and they infect they animal
and then try to cure it or put to sleep and examine you are still
talking
about animals that were going to be PTS earlier anyway...

Tad

TenHouseCats wrote:

  i do NOT admit to be totally up-to-date on this
  
  i have to agree that not ALL research is inherently bad.
however, in this case, there's a BUSINESS arrangement between the
shelter and one Class B Dealer--as far as i know, the shelter couldn't
care less where the animals end up, they just sell them to the
dealer there have all been any number of hearings, public
demonstrations, etc through the years--the MI county that i am in was
embarrassed out of selling their animals to a similar dealer a few
years back. 
  
  i can most probably get updates on where the fight stands now,
and who is doing what--i'm sorry to say that i have NOT kept on top of
it because i can only fight so many fights at one time. but i do have
local contacts with far more information and expertise than i do
  
  

  On 3/27/06, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  PLEASE...Some
specific eye witness examples that other can visit and
bring attention to the local
sheriff will do .

What are they testing for 
What treatment are they doing that is so bad
compared to being kept in a small cage with no
outside windows for years...(many no kill shelters)

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I hear what you're saying, but it's just not true.There's more to
 research on animals than drawing blood occasionally.Good grief.

 Gloria



 At 10:36 AM 3/27/2006, you wrote:

 Why do people think research is synominus with torture...
 From Hollywood science fiction movies...
 With the scrutiny that research places are under today

 I guarantee you that most animals in a research place are much
 happier than those in no kill shelters... Think for a minute
about
 Angel Wings Sanctuary...

 Every body yells about IAMS food because they do research...

 But they have invited HSUS to do un announced visits
 I bet many private pet owners wouldn't pass as well as they
do...

 What is the alternative for these animals... PTS ???


 Technically they are a non profit so they don't sell but except
 and adoption fee.. Isn't that the same difference ???

 And what is the research consist of ???
 Drawing blood or tissue samples ???Like we never do that
 with our FeLV+'s...

 I spent a good part of my life working in a research lab..
 Not animals but computers... But to do good research

 one needs to put the subject in a controlled environment...
 Usually you want the test to work under normal good
conditions..
 Its the same with animals.. They are given a happy, no stress

 environment so that factor won't cause problems and for
 instance give them different food...
 If I were given the choice of having to eat spinach or PTS
 I would take the spinach...

 If you can find some animals that are being tortured than
 raise hell about that...

 I say if they are adopting to a research with the same
 questions or home visit that they do with a private home

 than what is wrong with that... Maybe it would make more
 sense that they do that...

 Shelters have their limits... That's why millions of animals
 have to be PTS every year just because there is no body to

 give them a home... Keep the pressure on to enforce all people
 that care for animals... Like the dogs chained to the back
porch
 24/7 who gets some attention on nice days only


 Tad


 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 After getting frantic "pleas" for animals In Ingham
County, Mi.

 several years ago, I learned "all about" this policy that
many
 shelters in Michigan have regarding selling animals to
research
 facilities
 IT MAKES ME SICK!!!

 They claim they do it for revenue, to keep operating.A
"necessary
 evil".That the cost of euthanasia/cremation wou

Re: mixing

2006-04-25 Thread Tad Burnett




I personally don't believe there is any predictable answer...
I have two mother cats who came here with kittens..
The mothers tested negative but the kittens were positive...
I have vaccinated the mothers but not retested because
they are here to stay anyway but they are both very healthy...
The oldest one has been here almost 3 years... She had two
kittens... One kitten was pos the other neg...
The neg. kitten was good for a couple months then one
morning she was very week... 3 hours later at the vets
office she had a convulsion and died... The pos kitty
is still alive 3 years later... He gets a lot of antibiotics
for his gums and has to be encouraged to eat enough
to keep his weight up but with that he is doing good

It must be a lot more than just being pos... I lost 4 of the
Angel Wings 6 in a very short time and it appeared that
they had made a full recover from their ordeal... The 2 that are
left have no problems at all now... I wonder if any have
gone negative..
Tad

PS Switter is doing great so far..Every body likes him and he
give some exercise to the old guys here... He sure is full of life...
I wonder if he has a bit of bengal in him... He does have some spots
on his back

