Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control
I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK, and I get it from amazon. It is one of the least toxic flea treatments available, and that's why I use it. It's a creamy substance that you mix in their food. I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems. I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness. I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat. Be sure to change bedding daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy. You could also look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort to work though. Good luck...Tracey On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com wrote: I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I have been so aggressive. Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months old and healthy considering. *-- Have YOU Heard About It Yet??? www.JonahsPlace.org http://www.JonahsPlace.org* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
I would suggest some probiotics...sounds like gut flora is off. Your vet may carry it...it's called Probiocin...comes in a gel/paste form in a syringe that cats like. Really helps with diarrhea. Also, a complete and balanced raw food diet will do the trick also. Yogurt really doesn't have that much probiotics in it, but if that's all you have, I'd try it. If the diarrhea persists, I'd get her to the vet...she may needs sub-q fluids to rehydrate her. Tracey On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
Hello Maryam and Carrie, I don't post much, but I feel I have to respond to your raw food comments. Without question, I believe a complete and balanced raw food diet is the most important thing you can give your cat. Some people just cannot be convinced of it, unfortunately. I have a 5 yr old felv+, Abbey. When I got her at 9 mos old, she was a complete mess, dying and starving, with severe diarrhea. Over the course of a month or 2, she got healthier, but still had diarrhea pretty bad. I had already started my other 3 cats on a raw diet and was also worried that the raw food may have consequences for her compromised immune system. At my wits end, I contacted Anne at catnutrition.org and she said she wouldn't hesitate to feed it to her. My regular vet also advised me to try it. I know there is a LOT of misinformation out there about raw diets. Anyway, I started her on the raw food, and ALL her problems disappeared...no more diarrhea whatsoever...amazing! I really don't think she'd be alive today without being on the raw diet. I could go on and on about the benefits of raw, but do yourself and your cat a favor and check out these websites: catnutrition.org and catinfo.org...they are awesome! They have recipes that I followed for years. I even started my own company selling this type of food. Good nutrition is the foundation of health...a good nutritionally complete raw diet is the absolute best thing you could possibly give your cat, next to love, of course! Also, no fish or grains of any kind are recommended for cats as will be explained on those 2 websites. Wishing your cats good health! Tracey On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
KG, very well said...I wholeheartedly agree! On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM, KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, For several years I have primarily fed home made raw to my horde of cats (FELV + separated) and dogs, and have never had any food related problem whatsoever. They are in wonderful condition. I do mix in some fish as a treat every week or so, but it is canned tuna, mackerel, or sardines (all in water, not oil). I carefully follow a balanced recipe with no grains, starches, veggies. I make a point of being very well read on the publicized risks but I think they are very overstated - after all, raw is what cats evolved to eat over millions of years. Their digestive systems are short and acidic. Most vets are poorly trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via the pet food industry, which makes a bundle selling biologically inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap. Of course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly healthy immune systems. As if dry food hasn't been proven to have frequent contamination with salmonella etc. No human has ever been shown to catch disease from raw food, but there are loads of cases of people getting it from commercial pet food. And that doesn't even begin to address the factors of salivary enzymes as the cat gnaws chunks of meat/bone, or the enzymes and nutrients destroyed by the disgusting rendering process, or the plastic and filth cooked in with the often rancid ingredients. Or the risk of tainted ingredients. Or the fact that cats are far less healthy overall than they were 50 years ago... just research the huge jump in diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, cancer, etc. Why do most cats now routinely die in their early teens at best, when they used to live so much longer? Why? If one believes that fresh, natural food is better for people than processed food, then why treat animals any different? I believe sick or immunocompromised animals need more nutrition, not less. They need the best quality food possible, and I think that is the food they evolved to eat. I wish I could feed whole prey, but it's unaffordable. On the other hand, homemade raw is made with far better ingredients yet costs so much less than commercial food - about 35 cents a day. Which do you trust more? Millions of years of mother nature's success, or the money-motivated pet food industry? Ok, getting off soapbox now. :) Kg On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kittens with diarrhea
Lucky cats...bless you for taking care of all of them. Needs to be more people like you! On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 12-06, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, glad to know they're better! But, as far as price goes, I can make it for about $1.30/lb which equates to 45 cents for a 5.5 oz can of 9 lives...dirt cheap for premium cat food. Anyway, I understand that with 26 cats it would be pretty hard to make that much food...how do you do it? Wow, that's a lot of cats! I rescue, and the numbers grew when homes couldn't be found. I only have 14 cats at home and I bought a large two story building and made it into a cageless shelter/sanctuary for the other cats. Most of them are FelV, or old and debilitated. BTW, I am old and debilitated too :-) I'll be 80 years old in May, but I plan to keep on with this work as long as I can! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea
Have you tried a raw diet for them? It's worked for me on many kitties. Diarrhea goes away almost instantly. I had one who had it severely also, the raw diet is the only thing that cured her. I believe it saved her life. Antibiotics can contribute to the diarrhea as you probably know. Feed them good food and they'll need no meds! Wish you luck. Catinfo.org and catnutrition.org or buy it from Felines Pride.com. Tracey On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I have two rescued kittens approx 4 months old. Both have diarrhea. I wormed them twice with Pyrantel Pamoate aka Strongid. They are also on Albon. They were checked by the vet and who found no parasites in the stool samples, but the diarrhea is still there, and very severe in the female. I understand kittens and cats can take Imodium, so I bought childrens Imodium today. Can any of you give me the dosage for kittens weighing 4 pounds? Thank you. Lorrie overwhelmed with too many cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea
Lorrie, glad to know they're better! But, as far as price goes, I can make it for about $1.30/lb which equates to 45 cents for a 5.5 oz can of 9 lives...dirt cheap for premium cat food. Anyway, I understand that with 26 cats it would be pretty hard to make that much food...how do you do it? Wow, that's a lot of cats! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: A raw diet would be good, but with 26 cats I just can't do it. Too expensive and too much work for my ancient self! The kittens are better now with Albon and Kaolin. Lorrie On 12-06, Tracey Shrout wrote: Have you tried a raw diet for them? It's worked for me on many kitties. Diarrhea goes away almost instantly. I had one who had it severely also, the raw diet is the only thing that cured her. I believe it saved her life. Antibiotics can contribute to the diarrhea as you probably know. Feed them good food and they'll need no meds! Wish you luck. Catinfo.org and [1]catnutrition.org or buy it from Felines Pride.com. Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia
Hi Lauraine, here's my advice to you...Keep your kitty as stress free as possible. Give him the best food you can afford, nothing is more important (except for love) than good nutrition. In my opinion, the best thing to feed him is a raw diet. If the ingredients are available to you, you can make your own food. Look at catnutrition.org and catinfo.org...this is the diet cats are supposed to have. I've been feeding this to my felv+ Abbey for 4 years now, and she is in amazing health. She was on the verge of death when I got her and this diet is what I whole-heartedly attribute to her excellent health. It may be daunting to make the food in the beginning, but I assure you it will be well worth your trouble. If you simply cannot source the ingredients, then give him the best grain-free food you can find...that means no kibble at all. Btw, I also give her 250mg of l-lysine/day and also give her a 1/2 capsule of Transfer factor tri-factor plus/day (for humans) added to her raw food. I saw extraordinary changes in all my 5 cats after switching to this raw diet. A good diet cures many, many ailments and keeps the immune system strong. A strong immune system will naturally keep disease at bay. I make this food for my cats as well as for many friends (I have a small cat food business), and I have seen and heard of drastic improvements in these cats' health. If your kitty is not eating, I suggest you assist feed him with some plain meat baby food (no onions/garlic) watered down, with a syringe. I wish you lots of luck. Tracey On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:06 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Can you go online to find medications? Is it possible to get things thru customs? I recently lost my Nitnoy at age 5. When I found her, she was diagnosed as FELV +. I also have 1 more who is near 8 years now, got her when she was 4. I have her on a Lysine paste whick pumps out measured doses. Name is Enisyl-F by Vetoquinol, a French company. I got this from my vet. Can you let those of us who are not familiar with grams what that comes to in ounces? Get her the best quality food you can. Can you get fresh raw meat? Otherwise, get canned or dry that does not contain corn, wheat or soy, as most of these ingredients are genetically modified and are not good for our animals or us. I am sure you will hear from more of the group. Hang in there, give her lots of love and we will keep you in our prayers. Good luck. Lauraine Venter laura...@hencon.co.mz wrote: Hi Everyone I just had the worst day of my life, my one your old stray that I save from 5 days old has just been diagnosed with Feline Leukemia and I don't know what to do he has already lost 200g in 4 days the Vet gave some vitamins but I know that is not going to make things better. I live in Mocambique and had to hear today that yes there is a vaccine available for prevent this illness but sadly not available in this country nor is any treatment at all just some vitamins to try and boost my kitty cat, I am so sad and upset and everything at once, is there anything I can do please even willing to go holistic but obviously bearing in mind where I live. Kind Regards Lauraine Venter ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
Yes, I got the same message...I clicked on the link to 're-enable' and I guess it worked...not malicious that I know of. On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl *From:* GRAS g...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org . Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIP
Vicky, I can't tell you much about the FIP, but as for the FELV, I can tell you the most important thing you can do for them is give them a good species-appropriate diet. I recommend a homemade or commercial raw diet. My felv+ (Abbey) has been on it for over 3 years and is doing remarkably well. She was dying when I got her as a stray. All her symptoms practically disappeared when I started feeding her the raw diet -- it was nothing short of amazing. I also supplement her diet with 250mg of l-lysine in her food daily, and I also give her 1/2 capsule of Transfer Factor tri-factor Plus everyday. I may be just one of the lucky ones, but I doubt it. I tribute her good health to her diet. This diet will keep their immune system functioning at its fullest. Feed it to all your cats. See catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. Low stress is also key to good health. As for the vomiting, I would almost guarantee this diet will cure that. 5 or 6 years of vomiting can wreak havoc on a cats health. You didn't mention what you were feeding them. Dry food? That may be the culprit with the vomiting. Could be he is allergic to something in the food, or if it contains grains, that could be the culprit. Cats cannot digest grains...period. That is why lots of cats vomit on a regular basis. Yes, get your negative vaccinated every year as long as he doesn't have a reaction to it. I would definitely keep him after being re-homed so many times. Just my 2 cents...Good luck with your kitties! Tracey (in Indiana) __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV vaccine