Chris wrote:

  
  
  
  
  I brought in
two kittens (6 weeks  3
months) after I found my Tucson. My oldest
cat was about 1  years old when Tucson came. All
four cats
lived together for 4+ years before I discovered Tucson was pos.
Theyve
all consistently tested neg; I now get them vaccinated though I hadnt
before. I figure if they havent all come up pos by now, its awfully
hard to catch it! Theyve eaten out of the same dishes,
use the same boxes, groom each other, have their little spats with the
usual
scratches, bumps and bruises 
  
  
  Chris
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  -Original
Message-
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of catatonya
  Sent: Wednesday, April
26, 2006
12:33 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: mixing
  
  
  a
year. but I got my positive unknowingly and
both she and another kitten of 3-4 months were basically like
littermates..
  
  
  t
  
  carrie
chance
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
adults,
what age do you consider an adult ..


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:39
PM
Subject: Re: mixing


I say mix, no need to vaccinate healthy adult cats. The FELV
vaccine is 
MORE apt to
 CAUSE vaccine associated sarcoma (cancer) than it is to improve
immunity 
 against FELV
 in adult cats. In other words, there are more BAD things against
the 
 VACCINE than
 there are bad things against mixing adult cats with FELV+ cats.

 And yes, I can back that up with facts if needed.

 That is, of course, MY personal advise, and it will vary between
members 
 here.

 Jenn
 http://ucat.us
 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:
 http://ucat.us/adopt.html
 PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:
 Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone
wrapped 
 wire around
 his neck to strangle him,
 Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to
Vermont to 
 find him a
 good home!
 http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html
 DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a
digital 
 camera (for
 pictures), and more towels!



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Re: Alpha interferon for Hannibal?? for URIs

2006-04-28 Thread Tad Burnett

If I understand right.
Interferon is a booster for the part of the natural immune system that
fights yirouses..which URI is So it will probably work well...
The side effect is that the body may become dependent on the
interferon to maintain normal strength...
That's why the usually do a week on and a week off to prevent
the dependency
Thus the question... when to use or when to save it for when its
really needed
My vet was one that wanted to save it but then we learned that
FeLV+ cats can go from not acting quit normal to crashed in
such a short time that I now have it in my house and his blessing
at using it when ever I feel its necessary
It almost always quality life.. Sometimes for only a few days
and others much longer...
Tad

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


Has anyone used Interferon for URIs treatment for your kitties?
My Hannibal is on penicillin but still has yellow colored discharge
sometimes, and remember people on the list using interferon for URIs -
could tell me more about it?  What are the potential side effect?













 






Re: Heart Murmurs

2006-05-01 Thread Tad Burnett
I think it was Callie Cat that had a murmur when she was 1st brought in 
in Tenn..
When she got here 3 weeks later my vet couldn't hear a murmur with her 
but did
hear one in Winky who was also very anemic and died in his sleep a few 
weeks later...
When Callie crashed in just a few hours time I got her to the vet early 
in the morning

and the 1st thing he said was she has a bad heart murmur
When he drew blood he had a hard time because her supply of blood was 
very low..

Blood test showed no kidney function...

I am wondering if the murmur can be related to the condition of the blood...
Did the vet do a blood test???.. Can it be an early warning of failure ???
Is the 3rd eye lid showing more than usual... I read somewhere that that 
is an
indicator of low blood count and I think all of mine that have passed 
that has

been an early indicator

I wonder if a blood transfusion at an early stage would buy more quality 
life

if done before a crash that must do damage to other internal organs...
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Sandy, did your vet tell you what grade the heart murmur is?

The Sphynx rescue list I am also on gets on the topic of heart murmurs 
periodically
(I suppose it's a risk of the breed), most of the cats on that list with 
murmurs are
doing really good though. You hear more about bad heart problems in Maine Coon 
cats,
but you said your cat is a little black kitty (I assume short haired), so it's
probably not due to heredity (though there is a slight hereditary risk in 
American
and British Shorthairs). There are medications they can prescribe for it if it 
is a
severe enough murmur. I don't think there's anything different about a murmur 
in a
FELV+ cat than in a negative cat.