Lynda, I recently had 2 of my cats vax'd for felv...make sure the vax doesn't have an adjuvant...they are known to possibly cause a sarcoma at the injection site...The brand was Merial, and it is 'PUREVAX Recombinant Leukemia Vaccine and the VET *JET* transdermal. I have one cat who has reactions to the vax, so I am particularly careful about vaccines (he does not get the shots anymore, but the others do). Also, I have been told the vaccine takes 2 weeks to be fully effective. Tracey ** On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: My vet is out of town. Does anyone have an idea as to how long it takes for a kitten or cat to be protected against FeLV once he/she receives the vaccine? (I do realize that the vaccine is not a 100% guarantee). Thanks! Lynda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV vaccine
Just to clarify, Merial's PUREVAX Recombinant Leukemia Vaccine and the VET JET transdermal DOES NOT have an adjuvant! On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: My vet is out of town. Does anyone have an idea as to how long it takes for a kitten or cat to be protected against FeLV once he/she receives the vaccine? (I do realize that the vaccine is not a 100% guarantee). Thanks! Lynda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Abbey
Mary Lou, it's been a few days since you posted, but here's what I do for my negative with stomatitus. She is an older cat (Allie) who had it when I acquired her. The few times I've taken her to the vet, she was given an oral antibiotic (because I can't pill her at all) to help with the bacteria and a steroid shot. The antibiotic was Convenia. The steroid shot helps tremendously with their appetite. I also hate to give them any steroids, but the dr. let me know how much pain she may have been in, so I let him give it to her. I have read a possible relationship with it compromising the immune system, so I probably wouldn't give it to a + cat. Now what I do personally for her is give her Petzlife Oral Gel. It is only when I stop giving her the gel that she has problems with the stomatitus. If I stop for a while, thinking she is fine, she will suddenly stop eating and sometimes throwup a yellow or green liquid. So, I have learned to keep up with the gel, and currently I am giving it to her every night, putting a little on my finger and rubbing it on her top front teeth. I am just amazed how this stuff works! It has grapefruit seed extract in it that helps keep the bacteria down. I buy it online, just google it. It is less than $20, and lasts a long long time. This stuff also helped my felv+ kitty who had a terrible mouth when I got her. I didn't know lysine would be good for stomatitus, have doubts about that, but I have heard of the bovine lactoferrin. Actually my vet is currently looking into that for me as far as cost goes and as a last resort in case the oral gel stops working for her in the future. So please try the Petzlife, it works for Allie! Good luck, Tracey On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Mary Lou jerseydevil1...@yahoo.com wrote: Okay guys we need your help big time. Abbey is felu and fel imun positive. She has stomatitis. Had 14 teeth, roots and all removed 2 wks ago. Mouth greatly improved but not all - in the back between upper and lower still red. Not on any meds for now. She will not lick lysine. Am going to try to water down lysine and get it in her or spread pill powder and mix in food. Would mixing bovine interferon maybe help? I am frantic to help her. She does not deserve this. Cannot pill. Feeding watered down a/d or baby food or fancy feast. She has a great appetite until she hits her sore area with a piece of food. She has 10 days til she goes back to the vet. He is thinking about steriods. Any ideas of what to do? I really don't want to put her on steriods unless nothing else to do. She is the baby that was dumped by my great neighbors and they moved leaving her outside with no food or water or anywhere to sleep unless she crawled under the slab of their house. Abbey is the sweetest loving black cat. We apreciate any help you can offer. Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Good news
That is wonderful Kerry! I hope you shared the results with the lab people and the vet...and I wonder what their reaction was...could save lots of kitties in the future. Thanks for sharing with us! Tracey On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.comwrote: Dear all It's been a few years since I last posted. Background: I found this amazing, wonderful, kind, supportive, and knowledgeable group--it remains my best Internet experience--after discovering that 5 members of a feral colony of 4 kittens and 2 adults that I took in in 2003 had tested positive for a disease called feline leukemia. (1 of the adults, Momcat, was negative. I should say, we didn't know if she was really the mother--I just gave her the name as she was the only adult female in the group. I saw no reason to separate her as she'd already been exposed, plus she was the most stressed/timid of all of them.) Re-testing a few months later showed no change--5 pos, 1 neg. Within 2 years, 3 of the kittens and the positive adult succumbed to the disease, 2 on the same day. A few months later I re-tested again. This time, both remaining cats, Momcat and Mickey, tested negative. Hi-fiving all round! They're now 8 and 7, respectively. Still resolutely feral, but healthy! Fast forward to September this year when I began fostering Sally, a 5-week calico that had tested positive on both ELISA and IFA. The rescue group said they would re-test in 3 months. The lab people said: Why bother? Nothing you do is going to change the result. One of the vets at the clinic said the same thing: re-testing is pointless. The rescue group disregarded the advice and earlier this month I took her for a 2nd round of ELISA and IFA. Result: both negative! Just wanted to share--I figure we can always use good news. I will also say--and it's very much my decision, based on my personal experience with healthy adult Momcat (above), who lived alongside 5 positives but remained neg--this is the 2nd time I've fostered a pos kitten--Daisy remained positive and found a great forever home where she has a pos boyfriend too--and both times I've mixed them freely with my healthy, adult cats. As I say, my personal decision. I would not say anyone else should do the same thing. Sending good wishes to all of you who do so much and for all the kitties in your care. love and hugs and happy holidays. Kerry M., mom to Flavia, Caramel, Levi, Snoball--all of whom gave me so much in their all-too-short lives, and are now immortalized thanks to Belinda and the Candlelight Service--Mickey, Momcat, Katyis, Trixie and Tiger, and foster mom to Sally. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Hi Stacy, It seems to me you care very much about Spanky and want to do the very best for him just like I would. It also sounds like you don't trust your vets so much. I would suggest a holistic vet. I am very leery of all the conventional meds as well and tend to think they may do more harm than good, and they sometimes tend to mask the symptoms and not really cure the underlying problem. I really don't like to give antibiotics, but if I absolutely had to, I would also give them a probiotic as well to keep the good bacteria in check. Most vets carry Fortiflora that you can add to their food. I have been lucky with my felv+ kitty so far (and my other 4 neg's who range in age from 3-13), but I attribute their awesome health to their homemade raw diet which they have been on for over 2 years now...it really has changed their life and mine...I wonder what you are feeding. To me, diet is extremely important. I'm sure this advice doesn't help much right now, and I understand being hesitant to give them something that may cause yet another issue. I wish you and Spanky well. Tracey On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas
Stacy, I used to use Frontline on my 5 kitties but was always worried about the toxicity of it. I started researching and found a great list about the toxicity of flea and tick products on the NRDC (national resource defense council) website. I've always questioned the safeness of those topical treatments, and was reassured by my vets, but, come on, how can they be safe when they say YOU should not get them on YOUR skin? Anyway, I decided to go with Program. The one I buy is the kind you mix in their food. I was leery that they wouldn't eat it, but all 5 cats ate it w/no problem. It was one of the products on the list that was considered to have very low toxicity. Here's the link: http://www.greenpaws.org/_docs/GP_productlist.pdf It lists them in order of risk. I have had no problem with fleas this year, and 4 of my 5 cats go outside. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and confirm if he does have fleas or not. He eats from only stainless steel or ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause the lump under his chin. So far I've found natural flea products with neem oil, clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil, eucalyptus oil, cedar oil (combinations of these). I will ask the vet about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas. Hope to be flea free, Stacy and Spanky Message: 7 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas Message-ID: 004401cb6a14$8f137ba0$ad3a72...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All kinds of natural products. www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to spray around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can use the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas. The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the better! -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken for flea dirt. Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives against fleasthe cedar one is good. We use nematodes to spray around the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will cause severe anemia comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every month I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will deprive the cat of nutrients. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they couldn't be fleas. I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here in WI this week. Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for fleas. I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat him. He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that would be good for him now. We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection and bloodwork. I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for identification. Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
Bonnie, I have been using L-Lysine for almost 2 years now with absolutely no problem. I also buy the 1 lb. container online, about $10-14 (very cheap), it's the Now brand. Just do a search for it. It's the powder form, pharmaceutical grade and I put 1/8 tsp in wet food daily (which is about 250 mg). My cat has never had a problem with this. This container lasts a very long time. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes! So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about 250 mg)? Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas? Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hello!
Marnie, Your story is similar to mine. I also had a wonderful cat put down due to my own and other people's ignorance, and the guilt will always been with me. It is such a shame that the professionals are so uneducated. But when I found Abbey, I was given options and she has given me so much joy. I have 5 now, only Abbey is positive. I mix, but do not let them share food and luckily she does not groom the others. She was kept separated from the others for nearly a year. I commend you on your dedication to these cats...you have a great story. The FELV vax does not make them positive like FIV nor does it make them carriers. Most people just vax their negatives. Some even vax the positives and claim it helps...don't know if it really does help them though. I am leary of giving Abbey any vax at all for fear it may stress her. She is a 2 1/2 year old very healthy girl with no symptoms and gets Transfer factor and L-lysine daily and also is on a strictly raw food diet. Good luck with your sanctuary... what a wonderful thing you are doing! Tracey On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.comwrote: Just wanted to introduce myself, I've been reading the board for awhile.. My history with FELV cats started out not so good. I found a beautiful gray kitty that I spent