Here are a few good websites on heart murmurs in cats (and things to watch out 
for,
and some resources for finding a specialist or cardiac veterinary program):
http://dsl.org/hcm/
http://www.holisticat.com/hcm.html
http://www.portlandvetspecialists.com/library/heartdisease4.html
http://www.sphynxbc.org/cardo.htm
http://old.bsava.com/vcs/testing/menu.htm
http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/cardio/


Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:
Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire 
around
his neck to strangle him,
Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find 
him a
good home!
http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html
DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera 
(for
pictures), and more towels!



 






Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread Tad Burnett
Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to 
get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't 
think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted 
if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria








 






Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

2006-05-11 Thread Tad Burnett

And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which
would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home
thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time..
Tad

Nina wrote:

Good suggestion Tad!  Depending on how much time you have you can also 
start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. 
Nina


Tad Burnett wrote:

Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out 
to get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't 
think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted 
if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad












Re: URGENT-Bert needs HELP!!

2006-05-12 Thread Tad Burnett




I bet Switters would like a young boy.. Switters is almost a year old
and super active...
Don't let him be euthanized... If no one else will take him and he can
get to Vermont
we can make space here...
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Will find out location soon.
This was a forward from another rescue group.
  Can anyone help this kitty?
  
  From: Becky McCaffery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 09,
2006 2:48 PM
  To: Susan Linker; Sarkosi,Diana A; Pet Protectors
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: URGENT-Bert
needs HELP!!
  
  
  Bert is a very sweet FeLV+ kitty who
is almost a year old. He is scheduled to be euthanized soon-he needs
help ASAP!! He has been looking for a home since he was two months
old. Here is his story:
  
  PLEASE HELP BERT!!! HE IS IN DIRE
STRAITS!! Bert is a very sweet, friendly little guy who has tested
positive for feline leukemia. Cats with leukemia can still have a good
life, and we hope that this will be the case for poor little Bert. He
currently appears to be in very good health. He is very playful and
affectionate, and is DESPERATELY seeking a home. Bert has been fully
vaccinated and neutered. If you would like to give this sweet little
boy a chance to live a good life, please send an e-mail and request an
application, or call the shelter. Don't pass him by and think that
someone ELSE will surely adopt him-LET IT BE YOU Bert was adopted
last year along with his FeLV+ friend Jill by a woman who turned out to
be bi-polar, and he was returned to the shelter. His best friend Jill
was soon adopted out again, leaving Bert behind. Bert is scheduled to
be euthanized soon-PLEASE help him!!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Terrie Mohr-Forker
TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Owner/Driver
  Check sites for available Siameses
for adoption!
  
  http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/
  
  Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE
RESCUE Yahoo Group!
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  http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html
  
  http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html
  
Petfinder.com
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Re: URGENT-Bert needs HELP!! GOOD NEWS!!!!!

2006-05-12 Thread Tad Burnett




Yes.. This is really good news... Maybe people are starting to
realize these guys still have some good life left and the more
people come on board with this the more pressure it will put
on the medical people to come up with a cure...

I am a little sad that Bert isn't coming here but it sounds like
he found a really good home and I don't really need another...
Tad

Pam Norman wrote:

  
  
  
  Oh my goodness, this is so totally wonderful!
Made my day too!
  
  Pam
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To:
Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent:
Friday, May 12, 2006 3:59 PM
Subject:
Re: URGENT-Bert needs HELP!! GOOD NEWS!




Oh moI wanted to
let you Bert has a home!!
Read below!
Made my day even
thought the rest of the week was crappy!

In a message dated 5/12/2006 12:23:44 PM Pacific Daylight
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  
  Hi,
  Thank you so very much for your
help and concern. Luckily, yesterday Bert was transported out to his
forever home with a retired couple in MA looking for a friend for their
other FeLV+ kitty. Lucky Bert!!
  Becky, Hidden Treasures
  
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
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To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:
Friday, May 12, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject:
Re: URGENT-Bert needs HELP!!




I
have a taker if someone can contact Tad directly regarding Bert!


  






 
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TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Owner/Driver
Check sites for available Siameses
for adoption!

http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE
RESCUE Yahoo Group!
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