months feeding outdoors trying to coax her in. At last she rewarded me for my patience and allowed me to pick her up and bring her inside. She was very sweet and I kept her in a spare bedroom before introducing her to my other cats. I took her to the vet and she tested negative for FELV. The vet recommended to keep her in the bedroom for a few more months to make sure she was okay and I did until it was time to have her spayed. After I dropped her off, I received a phone call telling me she was FELV positive and recommending that I put her down. I was distraught and asked if I could have some time to think about it. I called everyone I knew and tried to get a crash course on FELV which wasn't easy with all the misinformation out there. And misinformation is what I got. The vet told me she wouldn't last long; that she was a danger to my other cats; and also she was a danger to my mother who has MS. That last piece of news sealed the deal. I agreed to let them put her down. I still carry the guilt of that decision, especially now that I have met and rescued Thomas O'Malley. I found him outside of work begging for food and in awful condition. I immediately took the rest of the day off and drove him to a different vet. He tested positive immediately for FELV. When the vet asked me what I wanted to do, I was surprised she gave me a choice. She expressed that of course I had a choice and that under the right conditions, FELV cats can lead long, happy lives. I was stunned, elated, filled with guilt, shocked, overwhelmed and so much more. I knew only one thing. I could not possibly live with the guilt of putting another FELV cat down. So after they treated Tom for every parasite imaginable, they loaned me a cage to keep him separated, and wished me luck. At first I kept him on my screened back porch and he accepted this gratefully. I quickly learned he was part Siamese, because he loved to talk. I tried to keep distance between us at first because I knew I had to find him another home and I didn't want to get attached. Time passed and no one wanted him. He went from the cage, to dominion over the entire porch. It got hot so he moved into my bathroom. He was claustrophobic so he got the spare bedroom. All the while my 7 other kitties (yes 7, I managed to find and fix through the years) watched him tentatively through the windows. He was lonely and desperately wanted some furry companionship. I bought him the cat sitter video. He loved it but got bored. I knew he was going to need a friend. It was then that I knew I wanted to start a shelter for FELV positive kitties. As fate would have it, 2 weeks later I was laid off from work and I was able to get started officially on the project. Helping Paws Animal Sanctuary was formed and I'm currently in the process of trying to find a location to put these animals. I have an awesome Realtor who really seems to know about the required zoning. I'm confident we will have a place very soon. When I do, I will let you all know! I know a resource like this is desperately needed. Tom still lives in my spare bedroom, but his constant whining has earned him a roommate. I had one of my other less social kids vaccinated and she moved in with him. He still isn't completely happy and it's difficult for me to refuse him anything, which is why I would like some advice from all of you. I'm still pretty confused about the vaccine. If I give the others the vaccine, will they test positive for FELV without really having it like FIV? Is it at all dangerous (I have some older and diabetic cats)? If they are vaccinated
Re: [Felvtalk] Mouth ulcer
Lisa, I have a cat who was diagnosed w/stomatitis. She had stopped eating a few different times and would cry sometimes when she ate. The vet didn't recommend a teeth cleaning because of her age. I started giving her Petzlife oral gel twice a day for at least a month -- just rubbed it on her teeth. Then I just gave it like once a day after that for about another month. That was 6 months ago, and she's had no problems whatsoever since. It also helped another one of my cats who I found as a stray who had a horrible mouth. I think it is amazing stuff! It might be worth a try for your Tommy. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net wrote: It's been challenging trying to figure out what was wrong with Tommy's mouth. A couple months back, I wrote to this group about Tommy, my FeLV+ boy, batting at his mouth. At first we thought he might have a bad tooth, but all of his teeth look okay. Yesterday, he went to see his holistic vet again because he's been losing weight. He has lost about a pound since January and I was getting concerned. It seems that he has an ulcer on the roof of his mouth. How we all missed it (his holistic vet, the dental specialist, and I) is beyond me. But at least we know it's there now. Tommy seems like he WANTS to eat, but is afraid to because it will hurt him. He walks to the food bowl, smells it, and walks away. We are waiting on blood work results to rule out kidney issues, etc. Just was wondering if anyone has any experience with such an ulcer, and any suggestions for treating it and getting him to eat. He's only 1 1/2 years old, and was doing SO very well up until January. Thank you, Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe-Jane I am sorry
Jane, thank you for all your posts. I don't post a lot, but you have a lot of information to share. I am so sorry you lost MeMe, she was beautiful. Thanks for your advice about the stomatitis, I am going to try that. Tracey On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.netwrote: She is a beauty, I am so sorry for your loss-just reading about her brings back tears and memories of our boys also-This disease is so unpredictable and horrible. She had so much love in your home and her life was cherished. I am truly sorry. Alice Flowers-Clark ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccination questions
Laurie, I do have a positive(healthy), and I do worry about my other 4 who are negative (I mix). However, I have a 12 year old who has always had a bad reaction (pain in the vax area) to the felv vax, so I will never give him another one. As for the others, they have never had such a bad reaction, but I worry about the vaccination site sarcomas. I have read that they give the felv shots as low on the leg as possible in case they have to amputate. They have all had a minimum of 2 felv vax's, and I hope and pray that will be enough for them. I worry either way. I no longer vax for rabies, as I feel it is unnecessary, and, of course, against the advice of my vet. I have had some bad experiences with shots -- one vet vaccinated an emaciated, unhealthy, starving stray cat I had just took in -- my ignorance, I know, but shouldn't SHE have known better? I think it took a toll on her. My felv+ will never receive any vaccinations. Tracey On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: I don't currently have any FeLv+ cats. I am wondering what others do about vaccinating non FeLV+ cats. Some of my cats are older (12/13) and some have health issues ( asthma, pancreatitis, allergies). I really hate to vaccinate these guys for anything (including rabies). Rabies is required but Coco has a terrible reaction every time she is vaccinated for rabies (stops eating). I know the adjuvant is the suspected caused of VAS. I know there is an adjuvant free distemper vaccine and also an inter nasal. I do not know if there is an adjuvant free rabies vaccine. I also know a smaller needle is recommended for all vaccinations to keep from injecting the skin plug into the body. I don't like to vaccinate. I know that adult cats generally do not need the panleukopenia part of the distemper series vaccination. All of mine have been regularly vaccinated for years, except Tessa (she has been here 18 months and vaccinated once for rabies and distemper). We tried the titer testing but my vet discourages that (I think for cost reasons). I do not vaccinate for FeLV anymore (I would if I had an FeLV+ cat living with my others). My vet believes the initial round of FeLV vaccinations might be sufficient for life. Would others be willing to share what you do about vaccinating? Thanks, Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on coat/clavamox
I haven't heard any of you mention the cats diets. Are they eating a good quality food? I believe that is one of the most important things to consider. Isn't clavamox an antibiotic? I know they sometimes have side effects. I don't know a whole lot about it, but probiotics would be something to consider to keep the good bacteria in check. Just an idea . . . Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Night Terrors OT
Boy, that is strange, sounds like he has been traumatized in the past. You could possibly try an anti-anxiety med or even the kitty prozac. I use buspirone for my kitty w/high anxiety. He used to be an only cat, then I continued to rescue one cat after another and now have 4 others which he finds difficult to deal with after being the one and only for so long. The buspirone has little to no side effects and doesn't make them sedentary. The only side effect I have seen in him is that he purrs ALOT more than ever. It only costs me $20 from my vet for 100 pills and they are very small. It has helped him (and me) tremendously. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Hey Tamara, I wish I could help you with a suggestion for your cat with the night terrors. My cats don't do this, but my husband does He has horrible nightmares and starts hitting and flailing in the middle of the night. I've gotten decked so many times I've finally moved into my own room. He feels terrible about this, but he can't seem to control it. I hate sleeping alone, especially in the winter when it's cold :-( Lorrie On 12-07, tamara stickler wrote: Hello all, ? This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. ? I took in?stray tabby about 3 years ago.? Had him?neutered and vetted.? He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food.? He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly?believes himself to be a dog.? He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).? But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. ? Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us.? Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH)?from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up.? Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes.? If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. ? I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.? All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.? She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. ? I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.? ? As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).? (Not to mention...I've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. ? Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? ? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting less...at the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) ? Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Crystal, have you tried a raw food for him? When I first got my positive kitty, she had uncontrollable (bloody) diarrhea, and I tried every food I could. The only thing that stopped it was a raw food consisting of chicken and bones (among other ingredients). She was on antibiotics, fortiflora, and had been wormed several times. She had been through so much up to that point and that was my last resort -- but it worked! I can't tell you how I fretted over her condition -- she was miserable until I started feeding her the raw. Feline's Pride is one of the best on the market, but expensive and you have to have it shipped. Nature's Variety is another food that I have seen in the pet stores though. It might be worth a try, this is a diet highly recommended for Irritable Bowel Disease. Good luck, my heart goes out to you. Tracey On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
Hi all, I have a positive who has a loose lower canine tooth. I have never had this problem in a cat. She is very clumsy (one bad eye) and I think she has possibly just ran into something. Anyway, her tooth is now sticking straight out. I worry that it may be getting infected, or that it may become infected when it falls out. This is the fifth day, and it still hasn't fallen out. She's acting normal and eats fine as well. Is this something I should be terribly concerned about or has anyone had this happen to your kitty??? Thanks for any advice, Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
I should have said before that I had called the vet when I first noticed it, and they said as long as she was eating that she was probably ok. I hate the thought of stressing her out to take her to the vet if it might just fall out and be ok. When I first got her (a year ago), all of her upper and lower tiny teeth were missing. She had very bad breath and gingivitis. After giving her Petzlife oral gel over a period of many months, the vet said her mouth looked very good, and her breath got much better So she's had a history of bad teeth. Thank you for the advice! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LCTI, etc.
Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, My positive kitty, Sylvia, has been largely asymptomatic for a month or two now, and has only had one bout of immune suppression since testing positive (a sore in her mouth, which was taken care of with antibiotics and went away quickly). She is positive on both the snap and IFA tests. My five-month-old kitten, Beatrice, was negative as of a month or so prior to being vaccinated. I'm feeding both kitties a mix of Wellness Indoor Health, Wellness Kitten Health and Evo; Sylvia has actually put on weight (1/2 a pound) and looks good. Bea is growing like a weed and very energetic, but has intermittent issues with diarrhea and flatulence. The vet thinks it might be that the high-quality food is too much for her system, but I'm wondering if we might need to re-test her for giardia (which she had when she came to me) and do another snap test for FLV. The vet wants to wait at least six months from the first FLV snap test before we test her again. What are your thoughts on this? I want to test her early and put her on LCTI if she's positive; if there's a chance that she's positive but can beat the virus with some medical help, I'd like to give her that chance. And if she's still dealing with giardia (after several rounds of antibiotics she shouldn't be), I'd like to get that totally cleared up. Luckily, Sylvia doesn't seem to have contracted it. Diarrhea has only been an issue for her when she's been on oral antibiotics. Also: Sylvia periodically throws up immediately after eating. It's something she's done since young kittenhood and it happens every other week or so, sometimes slightly more often, sometimes way less (she occasionally goes a month or two without it happening). Is this vomiting something I need to be concerned about? It's only right after she's eaten and doesn't seem to affect her appetite, bowel movements or behavior. These two are my first pets as an adult (I'm only 23 and a first-year graduate student); I'm doing my best to do right by them. It's a wonderful thing to have this forum to turn to when I'm feeling confused about something. The girls and I both thank you heartily in advance for your advice! All best, Anna, Sylvia and Beatrice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Devastated and Ignorant-Confused-New Diagnosis in Multiple Cat Household
Steven, how long has Sammy lived with all the others? On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:03 PM, spertus...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Steven with a long history of feline stewardship; will not say owner because who owns who is always in question! :) Sorry for a long post. I am confused and wanting to make sure I get the most efficient and best treatment possible for a recent diagnosis: I have 6 felines in my household: Rosie-12 year old female brown tabby Samauri a/k/a Sammy- 9 year old male blonde tabby Olivander- 7 year old male Maine Coon Maggie- 3 year old female blonde and white tabby Squeaky-2 year old female tuxedo Fuzzy-2 year old male long haired tuxedo and brother of Squeaky My 9 year old Samauri just diagnosed yesterday with FELV and x-rays show moderate cancer mass in his chest cavity. His comprehensive blood work shows all is normal and in range so I am confused. He eats, drinks, sleeps, plays and behaves normally as he always has, would not know he was sick at all. All other felines being tested on Monday 3/23 and Samauri is currently quarantined in 1 large bedroom and we are all not happy about this. Is the cancer which my vet says is of the lymphoma type caused by the FELV virus as a secondary disease or is it possible the cancer is in addition to the FELV positive status and the virus is not causing havoc yet? Would the blood work be normal or are we just lucky so far? Samauri has been going to the vet lately for a cronic upper respiratory infection where his eyes tear because the nasal passages were clogged. Medication clears it up as it has occurred 2-3x per year for the past several years. I am seeing a specialist on Tuesday for the cancer that shows up on the x-rays. I imagine this is what I fight and do other things to ensure his immune system stays as healthy as possible? My vet has given me liquid Immuno Support Vitamins that contains Lysine, Larch Arabinogalactan, Reishi Mushroom and Lutein. He wants the specialist to come up with a cancer fighting chemotherapy protocol. Also, I have read posts regarding separating or not separating positive and negative felines, and my vet actually is already assuming the other cats to be tested will test positive. Should he be making that assumption? I am fairly convinced right now that I could let all kitties roam the house under certain managed conditions relating to shared bowls, etc. Am I even close to being on the right track here? I have supported CRF and Cardiomyopathy felines at home in the past but this is all new to me regarding FELV status and cancer. Thank you to everyone for bearing with me God Bless all our felines! Steven New York **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] felv pos, neg and 2 alpha females
Dorlis, I agree with the cat tree suggestion. Sounds like they could all use a little more space. Cats are very territorial, and vertical space will help with that. I just made a cat perch specifically for my 11 yr. old who is having a hard time tolerating 2 younger cats. I got a free plan online, took a couple days to make it, from this website http://amby.com/cat_site/cattree.html . He wouldn't use it but the 2 others did and it kept them out of his space. I have also recently tried Rescue Remedy in his water bowl -- 4 drops -- I really can't be sure if it helped him or not, but he has seemed to be less stressed. Lots of people recommend it. Also, I just bought some feliway to try. With all that tension spraying is a huge concern. I keep my one felv+ in my bathroom where she feels very safe and secure. It is a large room and she seems very happy in there -- I don't mix (yet, still afraid too). Just find her her 'own' place -- I would be very concerned about Annie's stress. There is a very good book written by a cat behavorist concerning territorial issues and introducing cats the right way so that they have a better chance of getting along. I can't remember what the name of it is, but my library had it and I think her last name was Johnson --very good book! She has written 2 books on cat behavior. I have had cats all my life and learned a lot from it. I can really relate to your problems. As for the litter box, i would get a high walled litter box, and of course, clean often. I use feline pine cat litter (pellets) and I just love it! The pellets turn to sawdust when they get wet and the sawdust gets sifted to the bottom of the 'special' litter box -- you have to buy a specific box for this litter (online), but it saves me so much time with maintaining it. And there is NO urine odor -- to me it is amazing! Any change in litter, of course, should be done gradually. Good luck! Tracey in IN - Original Message - From: catatonya catato...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] felv pos, neg and 2 alpha females They're expensive, but high cat trees make the vulnerable cats feel more safe. I've been there. Right now we're at an almost neutral mix ugh. tonya dlg...@windstream.net wrote: i have 1 pos (Annie who is an alpha type), Homey wo is felv neg, and 2 new girls Homey 2 and Casey who are both neg. big problem is that Casey is also an alpha so Annie is now experiencing some of the bullying that she has been visiting on Homey. Homey is now #3 in pecking order and poor Homey 2 is at the bottom of the order. she is so terrified that she runs when she hears any noise and spends most of her time hidden under the bed, behind the computer desk or in some unknown hiding place i haven't found yet. i am afraid that the additional stress will hurt Annie (pos) and leave both Homeys a basket case. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS? Annie is now on the run from Casey and only feels secure on my lap. Homey only feels safe on my lap. i spend a lot of time sitting and being a security blanket. little Homey 2 doesn't feel safe anywhere. also, Casey and Homey 2 came from 1 yr in shelter where apparently boxes were not cleaned too often and Casey has developed a bad habit of kicking all soiled litter out of box and then using the box. any ideas on this subject? dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool
Kerry, I have had a little experience with the loose stools you're talking about. A few months ago I found a kitten (Abbey) who was near death who tested +. She had uncontrollable diarrhea, I mean it was everywhere and she didn't even seem to know it was coming out. Of course she had been starving and eating God knows what. But I fed her only the best food (Wellness canned) to try to get her healthy. She was wormed and was on antibiotics for 10 days initially. Gradually over the first few weeks she got better and better, but she would still 'ooze' frequently outside the litter box, and inside the box it was still extremely loose like babyfood. So I started giving her Fortiflora (recommended by the vet) for 30 days. It did help a little bit, but it was never solid like it should have been. I have 3 other cats, all -'s and I have fed them a homemade raw chicken and bones diet for the last 9 months. I was reluctant to give it to her (Abbey) because I was hoping to find her a home and it would be very unlikely that anyone else would give her that same diet, so I didn't want her system to have to get used to a different diet. Anyway, after about 6 weeks of dealing with the diarrhea, I started feeding her the raw diet. It was amazing! Within a week it was solid as can be, and she is really the picture of health. Another cat I took in a year ago (Missy), a stray starving kitten, also had diarrhea issues, but hers also had blood in it (bright red). Of course I had her stools checked and they never found anything wrong, which is terribly frustrating. You know there has to be something wrong if there is blood in it. My vets could never find anything though. She is the reason I started researching cat foods. I took me a long time to make the decision to make my own food and it also took a while to get them switched over to this new diet, but it was well worth the effort! They are so healthy! Their coats are extremely shiny and softer, their temperaments are better, they are much more active (playing more than they ever did), and my 16 lb 'fat cat' has lost a little weight. I just couldn't believe it could make such a difference. I got my recipe form catinfo.com and catnutrition.com. These are awesome websites, one is even a veterinarian. It is 'complete' if you make it right and use the right ingredients and supplements. It is not that expensive. I make 15 pounds of it at a time and freeze it. Making the food is a bit intimidating at first, but I have it down pat now. I will never feed dryfood again, or use anything but a high quality food. It does makes all the difference. Good luck! Tracey (Indiana) - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool Hi all, My FeLV foster kitten, Daisy (about 14 weeks old now) has had soft stools, and sometimes uncontrollable diarrhea, ever since she was found in the street at 3 weeks. When I began fostering her about 5 weeks ago she had been taking meds for coccidia for several weeks without improvement. I took her to my vet, who has state of the art everything, including feces-testing methods, and he found that her coccidia had cleared up (it never actually goes away) and what she had was (bad) bacterial growth. He put her on a 3-meds treatment plan that included 5 days Panacure. She has control now, but her stool is still baby food consistency. My question is---have any of you ever used an exclusive diet of broiled or raw chicken to treat a *kitten's* diarrhea/loose stool? I've used it successfully with my former adult FeLV, Snoball, but I'm worried about the effects of an incomplete (albeit temporary) diet of this kind on a kitten. I'd also welcome hearing of any other successful ways that anyone may have found in treating kittens' loose stools. Thanks! Kerry M. _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
[Felvtalk] New to group
Hello, I have to say this is a very enlightening forum. I have learned so much from you all! I found a stray 2 months ago at work who was in terrible condition, near death, starving, fleas, worms, etc. She had a 'tipped' ear and I found out later she was an Indy Feral cat who was in the TNR program. Don't know whether she was actually 'feral' though, but I doubt it because she has become quite lovable. Had her tested at a low cost clinic and was +. The vet there said her teeth didn't look so good and that was typical in feral cats. When I took her to my regular vet, he somehow neglected to even look in her mouth and he said as a + she'd live a couple months to a year, giving a very grim diagnosis. I tried not to prod at her too much at first since she was in such a delicate condition, but about a week after the vet appt, I noticed she was missing all of her tiny teeth on the top and all but one of the little ones on the bottom. I was horrified and it was then realized that my vet hadn't even looked in her mouth. After nursing her back to health, she has become very healthy except for some sneezing spells every now and then. This does worry me because sometimes mucus comes out. She had extreme uncontrollable diarrhea when I first got her, which after using fortiflora for a month helped a lot, but did not cure it completely. For the last week I have been feeding her a raw chicken diet (I have been feeding my other 3 cats this diet since February with amazing results) and her diarrhea is completely gone. So she's been in my bathroom isolated from my other cats this entire time, and she really does seem to be happy there but I hate to keep them separated. I am getting ready to take her to the vet again to have her teeth checked out because her breath is really terrible (seeing a different vet there though). I am worried about stressing her out by taking her to the vet and I know they will recommend a cleaning which will probably stress her even more, but having an unhealthy mouth would be worse on her than the experience of a cleaning. Right? I have 3 other (negative) cats, 2 are adults and one is about 1 year and 5 months (I guess you'd call her an adult, she did just have her 2nd dose of the felv vax) These 2 vets say they would absolutely NOT mix. My question to all of you who mix is: Have any of your negatives become + ?? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
